I have found 4 instances of Marina Oswald either testifying to or insinuating that the Oswalds were living on Neely St. in January, 1963.

(1) Warren Commission testimony of Marina Oswald February 3, 1964,

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/oswald_m1.htm

Mr. RANKIN. Do you recall seeing any guns at Mercedes Street while you were there?
Mrs. OSWALD. No.

Mr. RANKIN. Did you observe any guns in your things when you moved? (From Fort Worth to Elsbeth)
Mrs. OSWALD. No.

Mr. RANKIN. While you were at Elsbeth Street do you recall seeing any guns in your apartment?
Mrs. OSWALD. No.

 

Mr. RANKIN. When did you move to Neely Street from the Elsbeth Street apartment?

Mrs. OSWALD. In January after the new year. I don't remember exactly.

 

Mr. RANKIN. Do you recall the first time that you observed the rifle?
Mrs. OSWALD. That was on Neely Street. I think that was in February.

For whatever reason, this can't be true. The Oswalds moved from Elsbeth to Neely on March 3^rd and according to the postal money order, the rifle wasn't ordered until March 12^th.

 

(2) Two weeks later, Marina told the FBI on February 17, 1964 that she saw Oswald practicing with the rifle at the Neely Street address in the beginning of January, 1963 and that he had been cleaning the rifle that same day.

CD 735 page 441

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11133#relPageId=450&tab=page

At the bottom of CD 735, there is the handwritten notation “CE 1156”.

This interview was conducted by FBI Agents, Anatole Buguslav and Wallace Heitman.

 

(CE 1156 Warren Commission Hearings, Volume XXII p. 197).

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1317#relPageId=227&tab=page

CE 1156 is confusing because it includes this information in an interview the FBI conducted of Marina on January 29 1964 and dated February 1, 1964.

This January 29^th interview was conducted by FBI Agents, Richard Wiehl and Wallace Heitman.

But

On February 18, 1964 the FBI agents went back to Marina at the offices of her attorney, and said, “Uh, we’ve got a problem. You told us yesterday that you saw Lee cleaning his rifle in January, but he didn’t buy it until March”.

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1317#relPageId=815

 

On February 18, 1964 she told the FBI that she was mistaken on February 17^th about the date, and that the rifle cleaning incident had really taken place in March, 1963.

That suggests three possibilities:

a) she was genuinely mistaken about the date; or,

b) the FBI caught her in a lie and confronted her; or,

c) that since her statement of the 17^th was already part of the official record, the FBI went back to her and helped her coordinate her story to set the record straight.

 

(3) Marina told the WC that she first met Ruth Paine at a party in January, but the party didn’t take place until February 22, 1963

 

Mr. RANKIN. Can you tell us approximately when you first met Ruth Paine?
Mrs. OSWALD. Soon after New Years I think it was in January.
Mr. RANKIN. Would that be 1963?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.

 

Mr. RANKIN. Did Mrs. Paine ever visit you at Elsbeth Street?
Mrs. OSWALD. At Neely, on Neely Street.
Mr. RANKIN. But not at Elsbeth?
Mrs. OSWALD. We moved soon after that acquaintance.

 

(4) Here is the translation of CE993, Marina's Narrative of life with Lee:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1135#relPageId=610&tab=page

 

I started reading this narrative, and was immediately struck by how similar it is in linguistic style to Oswald's Daily Diary. Read his entry for October 21st, when he attempts "suicide" to the sound of violins playing. https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/pdf/WH16_CE_24.pdf

 

One other thing struck me. On pp. 626-627, she writes of moving to Neely St. after New Years, and then writes of meeting Ruth Paine.

Officially, she met Ruth on February 22nd, prior to her Neely St. move.

Is Marina once again putting herself on Neely St. in January, when they didn't actually move there until March?

 

Ruth Paine's testimony before the WC:

Mr. JENNER - Now you are acquainted, became acquainted with Marina Oswald, did you not, in due course in Irving, Tex.?
Mrs. PAINE - No. I first met her and her husband at a gathering of people in Dallas at the home of Everett Glover.
Mr. JENNER - I will get to that in a moment.

Mr. JENNER - You met Marina for the first time when.
Mrs. PAINE - I judge it was the last of February, towards the end of February of 1963.

Mr. JENNER - Now would you please relate the circumstances under which the meeting between yourself and Marina Oswald first occurred in February of 1963.
Mrs. PAINE - I was invited to come to the home of Everett Glover to meet a few friends of his, and I Judge that was on the 22d of February looking back at my calendar.

Mrs. PAINE - It was Friday evening.
Mr. JENNER - Friday evening?
Mrs. PAINE - The 22d was Friday

 

It's a puzzle.

 

Steve Thomas

 

19 hours ago, Paul Jolliffe said:

 

At the end of his book "Oswald in New Orleans" (another gem well worth slogging through) Weisberg actually interviewed L. Robert Castorr in Washington D.C. Castorr denied having anything to do with the above, and left open the possibility that his name had been used by others. Weisberg did not reach any firm conclusions in print. One of my regrets is that in my phone conversations with him in his final decade, I did not ask Weisberg about Castorr.

Paul,

 

Here are some notes I have about Castorr. He is one of those Reserve Colonels that have made this case so interesting to me:

Merrill's Marauders, China/Burma connection, oil and gas industry, anti-Castro Cubans... the list goes on.

St. Louis Post-Dispatch from St. Louis, Missouri

October 2, 1967 Page 16.

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/142274942/

 

The Federal Government is attempting "to make you a scapegoat for . . . high food prices, " members of the Missouri Retail Grocers Association were told today. ' L. Robert Castorr, assistant to the president of the National Federation of Independent Business, told the grocers at their convention here that consumers are "paying through the nose because of the labor and tax policies" of the Government He urged grocers to place advertisements indicating the exact amount of money taken by taxes for each item sold. Castorr also urged the independent grocers here to oppose "the advent of the cooperative store." He said that the co-operative concept is ...”

 

The Express from Lock Haven, Pennsylvania ·

November 18, 1969

Page 2

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/5749791/

 

The formation of National Taxation, Inc., was announced today as a non-profit organization of taxpayers and taxpayer organizations with the declared aim of providing a voice in Washington for "the guy who pays the bill." Elected president was Col. L. Robert Castorr, retired army officer and former executive of the United States Chamber of Commerce and regional supervisor of the National Federation of Independent Business. Castorr said the so-called revolt of the taxpayers is "the greatest grassroots movement of our times." Taxpayer pressure cannot bring instant tax relief, he said in a statement, but "can slow the spending spree and over a period of time can restore fiscal responsibility." Taxaction's 18-member board of governors includes Dr. Emerson P. Schmidt, former chief economist of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce; E. Edward Stephens, tax lawyer and columnist; Arthur B. Brandt Jr., Bloomfield Hill, Mich., Dr. William Steuart McBirnie, Glendale, Calif., and Dr. Hans Senn- holz, economist at Grove City College, Pa.

The Cincinnati Enquirer from Cincinnati, Ohio

June 23, 1966

Page 23

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/104334059/

 

WASHINGTON A National Federation of Independent Business official Monday charged that the National Commission on Food Marketing has failed-in its authorized purpose to find why food prices go up while farmers get less of the increase. L. Robert Castorr, retired Air Force colonel and assistant to the president of the organization, in a prepared address before the Pennsylvania Retail Grocer's Association, has likened the commission's task to a certain bungling government researcher. The researcher, Colonel Castorr . said, trained an eight-legged flea to Jump over a matchstick on command. Then, progressively pulled off a pair of legs of the flea, until the flea failed to respond when told to jump. The researcher raised his voice, but without response from the flea. "So this staff researcher then prepared a report to the Congress stating that fleas with only two legs are completely stone deaf," Colonel Castorr said. . He warned the grocers to beware of efforts to make the retailers ' "scapegoats" in the controversy over the spread in prices (between what the) consumer pays and the farmer receives. He noted that 42 states levy inventory taxes, declaring that the "farmer is not told that such a tax increases the spread between farm and consumer price. The housewife is not told this increases her grocery bill. It is quite doubtful that the National Commission on Food Marketing will explain this either." In addition, Colonel Castorr contended that the commission report which Is due July 1, would not explain that in a unionized food store it may cost the store one-third as much as it gets for the can of food in order to pay a boy union wages to stock the goods on shelves. Critical of the "truth in packaging" proposals, Colonel Castorr suggested .placing on packaging the tax and labor costs as well, efforts to end "special deal packs" from "monoply-minded manufacturers."

From David Boylan in the Education Forum 5/18/2006

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?/topic/6807-john-singlaub-and-the-chinese-connection/&page=2

John Singlaub and the Chinese Connection

LUCIEN CONEIN

Lucien Emile Conein (born, November 29, 1919), a veteran of the French Foreign Legion, described his military career: "Starting as a recruit I September 1941, was advanced to a Non-Commissioned Officer in 1942, and later chosen for Officer Candidate School February 1943. Graduated and commissioned 2nd Lieutenant February (OSS) on July 26, 1943. Served European Theater of Operations October 1943, to December 1944. Parachuted behind enemy lines in civilian clothes, France, August 1944. Transferred China, Burma, India Theater, February 1945. Assigned German occupation February 1947 to August 1953, as an intelligence officer. 1953 to 1956 served as U.S. Military advisory group, Vietnam, as intelligence and operations officer."

The Mexia Daily News from Mexia, Texas · Page 1

November 7, 1957

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/11876796/

Mexia Man Receives Appointment Earl McKeilh, (center) is pictured with L. Robert Castorr, of Dallas, Southwestern division manager of the National Federation of Independent Business, and Si N. Meadow, district manager of the organization from Austin.

“Earl McKeith was coming out of a local bank Tuesday and came face to face with a man who was one of his fellow Army officers in the early thirties. Earl didn't recognize him but L. Robert Castorr, of Dallas, immediately grabbed Earl's arm and said "I know you." Mr. Castorr. who is now a- colonel in the Active Reserve serving as inspector and advisor to the 90th Division in Texas., and Mr. McKeith, a Reserve. Army captain, were first lieutenants when they served with each other in the Second Infantry Division. They last saw each other in 1930. Col. Castorr served with Merrill's Marauders in Burma during World War II.” “Mr. Meadow was accompanied to Mexia by L. Robert Castorr, the Southwestern division manager for the National Federation of Independent Business. Mr. Castorr formerly served in the U. S. Army with Mr. McKeilh.”

From David Boylan in the Education Forum May 18, 2006

 

 

 

 

“And the Burma connection. I had some info (but lost it ) that Nestor Sanchez was also in Burma. Here's some notes on two others that were in Burma:

Harold Weisberg’s Grand Jury testimony on the History matters website. – Col Castorr. Harold describes Castorr as “political agent who is keeping the Cuban people stirred up.” And “Father McChann tells the Secret Service that Col. Castorr’s actions are consistent with that of an intelligence agent.” Castorr was L. Robert Castorr of Dallas, Texas and Arlington, Virginia (and Maryland)

Harold also noted that “Col. Castorr who was a friend of General Walker told a mutual friend that he was involved in a sideline of running guns to Cuba – a profitable sideline – and this is all part of the Odio story.””

Posted by Greg Parker in the Reopen the Kennedy Case Forum May 30, 2010

http://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t57-the-parkland-cuban-colonel-l-robert-castorr

“Although she (Lucille Connell) did not mention the Parkland Cuban, she did pass on the information that General Edwin Walker and Colonel [Robert] Castorr had been "trying to arouse the feelings of Cuban refugees in Dallas against the Kennedy administration policies." Harold Weisberg picked up on these leads in the 1960s.”

Governor Price Confers with L. Robert Castorr... with photo (1958)

The Denison Press (Denison, Tex.), Vol. 30, No. 52, Ed. 1 Friday, June 20, 1958 Page: 4 of 22
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth329083/m1/4/
 

May 8, 1998November
20, 1998





January 27, 1998December 31, 1998

Registrations by Lobbyists

An article from CQ Almanac 1970

Following is a list of persons and organizations that filed lobby registrations from Dec. 23, 1969 (the date of adjournment of the First Session of the 91st Congress) to Jan. 3, 1971 (the date of adjournment of the Second Session of the 91st Congress)

 

NATIONAL TAX ACTION INC., 1033 National Press Building, Washington, D.C. Filed 1/16/70.

Registered for itself.

Legislative interest—“Appropriations, taxation and economy in Government. In general, opposed to increased spending without more economy. Favor less international commitments, and less taxation.”

Expenses—“Anticipated, $100 each for two agents, totaling $200 monthly to cover expenses.”

Lobbyist—L. Robert Castorr, president, same address as employer. Filed 1/16/70.

Legislative interest—“Economy in Government.”

Compensation and expenses—“Anticipated $100 monthly to cover expenses and fees.”

Previous registrations by lobbyist—None.

Lobbyist—Robert M. Bartell, vice president, same address as employer. Filed 1/16/70.

Legislative interest—“Economy in Government.”

Compensation and expenses—“Anticipated $100 monthly to cover expenses and fees.

Previous registrations by lobbyist—None.

These were the first three registrants for the employer.

Washington Post Obituary Sunday, April 10, 2005; Page C09

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40644-2005Apr9_4.html?noredirect=on

L. Robert Castorr, 92, a retired executive with a number of business groups and a retired colonel in the U.S. Army Reserve, died April 7 after a heart attack at National Naval Medical Center in Bethesda.

Mr. Castorr, a resident of Bethesda, was born in Detroit and enlisted in the Army Reserve at age 18 in 1930. He served in the Civilian Conservation Corps for a year, then after further military training and education moved to active duty in 1940.

During World War II, he served in North Africa and in the Burma campaign as an infantry combat commander. After the war ended, he briefly served as chief of staff and spokesman for Gen. George C. Marshall at the Pentagon. He left active duty in 1947 but stayed in the reserves until 1973.

Mr. Castorr worked as a field manager for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and as national field manager and assistant to the president for the National Federation of Independent Business, handling legislation and public relations, through the 1960s. He later moved to the Small Business Administration, where he was assistant to its president and oversaw its program for retired executives. In later years, he worked for himself as an international trade consultant.

Mr. Castorr was an official with the World Conference of Mayors during the 1980s. He served as an officer with the Order of St. John of Jerusalem, the Knights of Malta, and was a member of the Order of St. Stanislas, a philanthropic organization.

His first two marriages, to Dorothy Castorr and Gertrude A. Castorr, ended in divorce.

Survivors include his wife of 30 years, Dorothy Vasco Castorr of Bethesda; two sons from his second marriage, William Castorr of Battle Creek, Mich., and John Castorr of Dallas; two brothers; five grandchildren; and seven great-grandchildren.

 

Steve Thomas

 

 

22 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

I thought it was four blocks from the rooming house?

Also, did not someone write an essay on the whole Neely street mystery?

Jim,

You might be thinking of this essay:

http://neelyst.blogspot.com/

I'm sorry. I don't know who the author is.

I have about 12 pages of Neely St. notes and discrepancies I'v e found over the years if you're interested. For example:

http://www.aarclibra...Vol17_0054a.htm

Marina stated that they moved (From Elsbeth to Neely) by pushing their belongings around the corner in a baby stroller but Mr. George B. Gray stated they were moved in by a woman driving a white station wagon. If this was Ruth Paine, then why would Marina have to send her directions in a letter?

 

From Joachim Joesten's book p. 47:

 

Steve Thomas

2 hours ago, Stephanie Goldberg said:

-raises hand-

Sometimes I feel awkward posting a question or comment because I'm not an expert like so many people here.  I know that anything I'll post could have easily been already talked to death in a thread from years ago.  So even though I read at least one new book (new to me, that is) on this subject or a related one, I am often unsure if I should post my questions or keep them to myself because everyone else already knows all that stuff.

Stephanie,

 

For the most part, people in this Forum are pretty kind and will gladly share what they know or have learned over the years.

This is an Educational Forum more than a debating class after all.

Occasionally, you will run across someone who is rude or unkind. The best you can do is just ignore them and move on.

 

Steve Thomas

 

Twitter feed of Marianne Williamson, Democratic candidate for President.

 

Steve Thomas

I just read a fascinating piece on Ernest Hemingway's anti-fascist actions in Cuba during WWII and his work with Naval Intelligence.

" From February to November of 1942, the Germans sank over 400 ships worldwide, and 263 of these were in the Caribbean." 

"With much of its fleet destroyed by the Japanese Pearl Harbor bombing or engaged in the aftermath in the Pacific, the United States Navy found itself outgunned and ill prepared to defend against the imminent threat of German torpedo boats in Caribbean waters, so it called for yachtsmen and small boat owners to arm themselves as auxiliaries in the fight, offering federal funds for those who joined up.

As one of the first yachtsmen to respond, Ernest received 500 dollars per month from the US Navy for his reconnaissance. The money equipped the Pilar with depth charges and machine guns (and bait and alcohol), transforming his boat into an emergency defense vessel that would patrol the Cuban coast. He named this mission “Operation Friendless,” after his favorite cat."

 

" Ernest considered mounting heavy machine guns to the Pilar but later recognized this idea as impractical. Instead, his crew would have to lure the “Krauts” to the surface, direct fire at the U-boat’s steel hull (to suppress use of their 88 mm deck guns), and move in just close enough for one of his jai alai players to lob a grenade in the conning tower with his special skills. "

 

Hoover was not impressed.

https://lithub.com/what-was-hemingway-doing-in-cuba-during-world-war-ii/

 

Steve Thomas

 

 

8 hours ago, Cory Santos said:

I am surprised no one has brought up that we are not at war right now because President Trump, against advice, cancelled a military response with Iran and how similar this was to Cuba and JFK.

Cory,

 

It could be that not many people responded because they are appalled by what has happened in the last 48hours or so.

It sort of begs the question; who ordered the air strike in the first place? The answer is frightening no matter how you look at it.

Did Trump cancel an air strike he himself had ordered not 4 or 5 hours beforehand? I so, then military engagements are being decided on the spur of the moment, with no thought to the planning.

An article came out that Trump cancelled the air strike, while the planes were in the air,  when he learned that there would be civilian casualties. An estimate of casualties on both sides should be part of any initial planning for a military strike. Does that mean that there was no initial planning?

Is Trump deciding things on a whim?

 

If Trump didn't order the air strike, then who did?

Who is ordering military action around the world on our behalf?

 

Like I said. It's frightening no matter how you look at it.

 

Steve Thomas

1 hour ago, Ron Bulman said:

This is really enlightening to me, as well as intriguing and even confusing.

 

Ron,

 

I was reading through the "Rubygate" box on page 49 of the article (page 4 of the pdf) concerning Ruby's purchase of spy equipment, and the fact that his safe deposit box was empty.

Wasn't there something about Ruby having a safe installed in his office - a floor safe? Maybe he was storing tapes there.

 

Steve Thomas

Does anyone know if there is an online repository of HSCA JFK Documents aside from the NARA?

For example, if you saw an HSCA footnote that read that such and such FBI interview of so and so can be found in

JFK Document 012741, or JFK Document 007236, is there any way to look that up?

I've never been able to figure that out.

 

Steve Thomas

On 6/21/2019 at 4:32 AM, Denis Morissette said:

Did you check Ruby’s phone activity in the afternoon of 11/22? 

 

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Steve Thomas

Paul,

 

You wrote:

 

"The 112tn and 316th were active duty. 

I asked about the size of the Detachment because you have previously stated that on the basis of an interview you conducted you concluded that a Detachment would normally be 8-10 men, making Jack Crichton’s description of his 488th MID less believable. The 316th had 38 men. But the other factor is we are comparing active duty to reserved."

 

I don't know what to tell you. All I know is that in his 1991 study of MID's, https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a233391.pdf ,

Thomas Cagley wrote that 90% of MID's were comprised of 9 men. (see p. 11).

Military units were constituted and re-constituted so often, it's hard to keep track of them in their various permutations.. For example, see the lineage of the 112th:

HEADQUARTERS 112TH MILITARY INTELLIGENCE BRIGADE

https://history.army.mil/html/books/060/60-13-1/cmhPub_60-13-1.pdf

pp. 222-223

 

LINEAGE:

(inactive)

Constituted 10 May 1946 in the Army of the United States as the 112th Counter Intelligence

Corps Detachment. Activated 21 May 1946 at Dallas, Texas. Allotted 26 February 1951 to the Regular Army. Re-designated 1 August 1957 as the ll2th Counter Intelligence Corps Group. Re-designated 25 July 1961 as the 112th Intelligence Corps Group. Re-designated 15 October 1966 as the ll2th Military Intelligence Group. Inactivated 30 June 1974 at Fort Sam Houston, Texas. Re-designated 1 July 1987 as Headquarters, 112th Military Intelligence Brigade; concurrently transferred to the United States Army Training and Doctrine Command and activated at Fort Devens, Massachusetts. Inactivated 30 January 1993 at Fort Devens, Massachusetts.

 

When you look at a military unit, you have to be aware whether it's an MID or an INTC or a Brigade, or what not, at the time you are looking at it.

 

Steve Thomas

On 5/30/2019 at 8:20 AM, Paul Jolliffe said:

That George Lumpkin not only was in position to deliver an unused Dictabelt to the FBI for the re-recording and substitution of the orignal, but was also the person to direct Roy Truly to Captain Fritz to announce "Oswald's" suspicious absence from the "roll-call", can not be a coincidence.

Paul,

 

One of the things that struck me about Roy Truly's WC testimony (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/truly1.htm), was the dispassionate, almost disinterested way he referred to Marrion Baker as "the officer", vs. his reference to George Lumpkin by name. Little alarm bells started going off in my head.

 

Mr. TRULY. I heard a policeman in this area along here make a remark, "Oh, goddam," or something like that. I just remember that. It wasn't a motorcycle policeman. It was one of the Dallas policeman, I think-- words to that effect.
I wouldn't know him. I just remember there was a policeman standing along in this area about 7, 8, or 10 feet from me.
But as I came back here, and everybody. was screaming and hollering, just moments later-I saw a young motorcycle policeman run up to the building,

 

"I was trying to show the officer the pathway up,"

Mr. TRULY. "When I reached there, the officer had his gun pointing at Oswald."

 

"He came over. And some time about then I said, "Officer, I think"--let's back up."
"I believe the officer told me as we walked down into the seventh floor, "Be careful, this man will blow your head off.""
"And I told the officer that I didn't feel like the shots came from the building."

 

"Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do after you got that information?
Mr. TRULY. Chief Lumpkin of the Dallas Police Department was standing a few feet from me. I told Chief Lumpkin that I had a boy missing over here "I don't know whether it amounts to anything or not." And I gave him his description. And he says, "Just a moment. We will go tell Captain Fritz."
Mr. BELIN. All right. And then what happened?
Mr. TRULY. So Chief Lumpkin had several officers there that he was talking to, and I assumed that he gave him some instructions of some nature I didn't hear it. And then he turned to me and says, "Now we will go upstairs"."

 

Steve Thomas

On 6/1/2019 at 6:43 AM, Paul Brancato said:

By your reckoning Bart, or Steve, how large was the 316th MID?

Paul,

<QUOTE>

MEMORANDUM

(Updated version as of February 21, 1997)

To:

Jeremy Gunn

cc: David Marwell; Chris Barger; Doug Horne; Brian Rosen; Joan Zimmerman

From: Tim Wray

Subject: Army Intelligence in Dallas

Here's some of what we've learned so far about Army intelligence in Dallas

 

http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/jfk/NARA-Oct2017/ARRB/JMASIH/WP-DOCS/TIM/112DALLA.WPD.PDF

 

3. 316th INTC Detachment.

The 112th INTC Group’s personnel total given above does not include members of the smaller 316th INTC Detachment, which had an authorized strength of 38 in 1963. The 316th INTC Detachment was transferred from Fort Jackson, South Carolina to Fort Sam Houston and attached to the 112th INTC Group in December, 1962.

<END QUOTE>

 

Steve Thomas

 

58 minutes ago, Paul Jolliffe said:

Steve, 

3. Finally, why would ambulances 602 and/or 603 be en route to Baylor?

In any event, you and I agree that the type written transcripts almost certainly reflect the changes made to obscure the fact that Tippit was shot earlier than 1:15. I agree with those who believe the time was probably around 1:07 or 1:08. (Way too early for "Oswald" to arrived at 10th and Patton on foot from 1026 N. Beckley.)

Paul,

 

I believe that Ambulance 603 was going to Baylor for an entirely different reason that had nothing to do with Tippit.

Something about a blood bank for some reason I think.

 

Jim and Paul,

While I think the 1:10 timestamp may have been a typo, I can't get around the fact that Dr. Liquori at Methodist gave the the time of his death as shown on his death certificate as 1:15 PM

https://22novembernetwork.wordpress.com/2014/11/15/the-murder-of-j-d-tippit-by-s-r-dusty-rohde/

 

Steve Thomas

 

1 hour ago, Paul Jolliffe said:

Steve, 

I'll see your difference in Fritz interrogation reports and raise you one official, Warren Commission published transcript: I present to you CE 705. Page 408 on the printed transcript (page 48 when you scroll down here).

It reads "Disp. 10-4 603 and 602. 1:10 pm."

This is after the Tippit shooting!

And the WC was dumb enough to publish this transcript with the old time, "1:10 pm" still on it!

Somebody screwed up, the WC published it, and nobody caught it! But there it is to this day!

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/pdf/WH17_CE_705.pdf

Paul,

 

If you go up a line or two, Ambulance 603 tells Dispatch that he is Code 5 out to Baylor.

That would be the Baylor University Medical Center.

According to the Dallas Police Radio Codes, Code 5 is "Enroute" and Code 6 is "Arrived".

http://www.bearcat1.com/radiotx.htm

Two pages later, on page 410 of that pdf, Ambulance 603 informs Dispatch that he has arrived at Baylor, and Dispatch acknowledges this at 1:23 PM.

 

If you go through those lines on page 408 that you pointed out, Ambulance 602 announces that he is Code 5, "Enroute", then he announces he is Code 6, has "Arrived", then he announces again that he is Code 5, "Enroute".

I'm not sure what that is all about, but you can see on the next page (page 409), that Ambulance 602 twice more calls in and tries to raise Dispatch.

On the next page (page 411), you can see Dispatch trying to respond to 602.

On the next page, (page 412), Dispatch asks Gerald Hill (#550/2) if he know what ambulance took Tippit, that "we had three going". (I'm not sure which three ambulances Dispatch is talking about here).

Hill responds that he was at 12th and Beckley, and saw an ambulance from Dudley Hughes pass in front of him and thought he might have Tippit. This is at 1:25.

Dispatch again tries to raise 602 on page 412.

I'm pretty sure 602 was from the Dudley Hughes Funeral Home. If my memory serves me right, at that time, the ambulance services in Dallas were stationed out of the funeral homes.

 

I'm pretty sure that the 1:10 time stamp in the transcripts is simply a typo on the part of the person doing the typing, because it comes after a 1:11 time stamp, a 1:15 time stamp, and a 1:16 time stamp on page 407.

 

Steve Thomas

22 minutes ago, Jim Hargrove said:

  There is even a photo showing “12:40” on the big TSBD outdoor clock and apparently showing the Nash Rambler on Elm.

 

 Are we really to believe that between 1:04 and 1:18—less than an hour after JFK was assassinated—there were only 10 brief statements?  

This is the time, I’m almost certain, for which the FBI altered the evidence.

 

Jim,

 

I guess it's impossible to know if the Rambler shown in your photo is the same one that Craig said he saw; although in his Sheriff's report, he said his Rambler had a luggage rack on top.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/craig1.htm

Does the photo show a luggage rack? I can't really tell.

I agree with you about the tape transcripts. Somebody said that the tapes had been winnowed down to remove "routine transmissions".

The Police, (or the FBI) should have been forced to reveal "every" transmission that day, including the ones coming out of the Fairgrounds.

 

Steve Thomas

1 hour ago, Sandy Larsen said:

This means that it must have taken McWatters at least 12:54 - 12:36 = 18 minutes to go those last four blocks.

 

Sandy,

 

The thing that clinched it for me was the difference in Interrogation reports that Fritz had drawn up.

Look at the difference between the:

DPD Archives Box 1, Folder# 15, Item# 1, page 5

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box1.htm

and

DPD Archives Box 15, Item# 1, Item# 111, page 6

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box15.htm

 

Fritz, or someone, had manually inserted the info about the bus transfer, and that accounted for the increase in page numbers from page 5 to page 6. For some reason, they had to get Oswald on that bus. To discredit Roger Craig's account of the Nash Rambler perhaps?

 

Steve Thomas

 

On 5/21/2019 at 9:08 PM, Sandy Larsen said:

I therefore also believe that it was Lt. Erich Kaminsky who stopped Oswald at the front door.

 

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Steve Thomas

On 5/20/2019 at 6:19 AM, Sandy Larsen said:

My understanding is that Oswald was stopped by a policeman as he tried to leave the main door, and Truly told him Oswald was an employee. Perhaps that policeman was Baker, as this sounds like the genesis of the fake 2nd floor encounter.

Oswald was leaving because he had been told to meet someone at the Texas theater. He needed to be killed.

 

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Ian was one of my friends in life.

He was a teacher and a mentor.

I will miss him greatly.

Steve Thomas

9 hours ago, Michael Clark said:

To the reader who is wondering what this has to do with McCord.... I can’t speak for Steve, and I have to re-read his offerings, but my connection is tenuous one that regards McCord’s connections to spy-plane camera technology, technology security, Atsugi and Oswald.

 

Mike

 

Michael,

 

1. Was Francis Gary Powers' U2 flight deliberately scuttled in order to give the Pentagon and the CIA plausible deniability in giving the Soviets technology that was outdated, but the Soviets thought was the "latest and greatest"?

2. Was Oswald's "defection" a fraud from the beginning?

3. In offering to give the Soviets information Oswald gleaned from his station as a radar operator in Atsugi, was Oswald's "defection" part of this technological "discovery" deception?

4. Did MCord's  involvement in Operations Aquatone and Insight, which involved overflights of Russia, somehow bring him into contact with, or knowledge of Oswald prior to the newspaper articles that came out in 1959 about Oswald when he "defected"?

5. Did McCord know that Oswald's "defection" was fraudulent? Did he have any hand in planning it?

 

Steve Thomas

6 hours ago, Michael Clark said:

Steve, this long post by Jim Root is nearly all a writing by Fletcher Prouty. The last several paragraphs are from Jim Root and sit close to your posts that regard AQUATONE, the U2, Oxcart, cameras and James McCord. I am trying to get my head around it all, and move some of it to the James McCord Jr. thread...

 

 

 

Michael,

 

I disagree with Fletcher Prouty's thesis that the U2 was shot down in order to,

"... destruct the upcoming summit conference. What better way to show American bad faith than by arranging for a US "spy" plane to be forced down over the USSR on the Russian's most important national holiday."

I was reading something a while back (and, I'm sorry, I can't remember where) that by 1960, the U.S. had already surpassed the U2 in photographic and signals intelligence technology.

Maybe by something called the X-38?, but I'm not sure.   Something to do with satellite technology anyway.

Maybe someone who knows a lot more than I do about this could chime in.

In the early 1960's, the Soviets had two main areas of focus... space travel, and nuclear weaponry. Everything else was second fiddle.

I think the U.S. deliberately sacrificed the U2 in order to send the Soviets chasing old and outdated technology, sending them off on a wild goose chase.

 

Steve Thomas

 

40 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

In retrospect, there is little or no doubt that Ervin and Dash wanted to make a big noise early with their committee in order to get a lot of attention and make themselves famous,

Jim,

 

I think the Watergate Hearings were an extension of the U.S. army Spy Trials in 1970-71, and Ervin's Subcommittee on Constitutional Rights.

http://www.cmhpf.org/Random Files/senator sam ervin.htm

" Although he did not know it at the time, Senator Ervin had started down the road to Watergate.  It was during the subcommittee's investigation of Army surveillance in 1970 and 1971 that Ervin stumbled onto the secretive programs and questions of executive power that would lead him to chair the famous Watergate Hearings in 1973.  Ironically, it was at the same time that Ervin began his investigation into military spying that Richard Nixon and his men began their own political espionage that put them, too, on the road to Watergate." ...

"Attorney General John N. Mitchell provided the legal basis for the increased domestic surveillance soon afterward.  According to the Attorney General's spokesman, the Administration had the right to collect and store information on civilian political activity because of "the inherent powers of the federal government to protect the internal security of the nation.  We feel that's our job."  Thus, the Administration claimed a virtually unchecked power‑‑not subject to Congressional oversight --to carry out unlimited domestic surveillance on anyone it wished.[49] 

     Ervin was outraged.  When both the army and the Justice Department failed to provide the senator with a full accounting of their new domestic intelligence systems, Ervin decided to make good on his threat to hold public hearings in his Subcommittee on Constitutional Rights.[50]  In a speech on the Senate floor he blasted the army for maintaining "a deterrent power over the individual rights of American citizens."[51]   But for the first time Ervin aimed his verbal assault at the White House as well by linking the military's domestic spying with the Nixon administration's nebulous new surveillance plans.  He charged that the army's intelligence data‑banks "appear to be part of a vast network of intelligence­‑oriented systems which are being developed willy‑nilly throughout the land, . . . [representing] a potential for political control and intimidation which is alien to a society of free men."[52] 

     To combat this danger Ervin announced that his Subcommittee on Consti­tutional Rights would hold hearings on "Federal Data Banks, Computers, and the Bill of Rights."[53]  For the first time since the Cold War began, a congressional committee launched a public investigation on the executive branch's domestic intelligence agencies.  The Senator planned to include the sensational issue of military domestic spying in his larger crusade for privacy and use the hearings as a means of generating public pressure against both the Army and the President.  Ervin elaborated this strategy in his autobiography:  "Some of the evils I opposed were substan­tially alleviated when they were exposed to public view in committee hearings and on the Senate floor.  After all, sunlight is a powerful purifier."[54]  It would not be the last time Ervin would use hearings to focus sunlight on the suspicious practices of the Nixon administration.

 The Hearings

     Senator Ervin chose the old Senate Caucus Chamber as the setting for his confrontation with the administration.  It was a room filled with history.  The Teapot Dome hearings, the Army‑Mc­Carthy hearings and other scandalous dramas of the past had been acted out there.  Its Corinthian pillars, high chandeliers, and marble walls provided just the backdrop Ervin wanted for his hearings on the military's domestic spying.  The Senator would return to this same room two years later to hold his hearings on Watergate.[55]

     When Ervin entered the chamber on the morning of February 23, 1971, and took his seat at the committee table, reporters clicked on their tape recorders and the television cameras zoomed in on the Senator.  Sitting there in the blinding light Sam Ervin must have felt a sense of victory.  Finally he had attracted the media attention he had lacked during all of his previous hearings on the right to privacy.  Finally his warnings about the danger of unchecked executive power would be heard by a national audience.  Some observers detected a triumphant gleam in the Senator's eye.[56]

 

Steve Thomas

1 hour ago, Michael Clark said:

 

I don’t know who the City Manager was, but the Mayor was Earle Cabell... 

Michael,

 

The City Manager was a man by the name of Elgin Crull.

He testified to the WC.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/crull.htm

 

Steve Thomas

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https://search.creativecommons.org

 

Steve Thomas