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  1. Washington Whispers, May 4, 1964

    https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP75-00149R000300180011-1.pdf

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    https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP75-00001R000400100086-9.pdf

    New York Times, March 2, 1964

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    https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP78-02820A000400040086-9.pdf

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    This tells me that as early as December of 1958, the Air Force was already working on contracts to mount cryptographic equipment in the U-3.

    If Oswald defected to the USSR in October of 1959 and revealed to them information on the U-2, he was giving them outdated technology that our country was already phasing out.

    To tell the Russians how to shoot down a plane at 70,000 feet meant nothing. It was a throwaway. Besides; the spy world being as it is, the Russians probably already knew that.

     

    Steve Thomas

     

  2. 2 hours ago, Keyvan Shahrdar said:

    Does anyone have any information on the Office of Research and Development that was started by Allen Dulles of the CIA in 1962?

    I am wanting to know if they had any type of laser pointers back then.

    Kevyan,

    According to this website:

    https://www.ethos3.com/2014/05/the-history-of-the-laser-pointer/

    "From the Desk of Einstein

    The actual inventor of the laser is debatable, but all can agree the concept originally came from Albert Einstein, who was interested in light waves but didn’t go as far as to invent it. In 1958 at Bell Labs, the first theory to produce lasers was created. A race began to invent it, with several contenders battling for the laser throne. Who won? No one knows. Honestly. In 1960, Theodore Maiman at Hughes Aircraft used a ruby as a lasing medium to create “the first laser.” However, Gordon Gould (first person to even use the word laser), patented “the first laser” in 1977."

     

    Judging from that, it's conceivable that Dulles could have been using one in 1962.

     

    Steve Thomas

  3. 15 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

    Also, in Gary Fanin's book, The Innocence of Oswald, there is an interesting anecdote from the bell captain at the Adolphus Hotel, Nicky Nichols.

     

    Jim,

    I once tried to determine if Nicky Nichols was related to Alice Nichols, Ruby's girlfriend of eleven years or so.

    I didn't get very far into that research.

     

    Steve Thomas

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    Dick Russell interviews Frank Ellsworth and John Thomas Masen.

    Village Voice. August 23, 1976 pp. 23+

    https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=KEtq3P1Vf8oC&dat=19760823&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

     

    Just as an aside, this website has the full text Village Voice issues going back to October, 1955 onwards.

    https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=KEtq3P1Vf8oC&dat=19630801&b_mode=2&hl=en

     

    Boy, does that bring back memories.

     

    Steve Thomas

  5. 11 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:

    These pages are really interesting. You just click on them to enlarge them.

    Fascinating stuff about Ruby you never read about in the Warren Commission Report.

    Nancy Perrin Rich's tale from Mark Lane's documentary interview of her concerning Ruby seems more and more credible.

    Joe,

    If you go to this collection

    https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1WyKEuHna_3CYy8JmWzUWYSLc3PmVpNK_

    and click on the Donnel Darius Whittier pdf

    Go to Page 2.

    Compare the account of John Elrod to the after-action report filed by Parolman Kenneth Anderton on December 1, 1963.

    On December 1, 1963 Richard Borchgardt (who had appeared in a lineup alongside Lee Harvey Oswald) told Patrolman Kenneth Anderton that he had information that Jack Ruby was involved in a gun running scheme involving Lawrence Miller, et.al.

    Portal to Texas History John F. Kennedy Memorial Collection

    https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth338950/?q=Anderton

    I believe that Borchgardt was Elrod's un-remembered cellmate and who named the four other men who were present in the motel with Ruby that John Elrod described.

     

    Steve Thomas

  6. On 2/15/2020 at 6:19 PM, Bill Simpich said:

    Steve,

    Yes, and I agree that someone's name is not a strong enough reed to build a definitive statement.

    With that said, note that the redacted document of 10/26/59 - 104-10181-10122 - is right in the middle of the Robert Webster file.

    This document does not describe the woman I believe was Webster's paramour as "Vera Ivanovny Ivcehnko" - it describes her as "Ivchenko, Vera, Ivanovna".

    "Vera Ivanovna" is an exact match for the wife of Bakulin.

     

    https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=16804#relPageId=2

    Bill,

     

    I did a little poking around.

    In this link you provided, "Bakulin's wife was Vera Ivanovna

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    West, James L. Merchant Moscow: Images of Russia's Vanished Bourgeoisie. Series: Princeton Legacy Library Princeton University Press, 1998.

    CHAPTER 6 Daily Life among the Morozovs

    (pp. 73-82)

    Karen Pennar

    “My grandmother, Vera Ivanovna Morozova, was born in 1900 in Moscow, the fourth child of the wealthy prerevolutionary industrialist Ivan Vikulovich Morozov and his wife, Varvara Aleksandrovna. Her youth, like that of all children born in Russia at that time, was rocked by war and revolution. But for my grandmother and her siblings—as for many of their contemporaries in the nascent merchant class—the contrasts that marked their lives as they approached adulthood were especially stark. Over a period of a few years, the Morozov children watched their privileged daily life disintegrate, and in its place an existence marked...”

    In that Webster file, there is also this:

    (JFK, April 26, 2018 release).pdf

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/104-10182-10064_%28JFK%2C_April_26%2C_2018_release%29.pdf

    Page 2

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    Compare that to:

    ROUTING AND RECORD SHEET: REPORT ON VERA IVCHENKO

    https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=16473#relPageId=3&tab=page

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    In the first document I cited, Vera Platonova is described as a married, hostess at the Hotel Ukraina, who also worked part time at the Medical Institute. Vera Plotnikova, on the other hand, was a 20 year old elevator operator who spoke poor to fair English.

     

    In the document you cited, Vera Ivchencko is described a hostess at one of the restaurants in the Hotel, who lived alone with her mother.

     

    Curiouser and curiouser.

    One question I had:

    Did the Medical Institute that Vera Platonova teach at, have any connection to Marina Oswald in her pre-Oswald days?

     

    Steve Thomas

  7. 1 hour ago, Bill Simpich said:

    There is yet another amazing aspect - which I have never revealed until now - a possible link between Bakulin and Robert Webster.

    Bakulin's wife was Vera Ivanovna.  Webster's Russian girlfriend - who sparked his defection - was Vera Ivchenko.  

    Vera Ivchenko is described by the CIA as the hot young woman that prompted Webster's defection in Oct 59.

    The question has to be asked:  Was Bakulin's wife the honey trap for Robert Webster?

    Bill,

    I think they may be two different women.

    In this link you provided,

    "Bakulin's wife was Vera Ivanovna.  Webster's Russian girlfriend - who sparked his defection - was Vera Ivchenko."  

    It says that

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    Whereas, the link you cited,

    Vera Ivchenko is described by the CIA as the hot young woman that prompted Webster's defection in Oct 59.

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    Steve Thomas

  8. 19 hours ago, Anthony Mugan said:

    Anthony,

    You wrote,

    “In the immediate aftermath of the apparent impersonation of Lee Harvey Oswald, there was a significant level of reaction by the CIA indicating a concern that there may have been a serious security breach in Mexico City.”

     

    “To date most authors have suggested that the concern was over a possible breach of security around the highly sensitive LIENVOY wiretap operations...”

     

    “Overall the documentary evidence argues that the concern was focused on a security breach in operations against the Soviets rather than Cuba...”

     

    Do you think that someone either let it slip to the Soviets, or in a casual conversation, revealed information that could only have been obtained though a wiretap, that the Soviet Embassy was being wiretapped?

     

    Steve Thomas

  9. 7 hours ago, Richard Price said:

    I'm not real familiar with military forms/paperwork, but my reading of the document says "In the event I am listed as missing or other military circumstances prevent me from transferring funds to my dependents it is my desire that" 100% of my pay each month be sent to my mother.  This to me, does not say that in the routine pay process 100% of his pay was to go to her, but if the situation arose that he was in some way incapacitated or not available to transfer the funds, he wanted her to receive his entire pay check.

    Richard,

    Thank you.

    You're right.

    Steve Thomas

  10. 2 hours ago, Anthony Mugan said:

     

    In the attached paper I argue that the nature of the CI response excludes anyone connected with the wiretap operations and also excludes any reference to Cuba and Cuban operations. The reaction was very focused on Soviet operations and appears to include agents involved in an operation targeting a GRU officer, Valentin Bakulin, as a possible defection target,

    The Mexico City Molehunt_Was Oswald part of an operation targeting Bakulin.docx 33 kB · 3 downloads

    Anthony,

    Congratulations. One can tell that you put a lot of work into this, and your conclusions are reasonable and very thought provoking.

    What, do you think,  would Bakulin have been able to offer to the U.S.?

     

    Steve Thomas

  11. 1 hour ago, Jim Hargrove said:

    As for the "just got back from Mexico" reference of the KOPY Oswald, that's my point exactly!  At least by October 4, someone must have known about the Mexico City story, don't you think?

    Jim,

    If we assume for a moment that David Joseph is right and Oswald did not go to Mexico (at least under the guise of the official story we have been give), then we have to ask, where was he?

    If he didn't go to Mexico, then he is "missing" for something like 10 days. Marina has loaded up Ruth Paine's car with all their belongings, and left New Orleans for Dallas in a station wagon. Have they cancelled their rent in New Orleans yet?  Forget about their furniture, does LHO even have a place to live?

    I need to back and research his rent situation.

    Ruth Paine told the WC that she thought Oswald had gone to either Houston or Philadelphia to look for work.

    Did Ruth or Marina ask LHO where he had been for the last 10 days? I don't remember.

    You've got Odio and Alice mixed up in there. Maybe he did go to Mexico, but just not for the reasons we have been given, and not by the route that the WC laid out.

    How and where is he eating and sleeping?

     

    Steve Thomas

  12. On 2/11/2020 at 12:24 PM, David Josephs said:

    Problem being the DoD ID has a photo of HARVEY Oswald from years later and was used to create the fake ALEX HIDELL SSS Card

     

    David,

    Do you have any idea when and where and under what conditions that passport photo was taken?

    The reason I ask is that I can't remember any other photos of Oswald where he is wearing a suit and tie.

    He was a sheet metal worker for most of his life, and a suit and tie look kind of out of place.

     

    Steve Thomas

  13. On December 21, 1963, Anna Silveira of the DRE told FBI Agent James O'connor in Miami, FL. that two meetings of the DRE had been held in Dallas, TX on October 13, 1963.

    https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=57746&search=%22bank_in+a+shopping+center+in+dallas%22#relPageId=24&tab=page

    One meeting for Spanish speaking people was held at 1:00 PM and was attended by about 70 people.

    A second meeting for English speaking people was held at 8:00 PM and was attended by about 30 people.

    General Walker was one of those.

    On the 23rd, Miss Silveira made available a list of the attendees, and how much they had contributed. Most of the contributors gave $1.00 or $5.00 (Walker gave $5), but one contributor kind of jumped out at me.

    A Peter Gifford of Gifford-Hill & Co., gave $100.00

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    The Fidelity Union Tower was a 31 story building located at the corner of Akard and Pacific in downtown Dallas.

    https://dallascityhall.com/departments/sustainabledevelopment/historicpreservation/Pages/Fidelity-Union-Life-Complex.aspx

    "The Fidelity Union Life Complex is comprised of two towers - a 21-story tower built in 1952, a garage, and a 31-story addition built in 1959-60. It  was the former headquarters for the Fidelity Union Life Insurance Company, but had multiple tenants."

    (A lot of those tenants were oil companies).

    He was topped only by a Les Baker of Fort Worth, who gave $250.00.

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    While Gifford-Hill & Co. was into concrete and gravel works, Gifford was also the Chairman of the Board for Gifford-Hill Pipe Co., a major producer of concrete pipe.

    (Can you say railroad beds and roadways?)

    I wondered what kind of concrete company occupies the 24th floor of a 31 story skyscraper.

    From the 1961 Dallas City Directory:   (I wonder who H.M. Lacy was. He or she was an officer in both companies).

    https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth806907/m1/925/zoom/?q=Gifford-Hill&resolution=2&lat=3349.5&lon=786

    Page 589

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    https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth806907/m1/167/?q=Fidelity%20Union

    Page 147

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    https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth806907/m1/61/?q=Fidelity%20Union

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    Steve Thomas

  14. 12 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

    Maybe sending Lemnitzer to command NATO was a mistake by JFK.  Given the Gladio teams under NATO controlled by the CIA/Dulles?

    Ron,

    Banishing generals to the hinterlands has never worked out, going all the way back to Marc Antony. (if not earlier).

    They have too much time on their hands and get into mischief with revenge in their hearts.

    The smartest thing Truman could have done was bring MacArthur home.

    Steve Thomas

  15. 9 hours ago, Steve Roe said:

    Steve, Oswald was trained by Dennis Ofstein to perform Photo Enlargements at JCS. The company also made commercial type posters. That’s in Ofstein’s WC testimony. 

    Steve,

    Yes. Thank you. Ofstein goes into this quite a bit.

    I had looked at Ofstein once before, but it was in connection with his background in the Army Security Agency. I hadn't really thought about the photographic aspect too much.

     

    Steve Thomas

  16. 1 hour ago, Steve Roe said:

    John, here are the letters you requested found in Oswald's Possessions. 

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    Worker Louis Weinstock letter to Oswald.png

    These letters are pretty interesting.

    Thanking Oswald for "this type of photographic work", and for the "poster-like blowups"...

    Where is Oswald getting this type of photographic work done?

    This is December, 1962 when he is living on Elsbeth and working at JCS.

    What kinds of photographs did he send them?

    I don't remember anyone at JCS mentioning this enlargement work.

    Did Ofstein?

     

    Steve Thomas

  17. On 1/18/2020 at 4:55 AM, Steve Thomas said:

    On January 29, 1964 George Bouhe is interviewed by SA Joe Abernathy.

    Oswald 201 File, Vol 25 Part 2 of 2 page 28

    https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=111186&search=YMCA#relPageId=28&tab=page

    Bouhe, in thinking back, recalled that at some time or other, possibly after Oswald left the YMCA, Oswald may have mentioned that he had obtained a room possibly on Madison Street from someone named Carlton. Bouhe checked the current Dallas Telephone Directory and noted that the Madison-Carlton Hotel was listed at 1159 North Madison, Dallas, Texas. Bouhe could furnish no further information concerning the period of Oswald's residence from October 19, 1962 to November 2, 1962.”


    WC testimony of George Bouhe March 23, 1964

    http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/bouhe.htm

    Mr. LIEBELER - Do you know where he moved when he checked out of the YMCA?
    Mr. BOUHE - At some point thereabouts he threw at me when I asked, "Where do you live now?" He gave me, if I recall correctly, a name of the Carlton boarding house on Madison Avenue, but it proved to be wrong.
    Mr. LIEBELER - Did you tell the FBI that he told you he lived at the Carlton boarding house?
    Mr. BOUHE - Yes.
    Mr. LIEBELER - The FBI checked it out and told you subsequently that he had not lived there?
    Mr. BOUHE - That's correct. The FBI men went there, and it developed that Oswald told me a lie to send me on a wild goose chase, but the name strikes me somehow; and FBI rechecked this place and said it was a bum steer.

    Mr. LIEBELER - As far as you know, the next place that Oswald lived after he moved out of the YMCA was in the Oak Cliff section of Dallas?
    Mr. BOUHE - Madison is around the corner from somewhere he ultimately lived.


    Lee Harvey Oswald went to work at Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall on October 12, 1962. On October 15th, 1962, Oswald would move from a home in Fort Worth, Texas to room 415 at the YMCA in downtown Dallas where he would live from the 15th to the 19th of October. He vacated the YMCA and aside from his employment at Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall, he was incommunicado from the 19th of October, until the 3rd of November, 1962. Through the Warren Commission testimonies of the Taylors and the de Mohrenschildts, indications are that he was living in the Oak Cliff section of Dallas. On November 3, 1962, Oswald moved his wife and child from a home in Fort Worth into Apartment# 2 at 604 Elsbeth St.

     

    He would repeat this process in 1963. On October 3, 1963 Oswald supposedly returned from Mexico and checked into room 601 of the YMCA. He would move from the YMCA to a rooming house at 1026 N. Beckley on October 15th.


    Question: How does Lee Oswald know Oak Cliff so well? How would he know about the rooming house on Carlton that he gave to George Bouhe?

     

    Steve Thomas

    Now I think I know. It was just something he pulled out of the paper.

     

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    Steve Thomas

  18. 14 hours ago, Bill Simpich said:

    My conclusion is that it is hard to believe that none of the Special Services Bureau boys (Revill and his boss Gannaway) didn't know about Oswald pre-assassination - and that military intelligence knew more about LHO than anyone else and kept it to itself as much as possible.

     

    Bill,

    Lieutenant Jack Revill testified before the Warren Commission on May 13, 1964. (Bob Carroll had already testified a month earlier – see below)

    http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/revill2.htm

     

    The questioning concerns a Report that Revill wrote out at approximately 3:30 to 3:35 on the afternoon of the 22nd concerning Lee Harvey Oswald at 605 Elsbeth St.

    This Report is CE 709 at (17H495)

    https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1134#relPageId=521&tab=page

    Mr. REVILL. That is what they gave me.
    Mr. RANKIN. You found that out?
    Mr. DULLES. This is an address he once lived at.
    Mr. RANKIN. Do you know that?
    Mr. DULLES. This is correct. I want to find out what he knows about it.

    Notice the interplay between Rankin and Dulles. Dulles seems to know about the Elsbeth St. address and he wants to know how Revill knows about it.

     

    CE 2003 located in (24H259) is the list submitted to Captain Gannaway through Jack Revill of TSBD employees.

    https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1140#relPageId=277&tab=page

    It is dated November 22, 1963. Heading that list is Harvey Lee Oswald at 605 Elsbeth. The Report submitted to Gannaway says it is coming thru Jack Revill. Page 3 of CE 2003, found on page 260, is signed by R.W. Westphal, Detective, Criminal Intelligence Section and P.M. Parks, Detective, Administrative Section. R.W. Westphal and P.M. Parks were both Detectives in the Special Service Bureau. Carroll and Taylor were also Detectives in that Bureau. W.P. Gannaway was the Captain and Revill was one of the Lieutenants.

    http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf

     

    The list was compiled by Roy Westphal, Detective, Criminal Intelligence Section and P.M. Parks, Detective, Administrative Section, and given to Jack Revill. Westphal and Parks were both Detectives in the Special Service Bureau.

    The second column has the abbreviations at the top that says, "REF. INT". at the top.

    Most of the names have NONE listed, but there are three names that have a number alongside their name. I always thought that the INT at the top of the column meant Interview, but then I remembered something. In the book, No More Silence by Larry Sneed, Westphal says that later in the evening on the 22nd, he and Parks had returned to their office at the Fairgrounds to write up their Report of their days activities. While they were there, Gannaway called them and asked them to cross-reference the list of TSBD employees against the CID's Intelligence Files. When they did, they recognized Joe Molina's name. Gannaway told them to bring the whole file downtown.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=7uT-47ysB5MC&pg=PA326&lpg=PA326&dq=Dallas+"+Roy+Westphal"&source=bl&ots=eii6yRhLo8&sig=nr0C2_dukxaBfdcQiFnDLg3ugKM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjt-9Xpi8nRAhVpwFQKHZBBDX0Q6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=Dallas " Roy Westphal"&f=false

    I realized that the "INT" at the top of the second column stands for "Intelligence", not "Interview".

     

    With Harvey Lee Oswald, living at 605 Elsbeth is listed as having NONE alongside his name, this would indicate that Oswald was not in their Intelligence files, and that that information had come from somewhere else.

     

    At the same time Westphal is preparing a Report of the names and addresses of the TSBD employees, (within 30 minutes of meeting Hosty) Revill is also writing a Report to Chief Curry on the Subject Lee Harvey Oswald 605 Elsbeth concerning meeting with James Hosty at 2:50 PM wherein Hosty tells Revill that the FBI knew that Oswald was a communist and that he was “capable of committing the assassination of President Kennedy.”

    CE 709 at (17H495)

    https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1134#relPageId=521&tab=page

     

    Why does Revill’s Report (CE 709) and the List of Employees (CE 2003) both stop at Elsbeth? There is no indication of Neely (where Oswald moved in March), or of New Orleans, or of Oswald’s return from Mexico nd subsequent move to Marsalis?

     

    It seems clear that the pipeline of information is coming through George Bouhe and the White Russian Community. Look who Lumpkin and Crichton turned to when trying to find an interpreter for Marina – Ilya Mamantov. Elsbeth was the last known address George Bouhe had for Oswald.

     

    From the WC testimony of James Hosty:

    http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/hosty.htm

     

    Mr. HOSTY. No, sir; I did not take over directly. When Agent Fain retired directly from the Bureau he had closed the case. He had a case which we call a pending inactive case on Mrs. Marina Oswald. This case I did take over. It was in what we call a pending inactive status, that is, nothing was to be done for a period of 6 months. Then at the end of the 6-month period it was then turned into a pending case and I went out and attempted to locate Mrs. Marina Oswald for the purpose of interviewing her.
    I might add that it is the practice of the FBI to interview immigrants from behind the Iron Curtain on a selective basis, and she was so selected to be one of these persons to be interviewed.
    Mr. STERN. When was this?
    Mr. HOSTY. This was March 4, 1963, when I began my inquiry as to her present whereabouts. I determined on March 4, 1963, through the Immigration and Naturalization Service records that she had moved from Fort Worth to the Dallas area. She was living on a street called Elsbeth Street in the Oak Cliff section of Dallas.

    On March 11, 1963, I made inquiry at this Elsbeth address, and determined from the landlady, I believe

    her name was Mrs. Tobias, that she had just evicted Lee and Marina Oswald from her apartment building because of their alleged fighting and his alleged drinking. They caused a disturbance and she had asked him to leave on March 3, 1963. She told me they had moved a short distance away. She didn't know where. On that same date, I was able to determine from the postal authorities that they had changed their address to 214 Neely Street, also in the Oak Cliff section of Dallas.
    On the 14th of March, I verified that Oswalds were residing at this address when I found the mailbox with the name of Lee and Marina Oswald at this address, 214 Neely Street.

    Hosty told the WC that he knew about Elsbeth as far back as March when he went there and found out that Oswald had moved to Neely. Oswald moved to Neely on March 2nd, 1963?

     

    Oswald moved on March 2nd, but Mrs. Tobias didn't ask him to leave until March 3rd.

     

    The FBI knew about Neely, but Geroge Bouhe didn’t.

    Robert Jomes told the HSCA that the 112th INTC had information about Oswald in New Orleans because of his leafletting for the FPCC down there, and the FBI knew about his arrest, but George Bouhe didn’t. He said he had “lost all communication with them”.

     

    From the WC testimony of George Bouhe:

    http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/bouhe.htm

     

     

    Mr. LIEBELER - As far as you know, the next place that Oswald lived after he moved out of the YMCA was in the Oak Cliff section of Dallas?
    Mr. BOUHE - Madison is around the corner from somewhere he ultimately lived.
    Mr. LIEBELER - He ultimately lived at 604 Elsbeth?
    Mr. BOUHE - And on my card I have a date of November the 2d, 1962, that he found this apartment and moved there, but that I heard from others because by that time I lost all communication with them; didn't talk to him; didn't ask him anything, and he didn't call me.

    Mr. LIEBELER - That would have been in November 1962, would it not, Mr. Bouhe, that he moved to the apartment you are speaking of?
    Mr. BOUHE - Yes; and I would say that is pretty good because I think the FBI agent told me they proved that, or something.

     

    On November 28, 1963 George Bouhe was interviewed by SA John Flanagan about any possible relationship between Jack Ruby and Lee Oswald.

    https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10672&relPageId=400&search=Bouhe


    In the course of the interview, Bouhe "produced a card on which he kept addresses and this card bore the notation dated November 1, 1963, 602 Elsbeth..."

    Following his residence at the YMCA, he said Oswald secured a room in the Oak Cliff area of Dallas, but he could not recall this address, nor did he have a record of it in his papers. At this point Mr. Bouhe produced a card on which he kept addresses.”

    1963 is a typo. This should be 1962

     

    Steve Thomas


     

     

  19. On 2/2/2020 at 8:39 AM, Ed LeDoux said:

    From Walt Brown's Chronology:

    October 14, 1963—time unstated, but a.m., CST— Dallas, Texas. Ruth Paine vaguely recalls driving Lee Oswald into Dallas on that date. (Testimony of Ruth Paine, 3H 32)
    Note: It is highly likely that Ruth Paine drove Lee Oswald somewhere that day, as he had arrived at the Paine residence on Saturday, October 12, fully aware that Mary Bledsoe no longer desired his presence as a roomer in her home.
    He took more than the usual personal items TO the Paine house, and had to then find new lodgings (1026 N. Beckley), deposit his things there, and return to Bledsoe's (621 N. Marsalis) and collect what remained there.
    Because his belongings were at Bledsoe's for a week, and because she had no intention of giving him a refund either way, he got no refund.
    Subsequent testimony by Ruth Paine is more clear on the event— she recalled driving Lee Oswald into Dallas on a day when she took her typewriter— with Cyrillic [Russian alphabet] keys, into town to get it repaired.
    She found the repair tag and the checks she write to the Weaver Office Machines Co. "when we went to pick up the machine" on October 18, so her recollection is clear that she drove Lee Oswald into Dallas on Monday the fourteenth— the beginning of a week in which he would find new living quarters and new employment. (Deposition of Ruth Paine, 9H 428) 
     

    ROKC additions:

    October 14 1963 was a very busy day for the suburban Quaker charity lady Ruth Paine;

    -Getting a cyrillic typewriter repaired

    -Giving Lee a lift to Dallas near as she could to Texas Employment Commission (TEC)

    -Having coffee with the neighbors and organizing a job for Lee without even knowing if he got one for himself that day thru the TEC

    -Writing a letter full of praise for Lee to her mother., But not enough praise to drive Lee the 10 miles between a job interview at a lumberyard and Oak Cliff where he has to wander about looking to spot for rent signs in yards for at least another mile in distance....carrying his clothes on a hanger, and a sea bag. 

    Busy day the 14th, unlucky too.

    Cheers, Ed

     

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