6 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

Gene,

Colonels? Did somebody say something about Colonels?

Colonel B.B. Smith

Daily Palmer Rustler October 14, 1954 page 2

(Member of the faculty 4150^th Army Reserve Support Unit, U.S.Army Reserve Training School, Dallas)

B.B. (Boise) Smith. Director, Civil Defense and Disaster Commission. Dallas Police Department, Deputy Chief of Police.

Colonel Charles Lumpkin, Deputy Chief of Police, Dallas Police Department. Commandant of the 4150^th Army Reserve Support Unit, U.S.Army Reserve Training School, Dallas. Took command of the TSBD crime scene. Provided the first transcript of the 11/22/63 police dispatch tapes to the Secret Service. Worked with Jack Crichton to obtain an interpreter for Marina Oswald.

Colonel Jack Crichton.

From John Simkin in the Education Forum 1/7/2009

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/6568-jack-alston-crichton/?page=2

“Crichton was appointed head of the intelligence component of the Dallas Civil Defense….

In 1961 Crichton joined forces with other right-wing figures in Dallas to establish a program called "Know Your Enemy". This was to combat communist influence that "was undermining the American way of life". The following year Crichton opened an underground command post under the patio of the Dallas Health and Science Museum that was intended for "continuity-of-government" operations during a communist attack.” Had its own proprietary communications system.

From John Simkin in the Education Forum 1/7/2009

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/6568-jack-alston-crichton/?page=2

“Jack Crichton also had a close association with George H. W. Bush. According to Fabian Escalante (The Secret War: CIA Covert Operations Against Cuba, 1959-62), in 1959, Crichton and Bush raised funds for the CIA's Operation 40. Originally it was set up to organize sabotage operations against Fidel Castro and his Cuban government. However, it evolved into a team of assassins.”

Colonel D.H. Byrd, owner of the TSBD.

John Simkin in the Education Forum December 3, 2006, (http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_i...e/rambler3.html)

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/8715-david-harold-byrd/

“Still more LTV intrigues were revealed by Peter Dale Scott: "A fellow-director of [Jack Alston] Crichton's firm of Dorchester Gas Producing was D.H. Byrd, an oil associate of Sid Richardson and Clint Murchison, and the LTV director who teamed up with James Ling to buy 132,000 shares of LTV in November 1963.”

Steve Thomas

10 hours ago, Gene Kelly said:

Then there are the HSCA revelations about one Colonel Samuel G. Kail ... purportedly an Army military attaché in Havana. Kail  was a West Point graduate, and military intelligence, but assumed to be a "functionary" of the CIA (whatever that is). Lieutenant Kail was awarded a Silver Star for his exploits in Korea.  He told the HSCA "I assume that CIA pays our bills" but he also received a CIA legion of Merit Award.  That is why I belive the distinction between CIA and military is not clear and a moot point.     

Gene,

Colonels? Did somebody say something about Colonels?

Cryptonym: JMFIG

JMFIG is defined as the "Opa-locka Naval Base. Opa-locka CAC (note: Caribbean Admissions Center)

https://www.maryferrell.org/php/cryptdb.php?id=JMFIG

198-10004-10157 MOVEMENT OF THE CARIBBEAN ADMISSION CENTER (CAC) 1

Background on the use of the Opa-locka facility. "The Caribbean Admission Center was established in March 1962 as a joint DOD/CIA operation under CIA operational control and Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) cover..." See https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=19773#relPageId=10&tab=page

- it shows that "CIA's Domestic Contact Division (DCD) had primary responsibility for obtaining positive intelligence interest from refugees." DCD officers conducted interviews with refugees at the CAC.

124-90019-10155: No Title

Deputy Chief of the CAC is Colonel Sam Kail.

Remember too, Colonel Frank Brandstetter. He also was in Havana during that same time period. More blurring of the CIA and DOD.

Both lived in Dallas, BTW.

Colonel Frank Maryan "Brandy" Brandstetter (U.S. Army Ret.) died in the Hospital Megallanes in Acapulco, Mexico on August 21, 2011 at age 99. - See more at: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/nytimes/obituary.aspx?pid=153634344#sthash.woUiR4U2.dpuf

"Brandy continued for 40 years in uniform as a U.S. Army Reservist frequently providing assistance to the Office of the Army Chief of Staff for Intelligence, the Defense Intelligence Agency, the FBI, and the CIA."

Steve Thomas

On 12/30/2019 at 11:45 AM, Steve Thomas said:

I remembered a conversation Larry Hancock and I had in the Forum back in 2017 about JFK's, Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/23631-foreign-intelligence-advisory-board/

I was reading through the minutes of the FIA Board (Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board) meeting of January 30, 1964

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1961#relPageId=1&tab=page

and a couple of things jumped out at me:

5) The Dunlap case was a lot more serious than most of us know about.

Finnegan, James Patrick. Military Intelligence. Center of Military History, United States Army. Wasshington, D.C., 1998. page 139.

https://history.army.mil/html/books/060/60-13-1/cmhPub_60-13-1.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0fXdB8NCpxTOmB-WsJRPxhcgxc9RCvfEdezKJReRSM8mmSPjMe-jr1rVM

Dunlap will be a concern in the Eugene Dinkin case.

Steve Thomas

I remembered a conversation Larry Hancock and I had in the Forum back in 2017 about JFK's, Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/23631-foreign-intelligence-advisory-board/

Larry and I had some pretty good exchanges, I think.

The Minutes of those meetings make for pretty interesting reading.

https://www.maryferrell.org/php/showlist.php?docset=1062

At the time I was struck by the minutes of the meeting on September 12-13, 1963

 https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1960

Steve Thomas

2 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Is Ecker a Conspiracy Theorist?

Jim,

I wouldn't doubt it.

One look at his profile pic brings to mind descriptions such as "wild eyed", "crazed", "delusional", "slathering", and more.

Steve Thomas

2 minutes ago, Ron Ecker said:

On the subject of skiing, there's a belief that the death in 1998 of Sonny Bono, the singer and political activist, was suspicious. He was killed when he hit a tree while skiing. Apparently there were grounds for believing that the tree didn't act alone.

Pure speculation and innuendo.

This was an interesting article:

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2013/09/14/dallas-mexican-americans-remember-the-jfk-years-surveillance-by-fbi/

" Lowery discussed his role in 1963 testimony in Washington before the Subversive Activities Control Board, a government group established in 1950. Days later, he gave interviews to reporters like Jim Lehrer, then a Dallas Times Herald reporter."

One thing I haven't resolved yet, is if the anti-Castro Cubans knew Lowery was a prominent Texas communist, why would they have allowed him in a Cuban exile meeting?

Steve Thomas

4 hours ago, Bill Simpich said:

 

 

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8 hours ago, Bill Simpich said:

Bart, do you know how to find Butler's earlier deposition, taken a month earlier?

Bill and Bart,

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1s5EpZGW5uQKs5xtRoUO4yXfWuPnnuidV/view

(Butler's HSCA interview)
 

Now I understand why this tape was so explosive.

Any thoughts on who this FBI guy was?

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/C Disk/Castorr L Robert Colonel/Item 23.pdf

pages 22 amd 23 of the pdf file

(Weisberg interview with Mr. and Mrs. L. Robert Castorr)

Steve Thomas

I think you need to go back and read your von Clausewitz.

Carl von Clausewitz

https://oll.libertyfund.org/pages/clausewitz-war-as-politics-by-other-means

24. WAR IS A MERE CONTINUATION OF POLICY BY OTHER MEANS.

We see, therefore, that War is not merely a political act, but also a real political instrument, a continuation of political commerce, a carrying out of the same by other means. All beyond this which is strictly peculiar to War relates merely to the peculiar nature of the means which it uses. That the tendencies and views of policy shall not be incompatible with these means, the Art of War in general and the Commander in each particular case may demand, and this claim is truly not a trifling one. But however powerfully this may react on political views in particular cases, still it must always be regarded as only a modification of them; for the political view is the object, War is the means, and the means must always include the object in our conception.

The actual assassination of JFK was an act of war. That was the military's role. The political end was the CIA's role.

Steve Thomas

4 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

I couldn't remember who the profiles were of other than Daniel Webster.  Then there was John Quincy Adams, and, Sam Houston. 

Ron,

The one guy who voted against the impeachment of Andrew Johnson seems quite relevant today, don't you think?

Steve Thomas

6 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

The futures so bright I gotta wear shades.

Ron,

I love it! I     think I'll use that a lot  :-)  :-)

I'll have some of what Timbuk 3 is having please.

Steve

1 hour ago, Joe Bauer said:

Really? Wow.

Yeah Steve...in certain ways...it does.

Joe,

Even more than the pain is knowing that you'll never be able to do some of the things that you enjoyed so much in the past.

I gave my cedar/fiberglass canoe to a friend who has four boys.

Skiing? horseback riding? fugedabout it.

Steve

On 12/26/2019 at 1:15 PM, Joe Bauer said:

Looks like I re-fractured my L-4 vertebrae in last two weeks

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Steve Thomas

On 12/25/2019 at 5:31 AM, Ron Ecker said:

Merry Christmas to all. But as for Santa Claus, given the size of the world and the number of homes that have to be visited, I think the Single Sleigh Theory is physically impossible. There is no way that Santa acts alone.

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Steve Thomas

2 hours ago, Paul Bacon said:

It might have been within this forum (I'm not sure where I read it) that someone suggested that the phone lines didn't actually cease to work, it was just that the lights on the phones went out.  I don't remember how phones were designed in '63, but the idea was that the lights on the phone were powered by house current but the actual communication was powered by the telephone company.  So Geneva Hines may not have been able to take incoming calls.

Paul,

You jogged my memory about something. I had a conversation with Ron Ecker about this in 2016.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/23210-rio-grande-building/?tab=comments#comment-337553

At the time, I suggested it might be a matter of interpretation of what Geneva Hine actually said. In her WC testimony, she testified,

"Miss HINE. Yes, sir: I was alone until the lights all went out and the phones became dead because the motorcade was coming near us and no one was calling..."

At the time, I asked if the phones actually went out, or did they just become silent because no one was calling because they were all outside watching the parade?

Of course, that wouldn't explain any long distance calls.

Steve Thomas

8 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

 Out the back door immediately to the left.  Elevator sent immediately back up.

Ron,

Don't forget James Worrell.

And, if the shooters had escaped,  who was doing the elevator sending?

Steve Thomas

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Steve Thomas

10 hours ago, Vince Palamara said:

Then it dawned on me: there have always been periods of inactivity (lulls) in the case, along with ambivalence or worse.

 

Vince,

Interest will dwindle and fade into the dim recesses of time.

Look what happened to interest in Lincoln's assassination. How many people never get past John Wilkes Booth?

It's inevitable and part of human nature.

*shrug*

Steve Thomas

2 hours ago, Colleen McGuire said:

I have listened to the Black Op Radio podcast #963, October 31, 2019, twice regarding John Armstrong’s essay Escape from the 6th Floor and studied the essay for a good 3 hours. 

When I study the floor diagrams provided in John’s essay, the passenger elevator is in the FRONT of the building but the electrical panels are next to the freight elevators in the BACK of the building.  They didn't have cellphones in those days. 

QUESTION:  How exactly did that signaling take place?

Colleen,

I started reading through John's essay, and a couple of things jumped out at me too. I haven't gotten to your question of the "signaling" yet.

http://www.harveyandlee.net/TSBD_Elevator/TSBD_elevator.html

Mr. Ball. Did you stay at your desk?
Mrs. Hines. Yes, sir. I was alone until the lights all went out and the phones became dead

Mrs. Hines wanted to see what had happened so she hurried down the hall to the office of Lyons and Carnahan (see #2-photo below), a publishing company with an office facing Elm Street (follow the green line On 2nd floor diagram below). She knocked on the door but nobody answered. She then hurried to the office of Southwest Publishing, another office that faced Elm Street (see #3-photo below). A young lady was in the office talking on the telephone, but would not answer the door.

One floor below, on the 4th floor, was the office of the Scott Forseman Company. Office workers Sandra Styles, Victoria Adams, Elsie Dorman, and supervisor Dorothy Garner were watching the parade thru their office window.

If the phones became dead, how could another worker be talking on the telephone?

If Geneva Hines was on the 2^nd floor, how could the 4^th floor be one floor below?

Geneva Hines heard the shots and wanted to find out what happened, but in her travels, she walked right passed the elevator and the stairs leading down to the first floor. The "lights were out".  Why didn't she just go outside?

Steve Thomas

6 hours ago, Vince Palamara said:

That was off the top of my head. Officer J.W. Foster was the man.

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/S Disk/Skolnick Sherman Part 1/Item 098.pdf

Vince,

I don't think the patrolman Tague talked to was Foster; at least he didn't speak of talking to Tague in his WC testimony, but I won't quibble about that. He could have talked to Tague and just didn't mention it.

I was interested in this little passage in Foster's testimony. The sergeant in question was D.V. Harkness:

https://www.jfk-assassination.eu/warren/wch/vol6/page251.php

Mr. Ball. Where did you go from there?

Mr. Foster. Went on around the back side of the bookstore.

Mr. Ball. Immediately?

Mr. Foster. Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball. . Back side? What do you mean by that?

Mr. Foster. Well, I guess you would say the northwest side of it.

Mr. BALL. When you got over to the School Book Depository Building, what did you do?

Mr. Foster. I was standing around in back there to see that no one came out, and the sergeant came and got me and we were going to check the---all the railroad cars down there.

Mr. Ball. Who was that sergeant?

Mr. Foster. Sergeant came up there.

Mr. Ball. Did you search the railroad cars?

Mr. Foster. No; he sent me back down to the inspector. Told me to report back to Inspector Sawyer.

Mr. Ball. Where?

Mr. Foster. At the front of the Book Depository.

Mr. Ball. Did you talk to Sawyer there?

Mr. Foster. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did you tell your sergeant or Sawyer, either one where you thought the shots came from?

Mr. Foster. Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball. What did you then tell them?

Mr. Foster. Told them it came from that vicinity up around Elm and Houston.

Mr. Ball. Did you tell the sergeant that first, or did you tell that to Sawyer?

Mr. Foster. Told that to Inspector Sawyer.

Mr. Ball. You told that to Sawyer?

Mr. Foster. Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball. Did you tell that to the sergeant?

Mr. Foster. I don't know whether I told the sergeant that or not.

 

If Foster thought that the shots came from the vicinity of Elm and Houston", why wouldn't he have immediately told Harkness?

And, if he and Harkness were all set to search the railroad cars, why did Harkness instead tell Fotster to go see Sawyer in the front of the TSBD?

Why did Harkness change his mind? Foster must have told Harkness where he thought the shots came from. Why else would he have sent Foster to go see Sawyer?

 

Steve Thomas

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Steve Thomas

6 hours ago, Vince Palamara said:

Wasn't that the Patrolman on the overpass, J.C. White?

Vince,

I don't think so, at least as far as what he told the WC:

https://www.jfk-assassination.eu/warren/wch/vol6/page255.php

Mr. Ball.

What did you do after that?
Mr. WHITE. As soon as the train passed I went over and on the northwest side of the Depository Building. On the northwest side of the book store up there with the rest of the officers and after about 30 minutes they told me to go out and work traffic at Main and Houston, and I stood out there and worked traffic.

 

Steve Thomas

I don't know if others have been experiencing this, but I have not been able to access the McAdams witness statement site for several weeks now.

I ran across another site that provides witness statements in word processing format - at least as far as the Warren Commission is concerned - here:

https://www.jfk-assassination.eu/warren/wch/index.php

Copyright by www.jfk-assassination.com

https://www.jfk-assassination.eu/about.php

For me, word processing format makes it a whole lot easier to cut and paste than pdf format.

Does anyone know if HSCA and/or other Committee reports like the Church Committee are available in Word format?

Steve Thomas

20 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

John,

 In several cases, I have run across references to the the FBI's, "Manual of Instructions". Needless to say, this "Manual" is very big.

I'll keep looking to see if I can find this Manual online.

 

I did just run across a reference that this Manual is four volumes big.

Steve Thomas