Steve Thomas

On 12/20/2019 at 4:49 PM, John Butler said:

Does anyone know what these informant names refer to:

SI 131-S

CG 5824-S or

CG 5324-S

John,

While I can't help you with your specific request, I have done a little bit of research in how to find out about specific classes of informants. In several cases, I have run across references to the the FBI's, "Manual of Instructions". Needless to say, this "Manual" is very big. I'm pretty sure that an SI is a Security Informant.

Here's one instance:

https://archive.org/stream/SecurityInformantProgram/Security%20Informant%20Program/
1201915-0%20-%2066-HQ-2542-3%20-%20Section%2025%20Serial%20%201%20COVER%20SHEETMediaPag_djvu.txt
Memoramum 
to: Mr. Jenkin 
from: T. J. Brownfield^ 

SUGGESTION: When converting an informant from one classification to another^ suggests the FD form (pink sheet) be block stamped 
and made serial 1 of the new informant file. For instance, if a 170 (Extremist Informant) was being converted 
to a 137 (Criminal Informant) and had ten serials, the pink sheet would be serial 1 of the new 137 file and all prior 
serials would not be changed. These would retain the original file and serial numbers. The new 137 file number would be 
added to the 170 index, card in indices. A charge out would be placed in the 170 file indicating the transfer had been made.; 

There's a reference to this "Manual of Instructions" in the Warren Hearings themselves

CE 836 page 819
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1134#relPageId=845&tab=page

I'll keep looking to see if I can find this Manual online.

Steve Thomas

4 hours ago, Lewis Reynolds said:

What was the significance of this other rifle? (other than suggesting two shooters and a conspiracy).

Lewis,

Did anyone ever suggest or testify to two rifles being fired simultaneously or in near real-time proximity to each other from the sixth floor of the TSBD?

If not, then the significance had to be with the rifle and not the shooting. It doesn't suggest two shooters.

I personally believe that the Carcano had to be substituted so it could be matched to the shells, which had been found first and had already been documented and entered into evidence. Somebody had slipped up and planted the wrong caliber shells. The Sheriff's Deputies who found the rifle, testified that it was a Mauser. Once the Dallas City Police Department arrived on the scene, the Sheriff's Deputies were shooed away and sent elsewhere. The Dallas City Police took over the crime scene, and the rifle became a Carcano.

That's my thought.

Steve Thomas

On 12/18/2019 at 10:58 AM, Ron Ecker said:

Tague changed his story after his WC testimony. The unidentified patrolman disappeared.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/21077-james-tague-and-the-disappearing-patrolman/

 

 

Ron,

Thanks for the referral to your 2014 post. That is very interesting.

At the time, Chris Scally suggested that this patrolman might be R.M. Williams.

I don't think so.

According to Purdue Lawrence's traffic assignments, Williams was supposed to patrol on Main from Field St. to Houston.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1137#relPageId=514&tab=page

His ID number identifies him as a motorcyclist. Tague didn't say anything about the patrolman wearing a motorcycle helmet.

Steve Thomas

7 hours ago, Vince Palamara said:

I also believe there was AT LEAST one missed shot.

Vince,

It's always been my contention that the greatest evidence for conspiracy is not the number of shots that hit, but the number of shots that missed.

I was re-reading a couple of noes that I took, and something struck me. James Tague said, "

Mr. TAGUE And I ducked behind the post when I realized somebody was shooting after the third shot. After the third shot, I ducked behind the bridge abutment... And I says, "Well, you know now, I recall something sting me on the face while I was standing down there." And the patrolman said, "Well, I saw something fly off back on the street."

Do you happen to remember off the top of your head, which patrolman Tague was talking to? I'd like to go back and re-read his witness statement.

Steve Thomas

2 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

Because of the work of Dr. John Newman, from what I've read it has come into question whether House Investigator Gaeton Fonzi  and in turn the HSCA as well as many others may have been misled by Antonio Veciana regarding his meeting of Lee Harvey Oswald with David Phillips.  

That Veciana may have instead worked for military or in particular army intelligence as opposed to the CIA.  I'm confused.  Phillips I thought had a documentable CIA pedigree going back into the 50's Though I guess that doesn't preclude him from being involved in MI. 

 

Ron,

I haven't spent a whole lot of time on Veciana, but I came to the personal conclusion that he double crossed Phillips.

Steve Thomas

3 hours ago, John Butler said:

Steve,

Thanks for the reply.  That sounds convincing.  So, IS-R is about intelligence activity involving Oswald.  Next question, is this an FBI code or could it also be a CIA code?

It involves the Mrs. Jack Tippit phone call with this beginning to the report:

URGENT 11-30-63 7-37 PM EST MB

TO DIRECTOR, AND SACS DALLAS AND NEW YORK
FROM SAC, NEW HAVEN /100-18158/
NEW YORK VIA WASHINGTON
LEE HARVEY OSWALD, IS – R

This heading seems to say that this is an important matter which in a period of hours on Nov. 30, from 11:30 AM to 7:37 PM, 1963 travels to Washington and then on to New York and Dallas. The IS-R could then refer to Oswald's time in Russia.  This would mean that someone in Washington is alerting the various offices of the FBI on this matter in order to keep it secret.

At the same time it is being marked Top Secret and not to be declassified.  And, remains so until the days of the ARRB.

John,

I wouldn't say that the IS-R category is specific to Oswald. That's just the category, or subheading that this particular memo about Oswald was filed in. That category was probably used with a lot of other people as well.

With the particular memo you cited; the 11-30-63 number is the date of the memo --- November 30, 1963.

It's a memo from the Special Agent in Charge in New Haven to the Director with copies to the SAC in New York, and probably also to the Washington Field Office. I have no idea what the memo was about.

Steve Thomas

1 hour ago, John Butler said:

Does this sound like a FBI informant code:  IS-R?

John,

I'm pretty sure that IS-R stands for Internal Security - Russia.

It's more like a category than an Informant Code.

I once spent some time trying to figure out why some memos relating to Oswald were labeled IS and some were labeled IS-R.

I wondered if it had something to do with the date the report was written, but that assumption really didn't pan out.

I never really did learn the difference.. I think it had more to do with the person making out the report and whatever quirks they were writing under at the time than anything else.

Steve Thomas

... and witness intimidation and alteration of sworn testimony.

Steve Thomas

Just as an aside, there's a picture of JFK's limo flying down the Stemmons Freeway with a person's foot hanging out the side. Across the Freeway is a man on a roof with a rifle.

I believe that he is one of Mr. Cooper's men. (Cooper was the Head of Security for the Trade Mart).

DPD Archives Box 14, Folder# 4, Item# 10, page 5

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box14.htm

This is the after-action report of Batchelor, Lumpkin and Stevenson:

Steve Thomas

On 2/16/2019 at 1:15 AM, Bill Simpich said:

 I am also wondering about my ID of Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro as probably DL 282-S, if you have any thoughts on that.   I would love to button it down, but I can't quite do it.

Bill,

I believe that you are right about Manuel Rodriguez Arcarberro being informant DL 282-S, but my evidence is circumstantial.

[No Title] page 2  This is a 1966 memo from Wallace Heitman. As you and others have pointed out, "T" informants are transactional, and only relate to that particular informant, at that particular time, in that particular case.

Information about Informant DL 282-S can be found in the Dallas case file DL 134-332

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=194594&relPageId=2&search=%22DL_134-332%22

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=174523&relPageId=2&search=%22DL_134-332%22

[No Title] page 2 shows us that Dallas case file DL 134-332 consists of one volume. Sub-file 134-332-A also consists of one volume.

HARON_FBIREC.TBL page 28

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=213423&search=%22DL_134-332%22#relPageId=28&tab=page

tells us that DL 282-S is a Dallas informant that dealt with Alpha 66 matters and case file 134-332 can be found in response to ARRB request# FBI-20.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=202873&relPageId=1&search=DL_282

FBISUMRY_FBI20.WPD page 1

shows that Dallas case file DL 134-442 contains memos from Wallas Heitman concerning meetings of the Dallas Chapter of Alpha-66 that took place at the home of Jorge Salazar.

Finally, the following memo tells us that 282-S moved to Puerto Rico in 1972. Case file 134-332 was then closed. We'd have to learn if Orcarberro moved to Puerto Rico in 1972.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10146&relPageId=15&search=DL_282

ADMIN FOLDER-L2: HSCA ADMINISTRATIVE FOLDER, JACK ANDERSON COLUMN MLK-JFK page 15

Steve Thomas

On 2/16/2019 at 1:15 AM, Bill Simpich said:

Steve, do you know anything about Enrique Varona?   He appears to be a Dallas resident - no reason to believe he is a relation to Tony Varona.   But what groups was he with, that kind of thing?   I am also wondering about my ID of Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro as probably DL 282-S, if you have any thoughts on that.   I would love to button it down, but I can't quite do it.

Bill.

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32180962.pdf

On 11/23/63, Wallace Heitman reached out to Enrique Varona, Manuel Perez, and William Hsuek to see if they had any information on this matter.

I believe that this should be William Hsueh (from page 782 of the 1961 City Directory)

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth806907/m1/1118/zoom/?resolution=2&lat=2621.5&lon=684

Varona is not in the 1961 Dallas City Directory.

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32328737.pdf

is a May 5, 1964 report from Heitman

shows Varona as Dallas PSI T-1 and cross references him with the SNFE and a report out of Miami filed by SA William Drew out of Miami in February of 1964

Cross references file 105-112098-443

(105-112098 is the Bureau File on Alpha 66 and the SNFE. 443 is Osvaldo Pino Pino)

Steve Thomas

Published in The Virginian Pilot on Nov.10, 2019

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/pilotonline/obituary.aspx?n=winston-g-lawson&pid=194399504

“Winston G. Lawson, 91, of Virginia Beach died Thursday at Lake Taylor Transitional Hospital in Norfolk. He was born in western New York to Cecile Lawson (nee Post) and Merle Lawson.

After graduating from high school in Buffalo he headed at age 16 to the University of Buffalo, graduating in 4 years with a History and Government degree.”

Not one word in his obituary about JFK.

“During the Korean War he served in Army Counterintelligence. After the war he used that experience to join the United States Secret Service where he served under 7 Presidents from Eisenhower to Reagan. Some of his favorite memories are from his time guarding Vice Presidents Humphrey and Agnew.

After a long and distinguished career in which he rose to Acting Assistant Director he retired and went on to serve another 10 years with the intelligence community.

Following that career he worked for Reverends Billy and Franklin Graham doing security around the world.”

Like Vince, I wonder why the almost one month delay before Lawsons's death was picked up by CNN and the NYT.

Steve Thomas

CNN is reporting that Winston Lawson has died at age 91.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/07/us/winston-lawson-secret-service-agent-obit/index.html

Steve Thomas

5 hours ago, Bob Ness said:

The hosts should be able to sort this out. The disallow is supposed to keep disallowed bots from visiting the pages on the site.

Bob,

Is this what a Denial of Service attack is all about?

Steve Thomas

1 hour ago, Michael Clark said:

Is there a way to sort posts by number ov views? It should be apparent which thread or post has been linked or loaded into a bot.

Michael,

I was curious to know if you could see what threads guests are looking at.

One guest user is looking at something called "robots.txt" The info in that thread reads,

User-agent: *
Crawl-delay: 30

User-agent: AlphaBot
Disallow: /

User-agent: AlphaSeoBot
Disallow: /

User-agent: AlphaSeoBot-SA
Disallow: /

User-agent: AhrefsBot 
Disallow: /

User-agent: Yandex 
Disallow: /

I have no idea what that means.

Steve Thomas

4 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

Interesting that Whitmeyer was Deputy to Colonel Marshall. 

Paul,

Just a little something I picked up a little while ago. It definitely answers the questions I've had concerning what the "East Texas Sector Command" was all about, and what Whitmeyer's chain of command would have been. Major General William R. Calhoun assumed command of the VIIIth Corps in April, 1963.

(Also, read that last sentence in the second column, just before the paragraphs about Major Army installations concerning the Army providing "Advisors"...)

Texas Almanac 1961-1962 Page 356-357

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth117140/m1/359/

The U.S. Army OCS Alumni Association (My note: The date when Wright was the Advisor to the VIII Corps East Texas Sector is unknown).

The US Army OCS Hall of Fame

https://ocsalumni.org/at_biz_dir/billy-j-wright/

Billy J. Wright

Colonel Billy J. Wright was commissioned an Infantry Officer upon graduation from Officer Candidate School 6 March 1956, class number 12. His first duty assignment was as Platoon Leader, 702nd Armd Infantry Battalion, 1st Armd Division, Fort Polk, Louisiana.
His subsequent duty assignments include: Co Exec Off, 702nd Armd Inf Bn, 1st Armd Div, Fort Polk, LA; Company Commander, Co Exec Off, 48th Inf, 6th Inf, 1st Armd Div,
Fort Polk, LA; Platoon Leader, Scout Platoon Leader, Commander, Co B, 1st Bn, 54th Inf, 4th Armd Div, USAREUR; USAR Advisor, East Texas Sector, VIII U.S. Army Corps, Austin, Texas; S3, 1st Bn, 73rd Armor, Korea; Asst G-2, 1-1st Abn Div, Fort Campbell, Kentucky; Asst G-3, II Field Force, Vietnam; Asst G3, Headquarters, Central Army Group (NATO), Germany; Commander, 4th Bn, 35^th

Armor, 1st Armd Div, Germany; Inspector General, Office of the Inspector General, DA, Washington, D.C.; G3, Chief of Staff, 1st Cavalry Div,
Fort Hood, Texas; Commander, 1st (Tiger)  Brigade, 2d Armd Div, Fort Hood, Texas.
His awards and decorations include: ARCOM W/3 Oak Leaf Cluster, MSM, Bronze Star Medal.

• Rank Colonel

• Graduated From Fort Benning, Georgia

• Year Inducted 1979

• Branch Of Service Infantry

• HF ID # HF_00957

Steve Thomas

In an article in the Abilene Reporter News, November 17, 1965 page 2.

https://newspaperarchive.com/abilene-reporter-news-nov-17-1965-p-61/

it reads:

“Accompanying Colonel Offer to Abilene were Colonel John F. Marshall, East Texas Sector Commander for VIII Corps and Lt. Col. Al Hagler, both of Dallas.”

“Col. Offer and Col Marshall are Regular Army Officers, while Col. Hagler is a Reservist.”

Reading that article, it appears that Col. Marshall would have been Whitmeyer’s boss.

Dallas Morning News 11-16-1965

Lt. Col. George L. Whitmeyer, deputy East Texas sector commander

(both newspaper articles are from the same week in November, 1965. One refers to Marshall as the Commander, and the other refers to Whitmeyer as the Deputy Commander of the VIII Corps East Texas Sector).

Alvin Rook Hagler

http://kwwl.tributes.com/obituary/print_selections/94703770?type=6

HAGLER, ALVIN ROOK beloved father, grandfather, brother, and friend went to be with the Lord on November 6, 2012. Alvin was born on a farm in Joshua, Texas, on September 5th, 1924. He was the fifth of six sons born to Ollie and Lalla Hagler.
Alvin graduated from high school in Joshua in 1942 and then enrolled in Texas A&M College. During the spring of his freshman year (1943), he was called up to serve in World War II. Alvin was stationed in England and toured Germany and most of Western Europe in B-17 bombers as a navigator until 1945. After his service, he returned to Texas A&M College and aggressively sought his bachelor degree in Civil Engineering. He graduated in February of 1948. Alvin continued to serve in the National Guard and Army Reserves until 1968 reaching the rank of Lt Colonel.
Alvin married Frances Woodrum of Wichita Falls in December of 1948. He first went to work for Inge Hayman Construction building an addition to Baylor Hospital. Al & Frances together started Hagler Construction Company in 1950 where he continued to work until 2012.

1961 Dallas City Directory page 655

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth806907/m1/991/zoom/?resolution=2.0046263236843456&lat=3616.850886515829&lon=711.9120998499981

Steve Thonas

On 11/27/2019 at 11:26 AM, James DiEugenio said:

This was my presentation at CAPA.

I had not been to one of these in about three years.  But since Oliver went, so did I.  As most of you know, I have been working on Kennedy's foreign policy for about the last 5-6 years.  Since Oliver was there, I switched back to my old topic.  There are some things in this that I had never brought up at any conference.

 

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/the-fbi-jfk-and-jim-garrison

Jim,

From slide 34 of your presentation...

From Oswald’s Daily Diary October 28, 1959

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/historicdiary.htm

"Oct. 28(con.) Rima notifies me that pass & registration office wishes to see me about my future. Later Rima and car pick me up and we enter the offices to find four officials waiting for me (all unknown to me).... They ask "Do you want to go to your homeland." I say no I want Soviet citizen. I say I want to reside in the Soviet Union. They say they will see about that… What papers do you have to show who and what you are? I give them my discharge papers from the Marine Corps."

This bothers me, and I can't explain why.

Steve Thomas

On 12/1/2019 at 7:02 AM, Steve Thomas said:

I have suggested that George Whitmeyer taught Army intelligence at the 4150th School in Dallas, where he lived and where George Lumpkin was the Commandant.

It's also possible that he might have taught at the 5th Army Intelligence School at Camp Bullis at Fort Sam Houston outside of San Antonio.

 

I need to do more research.

Steve Thomas

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Steve Thomas

Army Reserve Training Schools in Texas:

Army Reserve Magazine, Volume 42, Number 4, Spring, 1997, p. 30.

https://books.google.com/books?id=PDtjbPONlngC&pg=RA9-PT1&lpg=RA9-PT1&dq=4166th+USAR+Training+School&source=bl&ots=gcmAGl3HwU&sig=ACfU3U2cMIIch3_2qi8R9xRRzYBf2XEfjA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjHkYfygpTmAhXJTN8KHR0CA_IQ6AEwAnoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=4166th USAR Training School&f=false

FY 97 Army Reserve Unit Inactivation List

I have suggested that George Whitmeyer taught Army intelligence at the 4150th School in Dallas, where he lived and where George Lumpkin was the Commandant.

It's also possible that he might have taught at the 5th Army Intelligence School at Camp Bullis at Fort Sam Houston outside of San Antonio.

https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/qbc06

CAMP BULLIS. Camp Bullis, a United States Army field training area and firing range complex, lies sixteen miles north-northwest of downtown San Antonio in Bexar County and occupies 28,000 acres northeast of the intersection of Interstate Highway 10 and Loop 1604. Camp Bullis and the adjacent Camp Stanley make up the Leon Springs Military Reservation which grew out of the army’s need for firing ranges and maneuver areas.

During the World War I, as troops strength at Fort Sam Houston and Camp Travis soared beyond 50,000, the army leased 15,427 more acres south of the original reservation and began adding training facilities. In the western part of the reservation, there were cantonments for cavalry and field artillery—Camp Samuel F. B. Morse (a Signal Corps training camp), a remount station, and an officer training camp. The latter conducted three training cycles to produce junior officers. A tent camp was set up near the Scheele Ranch on the leased land for the Ninetieth Division troops mobilizing at Camp Travis. In September 1917 the Ninetieth Division designated this tent camp as Camp Bullis in honor of Brig. Gen. John Lapham Bullis, noted Indian fighter and leader of the Black Seminole Scouts. In October of that year, the War Department designated the facilities in the western part of the reservation as Camp Stanley in honor of Brig. Gen. David S. Stanley, Medal of Honor recipient during the Civil War.

I need to do more research.

USARFS stands for United States Army Reserve Forces School.

Steve Thomas

19 minutes ago, Jake Hammond said:

The YouTube video ‘ Lee Harvey Oswald on the radio / august 1963’ . There are lots of examples but 15m - 15.20 is a good one . This guy sounds like he is from a Eastern European country, or German. I know New Orleans have a strong accent but this doesn’t sound like that . He sounds eastern/ Baltic European 

I jotted down some notes about the Baltic angle a while back. I haven't reached a conclusion, but the clues, to me, are tantalizing.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/oswald_m1.htm

WC testimony February 3, 1964

Mr. RANKIN. Did you know that Lee Oswald was an American when you first met him?
Mrs. OSWALD. I found that out at the end of that party, towards the end of that party, when I was first introduced to him, I didn't know that.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/hscamar1.htm

HSCA testimony 1977?

Mrs. PORTER. No, I didn't. When he asked to dance, we just talked very little.
Mr. McDONALD. Did he tell you he was an American?
Mrs. PORTER. No, not at that--not during the dancing, no.
Mr. McDONALD. At this time you were speaking in Russian together?
Mrs. PORTER. Yes. He spoke with accent so I assumed he was maybe from another state, which is customary in Russia. People from other states do speak with accents because they do not speak Russian. They speak different languages.
Mr. McDONALD. So when you say another state, you mean another Russian state?
Mrs. PORTER. Yes, like Estonia, Lithuania, something like that.
Mr. McDONALD. Did you suspect at all that he was an American?
Mrs. PORTER. No, not at all.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/demohr_g.htm

Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. That is right, it is spelled this way. That is a Swedish way of spelling. And the letter "o" with two dots over it is a typical Swedish letter which cannot be translated or written down in any language. So in probably moving to Russia, or to the Baltic States, you see, which was an intermediary area between Russia and Sweden, they probably changed it to S-c-h-i- l-d-t. And it can also be written in Russian, at the same time.

Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes--because I am more or less of a French orientation. And when I became an American citizen, I did not like the prefix "Von" which is German to the average person. And so we used "De" which is equally used in Sweden or in the Baltic States, interchangeably.

Mr. JENNER. Sometimes people refer to you as Baron De Mohrenschildt.
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Would you explain that?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. I don't refer to myself as that, you know. But supposedly the family has the right to it, because we are members of the Baltic nobility.
Mr. JENNER. Through what source?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Through the Swedish source, from the time of Queen Christina

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/bouhe.htm

Mr. BOUHE - I never discussed a membership in any organization or hunting club. But I now remember that when I asked him after the week's work is done, what do you do--"Well, the boys and I go and hunt duck."
And he said, "ducklings". The reason why I remember it is because he didn't say "duck," but he said in Russian the equivalent of "duckys-duckys".
Mr. LIEBELER - He used the Russian word that was not the precise word to describe duck?
Mr. BOUHE - Yes; but a man going shooting would not use it. He spoke in Russian and did not try to get the Russian word exactly.

Mr. LIEBELER - Did you speak to Oswald in the Russian language from time to time?
Mr. BOUHE - Yes; I did.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you form an impression as to his command of that language?
Mr. BOUHE - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - What was that impression?
Mr. BOUHE - A very strange assortment of words. Grammatically not perfect, but an apparent ease to express himself in that language.

Mr. LIEBELER - Did Oswald's command of the Russian language seem to be about what you would expect from him, having been in Russia for that period of time? Would you say it was good?
Mr. BOUHE - I would say very good.
Mr. LIEBELER - You think he had a good command of the language, considering the amount of time he had spent in Russia?
Mr. BOUHE - Sir, for everyday conversations, yes. But I think that if I would have asked him to write, I would think he would have difficulty.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/raigorod.htm

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Well, from what I understand, George De Mohrenschildt comes from what we call by-the-Baltic Germans.
Mr. JENNER. What is--by-the-Baltic Germans?
Mr. RAIGORODSKY. The by-the-Baltic Germans are Germans that lived by the Baltic Sea and they were Russians or rather, Russiafied Germans and they were in the service of the Czar for generations and generations and were considered Russians. Most of them were barons, you know, and I don't know whether George's family were or not, but the "de" Mohrenschildt signifies that his family had a title.
Mr. JENNER. That's the "de"?
Mr. RAIGORODSKY. The "de"---yes; it signifies that.

Etymology

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_states

The term "Baltic" stems from the name of the Baltic Sea – a hydronym dating back to the 11th century (Adam of Bremen mentioned Latin: Mare Balticum) and earlier. Although there are several theories about its origin, most ultimately trace it to Indo-European root *bhel[4] meaning white, fair. This meaning is retained in modern Baltic languages, where baltas (in Lithuanian) and balts (in Latvian) mean "white".[5] However the modern names of the region and the sea, that originate from this root, were not used in either of the two languages prior to the 19th century.[6]

Since the Middle Ages, the Baltic Sea has appeared on maps in Germanic languages as the equivalent of "East Sea": German: Ostsee, Danish: Østersøen, Dutch: Oostzee, Swedish: Östersjön, etc. Indeed, the Baltic Sea mostly lies to the east of Germany, Denmark, Norway, and Sweden. The term was historically also used to refer to Baltic Dominions of the Swedish Empire (Swedish: Östersjöprovinserna) and, subsequently, the Baltic governorates of the Russian Empire (Russian: Остзейские губернии, romanized: Ostzejskie gubernii).[6] The terms related to modern name "Baltic" appear in ancient texts, but had fallen in disuse until reappearing as the adjective "Baltisch" in German, from which it was adopted in other languages.[7] During the 19th century, "Baltic" started to supersede "Ostsee" as the name for the region. Officially, its Russian equivalent "Прибалтийский" ("Pribaltiyskiy") was first used in 1859.[6] This change was a result of the Baltic German elite adopting terms derived from the stem "Baltic" to refer to themselves.[7][8]

The term "Baltic states" was, until the early 20th century, used in the context of countries neighboring the Baltic Sea: Sweden and Denmark, sometimes also Germany and the Russian Empire. With the advent of Foreningen Norden (the Nordic Associations), the term was no longer used for Sweden and Denmark.[9][10] After World War I, the new sovereign states that emerged on the east coast of the Baltic Sea – Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and during the Interwar period, Finland – became known as the "Baltic states".[7]

Posted in the Education Forum by Jack White April 2, 2010

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/15686-did-harvey-return-from-russia/page/3/

“I am still doing comparisons of the Russian LHO with the Dallas LHO. Some depict the same person, some do not. The point is...we do not really know what the variety of LHOs in Russia represents...a substitute or doctored photos, or both. But the photos show something suspicious was going on. This leaves us to wonder...did the fake defector Harvey return to the US, or was a Russian impostor substituted for the US impostor?

Jack”

Steve Thomas

5 hours ago, Jake Hammond said:

 I am not familiar with the accents of 1950’s New Orleans residents but ... in his radio interview on the fair play for Cuba LHO has moments where his accent and sentence structure sound VERY much like that of German or Eastern European’s . Having a brother in Germany, Russian wife and having lived in London for ten years I have some experience here. 

 

Jake,

Is it possible that Oswald may have been a by-the-Baltic Russian?

Steve Thomas

5 hours ago, Anthony Mugan said:

Hello all.

I've been attempting to locate a review of the extent to which the search of the TSBD on the afternoon the 22nd November 1963 was thorough or not, but not really getting a clear picture of it.

On the one hand there are pictures of officers looking into various nooks and crannies and various individual accounts but against that a lot of officers seem to have left the area after news of the Tippit shooting came through.

In particular I am interested in if there is a documentary record anywhere as to what was or wasn't searched and perhaps in particular if the larger wooden crates (as opposed to the smaller book boxes) that get referred to were opened up and searched.

Anthony,

I can't help with your crates search question, but it seems to me that, if anything, there was an over abundance of people searching the TSBD. I'm surprised they didn't trip over each other. As Jack Revill told the WC,

" Mr. REVILL. Myself and Lieutenant Frank Dyson took charge of the search of the building and we must have had 75 or 80 men in the building assisting in this search."

Weren,'t there also dogs assisting in the search? I don't know how many floors they took the dogs through, or if they were just limited to the 7th floor.

Steve Thomas

Would the 4150^th ARSU USAR Training School in Dallas also have come under the VIII Army Corps? I would suggest that records relating to Whitmeyer's, Lumpkin's and Boise Smith's Army Reserve activities could be found in the VIII Army Corps records.

There is more to this next web page. I am only including this portion for demonstration purposes.

Government Accountability Office

https://www.gao.gov/3/fl0013519.php

B-160194, JAN. 18, 1967

B-160194, JAN. 18, 1967

TO MR. ALLEN D. DEVENPORT:

FURTHER REFERENCE IS MADE TO YOUR LETTER OF SEPTEMBER 20, 1966, CONCERNING THE ACTION TAKEN BY OUR CLAIMS DIVISION IN SETTLEMENT DATED SEPTEMBER 15, 1966, WHICH DISALLOWED YOUR CLAIM FOR PAY FOR TRAINING ASSEMBLIES ATTENDED DURING THE PERIOD OCTOBER 1, 1963, TO FEBRUARY 28, 1964, AT LUBBOCK U.S. ARMY RESERVE SCHOOL, AMARILLO, TEXAS.

YOUR CLAIM FOR PAY FOR TRAINING ASSEMBLIES ATTENDED DURING THE PERIOD IN QUESTION IS BASED ON SPECIAL ORDERS NO. 197, DATED SEPTEMBER 24, 1965, HEADQUARTERS, VIII U.S. ARMY CORPS, AUSTIN, TEXAS (PARAGRAPHS 5 AND 6), CONFIRMING PURPORTED VERBAL ORDERS OF THE COMMANDING GENERAL DATED OCTOBER 1, 1963, AUTHORIZING WAIVER FOR ASSIGNMENT OF WARRANT OFFICER MOS INSTRUCTORS, AND RELIEVING YOU (AND CHIEF WARRANT OFFICER ALLEN J. MCCARTY, W2), FROM YOUR DUTIES AS CHIEF WARRANT OFFICER, W-3, WITH THE 4222D USAR, LOGISTIC COMMAND, AMARILLO, TEXAS, AND ASSIGNING YOU (RETROACTIVELY TO OCTOBER 1, 1963) TO THE 4166TH ARSU LUBBOCK USAR SCHOOL, AMARILLO, TEXAS, AS A WARRANT OFFICER MOS INSTRUCTOR AT THAT SCHOOL. PARAGRAPH 6 OF THOSE ORDERS WHICH DIRECTED YOUR ATTACHMENT TO THE USAR SCHOOL SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT ITS PURPOSE IS FOR "RESERVE DUTY TRAINING FOR RETIREMENT POINTS ONLY.'

http://yanceyfamilygenealogy.org/tryhist.htm

Maj. Gen. Thomas R. Yancey, was promoted to brigadier general and assigned to the headquarters of the Allied Forces of Southern Europe in Naples, Italy. After three years of duty in Italy, he returned to the States as commanding general of the 2nd Infantry Brigade at Fort Devens, Mass. He was promoted to major general in 1961 and assigned to command the VIII United States Army Corps in Austin, Texas. From July of 1963 to August of 1965, Gen. Yancey served as chief of the United States Military Advisory Group to Korea.

https://theworldsmilitaryhistory.wikia.org/wiki/VIII_United_States_Army_Corps

Commanding Generals of the VIII Unites States Army Corps:

Beginning date:

From Robert Howard in the Education Forum 2/11/2011

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?/topic/3059-lt-col-george-whitmayer/&page=2
 

Dallas Morning News  11-16-1965

(no url is given)

10 Dallas reserve Units Included In Inactivation

By Gene Ormsby

“Fourteen Army Reserve units in Dallas, including 10 in the 90th Infantry Division, are scheduled to be inactivated immediately, Major Gen. William R. Calhoun commander of the Eighth U.S. Army Corps said Monday in Austin.”

“Lt. Col. George L. Whitmeyer, deputy East Texas sector commander said the same units were listed more than a month ago by Defense Secretary Robert S. McNamara as the ones to be disbanded.

McNamara announced at that time that the 90th Infantry Division would be disbanded. Whitmeyer said he had not received confirmation of the orders from Gen. Calhoun, but said they could take place in the next two to three months”
 

In an article in the Abilene Reporter News, November 17, 1965

https://newspaperarchive.com/abilene-reporter-news-nov-17-1965-p-61/

it reads:

“Accompanying Colonel Offer to Abilene were Colonel John F. Marshall, East Texas Sector Commander for VIII Corps and Lt. Col. Al Hagler, both of Dallas.”

“Col. Offer and Col Marshall are Regular Army Officers, while Col. Hagler is a Reservist.”

Reading that article, it appears that Col. Marshall would have been Whitmeyer’s boss.

Dallas Morning News 11-16-1965

Lt. Col. George L. Whitmeyer, deputy East Texas sector commander

(both newspaper articles are from the same week in November, 1965. One refers to Marshall as the Commander, and the other refers to Whitmeyer as the Deputy Commander of the VIII Corps East Texas Sector).

Whitmeyer, who "taught army intelligence" and Lumpkin , who was the Commandant of the 4150th U.S. Army Reserve Training School in Dallas.

Steve Thomas

48 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

On his September, 1959 passport application. LHO identifies Marguerite C. Oswald as his mother

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1317#relPageId=108&tab=page

page 78.

How can he forget her name 4 months later in 1960?

 

Just as an aside, in looking at this 1959 passport application, did somebody mess up his birth date?

Look at the line just above his picture.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1317#relPageId=108&tab=page

page 77.

 

Steve Thomas

I misspoke earlier.

September 9, 1959 (his passport) and January 4, 1960 (his resident application in Moscow) are only 4 months apart.

That birth date entry on his passport application looks to me like it read 10/25/39 at one time.

Also, as an aside, look at the postcard Marguerite (supposedly) sent Lee from Vernon, TX in 1961.

CE 68-B in vol. XVI

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1133#relPageId=253&tab=page

page 229

The name of the person sending the postcard has been scratched out.

What's that all about?

For a brief, fleeting second I wondered if Margaret Keating Oswald might have been LHO's real mother. I don't have any evidence for this, but is it possible that Robert Edward Lee went back and had an affair with his first wife in early 1939? Margaret and Marguerite both lived in New Orleans.

Steve Thomas