3 hours ago, Michael Clark said:

We are seeing the DPD blaming the FBI for dropping the ball.

Michael,

 

This what Jack Revill said to the WC on May 13, 1964:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/revill2.htm

 

Representative FORD. Your first contact with Mr. Hosty was in the basement there?
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir.
Representative FORD. What did he say there?
Mr. REVILL. He come running up to me, and he said, "Jack, a Communist killed President Kennedy." I said, "What? What are you talking about?'' He said, "Lee Harvey Oswald killed President Kennedy," and at that I said, "Who is Lee Harvey Oswald?" And then he told me about him having him in their security files, and then that, "We had information that he was capable of this." By "we" I assumed he meant the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Mr. RANKIN. And the particular words about Oswald being capable of being an assassin those were told you by Agent Hosty in the elevator?
Mr. REVILL. No, sir; either just outside the elevator and as we got on. He never mentioned this again because I guess I lost my temper at him for withholding this type of information.
Mr. RANKIN. I see. Did you do anything about losing your temper, did you say anything?
Mr. REVILL. No; Jim Hosty and I are friends, and this has hurt me that I have involved Hosty into this thing, because he is a good agent, he is one of the agents there that we can work with; that has been most cooperative in the past, and I worked with him just like he is one of us.

 

Mr. RANKIN. Now, did you say anything to him about it?
Mr. REVILL Yes, sir.
Mr. RANKIN. What?
Mr. REVILL. I asked him why he had not told us this, and the best, my recollection is that he said he couldn't. Now, what he meant by that I don't know. Because in the past our relations had been such that this type of information, it surprised me they had not, if they had such information he had not brought it or hadn't made it available to us.

 

Mr. RANKIN. Now, will you tell us how you happened to make this report, Exhibit 709?

 

(CE 709 https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1134#relPageId=521&tab=page is also infamous because it shows the address of LHO as being 605 Elsbeth St. at a time – 3:00 PM on the afternoon of 11/22 - when the DPD was only supposed to have known about 2515 W. 5^th St. in Irving based on his TSBD employment records, and N.Beckley because “some officer” told Fritz about it out in the hall. Hosty knew about LHO’s Elsbeth St. address, but he hadn’t made it up to Fritz’s office yet. By 2:40 PM, Detectives had been dispatched to both Irving and N. Beckley, so how did Revill know about Elsbeth?)

Mr. REVILL. Why I made the report?
Mr. RANKIN. How did it happen that you made it?
Mr. REVILL After Mr. Hosty had related these circumstances to me, and after taking him to the third floor, I reported this incident to my captain, Captain Gannaway.
Mr. RANKIN. When was this?
Mr. REVILL Within minutes after I left Mr. Hosty at the homicide and robbery bureau.
Mr. RANKIN. What did you say to him?
Mr. REVILL. I told him what had happened, what had transpired.
Mr. RANKIN. Just describe what you said to him.
Mr. REVILL. About meeting Mr. Hosty in the basement?
Mr. RANKIN. Just tell us what you said.
Mr. REVILL. About Mr. Hosty, following Mr. Hosty in the basement, that he came up to me, and stated that a Communist had killed the President, and that a Lee Harvey Oswald, they had him in their security files, and that they knew he was in Dallas, and that he was capable, that they had information he was capable of this. To this----

Mr. RANKIN. Did he say anything to you about it?
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir; he did. He told me to put this on paper.
Mr. RANKIN. That is all he said?
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir; and to which I told him that I hated to do that because of Mr. Hosty, that he might have been stating a personal opinion. He said, "You put it on paper and give it to me and I will take it to Chief Curry," and this I did. Within 30 minutes to an hour after the thing happened.

 

This is what Revill told the HSCA in 1978:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/jfkinfo2/jfk4/hscarevl.htm

 

Mr. DODD. I would like to pursue just one other line of questioning, if I could.
You testified before the Warren Commission, is that correct?
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir.
Mr. DODD. And you stated there that .you .knew James Hosty?
Mr. REVILL. I knew him well.
Mr. DODD. Could you tell this committee, without going through an elaborate questioning process, in your own words, tell us of your encounter with James Hosty on November 22, 1963, where it occurred, and what James Hosty told you when you ran into him, approximately the time you ran into him?
Mr. REVILL. Of course, this will be based on memory. Basically, what occurred on that date, after searching the School Book Depository, finding the weapon and other evidence, I departed the Depository and returned to the Police and Courts Building accompanied by three detectives who worked in the intelligence unit. As I entered the ramp off of Main Street into the Police and Courts Building---
Mr. DODD. This is the same ramp? Mr. REVILL. The same ramp.
I was followed, or either I followed James Hosty, a member of the FBI. We both parked our cars----
Mr. DODD. You weren't following him specifically, he just happened to be coming into the building?
Mr. REVILL. He just happened to be coming into the building. We both parked our cars. He approached me, and again from memory, he commented to the effect that Lee Harvey Oswald, a Communist, had killed President Kennedy.
Mr. DODD. What time of day was this? If I told you that in your testimony in 1964 you had said it was approximately 2:30 in the afternoon, would you argue?
Mr. REVILL. I wouldn't argue. It was at a time after Oswald had been taken into custody at the Texas Theater but before his arrival at the Police and Courts Building.
Mr. DODD. Were you aware of the fact that Lee Harvey Oswald had been arrested?
Mr. REVILL. No, sir, not at that time.
Mr. DODD. Were you aware that Mr. Hosty knew that Lee Harvey Oswald had been arrested at that time?
Mr. REVILL. No, I assumed he did based on his statements to me.
Mr. DODD. You said, and I will quote, you said in 1964, I will quote your response to Mr. Rankin, just so you can refresh your memory and you can correct it if you would like, this is your testimony: "And. Mr. Hosty ran over to me and he says, Jack, as I recall these words, a Communist killed President Kennedy.
"I said, What?
"He said, Lee Oswald killed President Kennedy.
"I said, Who is Lee Oswald?
"He said, He is in our Communist file. We knew he was here in Dallas.
"At that time Hosty and I started walking off, and Detective Bryan as well as I recall, sort of stayed back and so forth."
Then he also states to you that at that time, according to your testimony in 1964, that they knew, that he knew, Jim Hosty knew, that Lee Oswald was capable of killing the President. You became upset at that?
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir.
Mr. DODD. Is that a fair---
Mr. REVILL. That is a fair"-

 

Mr. DODD. You said you wrote up a report?
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir.
Mr. DODD. Pertaining to the Hosty conversation?
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir.
Mr. DODD. You signed it that afternoon according to your testimony in 1964 and you state then, you said, "yes sir, at the time I was hoping it would never come up."
Mr. REVILL. This is true.
Mr. DODD. Would you tell this committee why you hoped it would never come up?
Mr. REVILL. Because Jim Hosty was a friend of mine and I knew that Hoover would crucify him.

Mr. DODD. Crucify him for what?
Mr. REVILL For making that statement. Whether or not it was true or not, Hosty made the statement to me and I relayed the information to my captain at the time, Pat Ganaway, shortly after our conversation, and he instructed me to reduce it to writing.
At that time I told him if I do, Jim Hosty will be crucified or penalized by the Bureau, and to that he said, "I don't care, you put it on paper." I put it on paper.

 

Steve Thomas

5 hours ago, Michael Clark said:

Paul, Would you share a link to that document?

Michael,

 

If you go this web site and scroll all the way to the bottom, you can read this memo. It's the third document listed:

http://www.prayer-man.com/fbi-ss/james-hosty/#lightbox[group]/8/

That memo caused no end of problems between the FBI and the Dallas Police Department for years to come.

 

Steve Thomas

42 minutes ago, Keyvan Shahrdar said:

Is there a list with all the members of Alpha 66 in 1963?

 

Are there pictures of Alpha 66 members in 1963?

Keyvan,

A good place to start is:

https://cuban-exile.com/

Look at their Index link.

Their Alpha-66 page is:

https://cuban-exile.com/menu2/2a66.html

 

Steve Thomas

29 minutes ago, Karl Hilliard said:

Oops!  I usually provide links    https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol16_0129b.htm

Karl,

Thank you.

Steve

Reading through Mary Ferrell’s Chronologies for the month of October, beginning from around October 8 – October 14^th. she asks “where does Oswald spend the night?”

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=40390#relPageId=77&tab=page

pp. 77-80.

 

 

Steve Thomas

On 4/11/2019 at 11:41 AM, Jim Hargrove said:

Bouhe's recollections are confirmed by Gary Taylor who told the Warren Commission that he remembered Oswald was living at the "Coz-I-Eight Apartments," 1404 North Beckley, in South Oak Cliff.134 [H&L p. 416]

Oswald moved out of 1404 North Beckley on November 3, 1962,

Jim,

 

I wouldn't hold too firm on this address of 1404.

In her Chronologies for October, 1962 (on page 78) Mary Ferrell locates the Coz-I-Eight apartments at 1306.N.Beckley.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=40390#relPageId=78&tab=page

Is it possible that Oswald (or someone posing as Oswald) who applied for PO Box 6225 on November 1, 1963 remembered the apartment complex, but transposed the numbers? He listed his home address as 3610 N. Beckley.  (This wouldn't be the first time Oswald was known to have transposed numbers).

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth337065/m1/1/

In his WC testimony, Gary Taylor himself said,

Gary Taylor's WC testimony at 2:00 PM March 25, 1964

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/taylor1.htm

" gave that information to Agent Yelchek of the FBI. I don't know what he----
Mr. JENNER. What location was that?
Mr. TAYLOR. I gave him the exact street address---but it seems to me like it was---well, the name of the apartment building was the Coz-I-Eight [spelling] C-o-z---I---E-i-g-h-t--apartments, and I thing (sic)  they were located at 1404 North Beckley. But the address I could be off on; but the name I do remember."

 

Steve Thomas

 

 

2 hours ago, Karl Hilliard said:

 I had run across this document which had made it's way into the archives...

Notice that the letter was addressed to 'Esteemed citizen Harvey Oswald'

That the letter addresses Harvey and not Lee just might be a fluke.

Karl,

Thank you for this. Could you please provide the exact bibliographic citation where this can be found? Is it online anywhere?

Even though the letter does not use the name "Harvey Lee", I am going to add this to my running compilation of "Harvey Lee Oswald" references. (I have 30 of them so far).

I don't think the name Harvey Oswald is a fluke. I was also intrigued/excited about the designation of "Citizen Harvey"and the date of the letter, May 3, 1961.

On page 433 of CE Exhibit (CE 985), it says that “Citizen” Harvey Lee Oswald was hired as a regulator at the Minsk Radio Plant on January 13, 1960.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1135#relPageId=447&tab=page

 

Steve Thomas

 

2 hours ago, Denis Morissette said:

I'll try to find an index for the Oak Cliff Tribune. They may have done 1963 interviews with people living in the Tippit shooting and Texas Theater area.

Denis,

 

Yes. People like Aquila Clemens. People who might be willing to talk more freely.

 

Steve Thomas

On 9/7/2019 at 4:28 PM, Denis Morissette said:

I’ve just asked a friend of mine. When I’m semi-retired in 5 years, I’m counting on spending 2 or 3 months in Dallas pouring through the several archives that just a handful of us will ever have the chance to visit. 

“Denis, I believe the Oak Cliff Tribune has not been digitized. I checked with Dallas Library and they have it on microfilm. It would probably be a good source. I’m sure they covered the assassination.”

Denis,

 

I was reading the WC testimony and the FBI interview of City Manager, Elgin Crull and that's what got me started on the Oak Cliff Tribune and others.

(He didn't like the publisher of the Tribune very much).

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/crull.htm

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1136#relPageId=412&tab=page

 

and another

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Express

"The Dallas Express was a weekly newspaper published in Dallas, Texas (USA) from 1892 to 1970. It covered news of blacks in Dallas and a large portion of Texas. It called itself "The South's Oldest and Largest Negro Newspaper."

 

 

W.E. King, founding publisher of the Dallas Express

The Express publicized lynchings and incidents of violence against blacks that were not always reported in the white press..."

 

Steve Thomas

On 9/7/2019 at 9:36 AM, Jim Hargrove said:

 

It's interesting about Westbrook saying he was "possibly" the senior officer there.  I think his testimony is full of untruths, and I still think Westbrook was most likely the guy who "lost" the names of theater patrons.  After all, he gave the order to get the names.  Wouldn't he be the logical guy to receive what he ordered?

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On 9/7/2019 at 5:34 AM, Jim Hargrove said:

 

Isn’t it amazing that the official DPD Homicide Report for J.D. Tippit indicates that “Suspect was later arrested in the balcony of the Texas Theater at 231 W. Jefferson.”

 

Jim,

 

It's kind of interesting. Lots of people say that Westbrook was in charge at the Theater, but that's not what Westbrook himself said.

" Mr. BALL. Were you the senior officer there?
Mr. WESTBROOK. Possibly--I don't think there was another captain there. There was a lieutenant and then I ordered all of them to be sure and take the names of everyone in the theatre at that time."

 

We know that Captain, C.E. Talbert was on the scene out back, and I noticed that it is Talbert who is listed on this Homicide Report.

Historically, I wish more attention had been paid to what was going on "behind the scenes".

 

Steve Thomas

2 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

according to Steve Thomas, the list of license plates on cars parked next to the theater also disappeared

Jim,

 

This goes back so many years I almost hate to mention it, but I have a vague memory of somebody in the Dallas Police Department who testified about taking down the names of people in the parking lot and either in his after-action report, or in his testimony, reported turning those names over to Sergeant Howard.

E.B. Howard was a Sergeant in the Traffic Division/Traffic Control.

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf

page 15 of the pdf file.

At 12:37 PM Howard radioed in and asked Captain Perdue Lawrence if he wanted him (Howard) to stay up on Industrial or go somewhere else.

During his WC testimony, William Barnett said that "his" Sergeant, who was  at the back of the TSBD told him run up to the front and get the name of the building. When asked who "his" Sergeant was, Barnett said Sergeant Howard even though Howard normally worked the Second Platoon shift, and Barnett worked the Third Platoon shift.

 

Steve Thomas

Defunct newspapers of the Dallas–Fort Worth metroplex

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Defunct_newspapers_of_the_Dallas%E2%80%93Fort_Worth_metroplex

 

I have often thought that there might be a rich source of information in the pages of Dallas newspapers that went out of business. In particular, stories that might have appeared in African American newspapers. I remember seeing a photograph - I think it might have been one of Croft's photos, of the people lining the Elm St. extension, and thinking, ""I wonder what stories those people had to tell that never made it into the "main street media"".

Look at the entry for the Dallas Express to see what I mean.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Express

 

The following 8 pages are in this category, out of 8 total. This list may not reflect recent changes (learn more).

A

• A.M. Journal Express

D

• Dallas Dispatch

• Dallas Express

• Dallas Herald

• Dallas Times

• Dallas Times Herald

O

• The Oak Cliff Tribune

T

• Today Newspapers

 

Back in the 1990's, or early 2000's, there was a national effort to get small local newspapers microfilmed and stored in State Library archives before the print versions crumbled into dust.

I've thought that combing these small papers would be a good project for some grad student writing a paper on the assassination, or some one writing a book or something. It would be an undertaking though. Being on microfilm, and not digitized, the papers would probably be too small to be indexed, or keyword searchable.

 

Steve Thomas

 

On 7/2/2019 at 3:46 PM, Douglas Caddy said:

Sand castle on Gulf seashore in Texas

Nero fiddled while Rome burned.

 

Steve Thomas

8 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

Steve - I know from personal experience that print media gets things mixed up. It’s not where you look for accuracy in specifics and language.

Paul,

 

In working my way through this, I think I did learn something new.

In an article in the Abilene Reporter News, November 17, 1965

https://newspaperarchive.com/abilene-reporter-news-nov-17-1965-p-61/

it reads:

“Accompanying Colonel Offer to Abilene were Colonel John F. Marshall, East Texas Sector Commander for VIII Corps and Lt. Col. Al Hagler, both of Dallas.”

“Col. Offer and Col Marshall are Regular Army Officers, while Col. Hagler is a Reservist.”

Reading that article, it appears that Col. Marshall would have been Whitmeyer’s boss.

 

Dallas Morning News 11-16-1965

Lt. Col. George L. Whitmeyer, deputy East Texas sector commander

(both newspaper articles are from the same week in November, 1965. One refers to Marshall as the Commander, and the other refers to Whitmeyer as the Deputy Commander of the VIII Corps East Texas Sector).

 

It appears from this VIII Corps Lineage that the VIII Corps was Regular Army, and not part of the Reserves:

 

Steve Thomas

2 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Steve,

It’s hard for me to believe that the commander of the VIII U.S. Army Corps at Austin would  believe Crichton's story if Crichton just pretended to be in charge of the 488th. The Dallas Morning News was and is a big daily, and I sincerely doubt they printed vanity stories made up out of thin air, at least not ones written solely by the subject. 

 

Jim,

 

It's curious. Look at this article from The Abilene Reporter for November 17, 1965.

https://newspaperarchive.com/abilene-reporter-news-nov-17-1965-p-61/

In the article, it says that Offer was Regular Army, not Reservist, yet two times in the article it refers to him as a Reserve Army officer.

It has me scratching my head.

I've wondered before how a U.S. Army Corps could be headed by a Colonel.

It seems there was a major drawdown of the U.S. Army Reserves in 1965. I've seen references to that several times in other places.

I guess Crichton's 488th was not part of the 751 units affected huh?

If Offer was Regular Army, I wonder how he felt about Crichton "...  starting up his own spy unit, the 488th Military Intelligence Detachment." as the Spartacus page puts it.

https://spartacus-educational.com/MDcrichton.htm

Do they do that in the Army very often?

(Asked not entirely tongue in cheek)

 

PS: While Legion of Merit awards were originally pretty prestigious; by 1967, they were being given out by Colonels.

 

Steve Thomas

 

3 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

The Dallas Morning News (Sunday, May 5, 1963, p. 5)  under the heading “Military Briefs” lists field training encampments for a number of units including the “488th Military Intelligence Detachment, The Pentagon, July 7-21.”

 

Jim,

There was a real 488th MID. See Thomas Cagley's 1991 Study of Military Intelligence Detachments here"

https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a233391.pdf

see Table II-2 on p. 14 of his Study (p. 21) of the pdf file.

They were one of the MID's who reported directly to the DIA.

See also the obituary of Jack E. Earnest

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/houstonchronicle/obituary.aspx?pid=160976735#sthash.mX3LJS6E.dpuf

" In June 1956, he was assigned to the 488th Strategic Intelligence Detachment until 1962, achieving the rank of Captain. This latter assignment was primarily concerned with providing intelligence on Russian and other countries' status in exploration and production of oil and natural gas for use with other intelligence units in preparing and updating National Intelligence Summaries."

[UNQUOTE]

That's the kind of work Military Intelligence Detachments did. They were highly focused and highly structured. As Cagley wrote in his Study (p.10)

I just cannot see half the Dallas Police Force zeroing in on Russian gas and oil fields and "preparing National Intelligence Summaries".

 

I personally think that Jack Crichton appropriated the name of a legitimate unit and used it for his own purposes.

 

Steve Thomas

 

25 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said:

Steve - why do you assume Texas Army Reserve refers to Texas State Guard? 

Paul,

 

You're right. I should have more correctly said, "The Texas State Guard Reserve Corps". Even though the Federal Government re-authorized the establishment of State Guards in 1955, Texas jealously and protectively held on to their Reserve Corps until 1965. It is my belief that they did not want their State guard subject to Federal call-up, as JFK did in 1961 when he nationalized the National Guards in the wake of the Berlin Wall crisis. 

https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Texas_State_Guard

"The federal legislation authorizing them expired on 25 July 1947, this was not taken lightly in some states and most notably in Texas.[citation needed] In that same year, the State Legislature authorized the Texas State Guard Reserve Corps, it was activated in January, 1948. The Reserve Corps continued in existence until ten years after the Congress had once again authorized state guards in 1955. Under statutes enacted by the 59th Legislature, the Texas State Guard Reserve Corps was abolished and Texas State Guard was again authorized and organized on 30 August 1965."

[UNQUOTE]

 

https://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/taro/tslac/30026/tsl-30026.html

Texas Adjutant General's Department:

An Inventory of Texas State Guard/Texas Defense Guard/Texas State Guard Reserve Corps Records at the Texas State Archives, 1938-1983, undated (bulk 1941-1945)

"When the Texas National Guard was demobilized in 1947, the 50th Legislature (by Senate Bill 361) created the Texas State Guard Reserve Corps (TSGRC), to provide a reservoir of military strength for use by the state in time of national or state emergency, when any part of the Texas National Guard was called into federal service. When so activated, this Texas State Guard Reserve Corps would function as the Texas State Guard (TSG). The Governor of Texas appointed a Commanding General for the Texas State Guard Reserve Corps, to be supervised by the Adjutant General of Texas. Initially the state was divided into twelve districts, each with a colonel as regimental commander.
 

In January 1958, the TSGRC was reorganized as follows: an Active Reserve, a Ready Reserve, an Inactive Reserve, an Enlisted Reserve, an Honorary Reserve, a Provost Marshal Section, and an ROTC-NDCC [Reserve Officer Training Corps-National Defense Cadet Corps] Group. As the most important component, the Active Reserve was composed of a Corps Headquarters, one Corps Radio Unit, six Defense Group Headquarters, six Defense Group Radio Units, 30 Internal Security Battalions (about half of them strictly cadre units with officer personnel only), and 12 Radio and Rescue Detachments, with a total authorized strength of 10,000 officers and enlisted men.

In 1965, the 59th Legislature, by House Bill 410, abolished the TSGRC and replaced it with the Texas State Guard; in this act the Active Militia (or State Military Forces) is defined as consisting of the Texas Army National Guard and the Texas Air National Guard (known collectively as the Texas National Guard), supplemented by the Texas State Guard."

[UNQUOTE]

 

Steve Thomas

2 hours ago, Bart Kamp said:

There is Steve.

Frazier's Arrest Report from Malcolm Blunt's files.

Bart,

 

Thanks for this. I hadn't seen this before.

Steve Thomas

 

8 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

But before posting, please read this fascinating thread at ROKC. 

http://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t559-geraldean-reid

A lot of people have it out for ROKC, but IMO, they do a lot of really good work there. It appears that Mrs. Robert Reid was one Jeraldean Reid.  Am I right on this?  How could she have seen Oswald at 12:33 when many writers and witnesses say he left the TSBD at that time?

 

Jim,

 

According to the 1940 Census, her name was Jeraldean.

She gave an affidavit to the Dallas Police on November 23, 1964. It was taken by James Leavelle. You can find it in the DPD Archives in Box 2, Folder# 2, Item# 17 here:

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm

Her FBI statement was given on March 18,1964 here:

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh22/pdf/WH22_CE_1381.pdf

page 39.

As Bob Ness pointed out:

https://billiongraves.com/grave/person/5462540

She was married to Robert Anthony

 

It's interesting. A Robert Reid gave a statement to the FBI on January 10, 1964. He was a Court Clerk in the Dallas District Clerk's Office.

 

I do not know if he was Robert Antthony, He told the FBI:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/exhibits/ce2099.htm

"ROBERT REID, Deputy Distruct Court Clerk, Dallas District Court, Clerk's Office, Records Building, advised that on November 22, 1963 he was observing the Presidential Motorcade from the window of Judge HENRY KING's court room, and followed the progress of the Presidential Motorcade from the second floor windows of the court house as it progressed down Main Street on to Houston Street and west on Elm Street from Houston Street.

Mr. Reid believes that Mrs. LILLIAN MOONEYHAM and CECIL AULT, Deputy District Court Clerks, Criminal Courts Building, as well as others not recalled, were also observing the Presidential Motorcade from Judge KING's court room window."

Lillian Mooneyham told the FBI:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/exhibits/ce2098.htm

"LILLIAN MOONEYHAM, Deputy District Court Clerk, 85th Court, Records Building, advised that she watched the Presidential Motorcade on November 22, 1963 from the windows of the court house. She, along with Mrs. ROSE CLARK and JEANETTE E. HOOKER, observed the Presidential Motorcade proceeding down Main Street from the window of Judge J. FRANK WILSON'S courtroom, overlooking Main Street. As the motorcade passed them on Main Street, MOONEYHAM, CLARK and HOOKER ran to Judge HENTY KING's courtroom window, which faces Houston Street, in time to see the motorcade turn west from Elm Street on Houston. Mrs MOONEYHAM believes that BOB REID, Deputy District Court Clerk, Dallas, Texas, was in Judge KING's courtroom watching the motorcade at te same time as was MOONEYHAM, CLARK and HOOKER."

" Mrs MOONEYHAM believes that BOB REID, Deputy District Court Clerk, Dallas, Texas, was in Judge KING's courtroom watching the motorcade at the same time as was MOONEYHAM, CLARK and HOOKER."

" Mrs. MOONEYHAM and Mrs. CLARK left Judge KING's courtroom and went to the office of Judge Julien C. Hyer on the third floor of the Records Building, where they continued to observe the happenings from Judge HYER's window."

Around 4-5 minutes after the assassination, she saw a man on the sixth floor of the TSBD.

"Mr. REID stated he observed nothing significant and at no time did he observe the windows of the TSBD building." 

 

Steve Thomas

14 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

So this brings me to Haapanen. Are you able to contact him? My guess is that he was PD Scott’s source. As Steve points out, there is little corroboration, none in military files that Steve has been able to locate. But I see that Haapanen interviewed Whitmeyer. So the details of that interview, and any others that he did, are of major interest. 

 

Paul,

I have looked for this 1970 interview between Larry Haapanen and George Whitmeyer to no avail. This is the closest I have come:

Peter Dale Scott- ‘The JFK assassination as an engineered provocation-deception plot’

November 24, 2010

By Copa

The JFK Assassination as an Engineered Provocation-Deception Plot:Some Military Parallels Between 11/22 and 9/11

Address to COPA, November 2010

Peter Dale Scott

https://archive.politicalassassinations.net/2010/11/peter-dale-scott-the-jfk-assassination-as-an-engineered-provocation-deception-plot/

 

“Researcher Larry Haapanen has discovered the 488th seems to have had its own direct chain of command linking it to Washington. In an esoteric publication entitled The Military Order of World Wars (Turner Publishing Company, 1997, p. 120), he found that Crichton “commanded the 488th MID (Strategic), reporting directly to the Army Chief of Intelligence and the Defense Intelligence Agency.”# And in 1970 Haapanen was told by Crichton’s commander in the Texas Army Reserve, Lt. Col. Whitmeyer, that Crichton’s unit did its summer training at the Pentagon.”

 

Palamara, Vince. Survivor’s Guilt. 2013 edition( Originally published in 2005).

https://books.google.com/books?id=YA4CBAAAQBAJ&pg=PT155&lpg=PT155&dq=1970+%22Larry+Haapanen%22+Whitmeyer&source=bl&ots=A7K7hl4g09&sig=ACfU3U0-53PNS8gUGlprvMty-Y0rEToRiQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjvyJGPs7nkAhVQC6wKHdPrA9YQ6AEwCnoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=1970%20%22Larry%20Haapanen%22%20Whitmeyer&f=false

 

Something that had escaped my notice up until now...

Scott identifies Whitmeyer as "Crichton’s commander in the Texas Army Reserve,..."

He didn't say, "U.S. Army Reserve. He said "Texas Army Reserve".

So, with respect to the 488th, I think we need to be looking for information in the Texas State Guard records at the Texas State Capitol in Austin.

 

Steve Thomas

 

51 minutes ago, Joseph McBride said:

In the 1964 election, George H. W. Bush lost the US Senate race in Texas

to the incumbent, Democrat Ralph Yarborough. Bush ran in concert

with Jack Crichton, who lost the gubernatorial election to the

incumbent, Democrat John Connally.

Joe,

 

Chrichton wrote a book about that campaign.

The Republican-Democrat political campaigns in Texas in 1964

Author: Jack Crichton

Publisher: [Texas] : J. Crichton, 2003.

Edition/Format:  Print book : English

Database: WorldCat

https://www.worldcat.org/search?q=au%3ACrichton%2C+Jack.&qt=hot_author

Someday, I'm going to buy that book.

 

Steve Thomas

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Steve Thomas

7 hours ago, Bill Simpich said:

I have been wondering whether Crichton's 488th Army Intelligence Reserve Unit really existed, after reviewing the above.

 

Bill,

Your post raises some interesting issues. I'd like to address two of them:

1)

Russ Baker's book, Family of Secrets, has some information on Whitmeyer. In 1956 Jack Crichton, a close friend of George W. W. Bush, started up his own spy unit, the 488th Military Intelligence Detachment. Crichton served as the unit's commander under Lieutenant Colonel George Whitmeyer, who was in overall command of all Army Reserve units in East Texas.
 

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=156778130

DPD Deputy Chief, George L. Lumpkin, drove the Pilot Car. Lumpkin was also a Captain in the 488th Military Intelligence Detachment. Lumpkin was also a Captain in the 488th Military Intelligence Detachment - the spy unit in Dallas created and led by ex-OSS, Col. Jack Crichton and was the highest ranking officer in the 488th and Col. Whitmeyer's superior.

Who was the commander, and who was the subordinate?

 

Peter Dale Scott COPA Conference 11/24/2010

http://archive.politicalassassinations.net/2010/11/peter-dale-scott-the-jfk-assassination-as-an-engineered-provocation-deception-plot/

“We have already seen that Crichton commanded the 488th; and Lumpkin, in addition to being the Deputy Police Chief, was also a deputy commander of the 488th under Crichton.”

 

John Crichton was the kind of figure Malcolm Gladwell in The Tipping Point described as a “connector….people with a special gift for bringing the world together.”# Some of his contacts are figures who should be familiar to students of the JFK assassination. His superior in the Army Reserves, Lieutenant Colonel George Whitmeyer, was on 11/22 in the pilot car of the Kennedy motorcade along with DPD Deputy Chief George Lumpkin;

 

In 1970 Haapanen was told by Crichton’s commander in the Texas Army Reserve, Lt. Col. Whitmeyer, that Crichton's unit did its summer training at the Pentagon.

 

Brandy, Our Man in Acapulco: The Life and Times of Colonel Frank M. Brandstetter. A Biography by Rodney P. Carlisle and Dominic J. Monetta. University of North Texas Press, 1999.

https://books.google.com/books?id=QLdqgDsVio4C&pg=PA122&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=3#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

pp. 127+ “after leaving Jamaica in early 1957, Brandy served as assistant troop commander and provost marshal of the Fourth U.S. Army Area Intelligence School for two weeks in August, 1957.

p. 128. “As was common for Brandy, he received a fine commendation for his work from his commanding officer, at this time, Colonel George Lumpkin....”

p. 129. (Sometime after 1958) “In particular, he met Lt. Colonel William B. Rose, chief of the Army Intelligence Reserve Branch of the Office of the Assistance Chief of Staff, Intelligence (ACSI) at the Pentagon.”

Paul Brancato posted in the Education Forum March 15, 2019:

 

“There are two books about Colonel Brandstetter, one a co-written autobiography. He states in both books that he worked for ACSI for two decades, and that in 1959 he was assigned, or permitted to join, the 488th MID for weekend duties by Colonel Rose at ACSI.”

Crichton said he established his 488^th in 1956?

If Crischton established the 488^th and was its only commander, how could Whitmeyer be his boss after 1956, and Lumpkin be Brandstetter’s (who was assigned to (or encouraged to join) the 488^th) boss in 1959?

 

2)

Which Reserve component were these people in?

U.S. Coast Guard Reserve Policy Manual (2016)

https://media.defense.gov/2017/Mar/28/2001723243/-1/-1/0/CIM_1001_28C.PDF

 

Reserve Component Categories:

• Ready Reserves

• Standby Reserves

• Retired Reserves

The three components had to do with "time in" and how much you could earn towards retirement based on length of service and pay earned during that time.

Department of Defense Uniform Reserve, Training, and Retirement Categories for the Reserve Components

INSTRUCTION

NUMBER 1215.06 March 11, 2014 Incorporating Change 1, Effective May 19, 2015

https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/DD/issuances/dodi/121506p.pdf?ver=2019-03-11-081732-937

 

“DoDI 1215.06, March 11, 2014 Change 1, 05/19/2015 2e. All RC Service members not counted in Active Component (AC) end strengths pursuant to Title 10, United States Code (U.S.C.) (Reference (d)), will be placed in one of the Reserve Component categories (RCCs) and training and retirement categories (TRCs) described in this instruction. Individuals will be assigned to RCCs and TRCs based on their obligations to meet mission and training requirements as described in Enclosure 5.”

 

Enclosure 5. p. 23

“1.GENERAL

a. This enclosure establishes authorized RCCs and TRCs in the RCs for training and accountability purposes. RCCs are categories identifying an individual’s status in a RC. There are three RCCs: The Ready Reserve, the Standby Reserve, and the Retired Reserve. Each member of the National Guard and Reserve is assigned within one of those categories. All National Guard members, including those in the inactive National Guard (ING), are in the Ready Reserve.

 

You can find Title 10 of the United States Code Subtitle E— Reserve Components here:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/subtitle-E

 

The command structure and reporting network for each of these components would have been different, and until we see some kind of paper trail for Crichton's 488th, we can't really know who was the superior and who was the subordinate and who was reporting to who and what they were actually reporting.

In his oral history, Crichton said that there were 100 men in his 488th, but I have never seen anyone (aside from Brandstetter) who ever claimed to be in it.

 

Steve Thomas

 

 

1 hour ago, Joseph Backes said:

I think Col. West was talking about the ROTC program.

Joe,

U.S. Army Training Center Yearbook (Fort Polk, LA) Class of 1962

General Staff

http://www.e-yearbook.com/yearbooks/US_Army_Training_Center_Fort_Polk_Yearbook/1962/Page_13.html

Page 13. “Harley B. West Major General, USA Commanding General M4” Major General West's military career began in 1928 when he enlisted in the Missouri National Guard. He was commissioned in the 138^th Infantry in 1929. Later, as a company commander, he was promoted to Captain. In 1940, he transferred to the 90^th Infantry Brigade staff, an Oklahoma Army National Guard unit and served with the 90^th when mobilized that year. While with the War Department General Staff in Washington, he was promoted to Colonel. In 1944, he served in the Southwest Pacific Theater of Operations on the staff of General Walter Krueger, Sixth U.S. Army Commander. He was Assistant G3 and G3 of the Sixth Army in New Guinea, the Philippines, and Japan. After WWII, he returned to civilian life in Dallas, Texas, where he joined the newly activated 49^th Armored Division. He was assigned as G3 and later as Chief of Staff. In October, 1955 he was named Assistant Division Commander and promoted to Brigadier General. On 1 July 1961 he assumed command of the 49^th.

 

 

Commanders of the 49th:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/49th_Armored_Division

Start date End date 1961-07-01 1964-03-31 MG Harley B. West He would go on to serve as the commanding officer of the Texas State Guard from 1966-1969. I just thought that with his background in training and Reed being in "personnel management", its conceivable that their paths might have crossed.   Steve Thomas