6 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

In all of the letters Oswald wrote to his mother from Russia that are found in vol. XVI of the WC Hearings and Exhibits (Exhibits 180 - 197)

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1133

all of the envelopes are addressed to Mrs. M. Oswald.

I don't see where LHO ever addressed his mother as Marguerite.

Curious.

Steve Thomas

 

 

In looking at these letters, it struck me that I don't think I've ever seen any letter s from LHO to his mother from his time in the Marines.

Did Lee ever write his mother from when he was in Japan or Taiwan, or Mississippi or California?

On his September, 1959 passport application. LHO identifies Marguerite C. Oswald as his mother

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1317#relPageId=108&tab=page

page 78.

How can he forget her name 4 months later in 1960?

Just as an aside, in looking at this 1959 passport application, did somebody mess up his birth date?

Look at the line just above his picture.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1317#relPageId=108&tab=page

page 77.

Steve Thomas

14 hours ago, David Josephs said:

John and I have discussed this possibility...  he write in his book:

Robert Edward Lee Oswald (father of Lee Harvey Oswald)...
Robert lived with his parents at 3419 Canal Street until he married Margaret
Keating, on November 1, 1920, at age 24

Margaret Keating (her year of birth has also been shown as 1896 making her 24 in 1920....)    120 N Telemachus  while LEE and mom live on Exchange... FWIW

David,

It's curious.

On January 4, 1960, Lee Harvey Oswald applied for a non-citizen alien identity card. In the space for the names of relatives living abroad, he listed his mother, Margaret living at 3124 W. 5^th. St. in Fort Worth. No brother is listed. Four photographs are provided.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1135&search="Harvey_Lee+Oswald"#relPageId=425&tab=page

(page 411)

On January 4, 1961 he applied for an extension of his non-citizen alien identity card. In the space for the names of relatives living abroad, this space is left blank. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1135&search="Harvey_Lee+Oswald"#relPageId=430&tab=page

Page 416

This ID card was extended to January 4, 1962.

On January 4, 1962 Lee Harvey Oswald applied for an an extension for his non-citizen alien identity card. As part of his application he listed his mother as Margaret and his brother as Robert.

“Margaret's” address is listed as P.O. Box 982 Vernon.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1135&search="Harvey_Lee+Oswald"#relPageId=434&tab=page

(page 420)

This identity card was granted an extension until July 2, 1962.

In all of the letters Oswald wrote to his mother from Russia that are found in vol. XVI of the WC Hearings and Exhibits (Exhibits 180 - 197)

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1133

all of the envelopes are addressed to Mrs. M. Oswald.

I don't see where LHO ever addressed his mother as Marguerite.

Curious.

Steve Thomas

I was researching something else, and ran across this. I have no idea if it has any bearing on my original post or not. I'm just including it for curiosity's sake.

Flashback : Dallas

The Jefferson Hotel and Its “Wireless Telegraph” Rooftop Tower — 1921

by Paula Bosse

https://flashbackdallas.com/2016/07/14/the-jefferson-hotel-and-its-wireless-telegraph-rooftop-tower-1921/

<QUOTE>

This photo was taken as one of several coinciding with the formal opening of the Jefferson Hotel’s major new addition (the addition is the taller, lighter-colored half of the hotel) — it was published in the May 8, 1921 edition of The Dallas Morning News in a special Jefferson Hotel section of the paper. I guessed that the the date of the photo was later because of what looks like a radio broadcast tower on the roof. Commercial radio broadcasts were not available in Dallas until June of 1922 when WFAA went on the air (their rooftop towers looked like this). WRR — the municipal broadcasting station — was a little older, but in those early days it was used exclusively for police communication (they appear to have had an aerial on top of the City Hall by at least September of 1921, if not earlier). So what was that tower on the roof?

It took a while to find out what it was, but … turns out it was, in fact, an antenna. It was part of the “wireless telegraph” equipment owned by the Continental Radio Telegraph Co., which had a Western Union-like office in the hotel’s lobby (the company had to relocate their tower and office from the Southland Hotel, their home for a little over a year before moving to the Jefferson’s roof).

The Continental Radio Telegraph and Telephone Co. began in about 1919. It was one of the first companies in the Southwest to attempt to commercialize the nascent “wireless” technology which allowed the sending and receiving of messages via radio waves. The initial motivation for establishing this new-fangled business appears to have been the inability of those with interests in the remote Texas oilfields to communicate with their workers in areas not served by telephone and telegraph wires. The plan was to build radio towers in these areas to broadcast and receive messages. When a “radiogram” was received and transcribed, a “polite, intelligent boy” would be dispatched to deliver the message to its recipient — all for about the same price as sending a regular telegram. Not only did the company envision the ability to one day communicate with ships, trains, and airplanes that were in transit, they also hoped to develop “wireless telephone” communication.

The Continental Radio Telegraph Company was based in Dallas from at least January of 1920, but they were gone by the time the 1922 city directory was printed — gone just a few short months after planting that aerial on top of the Jefferson Hotel. They seem to have erected only four towers: in Dallas, Fort Worth, Wichita Falls, and (possibly) Breckenridge. Then, as now, technology has a way of racing ahead of somewhat limited business plans.

But at least we have a nice photograph of their rooftop tower as proof that they existed."

<ENDQUOTE>

The tower on top of City Hall

https://flashbackdallas.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/city_hall.jpg

Steve Thomas

On 11/22/2019 at 3:38 PM, Steve Thomas said:

CD 75 pp 345+

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10477&search=O'Sullivan#relPageId=347&tab=page

 

 

Steve Thomas

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I'm only passing this along because, I myself, had never heard this story before. I wonder if there is any connection to the Bolton Ford incident.

I have no idea if this story has any credence at all.

CD 75 pp 345+

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10477&search=O'Sullivan#relPageId=347&tab=page

Steve Thomas

4 minutes ago, Bart Kamp said:

Coyle's ARRB Interview July 29th 1996

Thanks to Malcolm Blunt, scans by me.

Coyle Oct 26th 1996 ARRB interview from the Black Vault.

Bart,

It's a shame Mr. Wray didn't ask Ed Coyle who he was assigned to while he was in Germany.

George Whitmeyer was in Germany in 1960 too. The odds of them knowing each other are pretty high, but it still would have been nice to know.

Steve Thomas

I once asked if the actual physical pieces of radio equipment were different from WRR. Were they operating on different frequencies?

“Army Apparently didn't tell Commission of Oswald's Alias”

Dallas Morning News March 19, 1978

in the Weisberg Collection

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/F%20Disk/FBI/FBI%20Records%20Release%2012-7-77%20News%20Accounts/Item%20069.pdf

“However, (Bill) Biggio, who was directing police intelligence communications at the Fair Park office the day of the assassination...,”

“We called down to Austin...”

"Former Dallas police Capt. W. P. Gannaway, who commanded the special service bureau in which Biggio worked, said if Army intelligence in San Antonio or Dallas "had any information pertaining to Oswald, we didn't know about it." “Don Stringfellow, a fellow police intelligence officer working with Biggio at the Fair Park office, was named as the source of information in a secret cable the night of Nov. 22 from Army intelligence in Texas to the U.S. Strike Command at MacDill Air Force Base in Florida...."

(The author of this newspaper article has it slightly wrong. The cable was actually from Washington to McDill).

Biggio and Stringfellow were both members of the Special Service Bureau under Gannaway.

Steve Thomas

15 hours ago, David Josephs said:

Mrs. CASON.... I proceeded to call the ambulance service on the hot line.

 

Mr. HUBERT. Please describe the hot line?
Mrs. CASON. The hot line is a straight line from our dispatcher office to the ambulance company which requires no dialing. You just lift it up and it rings from our office to theirs.

David,

I wonder if the hot line was WRR.

Statement by Colonel John W. Mayo, Chairman of City-County Civil Defense and Disaster Commission at the Dedication of the Emergency Operations Center at Fair Park.

http://www.civildefensemuseum.com/fallout/docs/may241961a.jpg

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/25119-old-dallas-civil-defense-emergency-operations-center/?tab=comments#comment-383820

Notice the top right hand corner. Letter also by Boise Smith WRR transmitter building.

In the Batchelor's Exhibit CE5002 https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf

Boise Smith is listed as a Deputy Chief of Police (along with Lumpkin, Stevenson and Batchelor) and as the Director of the Civil Defense and Disaster Commission. As such, he reported directly to Curry.

Colonel Boise Smith was also associated with the 4150^th Army Reserve Training School in Dallas. George Lumpkin was the Commandant.

This Statement appeared on the Civil Defense and Disaster Commission letter head co-signed by Boise Smith, WRR transmitter Building at Fair Park.

WRR was a city-owned radio station.

See the following  statement by Mayo decrying the artists being displayed at the Art Museum

http://washingtonbabylon.com/bunker-command-center-jfk-assassination-merely-worlds-interesting-basement/

"In March of 1955, Col. John W. Mayo, commander of the Dallas Metropolitan Post No. 581 of the American Legion, sent a communication to the Trustees of the Art Museum decrying many of the Museum’s policies and saying that the Post objected ‘to the Museum patronizing and supporting artists … whose political beliefs are dedicated to destroying our way of life."

In this same website, it says, " An online exhibit by the Dallas City Hall provides the following historical summary of WRR, the station-of-choice for Dallas-Fort Worth highbrows since 1964, when it switched to an all classical format. Until the departments had their own internal support, WRR supplied and maintained all radio equipment for Police, Fire, Park and Recreation, Water, Public Works, and the former Health Department. At its peak it furnished dispatching services for Dallas County, Cockrell Hill Police Department, and private ambulance services (in the days before 911). WRR discontinued these adjunct services in 1969."

Steve Thomas

2 hours ago, Chris Scally said:

Steve:

As for police channels or mechanisms that we have no record of, I would suggest not, and the only radio comms network that I know of (but have no transcripts or recordings from) is a Secret Service one between the vehicles in the motorcade. Nobody to my knowledge has ever found a recording or transcript of it, and I suspect that it no longer exists in any form.

Chris.

   

Chris,

There is the one operating out of the Fair Park office.

Steve Thomas

1 hour ago, Chris Scally said:

Hi Steve:

"Station 5" was the Sheriff's Office - you will note in a complete Channel 2 recording or transcript that immediately before the DPD Dispatcher said "Station 5 will be notified", Sheriff Decker (call sign "Dallas 1") had asked the Dispatcher to "Advise my department to have all men available back there".

 

Finally, it is probable / likely that a DPD Dispatcher's office telephone operator would have made the emergency call on a dedicated line to Parkland, asking them to stand-by for an emergency involving the President.

Hope this helps.

Chris.

 

Chris and Mark,

You could be entirely right in that Station 5 could be referring to the Dallas County Sheriff's office. I haven't gone back and researched Dallas, TX radio call signs and codes to see if that designation appears anywhere else besides these particular dispatch tapes.

In my initial post, I wrote, " There are broadcasts being made on a police channel, or mechanism that are missing from the record we have."

I 'd draw your attention to CE 705 at (17H369) This is a copy of the Sheriff's Department dispatch tapes.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1134#relPageId=395&tab=page

And I'd ask "hot line"? What "hot line"? Our Channel 2 dispatch tapes say that Station 5 will be notified, and the Sheriff's Department reports that it has been notified, but

I don't think we have a record of the actual communications being made over a "hot line". Is there a police channel or mechanism that we don't have a record of?

Steve Thomas

4 hours ago, Joseph McBride said:

It's worth noting that Mentzel, who was part of the plot, weighs in quickly. Well before

Oswald was captured and officially identified, Mentzel

was sent with Tippit to hunt down Oswald in Mentzel's district (Tippit was out of his district).

Joe,

Just as an aside, I'm not sure how Mentzel and Courson share the same call sign. Mentzel was in the Patrol Division,  Southwest Substation, Second Platoon (in a car)

see page 10 of  Batchelor's Exhibit 5002

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf

J.W. Courson was in the Traffic Division 4:00 PM to Midnight shift  as a solo motorcyclist. His call sign was 153. (see p. 18 of Batchelor's Exhibit 5002)

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf

and Purdue Lawrence's assignments for the motorcade

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1137#relPageId=509&tab=page

Two different Divisions altogether.

I'd still like to learn what Station 5 is.

Steve Thomas

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/

12:30 PM

Channel 1 Channel 2

It never occurred to me before, but on the dispatch tapes, you never actually hear Parkland being notified. There are broadcasts being made on a police channel, or mechanism that are missing from the record we have.

Also, who, or what, is Station 5?

Steve Thomas

1 hour ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Oswald was given Identity Document P311479, a Soviet residence document for people without citizenship,

Jim,

I got to puzzling over this.

Why would the Soviets give Oswald an identity card for a person who has no citizenship, when he never renounced his American citizenship to begin with?

There's a couple of things in his late October diary entries that seem suspicious to me.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/historicdiary.htm

Oct. 28(con.) Rima notifies me that pass & registration office wishes to see me about my future. Later Rima and car pick me up and we enter the offices to find four officials waiting for me (all unknown to me)…. What papers do you have to show who and what you are? I give them my discharge papers from the Marine Corps.

Why his Marine discharge papers? Didn't Marguerite say that Oswald had his birth certificate with him?

Three days later, he goes to the American embassy and takes his passport with him. Why didn't he take his passport with him when told that the Russian passport office wanted to see him? He only took it when he went to see the Americans. Why?
 

Oct. 31. I make my decision. Getting passport at 12:00, I meet and talk with Rima for a few minutes…. At 12:30, I arrive American Embassy. I take out my American passport and lay it in the desk, "I have come to dissolve my American citizenship…. I tell him I have decided to take Soviet citizenship and would like to legally dissolve my U.S. citizenship…. Snyder ...and says the dissolution papers are a long time in preparing. (In other words refuses to allow me at that time to dissolve U.S. citizenship.)... "I wish to dissolve U.S. citizenship." Not today, he says in effect.

 I leave Embassy, elated at this showdown. Returning to my hotel, I feel now my energies are not spent in vain. I'm sure Russians will accept me after this sign of my faith in them.

If Oswald was talking to American officials in the American Embassy, how would he know that the Soviets knew he had "made a sign of faith in them"?

Did Oswald know that the Embassy was bugged?

Steve Thomas

9 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

  I remembered seeing Le May in Mal Hyman's Burying the Lead....  He also notes Le Mays friendships with... Harold Dry Hole Byrd Government aviation contractor through LTV... "

Ron,

Does Hyman, or you, know of any specific contacts or friendships LeMay had with Harold Byrd, or work between LeMay and LTV?

Thanks,

Steve Thomas

2 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:

Regards the gun running story as reported by Ms. LaFontaine and even reported in the newspaper, we do have corroborating testimony that Jack Ruby was indeed involved in this.

Joe,

On December 1, 1963 Richard Borchgardt (who had appeared in a lineup alongside Lee Harvey Oswald) told Patrolman Kenneth Anderton that he had information that Jack Ruby was involved in a gun running scheme involving Lawrence Miller, et.al.

DPD Archives Box 2, Folder# 6, Item# 9

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm

Also appears in Box 7, Folder# 8, Item # 10

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box7.htm

In November, 1963, Kenneth L. Anderton was a Patrolman in the Patrol Division, Second Platoon, Captained by Cecil Talbert. Partnered with John P. Adamcik.

Bachelor Exhibit 5002 page 8 of pdf file

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf

In his after-action Report, Anderton said that on November 22^nd, he was on vacation, but that after JFK was shot, Lt. Wells called him and told him to report to work. When he got there, his partner, J. P. Adamcik was “out with other detectives”.

DPD Archives Box 3, Folder# 2, Item# 1.

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box3.htm

Police Officers Adamcik (7H202), Rose (7H227) and Stovall (7H186) are unanimous in saying that Captain Fritz dispatched them to Irving at 2:30 PM. They are also unanimous in saying that when they arrived at this address at about 3:00 PM, they had to wait for 35-40 minutes for the Deputy Sheriffs to arrive since Irving was outside their jurisdiction.

Anderton also took an affidavit from James Worrell.

DPD Archives Box 3, Folder# 2, Item# 1.

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box3.htm

Anderton and Adamcik talked to Floyd Davis, the owner of the Sportsdrome Gun Range on December 2, 1963. Mr. Harold Price, who worked for Mr. Davis told Davis that Oswald had been at the gun range on November 9^th, 10^th, and 17^th.

This report is tacked on to the end of a Report by L.C. Graves.

DPD Archives Box 1, Folder# 6, Item# 22 page 2

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box1.htm

Though Anderton is listed in the Batchelor’s Exhibit 5002 as a Patrolman in the Patrol Division, his obituary said that he worked in Homicide.

Kenneth L. "Andy" Anderton

Dallas Morning News May 21, 2005.

http://obits.dallasnews.com/obituaries/dallasmorningnews/obituary.aspx?n=kenneth-l-anderton-andy&pid=3566572

ANDERTON, KENNETH "Andy" L. 72 of Eustace, TX. passed away May 29, in Tyler, TX. Grew up in the Dallas area. Worked for Ford Motor Co. for a short time. Served in the US Marine Corp. as a flight instructor. After the service he joined and retired after 23 years of service with the Dallas Police Force in the homicide department where he was involved in the investigation during the time President Kennedy was assassinated . He left homicide and joined the intelligence division and was involved in many special projects, some with the FBI. He was a Master Mason at the East Dallas #1200 Lodge. After retirement he worked at Cornerstone Granite & Marble where he coordinated the building of the playground at Scottish Rite Hospital. Survived by his wife, Deane Anderton, son, Mark Anderton, step-sons, Michael Wayne & Patrick Wayne, half brother, Phillip Anderton.

Kenneth L. Anderton wedding photo Dallas Morning News. August 8, 1952 page 11.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/11008119/kenneth-l-anderton

Steve Thomas

1 hour ago, Douglas Caddy said:

Marina Oswald Porter's Letter to the ARRB -- April 1996

 

http://www.manuscriptservice.com/DPQ/marina~1.htm?fbclid=IwAR1-xM5iRJ2vJA78e2_z2_VPo1f3Ve-09FXxuOXZFXDnqu4370zkwy0VCH8

Douglas,

In addition to the FBI reports on Whitter and Miller, (# 1 in Marina's letter), I'd like to see the trial transcripts. I don't think they have ever seen the light of day.

Steve Thomas

On 11/9/2019 at 3:43 PM, Bill Simpich said:

Thank you.  Keep the suggestions coming!

Bill.

Had Burroughs ever seen Oswald in the movies before?

Or anywhere else for that matter?

I don't think the WC asked him.

Steve Thomas

The Bunker: Command Center Of JFK Assassination Or Merely The World's Most Interesting Basement?

By David Bonner - January 9, 2018

https://washingtonbabylon.com/bunker-command-center-jfk-assassination-merely-worlds-interesting-basement/

Division of Emergency Management Digest, December, 1981. vol. 28, no. 3. p. 9.

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth902834/m2/1/high_res_d/UNT-0011-0046.pdf

"Retired U.S. Marine Col. CHARLES W. McCOY, Dallas director of Civil Defense for 14 years, passed away August 1, 1981. Burial was in Restland Memorial Park, Dallas. He was 68. Prior to his effective work in emergency management, Col. McCoy served in the U.S.Marine Corps 27 years. He was awarded the Silver Star by President Franklin D. Roosevelt for bravery under fire during World War II, and also held the Bronze Star, the Legion of Merit and the Department of Defense Medallion."

Steve Thomas

7 hours ago, B. A. Copeland said:

Hey Bill! I was wondering, as I read you insightful posts, if  this topic has any relevance (or not) to your quoted portion above:

A very excellent topic posted by Vince sometime ago.

B.A.,

In one document, Mayo is listed as the Chairman of the Commission. In another, Smith is listed as the Director of the Commission.

I got to wondering what their respective roles might have been.

Statement by Colonel John W. Mayo, Chairman of City-County Civil Defense and Disaster Commission at the Dedication of the Emergency Operations Center at Fair Park.

http://www.civildefensemuseum.com/fallout/docs/may241961a.jpg

WRR was a city-owned radio station.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/25119-old-dallas-civil-defense-emergency-operations-center/?tab=comments#comment-383820

Notice the top right hand corner. Letter also by Boise Smith WRR transmitter building.

In the Batchelor's Exhibit CE5002 https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf

Boise Smith is listed as a Deputy Chief of Police (along with Lumpkin, Stevenson and Batchelor) and as the Director of the Civil Defense and Disaster Commission. As such, he reported directly to Curry.

I ran across this statement by Mayo before the Senate Committee on Armed Services in 1960. This would have been before the Fair Park building was dedicated. I guess he should be included in the list of Colonels.

Assistance to Civil Defense by Reserves: Hearing Before a Subcommittee of ...

United States. Congress. Senate. Committee on Armed Services - 1960 - ‎Civil defense

Hearing Before a Subcommittee of the Committee on Armed Services, United ... Chairman, City-County Civil Defense and Disaster Commission, Dallas, Tex.

https://books.google.com/books?id=cmEjAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA38&lpg=PA38&dq=Dallas+City-County+Civil+Defense+and+Disaster+Commission&source=bl&ots=aKpwnwOsXd&sig=ACfU3U1DtRiJ-VVQfxisF4xMlxwrn7zFqw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjh6MKaltrlAhUDVt8KHVWCB6IQ6AEwBXoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=Dallas%20City-County%20Civil%20Defense%20and%20Disaster%20Commission&f=false

Steve Thomas

On February 12, 2017, I started a thread in the Education Forum enttitled: Revolt of the Colonels?

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/23478-revolt-of-the-colonels/

In that thread, I asked if anyone had confirmation that Lester Logue was a Colonel in the Reserves.

The closest I have come is this:

https://www.facebook.com/notes/ralph-thomas/jfk-files-who-was-lester-lloyd-logue/10156510109877350/

JFK Files: Who Was Lester Lloyd Logue?

Complied By Ralph Thomas And Jessica Shores
"LESTER LLOYD LOGUE has been a wealthly oil man in Dallas, Texas with extreme right wing views that had connections to and had likely been involved in covert military intelligence activities. He had associations with and was a good friend of George De Mohrenschildt. De Mohrenschildt admitted before he committed suicide under suspicious circumstances that he had been sent by the Dallas CIA office to babyset LEE HARVEY OSWALD before the assassination. Professional Mercenary, solider of fortune and former Army intelligence officer

LESTER LOGUE had been an army officer. Considering his background before that, he was likely Army Intelligence."

So far, I have not been able to confirm that. What I have found is that during WWII, Lester Logue was a Staff Sergeant with the 587th Engineering Squadron, 75th Air Service Group, 315th Bomb Wing.

75^th Air Service Group

http://www.315bw.org/NewChapter/28_roster_75th.pdf

Lester L. Logue Serial# 37217565 Staff Sergeant 587^th Squadron

http://www.315bw.org/75asg.html

587th Engineering Squadron: Captain William Lee Wood, Jr., 1st Lt. Frank L. Springer, 1st Lt. George 0. Terlinden, 2nd Lt. Hill W. Beasley, 2nd Lt. Andrew J. Corrigan, 2nd Lt. James E. Donnelly, 2nd Lt. James P. Duffy, 2nd Lt. George W. Kekauoha, 2nd Lt. Waldo C. Kester, Jr., 2nd Lt. Paul P. Plovanich, 2nd Lt. Richard F. Skinner, CWO. ClydeW. Doyel.”

The 75th was a Service Group, not a Combat Group.

History of the 75th Air Service Group

by Al Seeloff

http://www.315bw.org/75asg.html

The 587^th was an Engineering Squadron

This military organization had its origin in early 1944, stationed at Tinker Field, Oklahoma, in the headquarter's squadron (replacement pool) and was a small group of men under the command of Captain O'Conner. The personnel shipped into this group were unassigned and after talking to the classification personnel they were assigned to various Air Force schools: Sperry Gyro School, Clerks Schools, Mechanics School, etc., whatever the classification section thought the man would be best in doing.

"The air service engineers were trained to repair, maintain and service the B-29's, The Air Materiel Squadron had to get the material to the right place at the right time.”

"This is the authorized strength of several of the units at Northwest Field, Guam.

From Twentieth Air Force Station List for APO 182 SF (Northwest Field, Guam).
Data provided by Mark Boland.”

http://www.315bw.org/

10 officers, 1 Warrant Officer, 239 Enlisted men, 250 Total

75th Air Service Group

http://www.315bw.org/NewChapter/14_hist_75th.pdf

“Barracks were waiting for Headquarter & 581st Materiel Squadrons on the south side of the runways Service Center "G". The 587th Air Engineer SQ along with the Engineering from the three other Service Groups, were quartered on the north side of the runways Service Center "H". The Engineers lived in two men tents for a while. They went about the task of making the area livable for it was to be their home and no one knew for how long. They made paths and roads from pieces of coral and coconut trees were planted for landscape. They worked with the seabees build-ing ad strips, parking ramps, etc.”

75th Air Service Group

http://www.cbi-history.com/part_iii_asg.html#40

587th AES photos courtesy of Mr. Glenn Pendleton

Specific individuals not identified.

Lineage: 75 Air Base Group, HQ & HQ Sq redesignated 75 Service Group, HQ & HQ Sq (AG 320.2, 10 Jun 42). Activated 22 May 1944.

Stations: Greenville Service Group Training Center, Greenville, SC c. Aug- 43-unknown;Herbert Smart AAF, GA 6 Jun 44-5 Nov 44; Tinker Field, OK 7 Nov 44-4 Dec 44; Walker Field, KS 4 Dec 44-5 Apr 45; Ft. Lawton, WA 10-15 Apr 45; Shipment #4804-H, -K, -J 15 Apr 45; Northwest Field, Guam (315 Bombardment Wg, 501 Bombardment Gp) 11 May 45-Sep 45.

• Hq and Base Services Sq

• 587th Air Engineering Sq

  • Activated 22 May 1944, Robins Fld, GA per GO Hq, Warner Robins Air Service Command dated 11 May 1944

  • Moved to Herbert Smart Apt, GA 7 Sep 44

  • Moved to Tinker Fld, OK, departing 5 Nov 44, arriving 7 Nov 44. Move included Hq & Base Services Sq and 581st Material Sq

  • Moved to Walker AAF, KS 4 Dec 44

  • Moved to Fort Lawton, WA 3 Apr 45

  • Shipment #4804 departed 15 Apr 45, arriving Apra Harbor, Guam 10 May 45

So far, I haven't found anything that tells me Logue remained in the Reserves after he was discharged from the Air Force.

Steve Thomas
 

22 minutes ago, David Boylan said:

Not to distract from this great thread but it was indeed the Oct arrest. Quoting:

 

"It was at Clint Wheat's house that Hall, Howard, and "Juarito" a.k.a. Celio Castro Alba, picked up a trailer of weapons and a large supply of medical supplies to bring to Miami for anti-Castro activities.[53] According to Howard the weapons consisted of a ". 30 caliber, there was a scope weapon, [54] and there was M-1s, standard M-1 Girands an M-14, modified, strictly semi..."[55] Some of these weapons were supplied by Urquiaga Arms Company owned by Juan Urquiaga, the former top arms ordinance man for Fidel Castro. The trailer carrying these weapons was left at Lester Logue's house in Dallas on October 10, 1963. Logue, an oil geologist, was a friend of Hall's. Hall admitted that it was in Logue's office that he was offered fifty thousand dollars to assassinate JFK but he declined. He added that Lester Logue had nothing to do with the offer and left the room after the offer was made.[56]"

"Hall and William Seymour traveled from Miami the following week to retrieve the trailer of weapons and medical supplies. It was on this return trip that Hall and Seymour were arrested for drug possession — a bottle of Dexedrine. While in custody, Hall was questioned by an FBI agent whom he identified as "Hostel or something", a Military Intelligence agent, and a "CIA guy." The "CIA guy" was probably ATF Agent Frank Ellsworth who was working closely with FBI agent James Hosty and Military Intelligence agent Ed Coyle on a gun smuggling case. He claimed that the MI Agent attempted to recruit him. Hall remained in jail for two days before being released. Hall had called Dr. Robert Morris who in turn called Lester Logue.[58] Logue secured an attorney for Hall.[59]"

Hall was going to have John Thomas Masen convert these M-1s to full auto.

 

David,

hmmmmm...

Hosty, Ellsworth and Coyle.... the same three guys meeting the morning of the 22nd to discuss the Miller/Whitter case.

hmmmmm

Steve Thomas

3 hours ago, Bill Simpich said:

 

In early 1964, Revill picked up Loran Hall and Bill Seymour for running narcotics to raise money for the Minutemen - from reading the report, it doesn't even sound like they were arrested - they were probably informants.  

 

 Sneed's book has them patting themselves on the back

Bill,

Yeah, that's the thing about memoirs and oral histories... lots of back patting.

The Hall/Seymour bust actually took place in October of '63. I think that's the one that involved Lester Logue, but I've never gotten it straight in my mind if they were in Dallas twice that late fall. I think they dropped the trailer off, and then came back for it. I know the WC tried to pin the Odio incident on them - but that didn't work.

I hadn't put two and two together and connected Revill to that bust.

(slapping myself in the forehead)

Ah, duh!

Steve Thomas

7 hours ago, Bill Simpich said:

My central point is that I think FBI's John Fain, Jim Hosty and Dallas' Pat Gannaway and Jack Revill were working with the same group of Communists from Fort Worth and Dallas.  And there weren't more than a dozen of them at most.  

Two of those Communists knew about Oswald and told Hosty and Fain about him.  Gannaway and Revill must have had access to the same information.  What gave their life meaning if not hunting Communists?

Bill.

From Westphal's interview in No More Silence:

Steve Thomas

3 hours ago, Bill Simpich said:

The Dallas police claimed they had no knowledge of Lee Harvey Oswald before the assassination.   Gannaway said his intelligence unit tracked subversives and radicals, just like the FBI did, and that he had first-hand information on all of them - but he knew nothing about Oswald.  How is that possible?

As for Oswald, the FBI knew about Oswald for several years before 1963 - their sources while he was in the USSR included "Communists in Fort Worth".  It's hard to believe that these sources were not known to the Dallas police as well, and Gannaway and Butler in particular.   And how could they avoid the local and national stories about LHO?

In the small world department, it is fascinating that during the summer of 1962, Bill Lowery and other Communists in Dallas were focused on the "Penn Jones case" - apparently involving his newspaper in some way - and that the Communist Party meeting reports got turned in faithfully to Jim Hosty.Lowery.
 

Bill.

I think there was a fatal flaw in the Dallas Police Intelligence files in that they seemed to concentrate their efforts in monitoring groups as opposed to single individuals. If you weren't a member of a group, you didn't get entered into their files.

From Revill's Report to Gannaway dated February 5, 1964:

Revill’s Report to Gannaway on subversive groups in Dallas. DPD Archives Box 14, Folder# 4, Item# 52

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box13.htm

“increased its efforts in attempting to gather data concerning known extremist and subversive groups in Dallas."

From Roy Westphal’s interview with Larry Sneed in No More Silence pp 329-330:

https://books.google.com/books?id=7uT-47ysB5MC&pg=PA326&lpg=PA326&dq=Dallas+"+Roy+Westphal"&source=bl&ots=eii6yRhLo8&sig=nr0C2_dukxaBfdcQiFnDLg3ugKM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjt-9Xpi8nRAhVpwFQKHZBBDX0Q6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=Dallas " Roy Westphal"&f=false

It's not so much the emphasis on Joe Molina, it's the emphasis on the group to which he belonged.

“We didn’t keep files on the Democrats or Republicans, but we did on organizations that could cause problems”.

I think that's why Oswald didn't make it into the DPD's Criminal Intelligence Division files. He didn't belong to a group. Even with the ACLU, as per Michael Paine, (which was one of the groups Revill mentioned in his Report), he spoke at one of their meetings, but never joined it.

Steve Thomas

On 9/18/2019 at 11:20 PM, David Josephs said:

I think i’m Saying the top image proves the byp images were created, composited.... as we felt or knew all along cause the 2 identical but not, images, are mutually exclusive.  The ghost image on the left could not come from 133-C as is obvious from the above image....

 

edit... I see now that ghost image is not cut from 133-c, yet the argument remains valid...  why would the background be so rotated n the 2 images?

David,

This was not a cut and paste job.

Either:

a) the contractor who built the shed, the fence, and the support beam for the stairs was drunk and needs to be fired; or,

b) there was a major earthquake that took place under the ground at Neely St. sometime in early March, 1963.

Steve Thomas