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32 minutes ago, David Boylan said:
Veciana was working for the ACSI - Asst Chief of Staff Intelligence for the US Army. Specifically Detachment A. The Miami Station was run by a Major Junius "Duke" Watlington. Veciana's contact in Puerto Rico was an Owen Darnell. Darnell was a spotter for Detachment A. The Second Front (SFNE) was run by ACSI.
The CIA and ACSI often had to share assets and disagreed on how to go about it. Here's doc with Watlington, Lt Col. Causes and Reuteman (Shackley) discussing logistics..
https://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/jfk/NARA-Oct2017/2018/104-10069-10185.pdf
David,
The file you referenced mentions Opa Locka a lot.
From page 6 of the file:
Cryptonym: JMFIG
JMFIG is defined as the "Opa-locka Naval Base. Opa-locka CAC (note: Caribbean Admissions Center)
https://www.maryferrell.org/php/cryptdb.php?id=JMFIG
198-10004-10157 MOVEMENT OF THE CARIBBEAN ADMISSION CENTER (CAC) 1
Background on the use of the Opa-locka facility. "The Caribbean Admission Center was established in March 1962 as a joint DOD/CIA operation under CIA operational control and Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) cover..." See https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=19773#relPageId=10&tab=page - it shows that "CIA's Domestic Contact Division (DCD) had primary responsibility for obtaining positive intelligence interest from refugees." DCD officers conducted interviews with refugees at the CAC.
Deputy Chief of the CAC is Colonel Sam Kail.
Colonel Sam Kail and Lt. Col. Trudencio Ulibarri are described as "the two top men" at CAC.
104-10069-10185: OPERATIO.NAL: AGREED ACTIVITIES W/ACSI
See this document for further details on Kail and Ulibarri and the relationship between CIA and DOD.
6/30/63 from Lt. Col. James Patchell to Joseph Califano: Describes visit to CAC, operations led by Colonel Sam Kail and Lt. Col. Ulibarri. Julian Gleichauf, CIA chief of field office, is also the Director of CAC. "It is a military operation under CIA management."
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7 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:
Paul,
I wonder if this should be an entry in the Colonels thread?
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Russell, Dick On the Trail of the Assassins. Skyhorse, Nov 22, 2008.
See also the Spartacus entry for William C. Bishop here:
https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKbishopW.htm
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12 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:
But what was Veciana’s relationship to Phillips, if any? Might Bishop be someone in Military Intelligence? Colonel Bishop perhaps?
Paul,
I wonder if this should be an entry in the Colonels thread?
Steve Thomas
Russell, Dick On the Trail of the Assassins. Skyhorse, Nov 22, 2008.
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10 hours ago, Michael Clark said:
There is at least on thread, active in the last two years, that has a good account of the the man being taken out of the back. I can’t remember enough to find it quickly. I think Steve Thomas shared the specific, interesting, and credible account of that occurrence.
Michael,
That was probably in this thread:
Two Dallas cops were involved in the pre-arranged murder of Tippit...
beginning on page 34:http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/22875-two-dallas-cops-were-involved-in-the-pre-arranged-murder-of-tippit/page/34/
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Bart,
What the Smurf is this all about?
4 people?
Far East?
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On 12/28/2018 at 7:00 PM, Tom Wilson said:
He said Tippit knew Ruby very well.
Tom,
I don't know if you are still following this topic, but it was a different Tippit.
The Tippit who knew Jack Ruby was G.M. Tippit. He worked in the Special Service Bureau. See page 3 of Bachelor's Exhibit 5002 (page 4 of the pdf file).
https://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf
One of the focuses (or foci) of the Special Service Bureau was Vice, and as such, G.M. would drop in on the Carousel occassionally.
G.M.'s first name was Gayle, and he was sort of embarrassed by that and preferred to be called, "Tip".
I corresponded with Tip for about six months, 15 or 20 years ago. He told me he liked Jack. He thought he was a "character".
Tip was up on the fourth floor when Jack shot Lee Oswald, and didn't speak with Jack afterwards.
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14 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said:
Why would OAS be fighting the French Army in Algeria? That’s news to me - thanks.
Paul,
The Evian Peace Accords had been signed in March. A nation-wide referendum in France had been held in 1961 and an overwhelming number had voted to allow Algeria to become independent. Charles DeGaulle worked to make that a reality.
The right-wing factions of Algerie Francais, or French Algerians did not want to see that happen. They wanted Algeria to remain a Department of France.
By 1960, Algeria had been a part of France for 130 years. It was one of France's 13 Departments (similar to our 50 States).
The Europeans in Algeria did not want to see Algeria become an independent country. I read once that Europeans owned 90% of the arable land in Algeria.
The OAS grew out of that resistance. At first, that resistance was against the FLN, or pro-Moslem, pro-independence movement. By 1962, that OAS had turned against the French State iteslf.
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In the past, I've been asked how the OAS got its money.
This would be one way.
This article appeared in the March 24, 1962 issue of the Cumberland Evening Times. Cumberland, MD page 1
https://newspaperarchive.com/cumberland-evening-times-mar-24-1962-p-1/
Jean-Rene had made his escape from the prison camp in February, so I do not know if had successfully made his way to Spain by March, or if he had had a hand in this bank robbery in Algeria.
I do not know if this money made its way into the coffers of the main OAS headquarters in Spain.
There is a long article about the day-long battle between the OAS and the French Army. The newspaper article was in a Saturday issue, and they speak of the heavy fighting that took place on Friday, so I'm assuming it happened on March 23rd. The article says that this marked the first time the OAS had battled the French Army directly. This was some serious stuff.
From page 2:
By this time in 1962, 2060 people had died, and another 4, 044 had been wounded in this year alone.
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3 hours ago, David Andrews said:
Who funds Muckrock? Beyond the $50 contribution level?
David,
Go their home page:
Scroll all the way to the bottom of the page and click on the word Financials.
That lists the source of their funding and even provides three years of 990 Statements.
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Muckrock
"MuckRock is a non-profit collaborative news site that gives you the tools to keep our government transparent and accountable."
Subjects Matter: FBI Files
https://www.muckrock.com/project/subjects-matter-fbi-files-10/
"This project aims to sift through the hundreds of thousands of pages of FBI archival material we've released, so we can better understand why the Bureau had an eye on these people - and through that, better understand who they're keeping tabs on today."
Examples:
James Angleton
Jim Garrison
E. Howard Hunt
Angleton's CIA consulting contract (extended beyond 1975 - contrary to what Colby and Angelton both told the Church Committee)
https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2017/oct/19/angleton-return/
The Interagency Feud
https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2018/oct/30/fbi-angleton-fabian-society/
“In the late ‘50s, a former Army Intelligence chief alleged that a secret cabal of socialists and Communists were infiltrating the government. As part of these allegations, the Federal Bureau of Investigation received 122 names, 119 of whom had a total of over 5,500 references in FBI files. Of these, there was derogatory information on 105 individuals, including some senior officials and even hardline anti-communists such as Central Intelligence Agency spymaster James Angleton.
The Bureau dismissed the accusations as the result of an interagency feud, and performed minimal research into them. However, the FBI did congratulate itself on having already been aware of most of the individuals and their alleged subversive tendencies, which included their sometimes having thoughts similar to those of socialists.”
“The Bureau believed that the allegations resulted from, or at least related to, what it described as a “feud” between CIA and G-2 (Army Intelligence).”
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16 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:
Bill,
I do not have any of the documents listed there.
Bill,
I spoke too quickly.
I do have a copy of 197-10002-10234.
You read it here: pp 27-34.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HWZoEXgUY8HyfMyxGrCIPOiWpB9-86_r/view
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1 hour ago, Bill Simpich said:
Can you all explain (in a paragraph or so) the functional differences between the 112th, the 316th, and Crichton's 488th?
Bill,
See this document starting on page 3 explaining the relationship of the 316th with the 112th.
You might be interested in this database listing:
I do not have any of the documents listed there.
I personally think Crichton's 488th was a legend in his own mind.
There are others who think differently.
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56 minutes ago, Paul Jolliffe said:
Bart and David,
Apparently William Hoyt Shelley really was in uniform during WWII, albeit in the ROTC. It is not inconceivable that he was some sort of informant while working at a defense plant. In any event, the picture tells us he viewed himself as a soldier/patriot from a young age.
Paul,
Would you happen to know if Shelley was still in the Reserves as late as 1963?
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1 hour ago, David Boylan said:
This is Ed Coyle's interview before the ARRB. He gives a a good account of the George Nonte weapons investigation. He also reveals his relationship with the FBI, SS, Hosty, and Dallas PD. He was 5 blocks down from the TSBD and had to "rescue: James Powell who was trapped in the TSDB.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=201232&search=col_boyd#relPageId=1&tab=page
David,
If nothing else, this Coyle ARRB interview shows me the disconnect between the Reserves and the Active Army.
Coyle said he had never heard of Whitmeyer. Robert Jones said the same thing in his HSCA testimony. Yet Whitmeyer was supposed to be this high muckety muck in the Reserves.
(Of course Coyle said he had never heard of Robert Jones either).
Many of the Detectives in the DPD Special Service Bureau were in the Reserves.
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54 minutes ago, David Boylan said:
-he was on duty that day-he met with Jim Hosty of the FBI & a guy (he can't remember the name right now) from the ATF that morning at the ATF building to discuss a non-JFK related operation they were working on-when the meeting ended
In telephone conversation with Mr. Stephan Weiss (former lieutenant in 112th INTC Group Dallas office at time of the assassination, and former supervisor of Ed Coyle), Doug Horne was told by Weiss that he now desires not to discuss his assassination recollections any further
I have only one puny comment: the letter can be construed as saying that Weiss has refused to discuss with us ANYTHING from the Montague call. However, if I understand his most recent stance correctly, it is that he doesn't want to talk about whatever-it-is that happened in 1982. I think that, as a matter separate from prying out any secrets he might have regarding the 1982 incident, we still want to pursue with him a fuller, more detailed account of his experiences on 11/22/63 and information about the 112th INTC Group. I think it would be advisable to make this distinction
David,
I can't be positive, but I think it was the Lawrence Miller/Donnell Whitter weapons theft they were talking about. Those two had been busted on November 18th.
Frank Ellsworth was the other man in the meeting.
It's pretty ominous that nobody wants to talk about that 1982 meeting.
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American Legion 46th National Convention Dallas, TX September 18-24, 1964
This will give you a pdf dialog box giving you the option to open or save.
Board of Directors: Harley B. West (page 47)
PARADE CO-CHAIRMEN (page 71)
L. A. Stewart
Dallas, Texas
Maj. Gen. Harley B. West
Texas ARNG
Comdg. Gen., 49th Arm. Div.
Dallas, Texas
PARADE VICE-CHAIRMEN
B. B. Smith
Dallas, Texas
Some of the Attendees:
John Connolly
Waggoner Carr
Public Relations Commission: Executive Section.
September 18 and 19, 9:30 a.m., South Ballroom, Lobby Floor, Sheraton-Dallas Hotel.
Chairman: C. D. DeLoach, Alexandria, Va. (Cartha D. of the FBI?)
John W. Mayo from the Fairgrounds (1964 National Convention Corporation Executive Committee page 44)
Harley B. West Commander of the 49th Armored Division (pages 47 and 71)
George Lumpkin (page 50)
B.B. Smith Deputy Chief of Police and Director of Civil Defense, Dallas (page 71)
Interesting
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I ran across this quite by accident.
The Eye is a non-profit website dedicated towards content archival and long-term preservation.
https://the-eye.eu/
We currently host various large scale data-sets amounting to hundreds of thousands of files. These data-sets include various website and software archives.The Eye was originally created in April, 2017. The Eye started out as a side project providing a public resource for varying collections and smaller data-sets.
As of October 2018, The Eye is seeing 170 million+ requests amounting to over 990 terabytes+ of content served each month.A sampling of files:
03-Nov-2017 18:13- AudioBooks/29-Sep-2018 19:47- Books/19-Feb-2019 00:33- Comics/05-Nov-2018 21:37- Games/28-Nov-2018 11:54- Icons/22-May-2018 07:47- Images/21-Jan-2018 03:21- JFK_Files/03-Nov-2017 17:03
https://the-eye.eu/public/JFK_Files/
Index of /public/JFK_Files/
audio/03-Nov-2017 17:03- documents/03-Nov-2017 17:16- JFK_Files_Archivist.torrent31-Oct-2017 14:49584K Audio: I believe that these are the declassified recordings of the interrogation of Yuri Nosenko. https://the-eye.eu/public/JFK_Files/audio/ Documents: This directory contains 6,685 items. https://the-eye.eu/public/JFK_Files/documents/ I don't know if these are searchable. This document set may just be a list of files they have.
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4 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/ryder.htm
Mr. LIEBELER. Have you been in the military service?
Mr. RYDER. Yes, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER. What branch were you in?
Mr. RYDER. Went in the National Guard. 49th Armored Division which I am still an active member.
Mr. LIEBELER. Of the National Guard?
Mr. RYDER. Yes.Mr. LIEBELER. What kind of training did you receive?
Mr. RYDER. Armored tank training.
Mr. LIEBELER. You served as a tanker at Fort Polk?
Mr. RYDER. Yes, sir.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/49th_Armored_Division
“In September 1961, an executive order alerted the division for mobilization at Dallas due to the 1961 Berlin Crisis.[1] On October 15, 1961, the division entered federal service, and it subsequently deployed to Fort Polk, LA. The division was to stay there ten months. In May 1962, the division staged the large-scale Exercise Iron Dragoon, still remembered among National Guard armor exercises. Also while at Fort Polk the division's missile unit became the first Army National Guard unit to fire the Honest John nuclear-tipped surface-to-surface missile. The 49th Armored Division reverted to Texas State control in August 1962.”
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1 hour ago, Cory Santos said:
Ha ha ha. Thanks Steve. Amazing.
Cory,
Which makes the removal of a machine gun-toting local police car from the motorcade at the last minute (as per Will Fritz) all the more suspicious.
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The two main divisions in the Texas National Guard were the 90th Infantry Division and the 49th Armored Division.
The 90th Infantry had a long and storied career in WWII, taking part in many of the major campaigns.
Colonel L. Robert Castorr:
Would be linked to a gun running scheme to Cuba with Nancy Perrin Rich and Jack Ruby.
The Mexia Daily News from Mexia, Texas · Page 1
November 7, 1957
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/11876796/
(L. Robert Castorr) “Mr. Castorr. who is now a- colonel in the Active Reserve serving as inspector and advisor to the 90th Division in Texas...”
I don't know who the Inspector/Advisor to the 49th Division was, but the 49th was one of the premier National Guard units in the country. They are called Armored Divisions, but as such, they also handle land-based nuclear missiles. If my memory serves me right, they were the first unit in the country to be given "Honest Johns".
http://www.texasmilitaryforcesmuseum.org/49ad/49division.htm
An Introduction to the history of the 49th (Lone Star) Armored Division (1947 -1963)
— Brian Schenk
“Soon after being designated as a "combat-ready" unit in 1955, the 49th was assigned as one of the six National Guard divisions making up the Ready Reserve Strategic Army Force, a first-priority reserve component. The designation gave the division higher priority for newer equipment and advanced training. “
“Command Post Exercises (CPX) called "Cloverleaf" became a part of the command staff's training beginning in 1957. Conducted by Headquarters, 4th U. S. Army, the Cloverleaf exercises were based at Fort Sam Houston, in San Antonio, Texas.”
Brandy, Our Man in Acapulco: The Life and Times of Colonel Frank M. Brandstetter. A Biography by Rodney P. Carlisle and Dominic J. Monetta. University of North Texas Press, 1999.
https://books.google.com/books?id=QLdqgDsVio4C&pg=PA122&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=3#v=onepage&q&f=false
p. 121. “While at the Presidio, Brandy had prepared a draft of a Domestic Emergency Plan, which he revised and submitted in 1954 as part of the Cloverleaf I exercise, to G-2 of the Fourth Army Command in Dallas, Colonel M.H. Truly.”
Posted by Tosh Plumlee in the Education Forum 11/12/2004
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/1972-felipe-vidal-santiago/?page=4
"MOS: WR Plumlee 1795, 3795 Tank Crew man Tk Comander, Sherman Tank. Cpl. Plumlee Mos 'Unknown; Unknown" Ft Bliss Texas; Texas National Guard; Unknown. OO Records at Office of Adjutant General State of Texas Camp Mabry, Texas. Texas National Guard; Texas Fourth Army Reserve; Certified Copy of Available Document By; XXX referenced doc."
Posted by Rosh Plumlee in the Education Forum 11/12/2004
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/1972-felipe-vidal-santiago/?page=4
Larry: Note In 1952 Captain Seiwell went back into service with the Forth Army Reserve and was based at Dallas Love Field.. The same place as the Texas 49th Armord Div.
I too was in the Texas National Guard 49th Armord Div before I went into the regular Army in 1953 at Ft Bliss Texas... I also went back into the National Guard and then transfered into the 4th Army Reserve in 1954.
Dial Ryder, who did gun work for Lee Harvey Oswald, served in the 49th Division in “Armored tank training”.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/ryder.htm
Mr. LIEBELER. Have you been in the military service?
Mr. RYDER. Yes, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER. What branch were you in?
Mr. RYDER. Went in the National Guard. 49th Armored Division which I am still an active member.
Mr. LIEBELER. Of the National Guard?
Mr. RYDER. Yes.Mr. LIEBELER. What kind of training did you receive?
Mr. RYDER. Armored tank training.
Mr. LIEBELER. You served as a tanker at Fort Polk?
Mr. RYDER. Yes, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER. What is your rank in the National Guard?
Mr. RYDER. Now?
Mr. LIEBELER. Yes.
Mr. RYDER. Sergeant.
Mr. LIEBELER. What was it at the time you went into active duty?
Mr. RYDER. It was June 11 in 1960 when I reported to Fort Leonard Wood.
Mr. LIEBELER. June what? What was your rank when you went on active duty?
Mr. RYDER. I was just an E-2.What do you think the chances are that Tosh Plumlee and Dial Ryder knew each other?
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8 hours ago, Cory Santos said:
In Dallas? I recall seeing it in photos. One photo after JFK had been shot and they were speeding to Parkland shows a person on a building and what could be, but I have not seem close up enough, a rifle. Maybe it was a broom? Does anyone have a zoomed in version of this photo?
Cory,
I'm sorry, I don't have the details in front of me right now, but I looked into this in the past once before. The guy on the roof you are thinking of was part of the security detail provided by the Head of security for the Trade Mart. He posted guys on nearby rooftops; and no, it wasn't a broom. I'm sorry, I can't remember his name right now.
Earlier, you had asked, " f he was the shooter, why did he not shoot from the roof?... Harder for SS to shoot back at you.
Somebody, Winston Lawson or Thomas Kelley maybe, told the WC that that wasn't the SS's job. Shooting back at suspected assassins was the local police's job.
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2 hours ago, Tony Krome said:
They dropped a bunch of stuff from the script, like the fitting of the scope and the Sports Drome practice sessions.
So maybe they decided to add the scope to the backyard mock-up to frame up and pre-date the Walker deal.
So the coupon which shows no scope ordered makes sense
Tony,
Oswald said they added his face to someone else's body. I think the body came equipped with a rifle. *smile*
I don't have the magazine ad in front of me, but I think if you add up the optional add-ons (like the scope), you come up with more than what Oswald supposedly paid. ($29.45 I think).
Ryder said the rifle had to be drilled and tapped. That means it didn't come with a scope mounted on it.
I've never seen any evidence that Oswald ordered and had a scope mounted in the week or week and a half between the time Oswald would have received the rifle he supposedly ordered on March 12th and when the pictures were taken.
Of course, at one point, Marina said she first saw the rifle in January, so that really doesn't get you anywhere either.
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4 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:
Bart,
Didn't the rifle come without a scope? I mean, the scope was optional over and above the price for the rifle itself.
WC testimony of Dial Ryder
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/ryder.htm
Mr. LIEBELER. Where are you employed, Mr. Ryder?
Mr. RYDER. Irving Sports Shop.
Mr. LIEBELER. Where is that?
Mr. RYDER. 221 East Irving Boulevard, Irving, Tex.“Oh, I told him I had a ticket with the name Oswald, no date, no address, just for drilling and tapping and boresighting--no address, or name: he didn't say he'd like to see the ticket and was looking at the pictures, then I seen the gun. Of course, from the picture I told him as far as I could remember I told him I hadn't mounted that scope, you know.”
The rifle need drilled and tapped to accomodate the scope.
WC testimony of Edith Whitworth during Marina Oswald's testimony of Marina Oswald July 24, 1964.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/oswald_m2.htm
Mrs. WHITWORTH. The store was known as the Furniture Mart. The name was clearly on it, and it was located at 149 East Irving Boulevard.
“...previously testified that sometime in early November 1963, they saw Marina and the two children and Lee Oswald in a furniture store located on East Irving Boulevard in Irving, Tex.
Mrs. Whitworth told the WC that Lee Oswald came in the furniture store looking for a gunsmith shop and he had a part for a gun that was 15-18” long and 2-3” in diameter. It was wrapped in brown paper.
The two stores were located only a block apart - in Irving - not in Oak Cliif, Dallas, where Neely St. is..
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On 3/3/2019 at 2:29 AM, Tony Krome said:
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"Remembering the burglary that broke COINTELPRO"
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