Jim,

Congratulations Jim!

Two questions:

1) Did you enjoy working with Stone?; and,

2) Was he faithful to your work?

I hope the answer is yes to both.

Steve Thomas

On 4/13/2016 at 6:52 AM, Steve Thomas said:

Raconteur. Soldier-of-Fortune. Centurion. Son of a naval petty officer, he was raised in a military boarding school. Decorated military hero. Winner of five military citations, including two combat medals. Developed a fast-attack, lighting strike force called “Matou” (Tomcat”) inserting paratroopers directly into front-line combat situations. One of, if not the, youngest Captain in the French Air Force. Led a company of 100 men, he would be known as Captain Souetre for the rest of his life. Beloved by his men, frowned on by his superiors. Was called charismatic, but naive. Nicknamed “Robin Hood” by his friends, he named his first-born son “Little John”. Arrested and tried for desertion, he married his second wife two weeks after arriving in a prison camp. His best man (or in French fashion, “Witness”) at his wedding was a 70-year old hippie General who once wrote that he would rather put flowers in the barrels of soldiers' guns than drop bombs on people, and organized a rock concert headlined by Pink Floyd. The “arch of sabers” at his military-style wedding was not crossed swords, but strands of barbed wire. In The Great Escape fashion, led an 18-man prison escape by digging a tunnel 35 meters long under the prison walls. Married three times. Had three children, and possibly a fourth born out of wedlock. High ranking member of the French OAS, at one time he was one of the two most wanted men in France. Suspect in not just one, but at least two assassination plots against national Heads of State. Target of an assassination plot himself. Amnestied in 1968, would later go on to serve in local government politics as a member of the right-wing Front National party. He died on June 15, 2001, but his Death Certificate would not be signed until June 18^th.

Interesting fellow this Jean-Rene.

Here's a copy of his death certificate. He died at 11:00 in the morning. He was 70 years old:

Steve Thomas

Jean-Rene Souetre was not Corsican, and he died on June 15, 2001.

Steve Thomas

17 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

I meant to add that in her DPD Affidavit, Mrs. Postal indicated that "Oswald" did NOT buy a ticket.  If you put together her affidavit, FBI report, and testimony, there are all kinds of issues, at least as I recall. 

Jim,

My problem with Julia Postal is that she let Oswald waltz right in where they kept the money, and didn't do anything to stop him.

Mr. BALL. When you say worked in the box office, is that take tickets?
Mrs. POSTAL. Sell tickets.

Mrs. POSTAL. I was listening to KLIF, and I was down in the little box office,

Mrs. POSTAL. This man, yes; he ducked into the box office and----I don't know if you are familiar with the theatre.
Mr. BALL. Yes; I have seen the theatre.
Mrs. POSTAL. You have? Well, he was coming from east going west. In other words, he ducked right in.

*smile*

Steve Thomas

9 hours ago, David Andrews said:

Steve,

There were enough young dead Marines whose identity could be stolen.  Why run a double Oswald in the US, when conceivably Russian intelligence ops hidden in the US could discover these activities in checking the defector's background?  Why even run a double Oz for Hoover to discover?

I just wonder why it was out in the open before there was a mission genuinely requiring a double.  What were they going to use these guys for before a JFK hit was decided? 

David,

Though there was supposed to be regular liaison and close cooperation between agencies, sometimes (a lot of times I suspect), that military intelligence, the FBI, the CIA, and the State Department did not play well with others. I can't remember which memo it is exactly right now, but there's a memo with a handwritten note from Hoover at the bottom, grudgingly allowing the FBI to cooperate with the CIA in something and Hoover saying, "OK, but don't forget their double dealing in that Mexico City thing." (or something along those lines).

( I think Hoover mentioned something else in that note - something about French intelligence maybe?)

And, I know from reading various military intelligence files from the Bay of Pigs era, that MI considered the CIA to be a bunch of cowboys.

I think it's quite possible that different agencies were using different Oswald personas for different reasons, and not telling each other.

Steve Thomas

On 9/7/2019 at 11:31 AM, David Andrews said:

The pages you linked to at the Harvey and Lee website provide enough anecdotal evidence that an "Oswald" was operating in the US Gulf region while another was in Russia.

David,

Maybe this belongs in another thread, but it's kind of weird. I got to thinking about Hoover's memo about the possibility of an imposter in Russia.

You can see a copy of his memo here:

http://harveyandlee.net/Comrade/Comrade_boy.htm

Hoover's memo to the Office of Security at the Department of State is dated June 3, 1960 and reads in part, "His last known residence as indicated in your dispatch was the Letropole (sic) Hotel, Moscow, where he was residing in a nontourist status."

That's weird, because Oswald had moved to Minsk as far back as January, 1960.

What dispatch is Hoover referring to? How old was it? Who was running six months behind? The State Department or Hoover?

Steve Thomas

1 hour ago, Robert Charles-Dunne said:

Since Postal phoned only once, and didn’t mention the balcony, which of the remaining calls did pinpoint the suspect being located in the balcony? And who might that caller have been? Most important, how would anyone know such a fact unless they were themselves in the Texas Theatre?

Robert,

I always thought these balcony calls were a double cross. The anonymous caller or callers didn't "know" the suspect was in the balcony. They only knew that's where the suspect was "supposed to be", and somebody was being sold down the river.

Steve Thomas

Was there a Secret Service Agent in the motorcade’s pilot car? When Mr. McCloy asked White House Detail Advance man, Winston Lawson if there was a Secret Service agent in the pilot car, Lawson firmly said, “No sir; there was not.” He told McCloy that the first SS agent was in the lead car.⁶.

Two of the Dallas Police Detectives who rode in that car however, either reported or testified that there was a secret service agent in the car. In his undated after-action report filed with Police Chief Jesse Curry, Detective B.L. Senkel, who rode in the car, wrote, “Deputy Chief Lumpkin told us there would be a Secret Service Agent riding with us from Love Field. We left Love Field ahead of the motorcade. Deputy Chief Lumpkin driving, Detective Turner in front right seat. I was sitting in the left rear seat, the army officer in the center, and the Secret Service agent in right rear seat.”⁷. In his undated after-action report, his fellow Detective F. M. Turner would write, “A Secret Service man met us at Love Field. He rode in Chief Lumpkin’s car with us out in front of the motorcade.”^8. On April 3, 1964, F.M. Turner was called to testify before the Warren Commission. He was asked about the occupants of the pilot car, and responded that in addition to his partner, Detective B.L. Senkel, and an Army major whose name I do not remember, there was also was, “…also a Secret Service man, whose name I do not remember.”^9. Neither Deputy Chief Lumpkin, nor Lt. Colonel George Whitmeyer was called by the Commission to testify.

In the Dallas Police Archives, there is an undated and unsigned report listing the positions assigned to the Homicide and Robbery Bureau officers for the security of the President. For B.L. Senkel and F.M. Turner, the report says that they were in a “Reconnaissance car with Chief G.L. Lumpkin of the City Police Department, Major Weiddemeyer of the U.S. Army, and Secret Service.”¹⁰. Also in the Archives, there is a rough draft of an unsigned and undated report listing the activities of the five men from Homicide and Robbery assigned to the President’s security (Fritz, Senkel, Turner, Boyd, and Sims). On the first page of that report is this paragraph, “At 9:50 AM Dets B.L. Senkel and F.M. Turner met Dept Chief George Lumpkin and Maj Weiddemeyer in the basement of the city hall and all proceeded to Love Field with Cheif Lumpkin driving, and arrived there at approx 10:30 AM. At approx 10:50 AM, they along with a Secret Service Agent left Love Field and proceded the presidential party by approx ½ mile and was in constant radio contact with Chief Curry.”^11. (spelling and grammatical errors left intact).

In an undated after-action report submitted by Lt. T.L. Baker concerning his duties between November 22nd and the 24th, Baker wrote, “Dets. Senkel and Turner arrived at Love Field at 11:40 AM with Chief Lumpkin, and Major Weiddemeyer, U.S. Army. After the President’s party’s plane had landed, they drove to the gate of Love Field at Cedar Springs and Mockingbird Lane. A Secret Service man had joined them at Love Field, and there were five people in their car.”¹²

On November 30, 1963 Assistant Chief of Police Charles Batchelor and Deputy Chiefs George Lumpkin and M.W. Stevenson submitted a combined after-action report to Chief Curry. In his chapter of the report, Lumpkin wrote, “Upon arriving at Love Field, G.L. Lumpkin, B.L. Senkel, F.M. Turner, and George Whitmeyer, “…contacted Mr. Forrest Sorrels and Mr. Lawson and were introduced to Mr. Jack Puterbaugh, a member of the White House Staff, whom Mr. Lawson had requested to ride in the pilot car.¹³.

On April 22, 1964 Police Chief, Jesse Curry told the Warren Commission, “I had Deputy Chief Lumpkin, and he had two Secret Service men with him, I believe, out of Washington, and a Colonel Wiedemeyer who is the East Texas Section Commander of the Army Reserve in the area, he was with him. They were out about, they were supposed to stay about a quarter of a mile ahead of us and I was in the lead car.”¹⁴.

Given the fact that Winston Lawson told the Warren Commission that Jack Puterbaugh had flown into Dallas with him ten days previously on November 12th, and even after being “introduced” to Mr. Puterbaugh, why Detective Turner and Chief of Police Curry would testify to a blue ribbon commission almost five months later that it was a “secret service man” riding in the car remains a mystery.

Why did Deputy Police Chief, (and Commandant of the 4150th USAR Training School in Dallas) tell Detective Senkel that Puterbaugh was a Secret Service Agent?

⁶. Testimony of Winston Lawson. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume IV, p. 328, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk..._Vol4_0168b.htm

^7. Statement of B.L. Senkel, Detective re: President’s Assassination. Dallas Police Archives Box 3 Folder# 12, Item#1: as cited in the City of Dallas Archives – JFK Collection, http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box3.htm

⁸. Report on Officer’s Duties in Regards to the President’s Murder. F. M. Turner - #809. Dallas Police Archives Box 3 Folder# 13, Item#1: as cited in the City of Dallas Archives – JFK Collection, http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box3.htm

⁹. Testimony of F. M. Turner. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume VII, p. 218, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk..._Vol7_0113b.htm

¹⁰. Report-typed, by an unknown author. Lists positions assigned Homicide and Robbery Bureau officers for the security of the President, Dallas Police Archives Box 15, Folder # 2, Item# 58 date unknown: as cited in the City of Dallas Archives – JFK Collection, http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box15.htm

¹¹. Note - typed, by an unknown author. Rough draft of a report of the events of November 22, 1963, (Photocopy), date unknown. Dallas Police Archives Box 7, Folder# 5, Item# 23, page 1 as cited in City of Dallas Archives – JFK Collection, http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box7.htm

¹². Report On Officer's Duties, by T. L. Baker. Photocopy of report by T. L. Baker regarding various aspects of his duties from November 22 through 24, 1963. Dallas Police Archives Box 5, Folder# 5, Item# 4, page 1 as cited in the City of Dallas Archives – JFK Collection, http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box5.htm

¹³. Report to Chief J. E. Curry, by Charles Batchelor. Report by Assistant Chief and Deputy Chiefs summarizing the events between the assassination of Kennedy and the murder of Lee Harvey Oswald, (Photocopy), 11/30/63: Dallas Police Archives, Box 14, Folder# 4, Item# 10 as cited in the City of Dallas Archives – JFK Collection, http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box14.htm

¹⁴. Testimony of Jesse Curry. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume IV, p. 170, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/..._Vol4_0089b.htm

Steve Thomas

6 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

Hi Jim,

Thanks for asking. My energy level has been slowly creeping lower for years and last summer I was diagnosed with chronic respiratory failure. I've actually started several posts over the months, only to run out of energy before completing them LOL. But I've felt particularly good today and have posted a few. The key for me is to keep them short!

 

Sandy,

I have the same problem.

I can relate.

Steve Thomas

33 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

 

Still more LTV intrigues were revealed by Peter Dale Scott: "A fellow-director of [Jack Alston] Crichton's firm of Dorchester Gas Producing was D.H. Byrd, an oil associate of Sid Richardson and Clint Murchison, and the LTV director who teamed up with James Ling to buy 132,000 shares of LTV in November 1963.”

http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/the-ltv-corporation-history/

Company History:

The LTV Corporation is the third largest steel producer in the United States.

In 1947 Jimmy Ling invested $2,000 in order to establish an electrical construction and engineering firm in Dallas. In 1956, after several successful years in business, the Ling Electric Company merged with L.M. Electronics of California and the name of the company was changed to Ling Electronics. A subsequent merger with Altec Electronics in 1959 changed the name of the company to Ling-Altec. A year later Ling-Altec merged with the Temco Electronics and Missile Company of Dallas. The new company, Ling-Temco, became one of the first major defense companies to be founded after World War II.

In 1961 Ling-Temco merged with the Chance Vought Aircraft Company. Vought was founded in 1917 and became part of the Boeing United Aircraft conglomerate in 1929. After that organization was forced to break up in 1934, Vought became a division of United Aircraft (later United Technologies). A conflict of interest in manufacturing led to United Aircraft's sale of Vought in 1954. Seven years later Ling initiated a difficult takeover of Vought which resulted in his temporary (but voluntary) loss of control over the company and all but 11 shares of company stock. Upon completion of the takeover on August 16, the company's name was again changed to Ling-Temco-Vought.

Steve Thomas

21 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

 

"Still more LTV intrigues were revealed by Peter Dale Scott: "A fellow-director of [Jack Alston] Crichton's firm of Dorchester Gas Producing was D.H. Byrd, an oil associate of Sid Richardson and Clint Murchison, and the LTV director who teamed up with James Ling to buy 132,000 shares of LTV in November 1963.”

From Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ling-Temco-Vought

Ling Electric Company

In 1947, entrepreneur James Ling founded Dallas electrical contracting business, Ling Electric Company. He lived in the rear of the shop. After incorporating and taking the company public in 1955, Ling found innovative ways to market the stock, including selling door-to-door and from a booth at the State Fair of Texas.^[1]

Ling-Temco-Vought

In 1956 Ling bought L.M. Electronics, and in 1959 added Altec Electronics, a maker of stereo systems and speakers. In 1960 Ling merged the company with Temco Aircraft, best known for its missile work. In 1961, using additional funding from insurance businessman Troy Post and Texas oil baron David Harold Byrd they acquired Chance Vought aerospace in a hostile takeover.^[1] The new company became Ling-Temco-Vought.  (LTV).

Steve Thomas

18 hours ago, Jim Harwood said:

I found this local Minnesota article of "interest" from 2013. The subject is 87 year old Jack Puterbaugh the advance man for the Kennedy motorcade in Dallas 11/22/63.

Some interesting facts about the late Mr. Puterbaugh

Jim,

Some other interesting things:

http://www.startribune.com/obituary-jack-puterbaugh-dfl-stalwart-and-advance-man-for-jfk-s-final-trip/297901471/

“In 1961, Jack Puterbaugh joined Freeman in Washington. The former Minnesota governor had been appointed secretary of agriculture by the new president.

In October 1963, Puterbaugh advanced Kennedy’s trip to Duluth, where the president was the main speaker at a conference sponsored by the USDA. (U.S. Department of Agriculture)

The next month, he was sent to Texas to help find the best place for the Nov. 22 luncheon — the Trade Mart or a building on the State Fairgrounds. Along with a Secret Service agent, Puterbaugh drove both routes from Love Field, where Air Force One was going to land....

“A History of the Texas State Guard” by Colonel Curren R. McLane

“Members of the Special Staff of the Texas State Guard Reserve Corps were:

Judge Advocate Section: Col. Charles O. Betts, Austin.”

Sunday, June 04, 1950 - Page 19

Judge Charles O. Betts, former 10th District commander, told the group of the State Guard’s service during the war years, and of the legislation which continued the Texas State Guard Reserve Corps in permanent status subject to active service at any time the National Guard may be called into federal service.”

More on Charles O. Betts:

http://www.texastotheworld.com/the-lbj-murder-conference/

“Regardless, the jury found (Mac) Wallace guilty of murder and eleven of the panelists wanted the death penalty while one suggested life in prison. The judge in the case, Charles O. Betts, issued a “jury verdict notwithstanding” and gave Wallace a five year suspended sentence.”

http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKjohnsonJ.htm

“The jury found (Mac) Wallace guilty of "murder with malice afore-thought". Eleven of the jurors were for the death penalty. The twelfth argued for life imprisonment. Judge Charles O. Betts overruled the jury and announced a sentence of five years imprisonment. He suspended the sentence and Wallace was immediately freed. “

John Simkin in the Education Forum December 2, 2006.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/8715-david-harold-byrd/

“In 1944 Byrd founded Byrd Oil Corporation and B-H Drilling Corporation. In 1952 Byrd established the Three States Natural Gas Company. Byrd later sold Byrd Oil to Mobil and Three States to Delhi-Taylor. Byrd used this money to invest in aircraft production and established Temco, a company that employed Mac Wallace after he was convicted of killing John Kinser.”

John Simkin in the Education Forum December 3, 2006, quoting Richard Bartholomew

(http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_i...e/rambler3.html)

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/8715-david-harold-byrd/

“Mac Wallace, who received a five-year suspended sentence in the shooting death of John Douglas Kiner in Austin on October 22, 1951, went to work for Temco, Inc. of Garland, Texas five months after his trial. He remained in that position until February 1961, four months before Henry Marshall's mysterious death on June 3, 1961, when he transferred to the Anaheim, California offices of LTV.

Still more LTV intrigues were revealed by Peter Dale Scott: "A fellow-director of [Jack Alston] Crichton's firm of Dorchester Gas Producing was D.H. Byrd, an oil associate of Sid Richardson and Clint Murchison, and the LTV director who teamed up with James Ling to buy 132,000 shares of LTV in November 1963.”

“Corsicana Daily Sun” from Corsicana, Texas March 31, 1970 Page 10

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/41268447/

“The building (the Texas School Book Depository) is owned by the Dallas Trust Corp. The majority stockholder of the firm, Col. D. Harold Byrd, 69, has decided to liquidate some of his holdings.”

Steve Thomas

On 9/16/2019 at 4:33 PM, Bill Simpich said:

OK - let's do a quick recap on the 488th.   When I started this thread, I pointed towards two members of the 488th, DPD Chief George Lumpkin and DPD Special Services Bureau chief Pat Gannaway.

 

Bill,

You may be interested in this.

https://archive.org/stream/nsia-HochPaulCorrespondence/nsia-HochPaulCorrespondence/Hoch Paul 0952_djvu.txt

An article on "Spies in Dallas?" in a Dallas paper in summer 1963 lends support to speculation about active ONI interest, as it does to many ideas about a nexus of DPD, federal, and private intelligence outfits in Oswald's Dallas milieu. Capt. Pat Gannaway of the DPD (and Army Intelligence Reserve)

described the work against subversion and espionage of his Special Services Bureau, requiring "the closest cooperation" with other agencies, including the FBI, "military intelligence teams 'from the Army, Navy, and Air Force, and other federal agencies .... Dallas police have been highly successful in

recent years in penetrating so-called subversive or radical groups...."

Posted Tuesday, February 5, 2013

Posted by Bill Kelly at 6:50 AM

http://jfkcountercoup2.blogspot.com/2013/02/spies-in-dallas-police-alert.html

Spies in Dallas? Police Alert

By JERRY RICHMOND
Staff Writer

August 5, 1963

“A man would be a fool to say any city in the United States is secure from subversion and espionage.”

This statement was made by the man in charge with keeping an eye on activities in Dallas involving espionage, subversion and sabotage for the Dallas Police Department.

‘Sensitive’

Police Captain Pat Gannaway, head of the department’s special services bureau, and a dozen of hand-picked offices under Lieutenant J. R. Revill in the criminal intelligence section of his bureau have been assigned to work with federal and state intelligence officials to guard the Dallas area from penetration by subversives seeking to harm the nation’s security.

Within this bureau fall all the things of a sensitive nature, and they…expionage and subversive activities….must be watched at all times,” the veteran police officer and reserve lieutenant colonel in the Army Intelligence corps said.

In addition to other country and state agents, the bureau’s work involves close support of Federal Bureau of Investigation agents, military intelligence teams from the Army, Navy and Air Force, and other federal agencies with investigators operating from headquarters here.

This combined federal, state and local team has men laced throughout the industrial and strategic points in the city’s life line.

The job of the intelligence action in Capt. Ganaway’s bureau, besides keeping check on organized crime, requires the closets cooperation with these other government agencies gathering intelligence on subversive groups and individuals suspected of espionage.

Dallas police have been highly successful in recent years in penetrating so-called subversive groups or radical groups which appear likely some day to cause danger to the public.

Penetration

In many cases undercover agents actually joined these groups to get names, addresses, past activities and future plans or have established networks of informants to acompolish the same result.

Private business,, retail credit bureaus, utility companies and even employers often provide invaluable information on suspicious perons who are kept under surveillance for months without their knowledge.

With membership in a national police intelligence organization known as LEIU (Law Enforcement Intelligence Unites) the local officers are able to get information almost immediately on suspected subversives when they move into Dallas. This information is exchanged by police units as these persons move from city to city.

Captain Gannaway’s men daily face the problem of changing membership in organization under question. He noted the most difficult part of the job is the freedom of movement of known subversives, but added: “That freedom is the dearest thing we have and I would not restrict it even for those who would destroy it.”

PLANT SECURTIY

Other civilians involved as a group in national security work at the local level are corporation security officers.

Floyd Purvis, manger of corporation security for Texas Instruments, pointed out that all plants in the Dallas-Fort Worth area with defense contracts operate under strict Department of Defense security regulations similar to those on military bases.

Employees in the plants are carefully screened by security conscious personnel ofificers, and the key jobs are given strict government security clearances.

UPGRADING

Industry is taking great strides to upgrade security practices. One such group in this aera is the American Society for Industrial Security, an organization in which Mr. Purvis is a local chairman.

Such governmental and civilian counter-intelligence activities are selcom publicized until a spy is caught, but local activity by these agencies has placed Dallas and other American cities in the fight against intrigues in a web of espionage.

Every citizen has a role in the nation’s security, Capt. Gannaway concluded. Often one small tip from an individual has meant bringing the pieces together for some intelligence agency.

Steve Thomas

3 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

 

During the week following the murder of LEE HARVEY OSWALD, on either Wednesday the 27th, or Thursday the 28th of November, 1963 the Texas driver's license issued to LEE HARVEY OSWALD came into my division.

The record (IBM card) on OSWALD was pulled from the files. Several other employees (5 or 6) of the Department saw the driver's license which was dirty and worn as though it had been carried in a billfold. The license was the talk of the office that day since everyone knew who OSWALD was,

Jim,

What happened to the IBM card? Did it disappear too? Do you know?

Steve Thomas

Human language can be a beautiful thing. It can make the spirit soar and the heart sing.

Abraham Lincoln appealed to the better angels of our nature and John F. Kennedy asked us to do things, not because they were easy, but because they were hard. Martin Luther King spoke of a dream, and Robert Frost of a road less traveled.

In four short paragraphs, a poster in this Forum recently used the following words. Some were adjectives, some were nouns, some were verbs:

disgraceful, nonsense, ridiculous, crazy stuff, steaming pile, idiocy, faked, far-fetched, paranoid, crazy, brain-dead, drivel, tin-foil-hat, lunatics, repulsing, unpleasant, paranoid, sewage, crazy, gullible, paranoid crazies.

Human language can be a beautiful thing,

or not.

Steve Thomas

30 minutes ago, John Iacoletti said:

But the footage of the woman sitting next to Leavelle (they don’t appear to be interacting, btw) was taken on Sunday. They are talking about Oswald being shot immediately before this sequence.

John,

Leavelle wasn't with any woman on Sunday - if you believe his after-action report on what he did on Sunday. See pp. 508-509.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1137#relPageId=528&tab=page

Unless he met with her and didn't report it - say during the time Oswald was being interrogated by Sorrells and Homes, et.al.

Steve Thomas

I myself like woo-woo. Count me in as a member of the B.A.R. movement.

https://www.audubon.org/news/are-birds-actually-government-issued-drones-so-says-new-conspiracy-theory-making

“The CIA assassinated John F. Kennedy after he refused to kill and replace billions of birds with drones.”

https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/9n4tvy/birds_arent_real/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BphiB_NlBFI/

birdsarentrealhouston

https://www.instagram.com/birdsarentrealhouston/?utm_source=ig_embed

Steve Thomas

1 hour ago, Denis Morissette said:

This is the lady who some say is Mrs. Reid with Leavelle. This is on November 24. I only know of her visit on November 23. I've just done a screen capture of the film showing the lady.

 

Denis,

If that is Leavelle sitting with her (and I think it is), and they are going over her affidavit, he took her affidavit on Saturday, November 23rd

See CD 81 p. 548

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10483#relPageId=548&tab=page

That's interesting. Those two pages (pp 218 and 219 of the Police Case book are missing from the chronological order of the DPD Archives in Box 5, Folder# 5, Item#'s 30-32. They could be somewhere else in the Archives, but they're missing from that chronological order in Box 5)

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box5.htm

Her affidavit is in Box 5, Folder# 2, Item# 51

Patsy Collins, the Notary Public, dates it as November 23rd.

Steve Thomas

2 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Steve,

Stringfellow my have been using the term “defected” inaccurately, but there’s credible evidence that one Oswald was in Cuba (as well as in the U.S. involved in anti-Castro activities) while the other was in Russia, and Hoover indicated he had been there several times.  The U.S. Army seemed to take seriously this claim that "Lieutenant Harvey Oswald" was in Havana in 1961.

FROM: SAC (New York)
TO: Director FBI

Enclosed for each recipient is one copy of a self-explanatory Army communication dated 12.30.63 captioned Harvey Oswald.

Enclosed Army communication alleges that Oswald was in Cuba in the company of Robert Taber, former head of Fair Play for Cuba Committee (FPCC), approximately three weeks after the April 1961, Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba.

   

Jim,

This document apparently references that Army Communication:

FBI 62-109060 JFK HQ File, Section 43

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62297&search=luaces#relPageId=89&tab=pageprior to the assassination.

The previous page (page 88) says that Taber called the FBI's New York office and told them that he had never heard the name Oswald prior to the assassination.

PS: Oswald carrying a briefcase seems a little unbelievable to me. But that's just me.

PPS: It's funny. Joe Backes was just asking about Stuart Reed - who was in Personnel in the Canal Zone - just the other day.http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/25994-military-intelligence-photographer/

Steve Thomas

6 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Steve,

Below is the full Hoover memo sent to all the FBI top brass on 11/22/63--the very day JFK was assassinated--in which he (Hoover) described telling AG Robert F. Kennedy that Lee Harvey Oswald "went to Cuba on several occasions but would not tell us what he went to Cuba for." 

I'm aware of no other hint on the record that Classic Oswald ever went to Cuba.  Therefore, it must have been another "Lee Harvey Oswald" who went there.

The documents below are also available on the Mary Ferrell website at this address:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62251#relPageId=96&tab=page

Jim,

My reference to the "Stringfellow" cable was that Stringfellow allegedly said that Oswald had "defected" to Cuba in 1959, not just visited there as Hoover maintains in the memo you cited. We know that it was Russia he "defected" to, not Cuba.

What's that business in Hoover's memo about Oswald shooting at two cops a block or two away from the TSBD, killing one?

It wasn't just Stringfellow who was "slinging a lot of questionable info around that day."

Steve Thomas

On 9/11/2019 at 8:30 AM, Jim Hargrove said:

Here is John A's writeup from the Nov. 22 page on our website:

 In his report to Captain Gannaway, Dallas Police Detective L.D. Stringfellow wrote: "On Novemberr 22, 1963, Lee Harvey Oswald was arrested in the balcony of the Texas Theater, 231 West Jefferson Blvd., and was charged with the murder of President John F. Kennedy and the murder of Officer JD Tippit."

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Steve Thomas

9 hours ago, Michael Clark said:

Shortly after 2 o'clock, we received information that this man had been captured and taken to the Dallas Police Department. One of our agents called from the Dallas Police Department and identified this man as Lee Harvey Oswald. I immediately recognized the name. he part of Lee Harvey Oswald. I wish the record to so read.....

Michael,

I had written, "(CE 709 https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1134#relPageId=521&tab=page is also infamous because it shows the address of LHO as being 605 Elsbeth St. at a time – 3:00 PM on the afternoon of 11/22 - when the DPD was only supposed to have known about 2515 W. 5^th St. in Irving based on his TSBD employment records, and N.Beckley because “some officer” told Fritz about it out in the hall. Hosty knew about LHO’s Elsbeth St. address, but he hadn’t made it up to Fritz’s office yet. By 2:40 PM, Detectives had been dispatched to both Irving and N. Beckley, so how did Revill know about Elsbeth?)

And you posted the above, from Hosty.

I had forgotten about Bookhout.

Hosty had known about the Elsbeth St. address as far back as March of 1963.

If Bookhout called Hosty shortly after 2:00 PM, Hosty could easily have told him about Elsbeth, and Bookhout could have told Revill.

(Although, at that point, I'm not sure why Hosty would not have told him about Neely, and LHO;s move to New Orleans, etc.) Why would Revill still have used Elsbeth as Oswald's address? My guess is that he was using George Bouhe as his source of information. Bouhe still had Elsbeth as Oswald's last known address of record.

Steve Thomas

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On 9/10/2019 at 7:50 AM, Jim Hargrove said:

I could start going back in time showing how that Oswald decoy appeared again and again and again, but I have to wonder if there isn’t a simpler explanation.

Don’t have time for these thoughts, though. 
 

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