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Bart,
Warren Commission testimony of Marina Oswald, 1964
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/oswald_m1.htm
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes, Lee had a small room where he spent a great deal of time, where he read---where he kept his things, and that is where the rifle was.
Mr. RANKIN. Was it out in the room at that time, as distinguished from in a closet in the room?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes, it was open, out in the open. At first I think---I saw some package up on the top shelf, and I think that that was the rifle. But I didn't know. And apparently later he assembled it and had it in the room.
Mr. RANKIN. When you saw the rifle assembled in the room, did it have the scope on it?
Mrs. OSWALD. No, it did not have a scope on it.Mr. RANKIN. Do you recall seeing the rifle when the telescopic lens was on it?
Mrs. OSWALD. I hadn't paid any attention initially.
I know a rifle was a rifle. I didn't know whether or not it had a telescope attached to it. But the first time I remember seeing it was in New Orleans, where I recognized the telescope. But probably the telescope was on before. I simply hadn't paid attention.
I hope you understand. When I saw it, I thought that all rifles have that.She recognized the scope, even though the rifle didn't have a scope on it, and she hadn't paid any attention whether it did or not.
Makes sense to me.
Steve Thomas
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Rick,
In the second photo you provided (shot from where Zapruder stood), do you know what the building is that is directly across from Zapruder, the one with the clocks at the top?
That's one weird looking building.
I wonder who the architect was.
Steve Thomas
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12 hours ago, Robert Harper said:
No matter how much I read of this case, I still get amazed when I encounter information I don't recall encountering.
Robert,
If you look closely at the jail checkout cards, you'll notice that the checkout card for the 12:35 AM period is the only time when Oswald is not accompanied by Detectives from the Homicide and Robbery Bureau.
If you change the AM to PM, this time exactly matches the time when Fritz said he brought Oswald back to the office at 12:35 and returned him to his cell at 1:10.
See CD 81 pp. 460-461.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10483#relPageId=460&tab=page
During this interview, Fritz asked Oswald about the picture of him holding the rifle. The problem here is that, officially, the picture would not be brought back to the office until four hours later at around 4:00 PM. By comparing and cross-referencing the various versions of the 12:35 Interview in the Warren Commission documents with what's in the DPD Archives, you can see where attemps were made to cover this up.
There was some discussion of this 12:35 interview in the Education Forum in the thread entitled,
“Fritz ADDED the part about the photos afterward...” started by David Joseph on 11/28/2011.
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/18440-fritz-added-the-part-about-the-photos-afterward/
Steve Thomas
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1 hour ago, Bart Kamp said:
The damning Johnston statement in the video below nullifies the fairy tales above completely and only shows that Oswald was only arraigned for the Tippit murder.
Bart,
Mr. FRITZ. I believe we had another arraignment, did we not?
Mr. BALL. You had an arraignment charging him with the assassination of President Kennedy, murder of President Kennedy.
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; I went to that arraignment.
Mr. BALL. That was at what time? I believe you showed it at 1:35 a.m. in your records.
Mr. FRITZ. That would be about right.
Mr. BALL. 1:35?
Mr. FRITZ. I will tell you in a minute to be sure. I show 1:35.
Mr. BALL. That was where?
Mr. FRITZ. In the identification bureau.
Mr. BALL. Who was present?
Mr. FRITZ. That is just outside the jail.
Mr. BALL. Who was present at that time?
Mr. FRITZ. Well, I show Bill Alexander of the district attorney's office, Henry Wade. That was before Judge Johnston also, and I was there, and I am sure of three or four other people that I can't name.
I think Chief Curry might have gone to this, I can't answer for him, but I believe he might have.
Mr. BALL. That is one, 1:35 a.m., shortly after midnight was the arraignment.
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Now, your records show that he was checked in the jail at 1:10 a.m. and it doesn't show a checkout when he was taken to the arraignment.
Mr. FRITZ. To the arraignment. It probably wouldn't show that. Sometimes those cards, I don't usually make cards if the man is still in the custody of the jailers, and sometimes, of course, they might miss a card anyway because we use a lot of civilian employees up there.
Mr. BALL. And the jailer was there with him, wasn't he?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir. He brought him out.The jail checkout card does not show him as being checked out of the jail between 1:10 AM and 10:25 AM. The Lieutenant is probably Lt. Karl P. Knight, and JB is probably J.B. Hicks.
DPD Archives Box 15, Folder# 1, Item# 114
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box15.htm
From Batchelor Exhibit 5002, page 19:
If Oswald wasn't arraigned, and he wasn't checked out of jail, what the hell was going on at 1:35 in the morning of the 23rd?
Steve Thomas
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6 hours ago, Joseph McBride said:
And Oswald was never arraigned on the charge of killing Kennedy, only on the charge of killing Tippit.
Joe,
I don't know about the timing, but I had been under the impression that Lee Harvey Oswald was arraigned for the murder of JFK around 1:30 in the morning of November 23rd.
However, I read in Anthony Summer's book, "Conspiracy", that he says that LHO was NOT arraigned for this crime.
Sure enough, in CD 5, page 400 there is an undated FBI document that says, "No arraignment on the charges in connection with the death of President Kennedy was held inasmuch as such arraignment was not necessary in view of the previous charges filed against Oswald and for which he was arraigned."
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=405
And in CD 1084, page 11 is a letter from Hoover dated June 10, 1964 with attachments that reads, "Assistant DA Alexander...authorized the filing of a complaint...however, arraignment on this latter charge was not deemed necessary in view of the previous charges against Oswald and the prior arraignment." (for Tippit's murder).
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...mp;relPageId=15
So, was he arraigned or not, and if not, what the hell was taking place around 1:30 on the morning of November 23rd?
It's interesting that even though both CD 5 and the synopsis that Hoover provided with his letter in CD 1084 are both undated; in the memo that comprises CD 5, it says that the "following information was obtained by Hosty from the office of Will Fritz on November 25th.
That's two days after the fact.
The locals (Fritz, Curry, Wade, Johnston) are saying Oswald was arraigned. The federals are saying he was not.
Steve Thomas
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3 hours ago, Gaby Stan said:
That is, unless we can find some real dirt on the CUSA (and I'm all for the search) then I won't try to insinuate them in a JFK conspiracy, the way Patricia Swank tried to do.
Gaby,
I have been looking for some connection between the Miller/Whitter gunrunning case, the right wing activities of Larry Schmidt and the Joiner family, Lawrence Howard and Loren Hall running guns through Dallas, and the anti-Castro Cubans.
Memorandum of D.J. Brennan to William Sullivan dated May 8, 1964.
pp. 70-71
One interesting thing, Warren Commission Document #320 is a memo from SS Agent Rowley. On page 162 of that Report there is a newspaper article from October 27, 1963 issue of the Dallas Times Herald concerning the Stevenson incident.
In the article, Bobbie Joiner said there was no preplanning for Stevenson incident, but that, “some of the signs used were stored at former Major General Edwin A. Walker’s headquarters on Turtle Creek Blvd.”
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=162
This was the same incident that Larry Schmidt took credit for in one of his letters to Bernard Weissman. Schmidt was also quoted in the same October 27th issuesee page 161. This is also CE 1371.
On page 6 of Wallace Heitman’s April 29 Report, right in the middle of a discussion about the Cubans in Garland, he says that his source said that (blank) and (blank) (Quintana and Castro?) had told him that they had attended the meeting at the Dallas Municipal Auditorium in October, 1963 where Adlai Stevenson had given a speech and that they had worn placards outside the Auditorium which were anti-Stevenson in context.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=215
I'm not sure what this proves, other than these people were at the same place at the same time. Did they know each other? I don't know.Steve Thomas
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2 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:
He says that no one has ever been able to locate the Dallas Police log books. I assume these are the books in which dispatch orders are written out before or after they are broadcast. Is this true?
Jim,
I'm not sure what Mr. Rhode is referring to, but it seems to me that orders were being issued within seconds of each other. It seems like that would be kind of hard to do by writing them out beforehand.
Steve Thomas
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On 2/25/2019 at 2:30 PM, Joe Bauer said:
I would appreciate the links to other perhaps more detailed threads that go into the chain of command history of Oswald's security transfer on 11,24,1963.
Joe,
You might be interested in Peter Lempkin's 2013 reproduction of Martin Shackelford's notes from 2007 in the Deep Politics Forum.
Scroll about 2/3 of the way down the page:
https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-11541.html
Martin talked about the decision-making process some.
Steve Thomas
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1 hour ago, Joe Bauer said:
Steve, I just read all of officer Patrick Dean's WC testimony via the link you provided.
Just this alone is a gold vein of further inquiry justification that seems to have been relatively untapped.
Joe,
You might be interested in this from Vol. IX of the HSCA Report (pp 139-140)
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=955&relPageId=147
Dean failed a lie detector test.
Steve Thomas
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31 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said:
I have read the WC testimonies of Curry, Fritz, Batchelor and M.W. Stevenson.mmand history of Oswald's security transfer on 11,24,1963.
Joe,
Look at Patrick Dean and Burt Griffin's interactions with him.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/dean1.htm
First, is there anything about what you said on the record that was not correct?
Mr. DEAN - No, sir.
Mr. RANKIN - And the truth?
Mr. DEAN - No, sir.
Well, Mr. Griffin had questioned me about 2 hours, or maybe a little longer. There was no problems at all, no difficulties. And after that length of time, a little over 2 hours, Mr. Griffin desired to get off the record, and he advised the court reporter that he would be off the record and he could go smoke a cigarette or get a Coke, and he would let him know when he wanted him to get back on the record.
Well, after the court reporter left, Mr. Griffin started talking to me in a manner of gaining my confidence in that he would help me and that he felt I would probably need some help in the future.
My not knowing what he was building up to, I asked Mr. Griffin to go ahead and ask me what he was going to ask me. He continued to advise me that he wanted me to listen to what he had to say before he asked me whatever question he was going to ask me. I finally told him that whatever he wanted to ask me he could just ask me, and if I knew I would tell him the truth or if I didn't know, I would tell him I didn't know.
Mr. Griffin took my reports, one dated February 18, the subject of it was an interview with Jack Ruby, and one dated November 26, which was my assignment in the basement.
He said there were things in these statements which were not true and, in fact, he said both these statements, he said there were particular things in there that were not true, and I asked him what portions did he consider not true, and then very dogmatically he said that, "Jack Ruby didn't tell you that he entered the basement via the Main Street ramp."Griffin pretty much told Dean that he committed perjury and could go to jail for it. It got pretty heated.
Steve Thomas
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6 hours ago, Denis Morissette said:
Possible project. Anyone knows what software I could use for the following purpose: With your mouse, you would click in this example on Virgie Rackley.
Denis,
It seems like you would be looking for some kind of digital asset management software. Here's a list of some:
(I would think you'd want one where the images can be sorted by subject and searchable).
I have no idea of the costs.
Just for curiosity's sake I took a look at MediaValet and Airtable.
Steve Thomas
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10 hours ago, Pamela Brown said:
I would agree that I think there was an LHO impostor in USSR at the same time as LHO. Marguerite even alluded to that possibility.
Pamela,
Your suggestion led me to ask, in my own mind, if LHO's letters from Russia to Marguerite were consistent over the years, and with each other.
In asking myself that question, I happened to stumble on this site:
It doesn't answer my question. I'm just including it here for curiosity's sake. I hadn't seen this before.
Marguerite Oswald Reads Lee Harvey Oswald's Letters from Russia
Smithsonian Folkways Recordings
Steve Thomas
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3 hours ago, John Kozlowski said:
When Oswald was in Russia during 1961 someone was using his name to buy Jeeps. I'm assuming that was tied to Bannister's operation in NO. Do you know if an Oswald ID was produced then?
John,
I guess you're referring to the Bolton Ford incident. This is from AJ Weberman's Nodule 11:
AJ Weberman Nodule 11
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/weberman/nodule11.htm
The second to the last paragraph references CD 75 page 677. Here's a link to that FBI interview of Oscar Deslatte:
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10477#relPageId=681&tab=page
It doesn't look like the person presented a drivers license.
BANISTER AND THE BOLTON FORD INCIDENT
On January 20, 1961, the FBI generated a report that was File #2-41, subject, FRANK ANTHONY STURGIS - Neutrality Matters. This file was withheld. On January 20, 1961, two members of Friends of Democratic Cuba attempted to purchase several pickup trucks from Oscar Deslatte of Bolton Ford. One of them used the name LEE OSWALD. The FBI reported: "On November 25, 1963, Mr. William A. Watson, Vice-President, Bolton Ford Company, New Orleans, telephonically advised his truck manager informed him that the Friends of Democratic Cuba had made a bid on a truck and that the bid was signed by OSWALD. Another name appeared on the bill and believed to be Joseph Moler. He stated all information would be available through his truck manager, Fred Sewell." [NARA 124-10248-10153]
FRED SEWELL
Fred Sewell told an investigator for Jim Garrison: "I think that Oscar Deslatte wrote that on there, LEE OSWALD, but he didn't use the name HARVEY, just LEE OSWALD if I remember right. Yes, it's been six years of course. He represented himself as LEE OSWALD. He's the man that spoke up and said, 'I'm the man handling the money. You ought to have my name too...I would say that the men were in there that I could see them maybe an hour...So then when the President was assassinated and the name came out, Oscar come in either the next morning or the morning after and said, "Say Fred, do you remember those two guys who was in here from Cuba trying to get some buses cheap? And I said, 'Yes.' He said, 'I think that one of those men was the one who killed the President.' I said, 'Aw, you're kidding.' and he said 'We've got a piece of paper around here somewhere with a bid on it.' He went and hauled that piece of paper out and then Oscar called the FBI...The FBI come down and picked it up with two pieces of plastic. They didn't even put their fingerprints on it. And slid these two pieces of plastic on each side of it and offered us a receipt for it and took it with them." Fred Sewell was asked by Jim Garrison: "In other words they expected to find fingerprints on it?" Sewell: "Yes, but I don't think the man ever touched it, really. We did, but I don't think he did. Then Oscar come to me and he said, 'I got some kind of Freedom or Free Democrats of Cuba' or something. He had a name for it. He come in my office and he said kind of contributing to Cuba. He said they want ten buses or they want to bid on ten buses. Do you want to give them a good deal on it? Well, I said, seeing that they're having a hard time down there let's make it $50 over cost for each one of them." [James L. Alcock to Garrison 5.2.67] The files of the New Orleans FBI Office do not show that Fred Sewell was ever interviewed in regard to the Bolton Ford Incident.
OSCAR DESLATTE
Oscar Deslatte, another employee of Bolton Ford, confirmed the report of Fred Sewell in a conversation with the FBI: "Joseph Moore," and an unidentified Cuban male, insisted Oscar Deslatte sell them trucks at cost because they would be used against Castro. Joseph Moore said he was an ex-Marine who was involved in training the invasion brigade. He wrote his name and bid on a piece of paper and handed it to Oscar Deslatte. Joseph Moore then asked Oscar Deslatte to return the slip, and changed the name on it to "OSWALD." OSWALD was in the Soviet Union in 1961. [WCD 75 p677; FBI 67-39565-66; FBI FOIA req. Banister 105-95587-1 p10] In 1979 the FBI released copies of the records of Oscar Deslatte. To see this tag double click here. [Bolton.JPEG] The words "Friends of Democratic Cuba" and "OSWALD" appeared. [Memo 5.9.67 To: Garrison From: Alcock.] The FBI ran a file check on Joseph Moore on January 9, 1968. Most of the serials were non-identifiable. Serials 25-20038, 26-24044, 162-436 were followed by question marks. Serial 88-6623 had nothing next to it. The rest of the serial were marked "Not Identifiable." [FBI New Orleans 89-69-3730]
HEMMING did not believe the Bolton Ford incident took place: "There's no logical connection at all. Nobody used any trucks during the Bay of Pigs. There were no xxxxing trucks. Maybe they were trying to con him. Sounds like some Cuban trying to get a deal. Never heard of Moore."
Steve Thomas
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15 hours ago, Pamela Brown said:
Rich Pope said: I've always wondered why the car dealer allowed Oswald to test drive a car since he didn't have a driver's license. Sounds a bit risky to me.
I don't think that was LHO. I think it was an imposter.
Pamela,
This sounds like the guy who showed a Texas Driver's License to Fred Moore when he wanted to buy a couple of beers at the Jiffy Store.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=95645&search=%22Fred_Moore%22#relPageId=125&tab=page
Steve Thomas
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Why did Oswald change his itinerary two weeks after getting his passport in 1959?
Why did Lt. Colonel Frank Church travel from Tampa, FL to New Orleans to take a steamship to France? Why not book it out of Tampa?
Affidavit of George B. Church
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh11/pdf/WH11_GeorgeChurch_aff.pdf
p. 115
Why did Church and his wife book passage on a steamship that only carried 4 passengers, when its normal complement was 12?
Why, when Billy Lord was interviewed by the Secret Service about his shipmate aboard that trip, was LHO identified as Harvey Lee Oswald seven times in the same document?
Commission Document 498 - SS Rowley Memorandum of 13 Mar 1964 Forwarding Reports
pp. 37-38.
The anomolies keep piling up.
Steve Thomas
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David Harold Byrd, owner of the TSBD:
David Harold "Dry Hole" Byrd (24 April 1900 – 14 September 1986) was a noted Texan producer of petroleum, and a co-founder of the Civil Air Patrol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Harold_Byrd
Whitmeyer was a “Unit Advisor” to some unit of the Louisiana U.S. Army Reserves in 1955.
Oswald was in the Civil Air Patrol in Louisiana in 1955.
Ed Voebel told the FBI that Oswald quit attending the Moisant Airport CAP meetings sometime after being enrolled
as a member because another' CAP unit (at New Orleans Lakefront Airport) would be closer to home.
George Whitmeyer seemed to be based out of Selman Field in Monroe, LA. How big a geographic area was he an Advisor for?
Harold Byrd was a co-founder of the Civil Air Patrol.
Harold Byrd owned the TSBD
Oswald took a job at the TSBD in 1963.
Whitmeyer's wife worked at the Lykes Steamship Company.
Oswald was supposed to go to France on the Grace Lines Company, but went instead on a Lykes Steamship Company ship in 1959.
The Whitmeyers moved to Fort Worth in 1961, and to Dallas in 1963.
Oswald was in Russia in 1961.
Oswald moved to Fort Worth in 1962 and Dallas in 1963.
I don't know, is there something there?
Steve Thomas
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On 7/30/2018 at 12:46 AM, Steve Thomas said:
Who were these "Advisors" and what unit was Whitmeyer "advising" in Louisiana?
The Monroe News-Star from Monroe, Louisiana · Page 5
March 25, 1955
https://newspaperarchive.com/monroe-news-star-mar-25-1955-p-5/
“Those reserve officers interested in this program are urged to contact Major George L. Whitmeyer at the office of the unit advisor, United States Army Reserve, building T-39-2, Selman Field...:
The Monroe News-Star from Monroe, Louisiana · Page 3
September 21, 1955
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/89404823/
“Vacancies in the high school student draft deferment group still exist in the reserve army, Major George L. Whitmeyer, army reserve advisor, said Wednesday.The Monroe News-Star from Monroe, Louisiana · Page 3
October 23, 1956
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/84343273/
“Looking on as Capt. Pipes reads his new commission is Major George L. Whitmeyer, unit advisor.”
The Mexia Daily News from Mexia, Texas · Page 1
November 7, 1957
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/11876796/
“Mr. Castorr. who is now a- colonel in the Active Reserve serving as inspector and advisor to the 90th Division in Texas...”
From: Brandy: Our Man in Acapulco:
“...in December, 1953 he (Brandstetter) and several other officers were attached to different units for the first three months of 1954 assigned as “Inspector/Advisors” "
Steve Thomas
Training and Organization of the US Army Reserve Components: A Reference Text for Total Force Trainers and a Guide to Other US Military Services 1988-1989. published 1991
page 53
https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a236572.pdf
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(3)(D) “The Army has assigned AC (Active Component) personnel to advise full-time,specific RC (Reserve Component) units on all aspects of unit operation. These AC personnel are called dedicated advisors. Brigade-level units,divisions, separate GOCOMs, ARCOMs, and State headquarters have dedicated advisors; however, some selected battalion-size units, by virtue of their unique nature, mobilization priority,or geographical isolation, continue to have battalion advisors assigned. The AC end strength reductions mandated by Congress have resulted in the elimination of many dedicated advisor positions.
(E). In addition to the AC personnel assigned to advise specific units, there are organizations that assist units on a regional USATB (United States Army Training Board) basis.”
Steve Thomas
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The Times of Shreveport, Louisiana
July 15, 1962
https://www.google.com/search?q=%224150th+ARSU%22&client=firefox-b-1-d&biw=1611&bih=944&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=mKOtZKzVDPGU4M%253A%252CiDog6xBKO5mCAM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kRzONpClhVOiPVZeNHZonVq1dA7zQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiKp5_yos3gAhX2JTQIHUVPC4wQ9QEwAnoECAYQBA#imgrc=mKOtZKzVDPGU4M:
1966 Richardson (Texas) Daily News article that describes George Lumpkin as “Commandant of the 4150th ARSU Dallas United States Army Reserve School”.
https://newspaperarchive.com/tags/george-lumpkin/?pc=24581&psi=94&pci=7&pt=23960&ob=1/
Lumpkin was the Commandant of this Command and General Staff school in 1962 and as late as 1966.
This man was no dummy.
Steve Thomas
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5 hours ago, Richard Price said:
Steve, according to a Google search, code 30 is the Navy National Security Litigation (US Navy JAG Corps.
Richard,
Thank you.
Here's a transcript of an ARRB interview with Donald Monier.
http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/jfk/NARA-Oct2017/ARRB/CBARGER/WP-DOCS/MONIER.WPD.pdf
Look at the bottom of page 5 and the top of page 6.
Slipped up there a little bit, didn't he?
*smile*
Steve Thomas
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9 hours ago, Bart Kamp said:
Bart,
Do you have any idea what the "Code 30" references are on pp. 35 and 36 of your second post?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HWZoEXgUY8HyfMyxGrCIPOiWpB9-86_r/view
Steve Thomas
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8 hours ago, Bart Kamp said:
Bart,
I'm looking at the memos you provided here, and one name caught my eye right off the bat:
On page 1 of your second image of 71 pages...
Stephen Weiss was a Lt. in Dallas in 1963.
By 1971, he had been promoted to the rank of Major, and was the Public Information Officer for the whole 112th....
SAN ANTONIO EXPRESS Friday, February 26, 1971
By ALICE MURPHY
"Major Stephen Weiss, public information officer for the 112th, said he had been advised, politely, to have all calls on the matter referred to the Information Office of the Department of the Army in Washington, and gave two telephone numbers there. Neither answered Thursday evening.”
Steve Thomas
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8 hours ago, Bart Kamp said:From Malcolm Blunt and no I have no idea where page 2 is. If I get it or find it I will add it.These look like HSCA notes.I hope these get your blessing Steve
Bart,
Thanks for these. You helped me understand a little bit of something I've been puzzled about; I think...
In your first image, way over on the left, it shows the 112th being assigned to the 4th Army.
But, in articles in the San Antonio Express dating from the 1970's, it shows the 112th belonging to the 5th Army:
The King Alfred Plan and the 112th Military Intelligence Group'
March 28, 2011
http://coldcaseupdate.blogspot.com/2011/03/king-alfred-plan-and-112th-military.html
AN ANTONIO EXPRESS, Wednesday, March 4, 1970
Army's Civilian Spying Said Ended
“The 112th Military Intelligence Group is located here and was the operation which relayed information to the Data Bank for the 112th Army area although it is not part of the 4th Army. The fact the San Antonio-based 112th was among those units feeding information on the political activities o f civilians from San Antonio was confirmed by Army General Counsel Robert E. Jordan III*, at the pentagon.”
San Antonio Light, October 6, 1972
“Lt. Col. Mark A. Miles has been awarded the Legion of Merit upon his retirement at Headquarters, 5th Army. The medal cited Miles' service since April 1970, as deputy commander of the 112th Military Intelligence Group at 5th Army.”I think, when redesignated in 1966, it was also transferred from the 4th Army to the 5th Army, but that's just a guess on my part.
HEADQUARTERS 112TH MILITARY INTELLIGENCE BRIGADE
https://history.army.mil/html/books/060/60-13-1/cmhPub_60-13-1.pdf
pp. 222-223
LINEAGE:
(inactive)
Constituted 10 May 1946 in the Army of the United States as the 112th Counter Intelligence
Corps Detachment. Activated 21 May 1946 at Dallas, Texas. Allotted 26 February 1951 to the Regular Army. Re-designated 1 August 1957 as the ll2th Counter Intelligence Corps Group. Re-designated 25 July 1961 as the 112th Intelligence Corps Group. Re-designated 15 October 1966 as the ll2th Military Intelligence Group
The 46-49 numbers could either be a General Order number, or perhaps page numbers from this Memo: (My guess is that it page numbers from the Memo since the word "Doug" is written in the margin of the last image you provided.).
http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/jfk/NARA-Oct2017/ARRB/JGOSLEE/WP-DOCS/MIDRAFT.WPD.pdf
MEMORANDUM
May 30, 2017
TO:
Douglas Horne
FROM:
JIM GOSLEE
SUBJECT:
Military Intelligence Files
1. This memo is to inform you of the nature of information contained within files
identified by Steve Tilley as possible JFK Assassination Records.
I haven't looked at your next posting yet, but thanks for this, I've added it to my files.
Steve Thomas
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36 minutes ago, Bart Kamp said:
Ran across this just now, thanks to Malcolm Blunt.
From the Harry Livingstone archives.
Bart,
You can find these memos in the DPD Archives, Box 4, Folder# 2, Item #'s 48 and 49.
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box4.htm
There is a follow up interview conducted a couple of days later by Biggio and Carroll in Item# 50.
What's more interesting to me is that in an interview condudcted by Biggio alone on January 31, 1964, he learned that while there was no application by Oswald in the month of November, there was a job application for former TSBD employee, Fred Kaiser in the first two weeks of December.
See Box 18, Folder# 7, Item# 33.
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box18.htm
Didn't Kaiser have something to with a clipboard that Oswald was supposedly using on the 22nd and was supposedly found a couple of weeks later?
Look at Kaiser's references.
Also, in Box 18, Folder# 7, Item# 34, we learn that Jack Ruby parked his car in the Allright Parking Garage at 1308 Commerce on a monthly basis.
Steve Thomas
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6 hours ago, B. A. Copeland said:
Ive read that Kaminsky noted (and cleared) TSBD personnel exiting the bldg. I’ve also read before that LHO’s name was at the top of that list...
B.A.,
If you are thinking of the list of TSBD employees that comprise CE 2003, I don't think that is the list of names Kaminsky was writing down. I say that because there are several names of people on that list who were outside during the shooting and were not allowed back in the building.
I don't know what happened to Kaminsky's list, and I still don't know where the 605 Elsbeth St. address came from.
Warren Commission Exhibit 2003, located in (24H259) is a list submitted to Captain Gannaway through Lieutenant Jack Revill of Texas School Book Depository employees. It is dated November 22, 1963. Heading that list is Harvey Lee Oswald at 605 Elsbeth. Page 3 of CE 2003, found on page 260, is signed by R.W. Westphal, Detective, Criminal Intelligence Section and P.M. Parks, Detective, Administrative Section. R.W. Westphal and P.M. Parks were both Detectives in the Special Service Bureau.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1140#relPageId=277&tab=page
Though that list of employees is dated 11/22/63, in Westphal's interview with Larry Sneed in No More Silence, he talks about going home, and then returning to his office at the Fairgrounds to write up his report of a man at the Trade Mart with a “Free Cuba” flag. So, I'm not sure what time of the evening that list was actually typed up. While he was writing his Report, Captain Gannaway called and asked him to check the names of the TSBD employees against the Department's Intelligence files. Westphal said, “We had handwritten, partial lists; some of them, you couldn't read the names”.
You can see this reflected in the list in the entry in CE 2003 for Marg Lee Williams (actually, Mary Lee Williams)
In the DPD Archives, there is no interview or affidavit for Ms. Williams, just a handwritten note with her name and address.
DPD Archives, Box 3, Folder# 17, Item# 7
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box3.htm
Westphal did recognize the name of one man, Joe Molina however. Gannaway instructed Westphal to “bring the entire file down to his office”
V.J. Brian testified to the Warren Commission on May 13, 1964. He told the Commission that he was a “detective in the criminal intelligence section”, as was Roy Westphal. When the shooting occurred, he was at the Trade Mart. He said that, “...four of us detectives down there got in a car and we went to the Book Depository and we arrived there a short time, I don't know what time it was, a short time after the shooting occurred.
Mr. RANKIN. Who were the four you are describing now?
Mr. BRIAN. Lieutenant Revill, myself, a detective, O. J. Tarver, and a detective, Roy W. Westphal and we gave a man a lift, and I don't remember whether he was a CID, I don't know the man, I don't remember whether he was a CIC agent or a CID or OSI, he was some type of, as I recall, Army intelligence man.He only describes searching the TSBD and said, " in fact, I didn't have time to (write a report of the Hosty/Revill conversation) because when I got back there (to the second floor office of the Special Service Bureau, located directly below Captain Fritz's office on the third floor ) they had a list of names they were going to start checking out and they handed me six of them and says, "Start going and checking here and here and here and checking these people."
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=40#relPageId=57&tab=page
(5H33)
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/brian.htm
I thought it would be interesting to cross reference the employee with the person who interviewed them, and to see if they were actually interviewed, or just had an affidavit taken. Most of the interviews were conducted by Detectives in the Special Services Bureau,
Batchelor Exhibit 5002 p. 3. Page 120 of the pdf file.
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf
although James Leavelle, Guy Rose, and E.R. Beck were Detectives in the Homicide and Robbery Bureau, Captained by Will Fritz.
Batchelor Exhibit 5002 p. 28. Page 145 of the pdf file.
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf
The list of employees is arranged in three columns. The first column is an employee name. Some names are misspelled. The third column had their address and phone number. The second column is headed, “REF.INT.” Almost all of the names in that column have the word, “NONE” in that entry. Two names: Joe Molina and Mrs. J.E. Dean (Ruth Dean) have the letters, “INT” and a number. I believe that these are people who were listed in the Police Department's Intelligence Files, as described by Roy Westphal to Larry Sneed. And V.J. Brian in his WC testimony.
If what I believe is true, I noted a couple of things:
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Harvey Lee Oswald was not in the DPD Intelligence Files
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Charles Givens, who had a record of narcotic arrests; and as such, would fall under the purview of the Special Service Bureau is listed as NONE. Is this possibly an indication that Givens was an undercover informant to the Criminal Intelligence Section of the Special Service Bureau?
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There is no record of an interview of Buell Wesley Frazier. There is an affidavit, but no record of this arrest by the Irving Police Department, or of the hours he spent in the Dallas Police Department Headquarters.
Steve Thomas
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