FBI Subject Files. William Paul Gannaway:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=73749#relPageId=2&tab=page

Steve Thomas

FBI Subject Files, William Paul Gannaway:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=73743#relPageId=2&tab=page

Ouch.

Also,

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=73741#relPageId=2&tab=page

Newton Fisher would later become a Deputy Chief of Police in the Patrol Division. I wonder if he would go on to become another Colonel in the Reserves.

Steve Thomas

On 2/17/2019 at 10:11 PM, Bill Simpich said:

"The headquarters of the Special Services unit was not at City Hall, but at the Dallas Fair Grounds, where Crichton’s underground Emergency Command and Communications bunker was also located. Pat Gannaway, the head of the unit, was also a Army Reserve officer, as were most of his men.

In that vein...

Take a look at this write-up of the Dallas Civil Defense Emergency Operations Center in Fair Park?  It was linked to national, state and local authorities.  

 

Chief Pat Gannaway's Special Service Division was based in Fair Park, and also linked to these same authorities. 

 

Bill,

In the spirit of your original thread title:

Gary Mack posted this in the Usenet Group alt.assassination.jfk on June 7, 2000.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.assassination.jfk/8150-oOXvjk

"Dallas Police Special Services Captain Pat Gannaway died June 4 in Austin,
Texas.  Gannaway provided the FBI with Jack Ruby's DPD file and also
interviewed Jose Molina, one of several TSBD employees police were curious
about.

Here's the paid obituary from today's News:

Deaths Funerals  -  The Dallas Morning News  -  06/07/2000
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

GANNAWAY W.P. ``PAT'' age 84, died unexpectedly Sunday June 4, 2000. He
was born in Whitney, Texas on February 3, 1916. Pat was a member of Hyde
Park Baptist Church. Pat graduated from Whitney High School and later
attended Southwest Texas State University in San Marcos, Texas. He moved
to Dallas, Texas where he was a city police officer until he entered the
Army through the Selective Service in September, 1942.

He was commissioned a second lieutenant at the Army Engineer Officer
Candidate School at Fort Belvoir, Virginia on July 7, 1943 and assigned to
the 328th Engineer Combat Battalion of the 103rd Infantry Division, Camp
Claiborne, Louisiana. He went overseas with this division as a platoon
leader of 3rd Plt, Company A, 328th Engineer Combat Battalion. While with
this division he was awarded a Bronze Star Medal and one Oak Leak Cluster
for his contribution to the successful completion of the division's
mission as reflected in general orders 44 and 142, 103rd Infantry
Division, 1945. After the 103rd Division captured Innsbruck, Austria he
was transferred to the 45th Infantry Division and designated company
commander of Company A, 120th Engineer Combat Battalion. When the 45th
Division was demobilized he was placed on inactive status as a captain
CE-AUS.

He returned to the Dallas Police Department but continued his military
training in the USAR. He transferred to the Army Intelligence Service and
retired as a lieutenant colonel Al-USAR on February 3, 1976. He also
retired from the Dallas Police Department with the rank of Director in
July 1971. After retirement he moved to Austin, Texas and became
Coordinator Against Organized Crime for the Criminal Justice Department.
He served in this position until he retired in 1978."

PS: I'm going to put him with the "Colonels" notes I have.

Steve Thomas

Colonel George Lumpkin, Deputy Chief of Police. Commandant of the 4150^th Army Reserve Training School. Took command of the Texas School Depository crime scene following the assassination. First reported Oswald as “missing”. Played pivotal role in securing interpreter for Marina Oswald. Took control of the first draft of the Dallas Police Dispatch Tapes which were submitted to the Secret Service.

Colonel Boise Smith, Dallas Police Department, Deputy Chief of Police. Director, Civil Defense and Disaster Commission, whose Headquarters was at the Dallas Fairgrounds with its own continuity of government communications system.

Colonel Geoge Whitmeyer, “...taught Army intelligence”. Rode in motorcade pilot car which made an unexplained stop in front of the TSBD during the motorcade.

Colonel Harold D. Byrd. Chief Executive Officer of Civil Air Patrol. Owned the TSBD. Later employed Mac Wallace after he was convicted of killing John Kinser.

Revolt of the Colonels?

Steve Thomas

On 10/31/2011 at 10:50 PM, Shepard G. Montgomery said:

I've always been interested in Guy Banister because we share a hometown, Monroe, Louisiana.

I wonder what the possibilities are that Guy Bannister and (later on, Colonel) George Whitmeyer knew each other.

Monroe News-Star, Monroe, LA. March 15, 1954. page 13

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/90445615/

COMPLETES COURSE — Capt. George L. Whitmeyer, whose wife, Frances Whitmeyer, resides here at 217 Pargoud Drive, has recently completed a 17-week Associate Infantry Office Advanced Course in Fort Penning, Ga., which is given to company and field grade officers to enable them to return to their units with a more thorough understanding of their command positions. Capt. Whilmeyer. in service for 12 years, has served in Hawaii, Europe, Korea, and Japan, and been awarded the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Purple Heart and the Combat Infantry Badge.

Steve Thomas

2 hours ago, Bill Simpich said:

On the suppression/inaccuracy of the 112th's reports:  Do you think Jones made up his story that he learned about the Hidell card from someone (Doughty?) and passed it on to the FBI by 3:15 pm on 11/22?

 

Bill,

From Paul Hoch’s Third Decade article”

I don’t know if Sylvia Meagher or Paul Hoch were aware of the 4150^th Army Reserve Training School located in Dallas. Army Reserve Colonel, and Dallas Deputy Chief of Police, George Lumpkin was the Commandant of that School. He played a pivotal role in getting an interpreter for Marina Oswald. B.B. Smith, also a Deputy Chief of Police and the Director of the Dallas Civil Defense and Disaster Commission, whose headquarters was located at the Fairgrounds, was also associated with the School. Colonel George Whitmeyer, who Winston Lawson said “taught Army Intelligence”, probably taught at that same school on the E. Northwest Highway.

see: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/25557-4150th/?tab=comments#comment-395116

I don't think Jones needed Doughty.

Steve Thomas

51 minutes ago, Larry Hancock said:

I don't know that its a smokescreen but I consider it a dead end myself.  Unfortunately it served as a diversion to close down the question of people with fake ID in the plaza - a real sign of conspiracy.  On the Strike Command cable, we have discussed that many times and I consider it a standard advisory circulated out of DC to multiple commands and re-transmitted by some...but that's just me. 

Certainly there were separate channels of communication,  the nation was opening new ones throughout that period, to deal with continuity of government in a nuclear attack....for those that really want to understand the depth and breadth of that effort (which I have never seen full discussed in JFK venues) I would recommend Raven Rock by Garrett Graff for the best possible understanding - it goes far deeper than either I did in Surprise Attack or Peter Dale Scott did on his writing about COG.

Larry,

No, you're right about the Strike Command cable itself. It was coming out of Washington. Technically, Jones would not claim ownership of it. I feel like Jones was being asked about its contents, and he wanted no part of it. While I think there were, and are, real concerns about the 112th's role in domestic surveillance, I myself just don't think they had any part to play in JFK's assassination.

Thank you for the recommendation about Raven Rock. I will have to look into it.

Steve Thomas

7 hours ago, Larry Hancock said:

I'm not sure it was not in the podcast - it is a bit confusing but its important to remember that Morales was in charge of JMWAVE operations including maritime operations in 1963 so his interest in boats is not that far off base. 

Larry,

Do you know if Morales had much, if any, contact with Jerry Buchanan and his Alpha-66 connections out of Alabama and Miami?

Frank Sturgis seems to be heavily involved in those.

Steve Thomas

9 hours ago, Larry Hancock said:

One of the real questions in play being why Jones was called to testify rather than the actual unit commander, unit operations officer,  or more importantly the Dallas office commander - who would be the one with the most immediate knowledge.

Larry,

The fact that Jones took no pride in the "Stringfellow cable":, didn't know who George Whitmeyer was; and Stringfellow and Biggio manning the radio at the Fairgrounds on the 22nd, tells me that there was a line of communication going on that has never really been explored.

Personally, I think the 112th is a dead end and a smoke screen.

Steve Thomas

6 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

 Bill Kelly, in his,post on Alexander Ziger, mentions that he was Jewish, had fled from the Nazis to Argentina. Curious he would choose to go to the Soviet Union thereafter.

 

Paul,

That article I referenced in my earlier post,

THE UKRAINIAN EXPERIENCE IN ARGENTINA, 1897–1950:

AN HISTORICAL OVERVIEW

^PDF]

the ukrainian experience in argentina, 1897–1950 – cejsh

was illuminating for me. One of the footonotes the author used talks about how Russian policy changed after Stalin died, and they allowed former residents of the Ukraine to return to Russia.

"By the mid-1950’s, after Stalin’s death, the Kremlin had reversed its earlier policy of dissuading sympathetic expatriates from resettling in the Soviet Union. A Committee for the Return to the Homeland was set up in East Berlin and periodicals were published in several languages for expatriates in the diaspora. In Argentina the response ran in the thousands."

I almost hate to say it, because it's so mind numbing, but if you go back to the WC testimony of Paul Raigorodsky, 

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/raigorod.htm

it puts his testimony in context. The religious splits in the Ukrainian community carried over into the political sphere, especially in western Ukraine along the Polish border. The Ukraine, and the battle between East and West, has been an issue for a long time.

Steve Thomas

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On 10/24/2019 at 8:14 PM, Larry Hancock said:

I've asked David to help by looking at the documents from Miami where they did run a screening center.

 

Larry,

Posted by James Richards on July 11, 2007 (edited) in the Education Forum

Cryptonym: JMFIG

JMFIG is defined as the "Opa-locka Naval Base. Opa-locka CAC (note: Caribbean Admissions Center)

https://www.maryferrell.org/php/cryptdb.php?id=JMFIG

198-10004-10157 MOVEMENT OF THE CARIBBEAN ADMISSION CENTER (CAC) 1

Background on the use of the Opa-locka facility. "The Caribbean Admission Center was established in March 1962 as a joint DOD/CIA operation under CIA operational control and Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) cover..." See https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=19773#relPageId=10&tab=page

- it shows that "CIA's Domestic Contact Division (DCD) had primary responsibility for obtaining positive intelligence interest from refugees." DCD officers conducted interviews with refugees at the CAC.

Steve Thomas

12 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Steve:

 

Besides this, what is the evidence he was there?

Jim,

I don't know of any other records that show Oswald was at the YMCA on October 3rd.

In Mary Ferrell's Chronologies, she writes that Lee did not call Marina that day and wonders why. 

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=40391#relPageId=153&tab=page

He does go to the Texas Unemployment Commission, is interviewed by a Harry Sanderson, and files an unemployment claim.

They closed at 4:30 each day.

FBI 105-82555 Oswald HQ File, Section 118

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=40391#relPageId=153&tab=page

Oswald 201 File, Vol 3, Folder 9A, Part 2

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=95615&relPageId=90&search=TEC

FBI interview of Harry Sanderson. Harry Sanderson processed an unemployment claim for Oswald on October 3, 1963.

Why the word "Service" appears on his YMCA receipt:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/hulen.htm

Mr. JENNER. And the last in this series is dated October 3, 1963, and in this instance it is in the name of Lee H. Oswald, and it shows an address, whereas, none of the other of the first four had an address, and the address is listed here as Toro [spelling] T-o-r-o, Calif. [Spelling] C-a-l.
I notice something on the first of the series which I notice again on this one of October 3, 1963, which is the printing on the line, entitled, "Membership fees," and there is the word written in longhand, "service." That's true of the first and the last of these receipts--what does that indicate?
Mr. HULEN. That indicates that he was a serviceman and that, in my opinion, that waives the membership fee.

The first receipt is for the night of October 15, 1962 (This is page 190 of vol. 20)

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1137#relPageId=210&tab=page

Steve Thomas

On 10/21/2019 at 9:27 AM, Steve Thomas said:

I myself would be interested in learning more about the relationship between Roy Truly and D.H. Byrd.

John Simkin in the Education Forum December 2, 2006.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/8715-david-harold-byrd/

 

“In 1944 Byrd founded Byrd Oil Corporation and B-H Drilling Corporation. In 1952 Byrd established the Three States Natural Gas Company.

Byrd later sold Byrd Oil to Mobil and Three States to Delhi-Taylor. Byrd used this money to invest in aircraft production and established Temco. A company that employed Mac Wallace after he was convicted of killing John Kinser.”

 

I just ran across this in looking for something else, and thought I'd pass it along:

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/B%20Disk/Boxley%20Memos%20Miscellaneous/Item%2006.pdf

4. J. CARLIN BRANDT, chief, accounting clerk for Mobil Oil, moved from 601 N. Ewing St. in 1963 to 223 S. Ewing, Jack Ruby’s apartment house. Brandt is the name of the prime suspect in the Minute Man recruitment effort in the Matamorros bar six weeks before the assassination who told Alan Dale’s informant that the Minute Men had a contract to kill JFK. The latter Brandt - one John Brandt, combination gunsmith and Minute Man from the Ray Brantley circle in Dallas, a former employee of Brantley’s, dropped out of directory listings after the assassination, and Penn Jones advises via Mary now that John Brandt is living covertly at 2960 Colfing Green, Farmers Branch, Texas, another widely recognized residential area of Dallas, which was a hot-bed of anti-castro speeches and activities prior to the assassination. At the time of the killing, JOHN 3RANDT was living at 801 Rindie, Irving. He was given a job by LING-TEMPCO-VAUGHT, than disappeared about a year ago, ostensibly for an operation, and went into his present hiding in Farmers Branch.

Steve Thomas

Johnny Brewer and Julia Postal are both listening to the radio on their transistor radios.

Johnny Brewer hears on his radio that a policeman has been shot in Oak Cliff.

Julia Postal, listening to KLIF on her radio, does not.

What station is Brewer listening to?

From Johnny Brewer:

From Julia Postal:

From Julia Postal's WC testimony:

" So, seemed like I hung up the intercom phone when here all of a sudden, police cars, policemen, plainclothesmen, I never saw so many people in my life. And they raced in, and the next thing I knew, they were carrying----well, that is when I first heard Officer Tippit had been shot because some officer came in the box office and used the phone, said, "I think we have got our man on both accounts." "What two accounts?" And said, "Well, Officer Tippit's,"do with Tippit.

Julia Postal's call to the police was in reference to JFK's assassination, and had nothing to do with Tippit.

Are she and Brewer listening to two different radio stations?

Steve Thomas

Upon his supposed return from Mexico on October 3, 1963, Oswald checked into the YMCA. For his address, Oswald listed Toro, Ca.

(20H192)  https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1137#relPageId=212&tab=page

What do you think, is the significance of this?

From Mary Ferrell's Chronologies:

Steve Thomas

7 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

Then in the WC testimony Paul J provides she tells Ball she did not see whoever snuck in behind her, since she was facing West.  But in the part Steve provides she says she did see him, with a panicked look on his face.  Inconsistent, and unstable in the interview.  

Ron,

Did you read her Affidavit that Jim Hargrove made reference to? You can see a copy in the DPD Archives in Box 2, Folder# 3, Item# 21 here:

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm

(With Box 2, you have to follow the numbers on the right hand side of the page)

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. She saw Oswald duck into the Theater without paying for a ticket, and didn't do anything about it. Instead, she went outside and stood on the sidewalk looking at the police down the street. She was the one who insisted on calling the police because she knew he was running from the police because of her "woman's intuition". What a crock.

Steve Thomas

54 minutes ago, Jim Hargrove said:

And why on earth did it take some two weeks to get a signed affidavit from Mrs. Postal?
 

Jim,

Yeah, and why at 7:45 at night?

Steve Thomas

6 hours ago, Paul Jolliffe said:

Jim,

I don't believe Julia Postal saw anyone "ducking in" as later described by Johnny Brewer. eally said?

Paul,

I like this exchange:

Mr. BALL. And after you saw the police car go west with its siren on, why at the time the police car went west with its siren on, did you see the man that ducked?

Mrs. POSTAL. Yes; and when the sirens went by he had a panicked look on his face, and he ducked in.

Mr. BALL. Now, as the car went by, you say the man ducked in, had you seen him before the car went by, the police went by?
Mrs. POSTAL. No, sir; I was looking up, as I say, when the cars passed,

Mr. BALL. What did you see him do after became around the corner?
Mrs. POSTAL. Well, I didn't actually---

So, well, I called the police, and he wanted to know why I thought it was their man, and I said, "Well, I didn't know," and he said, "Well, it fits the description," and I have not---I said I hadn't heard the description. All I know is, "This man is running from them for some reason." And he wanted to know why, and told him because everytime the sirens go by he would duck and he wanted to know----well, if he fits the description is what he says. I said, "Let me tell you what he looks like and you take it from there." And explained that he had on this brown sports shirt and I couldn't tell you what design it was, and medium height, ruddy looking to me, and he said, "Thank you,"

Everytime the sirens went by?  How many sirens did go by? How many times was he "ducking"

How could the police operator know Oswald fit the description before Postal even gave it to him?

Steve Thomas

3 hours ago, Anthony Mugan said:

 

Background on the significance of the absence of a shockwave:

The inner angle of the shockwave cone is related to the velocity of the bullet with faster velocities

 

Table 1 summarises some examples of inner angles for different bullet velocities using the speed of sound relevant for Dealey Plaza at the time of the assassination

Anthony,

Congratulations on your first post. It was cogent, articulate and respectful.

Thank you.

I am algebraically challenged, but I did have one question. Wouldn't different guns with different shot loads also have a bearing on shot velocities?

Steve Thomas

On 10/23/2019 at 12:28 PM, Michael Cross said:

Presumably LHO also filled out employment paperwork after the being hired.  He may not have listed the address on the application, but could have listed it on his w-4, employee file, etc.  Do we have copies of all employment docs?

Michael,

That's a good question.

Roy Truly told the WC, http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/truly1.htm

"So I told him if he would come to work on the morning of the 16th, it was the beginning of a new pay period. So he filled out his withholding slip, with the exception of the number of dependents.
He asked me if I would hold that for 3 or 4 days, that he is expecting a baby momentarily.
So some 4 days or so later--I don't remember the exact day--he told me that he had this new baby, and he wanted to add one dependent.
He finished filling it out. And I sent it up to Mr. Campbell who makes out the payroll for the company.
Mr. BELIN. Now, on October 15th you saw him fill out the application form for employment in his own writing?
Mr. TRULY. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. You also saw him fill out the withholding slip, except for the number of exemptions, in his own writing, is that correct?
Mr. TRULY. Yes, sir."

I don't think I've ever seen Oswald's TSBD W-2 form.

Steve Thomas

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3 hours ago, David Andrews said:

For me, the WC testimony of Nancy Perrin Rich is a metaphor of what happened. Some of the details vary, but all the basic elements are there. You've got Cubans and Colonels and the mob, and spooky guys sitting in the corner not saying much. It's all in there.

 

Nancy Perrin Rich is a metaphor for involvements in herself.  Watch her filmed interviews, in which what they used to call a chippie tries to come off as a Dallas society type.  It's useful to see these to get the flavor of her WC appearance.

David,

I only used Nancy Rich as a metaphor for the different elements who might have been involved.

The way I see it, a handful of guys are sitting in easy chairs, drinking brandy and smoking cigars around the fire at the yacht club. There’s a spy guy, and military man, a mob guy and a rich guy.

One of the guys says, “That sumbitch Kennedy has got to go. Everybody raises their brandy snifter and say, “Hear hear!”

One guy turns to the military guy and says, “General, you kill people for a living, how would you do it?” The General says, “I’d use a triangulation of fire and mow him down with an enfilade approach.”

The mob guy says, “I’d bring in some shooters from out of the country, so they can’t be traced.”

The spy guy says, “I’ve got some Cubans who trained with the Green Berets at Fort Bragg who are crack snipers.”

The General says, “I know some local Reserves who can take care of logistics, like food and lodging, and ingress and egress routes.”

And either the spy guy, or the military guy offers to get the President’s schedule to figure out the best place and time.

Everybody says, “Yeah, but this is going to cost a lot of money.” and the oil guy says, “I’ll take care of that end of things.”

There were several people who all had their own motives.

Ron asked, " Was the assassination itself a military operation?"

Who coordinated things? I don’t know, but to me, JFK's assassination was a whole lot more coordinated than the techniques the CIA was trying to use on Castro like exploding seashells that he just might happen to pick up.

Steve Thomas

6 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

 

Lets blame Paul (B).  He kept pounding, hammering on other threads about Military Intelligence in Dallas regarding the assassination.  Then Steve Thomas has that thing for the Colonels that I get lost in.  Top it off with recent reading about John Newman questioning the bonafide's of Antonio Veciana regarding the CIA, suggesting he was more so Army Intelligence.  

It all makes me wonder.   Was the assassination itself a military operation?

I admit to confusion, many questions.  I don't want to detract from or derail the thread.  But, did maybe the CIA set it up, provide cover and the patsy, but maybe the actual snipers were part of practiced trained military teams?  Military intelligence seems obviously involved regarding the parade route and in Dealy Plaza (photographers, where are all of their pictures?).

So many of us have become convinced over the years it was a CIA operation with they're own snipers, Cuban's, Corsicans, mob or otherwise.  Was that all smoke to obscure, like Veciana ID'ing Oswald with Phillips, blaming it all on the CIA ultimately (while the were involved, complicit?).

Bill and Larry's thoughts in particular would be appreciated.  There's not much proof of anything.  Does it sound logical? 

Ron,

For me, the WC testimony of Nancy Perrin Rich is a metaphor of what happened. Some of the details vary, but all the basic elements are there. You've got Cubans and Colonels and the mob, and spooky guys sitting in the corner not saying much. It's all in there.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/rich_n.htm

🙂

In the end, the Colonel was in charge.

Mr. HUBERT. All right. Tell us what happened.
Mrs. RICH. Well, we got there and at that time there was the colonel and another middle-aged woman, kind of a real old granite face I would describe her, steel-gray hair. Looked rather mannish.

Mr. HUBERT. Who else was there?
Mrs. RICH. The colonel, the woman, and the prizefighter type, a couple of other men that just kind of sat off in the corner.

Mrs. RICH. "The colonel seemed to be the head of it and seemed to do all the talking.

Mr. HUBERT. Did he tell you whom he was representing in the matter?
Mrs. RICH. Not exactly. That fact never did come clear to me. A group of people.

Steve Thomas