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  1. On 12/1/2018 at 8:04 AM, Paz Marverde said:

    I am literally fed up with this situation.

     

    Here are 2 CMC papers showing Bloomfield. They show how Bloomfield was shareholder, for an astonishing amount of money, of CMC shares.

    For what it's worth, (or for those who can read Italian), here's a site that has all 12 pages of this filing.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/mettacmc/with/45405501734/

    I tried to get Google to translate these pages into English, but it responded that they have already been translated!

    I don't know how to get around that.

     

    Steve Thomas

  2. 3 hours ago, Robert Harper said:

    Researcher Michael Chambers stated that James Hepburn in the book Farewell America cited the following information concerning HUNT: HUNT had been in his 7th Floor office in the Mercantile Building and watched JFK ride by his window. After shots range out, HUNT fled Dallas with 6 men and 2 cars.

    HUNT fled to Mexico. HUNT stayed in Mexico for about a month at a hideout location.

     

    Any thoughts or comments appreciated.

     

    This is the second time in two days that I have encountered the idea that H.L. Hunt fled to Mexico after the assassination of JFK.

    The other occasion was this passage:

    Is There Evidence And Links That Implicate H. L. HUNT in the Assassination Of JFK?

    Ralph ThomaMonday, August 27, 2018

    Posted on Facebook

    https://www.facebook.com/notes/ralph-thomas/is-there-evidence-and-links-that-implicate-h-l-hunt-in-the-assassination-of-jfk/10156538526677350/

     

    “Evidence shows that H. L. HUNT fled from Dallas right after the assassination to a hideout ranch in Mexico. Evidence also indicates that GENERAL EDWIN WALKER had joined him there."

    "In the new book by JOHN CURINGTON called H.L. Hunt: Motive & Opportunity , CURINGTON confirms a long known rumor that MARINA OSWALD had been delivered to Hunt’s office just days after the assassination. She arrived in a black limousine that had US government tags. What she was doing there is unknown. At this time period, MARINA OSWALD had been under the protective custody of the Secret Service. According to CURINGTON, MARINA OSWALD was in the HUNT offices for some 20 minutes. Since H. L. HUNT had supposed to have been in Mexico, this is somewhat puzzling.”

    He offers the possibility that H.L. Hunt snuck back to Dallas covertly, or that Marina met with a different member of the Hunt family.

     

    Thomas says that, “Researchers Ted Rubinstein, Michael Chambers, Diane Olson Dowd, Jessica Shores, Gaylon Ross, James Hepburn, John Bevilaqua and Dick Russell have added to the building links and evidence found in this material.”

     

    Perhaps, Ralph Thomas got this information from James Hepburn.

     

    Steve Thomas

  3. https://www.facebook.com/notes/ralph-thomas/is-there-evidence-and-links-that-implicate-h-l-hunt-in-the-assassination-of-jfk/10156538526677350/

    "In the new book by JOHN CURINGTON called H.L. Hunt: Motive & Opportunity , CURINGTON confirms a long known rumor that MARINA OSWALD had been delivered to Hunt’s office just days after the assassination. She arrived in a black limousine that had US government tags. What she was doing there is unknown. At this time period, MARINA OSWALD had been under the protective custody of the Secret Service. According to CURINGTON, MARINA OSWALD was in the HUNT offices for some 20 minutes. Since H. L. HUNT had supposed to have been in Mexico, this is somewhat puzzling. However, there is the possability that HUNT could of covertly snuck back to Dallas and into his office or that MARINA OSWALD had a meeting with another HUNT aid. In later material, a letter is exposed written at a later date concerning an interview with MARINA OSWALD. The MARINA OSWALD visit to the HUNT offices just a few days after the assassination is both highly mysterious and highly suspicious as to exactly what was going on and why she was there. "

     

    Steve Thomas

  4. 8 minutes ago, David Andrews said:

    Steve, check past threads on the Forum.  A Hunt-Marina meeting some weeks after the assassination has been discussed here before, as some figure in the Hunt orbit claimed he saw Marina received at Hunt's office.  I couldn't tell you if it were true or not, nor speculate on the substance of the meeting.

    David,

    Thank you. For some reason I got the impression this meeting was the day of the assassination.

    Larry, I can see Hunt giving out money as a "fall back" to prevent "blow back".

     

    Steve Thomas

  5. On 12/20/2018 at 8:42 AM, Larry Hancock said:

    Hunt's aide (Curington) has a new book out and has spoken to researcher (he spoke at the CAPA event in Dallas). He makes it clear that he was familiar with Hunt's daily moments, that Hunt did not leave town immediately after the assassination and he makes no mention of any Hunt meeting other than with Marina Oswald.

    Larry,

     

    I don't often quote Bugliosi, but...

    Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy

    https://books.google.com/books?id=q1VJAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA1265&dq=Did+Hunt+leave+town+after+JFK%27s+assassination?&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjml8HS7a7fAhXPoYMKHaNHAUQQ6AEILjAB#v=onepage&q=Did%20Hunt%20leave%20town%20after%20JFK's%20assassination%3F&f=false

     

    Page 1265

     

    I'm sorry, the online version of the book I was looking at does not provide the footnotes for this citation, so I don't know where Bugliosi got that information

    However...

    Welcome Mr. Kennedy to Dallas” by Harry Hurt III

    Texas Monthly Magazine April, 1981

     

    Pages 246-247

    https://books.google.com/books?id=ySwEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA151&dq=%22Paul+Rothermel%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjP4Jfz767fAhWJilQKHZyIDvQQ6AEIMjAC#v=onepage&q=%22Paul%20Rothermel%22&f=false

     

    (In his article, Hurt does not say that Hunt actually left town).

     

     

     

    Steve Thomas

  6. 1 hour ago, Larry Hancock said:

    Hunt's aide (Curington) has a new book out and has spoken to researcher (he spoke at the CAPA event in Dallas). He makes it clear that he was familiar with Hunt's daily moments, that Hunt did not leave town immediately after the assassination and he makes no mention of any Hunt meeting other than with Marina Oswald.

    Larry,

     

    This reference to meeting between Hunt and Marina...

    Do you know if Curington or this researcher you mentioned say anything about when and where this meeting was supposed to have taken place?

    The reason I ask is that I don't remember anything about a Hunt/Marina meeting in the testimony of either Marina or Ruth Paine, nor in any Police, FBI or Secret Service reports I can think of.

    If it's true, it gives me pause about the whole Hunt/Oswald note.

     

    Steve Thomas

  7. 54 minutes ago, Larry Hancock said:

    Hunt's aide (Curington) has a new book out and has spoken to researcher (he spoke at the CAPA event in Dallas). He makes it clear that he was familiar with Hunt's daily moments, that Hunt did not leave town immediately after the assassination and he makes no mention of any Hunt meeting other than with Marina Oswald.

    Larry,

    I don't know about Hunt leaving town. I've never looked into that.

    Here is the Spartacus entry for Jack Crichton:

    https://spartacus-educational.com/MDcrichton.htm

    (6) Dick Russell, The Man Who Knew Too Much (1992)

    Five hours after the assassination, Ilya Mamantov, who had never met Oswald, received a phone call from Jack Crichton asking him to serve as "interpreter" for the first interrogation of Marina. Crichton was in 1963 the president of Nafco Oil & Gas, Inc., and a former Military Intelligence officer still connected with Army Reserve Intelligence. According to information uncovered by the Garrison investigation, Crichton had been among a small group of Army Intelligence officials who met with H. L. Hunt soon after the assassination.

    I don't know soon, "soon after" means.

    That afternoon? The next day? A week afterwards?

     

    Steve Thomas

  8. 8 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

    Well yes Steve, but Crichton was the Mamantov connection. So here we are again - local Military Intelligence, i.e. the 488th. 

    Why does your first link lead to a page warning me to go back and not to the page, claiming it’s possibly fake?

    Paul,

     

    According to, "Brandy, Our Man in Acapulco:" page 128:

    As was common for Brandy, (Brandstetter) he received a fine commendation for his work from his commanding officer, at this time, Colonel George Lumpkin....”

    Rose at ACSI told Branstetter to go see Crichton about a job. According to this, Lumpkin was Crichton's boss. (As far as local military intelligence matters go anyway).

    When the police asked Crichton about a Russian interpreter, Crichton told Lumpkin to call Mamantov.

    Lumpkin and Crichton are linked. Whatever Crichton knew or didn't know, or did or didn't do, Lumpkin more than likely knew about it.

     

    I don't know what it is about that first army.mil link . It does that to me too. Just go ahead and push through that. It's got to be something about how their software code is written.

     

    P.S. Does anybody know anything about this line in Dick Russell's book,

    "According to information uncovered by the Garrison investigation, Crichton had been among a small group of Army Intelligence officials who met with H. L. Hunt soon after the assassination."  Didn't Hunt leave town right after the assassination? And, who was in this small group of Army intelligence officers?

     

    Steve Thomas

  9. 3 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

    What I’m hoping to focus on is the local Dallas Military Intelligence angle, Colonel Jones, Crichton/Brandstetter, etc.

    Paul,

     

    In addition to the cast of characters you mentioned, you might add George Lumpkin, George Whitmeyer and L. Robert Castorr.

    George Lumpkin:

    Headquarters

    Department of the Army

    26 July 1967

    General Orders No. 33

    https://www.apd.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/pdf/web/go6733.pdf

    Page 5

     

    (Go to: Publications, Army General Orders, Pub/Form Number DAGO 1967-33, Click download.)

     

    V. Legion of Merit. By direction of the President...for exceptionally meritorious conduct in the performance of outstanding service is awarded to...

     

    Colonel George L. Lumpkin. Intelligence and Security, United States Army, July, 1960 – June, 1967

    Rode in the pilot car with George Whitmeyer and allowed or didn't notice that people had gathered on the railroad overpass.

    Warren Commission Hearings. Vol. XIX p. 106

    https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=43&search=Mamantov#relPageId=114&tab=page

    Ilya Mamantov identified Jack Crichton as a petroleum independent contractor, “and if I'm not mistaken he is connected with the Army Reserve, Intelligence Service.” Five minutes later, George Lumpkin called Mamantov. Thirty minutes before they called Mamantov however, he had called the FBI and offered his services because he knew Oswald and “knew of his background here in Dallas.”

    https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKmamantov.htm

    (2) Dick Russell, The Man Who Knew Too Much (1992)

    "Five hours after the assassination, Ilya Mamantov, who had never met Oswald, received a phone call from Jack Crichton asking him to serve as "interpreter" for the first interrogation of Marina. Crichton was in 1963 the president of Nafco Oil & Gas, Inc., and a former Military Intelligence officer still connected with Army Reserve Intelligence. According to information uncovered by the Garrison investigation, Crichton had been among a small group of Army Intelligence officials who met with H. L. Hunt soon after the assassination."

    After the assassination, George Lumpkin returned to the TSBD and took command there.

    DPD Archives Box 14, Folder# 4, Item# 10 page 22.

    http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box14.htm

    DPD Dispatch tapes

    http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/index.htm

    12:49 PM

    15

    15's in charge down here. Correction, 5's (Dept. Chief G.L. Lumpkin) in charge.

    He posted Lieutenant Eric Kaminsky at the front door to take down the ID of anyone leaving.

    Kaminsky may have taken down Oswald's ID as he was leaving.

    It was Lumpkin to whom Roy Truly reported that Oswald was "missing".

     

    Memorandum by SS Agent Roger Warner and Elmer Moore dated 12/1/63

    These became the SS copy of the Dispatch Tapes found in CD 87 beginning on page 636 and running to page 644.

    http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/J%20Disk/Justice%20Department%20of/Justice%20Department%20of%20JFK-King%20Reinvestigation/Item%2005.pdf

    Page 5.

    On November 29, 1960, SA Warner conferred with Chief Lumpkin, Police Department, relative to reports of Police dispatches covering the arrival of President Kennedy in Dallas, Texas, the subsequent assassination and removal of President Kennedy to Parkland Memorial Hospital. These broadcasts were transmitted on Channel 2 which was an auxiliary channel used by the Police for special occasions. Also Chief Lumpkin provided for transcription on our tape the Police recordings of Channel# 1, the standard Police band which on the date of the Presidential assassination contained the Police broadcasts relative to the capture of Lee Harvey Oswald and the shooting of Police Officer Tippit.”

    So, George Lumpkin took command of the crime scene, was instrumental in providing a lead that Oswald was "missing", provided the interpreter for Marina Oswald, and had control of the police dispatch tapes

    Steve Thomas

     

  10. 1 hour ago, Paul Brancato said:

    I attended a symposium a few days ago where John Newman presented results of his deep dive into Antonio Veciana. He has come to the conclusion that Veciana worked for ACSI, not CIA. Jim D was there, as were a few other forum members like David Josephs, Pat Speer, and Larry Schnapf (sp) I’m hoping that the aforementioned Forum members will corroborate my understanding of Newman’s  presentation on Veciana. If he is right, Alpha 66 and Veciana worked for General Lansdale, who was reporting primarily to Army Intelligence. If this is true, it’s a game changer.

    Paul,

     

    You might be interested in this thread:

     

    Steve Thomas

  11. On 12/19/2018 at 8:42 AM, Lewis Reynolds said:

    Just bringing this old post back to the top, having looked at the photos I believe the cops aren't different but have just swapped positions.

    So for some reason COP 2 who was at the back to start with, has tidied his cap and moved to the front. I wonder if this is because hes higher ranking and saw photographers?

     

     

    B.jpg

    C.jpg

    D.jpg

    Lewis,

    I think you're right. In the earlier picture (in front of the chain link fence), Bill Bass is in the rear.

    The two policemen swapped positions as they were crossing the intersection, and Bass, seeing the photographers, cleaned up his act and began to look "smart".

    The other policeman is Marvin Wise.

    Here's a couple of pictures from Denis Morrisette:

    https://jfkinvestigators.wordpress.com/2016/02/24/jfk-investigators-identification-project/

    Wise is on the left next to car 59

     

    Here's one with Wise pictured in the inset:

     

    I think the tramps case got so muddled is because they were, in fact, arrested twice that afternoon. Once by the Sheriff's Department, and again by the City Police Department. One time they were asleep on sheets of steel on a flatbed and driven to the station by police in different colored uniforms, and the second time they were hauled out of a gondola (coal car) and walked through Dealey Plaza.

     

    Steve Thomas

     

  12. 21 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

    Steve:

     

    Were they trying to hide it with the wrong dates?

    Jim,

     

    No, I don't think so. I think Warner just messed up and nobody caught it. His Affidavit was done 8 months after his two-page Report of his interview with Little Lynn. If anything, you have to wonder why his two-page Report didn't include the observations he made eight months later.

    Was his December, 1963 toned down? Or was his August, 1964 Affidavit "embellished"?

     

    Steve Thomas

  13. On 7/18/2004 at 2:22 PM, Steve Thomas said:

     

    You can read Roger Warner's affidavit of his interview with Little Lynn here:

    http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/warner_r.htm

    Steve Thomas

    Okay, I think I understand.

    Warner's Memorandum wasn't dated December 12th, it was dated December 2nd. His affidavit was wrong. The interview actually took place on November 24th. See below for his two-page report. His actual Report doesn't mention Karen Carlin as being "... highly agitated and was reluctant to make any statement to me. She stated to me that she was under the impression that Lee Harvey Oswald, Jack Ruby and other individuals unkown to her, were involved in a plot to assassinate President Kennedy and that she would be killed if she gave any information to the authorities. It was only through the aid of her husband that she would give any information at all. She twisted in her chair, stammered in her speech, and seemed on the point of hysteria."  I wonder why his 8/4/64 Affidavit was so different from his 12/2/63 Report

    From Warner's affidavit:

    " The information related by Mrs. Carlin was reported by me in a Memorandum Report dated December 12, 1963, from notes I had taken during the interview."

     

    http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/FBI%20Records%20Files/44-24016/44-24016%20Volume%2029/44-24016-29B.pdf

    Page 11

    Set out below is the identity of the documents obtained from the USSS including the pertinent USSS documentation number, a brief description of what the item relates to, as well as the identity of the Bureau supervisor to whom the particular item was directed.

    Item 423 Two page USSS report of SA Roger C. Warner dated 12-2-63, at Dallas re interview of Karen Carlin, dancer at Carousel Club.( W. L. Martindale)

     

    http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/FBI%20Records%20Files/44-24016/44-24016%20References/44-24016%20Referral/44-24016%20Referrals%20A.pdf

    Page 34

    This is a two-page report of an interview of Karen Carlin dated 12/2/1963.

    The interview was conducted on 11/24/63

     

    Steve Thomas

     

     

  14. On 7/18/2004 at 7:30 AM, Greg Parker said:

    Hi Steve,

     

    You said, " You might also want to read, I think it is a Secret Service report of an interview with Little Lynn by Roger Warner. Very instructive."

    Is this online somewhere? Not sure if I've seen it before or not...

    greg

    I have looked in vain for Roger Warner's December 12, 1963 interview of Karen "Little Lynn" Lynn Bennett (Carlin).

    For the life of me, I can't seem to find it.

     

    Steve Thomas

  15. This part has always puzzled me:

     

    WC testimony of W.R. Westbrook:

    http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/westbrook.htm

     

    “There wasn't a car available, and so I walked from the city hall to the Depository Building, and I would stop on the way down where there would be a group of people listening to somebody's transistor radio and I would stop and catch a few false reports,...”

     

    “I had walked down an aisle and opened a door onto an outside loading dock, and when I came out on this dock, one of the men hollered and said there had been an officer killed in Oak Cliff.
    Well, then, of course, I ran to my radio because I am the personnel officer...”

     

    If he had walked from City Hall to the TSBD, then how...?

     

    Steve Thomas

  16. I always liked this one:

    Between Two Worlds, by Peter Applebome.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=SCsEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq="Jake+Hamon"&source=bl&ots=92o5DJpss6&sig=CaLj2-EcG8m_-3jlFldJrvMm3FQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj5uaPxrprUAhWZ2YMKHQzSCOkQ6AEIWzAN#v=onepage&q=%22Jake%20Hamon%22&f=false

    pp. 106+

    Jake L. (Louis) Hamon, multi-millionaire. Worth 200 million. Gin rummy partner of H.L. Hunt. A director of American Petroleum Institute. Youngest man ever to have served s its Chairman. (p. 107).

     

    March 5, 1964 FBI Interview of Jake Hamon, 500 Vaughn Building. Interview conducted by SA Richard L. Wiehl CD 555. p. 43.

    https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10954&relPageId=44&search=Hamon

     

    First met George DeMohrenschildt in 1947 in Rangely, CO.

    Said DeMohrenschildt was an inferior geologist.

    Said Demohrenschildt's closest associate was Paul Raigorodsky.

    Hamon said that DeMohrenschildt was a “good looking nothing”, and that if he could take him or leave him, he would leave him”.

     

    Steve Thomas

  17. In his blog, I have some secrets for you”, Maurice Phillips wrote in 2006:

    http://somesecretsforyou.blogspot.com/2006/01/links-between-jfk-assassination-and.html

     

    “Thank you for your comment.
    The idea that there was more than on assassination plot seems to take source in the nature of the
    professionnal intelligence/military operation that took place in Dallas. Since it was of tantamount importance that this operation result in JFK execution, the professionals that conducted it used two qualities of military operation: compartmentalization and redundancy. The reason why there is so many different trails leading to Cuban Exiles, CIA, American Mafia and Corsican shooters, maybe that the big plot was separate in many different independent operations. This way the final objective of killing JFK had a high probability of success even if one or many of the commandos in action were stopped.”

     

    In 1971, Vince Salandria wrote in an article for COMPUTERS and AUTOMATION :

    https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/FalseMystery/Original-ModelOfExplanation.pdf

     

    “So overwhelming and voluminous is the evidence of conspiracy provided for us by the government that we are compelled to conclude that if not the, at least a number of possible plots, were meant by the conspirators to be quasi-visible. The federal government has deluged us with evidence that cries out conspiracy.”

     

    I personally think that is is the case as well. The reason so many culprits have been identified is because there were at least a couple of independent groups at work. However, how they would have coordinated their efforts at that specific place, at that specific time, eludes me.

     

    Steve Thomas

  18. 11 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

    Steve - thanks for your continued efforts to get at the truth. I see that Larry Hancock has found your research helpful. 

    Im looking forward to seeing Garrisons files on the French Connection, assuming that the files are real. I think he is the source that inspired Fensterwald. There have been some dead ends on the French Connection for sure. Just as with Crichton’s 488th MID there are many uncorroborated stories that keep circulating. I don’t think in either case - French/Corsican/OAS, or 488th, that the lack of corroboration, or the dead ends, are proof that they are just rumors. My inclination is to see the lack of corroboration and the clearly false leads (Christian David for instance) as evidence in and of itself that there is something hidden. 

    In a conversation with Larry, I said,

    "The way I see it, you've got three tracks to a "French Connection"

    1) You've got Steve Rivele and his work with Christian David and Lucien Sarti.

    2) You've got Fensterwald and his work on Mertz and Souetre

    3) You've got William Reymond and his work on the Three Tramps.

    JFK : autopsie d'un crime d'État

    http://oasassassinatjfk.e-monsite.com/pages/les-vraies-clochards-et-vagabonds.html

    He identified Souetre as being one of the shooters using the code name, "Max"

    (A tantalizing clue here is that "Maxime" was the radio call sign for the 40/541 parachute unit Souetre commanded in Algeria between 1957 and 1960).

     

    If anything, I'm inclined to go along with Rivele who said in later years that if he were to do it over again, he'd concentrate on Paul Mondolini - drug trafficker out of Montreal (where Mertz was also sent after his double-cross in the Pont-sur-Seine affair and also involved in narcotics trafficking). As I read it, the Americans were tracking Mertz the drug smuggler, but lost him shortly before JFK's assassination. This is what Lamar Waldron says in his Legacy of Secrecy.

     

    I guess I would add a fourth track.

    In his book and blog, Maurice Philipps also traces the origin of JFK's assassination back to the Montreal underworld.

    I HAVE SOME SECRETS FOR YOU
    By Maurice Philipps
    http://somesecretsforyou.blogspot.com/

    http://somesecretsforyou.blogspot.com/2006/01/links-between-jfk-assassination-and.html

     

    Montreal, where Paul Mondolini was a drug kingpin and where Mertz (who also was involved in heroin smuggling) was sent after he double-crossed the OAS in the Pont-sur-Seine assassination attempt against DeGaulle. As he put it, "One of most active members of the French Connection, Corsican Paul Mondolini was in Cuba associate to both Trafficante and Rivard. He also was accomplice of French smuggler and secret agent Michel-Victor Mertz."

    Tinea Warrenist in jfk-fr.com summarized Philipps book this way this way:
    Sunday October 31, 2004 with 14h46 #11891

    "The book of Maurice Phillips relates, mainly, to the bonds that there would have been between the Montreal underworld and the assassination of Kennedy, particularly the case of Lucien Rivard, sought in Texas for heroin traffic, and who was the middleman between the underworld Italian of Montreal (pledged with that of New York) (Joe Bonanno) and famous "French Connection" Marseillaise..."

    The "French did it" is just as bad as people who say, "The CIA did it."

    As you put it, "there are many uncorroborated stories that keep circulating."

     

    Steve Thomas

  19. A couple of things:

    1) As I pointed out to Paul Brancato once, if you read that memo carefully, the first two sentences are second-person statements. (The French said this, and the French said that...)

    When you get to to the sentence that starts out, "He was in Fort Worth on morning of 22 November..." however;  the sentence becomes a declarative statement. Is this information coming from the French, or the CIA writer of the memo? After that sentence, the memo reverts back to second hand information from the French.

    This is suspicious to me.

     

    2) No, the rest of that memo has never surfaced. We don't know who wrote it, or when it was written.

    I believe that this is the copy of the photograph that was included with the memo:

    image.thumb.png.2d4413551e0ce461bc5d784c76b05e93.png

     

    Steve Thomas

  20. Perhaps this belongs in another thread, but maybe some future researcher will find this and can make better sense of it all than I can.

    Footnote number 19 in A Possible French Connection:

    https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=6060&search=%22howard_hunt%22+AND+SPAIN#relPageId=44&tab=page

    Page 44

    Aux Ordres du SAC, by Gilbert Lecavlier, 1982

    (In the orders of, or under the orders of SAC)
     

    Lecavalier was SAC. SAC and the OAS hated each other. He wrote in his book that whereas the the main effort of SAC between 1958 and 1960 was against the FLN (the pro-independence Algerian rebels), between 1961 and 1967, it was against the OAS. In his book, he published a Directory of SAC (insofar as 1968 anyway).  There are some names here that I hadn't encountered before.

    Maybe you can use this in your studies.

    Aux Ordres du SAC, by Gilbert Lecavlier, 1982

    (In the orders of, or under the orders of SAC)

    https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k4814563g/f29.image.texteImage

    page 23:

    image.thumb.png.d67cad111cb350d67ebfb395412c4719.png

     

    Steve Thomas

  21. This CIA cable was in reference to an upcoming visit by DeGaulle to Mexico City (I think it was, slated for March of 1964.

    A CIA document dated November 1, 1962 gives a list of the OAS members furnished to the Italian authorities. The list was given to Italian border police and replaced a longer list of some 562 people. It says the list was current as of August 27, 1962. An asterisk placed beside some names indicated that a photograph accompanied the name of the person. Souetre has an asterisk beside his name.


    NARA Record Number: 1993.08.05.10:50:12:500006

    http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=64991&relPageId=3

     

    http://www.50elysee.com/fileadmin/user_upload/AFP/ARCHIVE/4-DE_GAULLE-Allemagne-4-5.9.1962.pdf

    In September, 1962, Charles DeGaulle traveled to West Germany for a state visit.

    In advance of his visit the West German Security Services asked the French Surete for photographs of several chief men of the O.A.S. Among these were ex-colonels Goddard and Antoine Argoud; ex-captains Souetre, Sergent, Curutchet; and ex-senator Dumont.

    (see p. 5 of this document)

     

    Steve Thomas

  22. What's coming across to me is that La Cavalier was SAC and right-wing. He infiltrated the OAS in service to SAC.

    Gary Shaw's affidavit and Fensterwald's supporting documentation was done in the 1980's - twenty years after the fact.

    There was that little bit about Cavalier's phone being tapped in the mid-1980's in an investigation of arms dealing.

    As I mentioned to Paul Brancato a while back, I've never read any first-person account of someone who said, "Yes, I saw Souetre in Louisiana and trained with him.", or, "Yes, I met with Souetre when he met General Walker, or anything from Walker that said, "Yes, I met Souetre in April, 1963" (or whenever it was supposed to have happened.) (or anything either from Souetre who said, "Yes, I met General Walker.")

    It's all third-hand, written twenty years after the fact and just repeated over and over.

    I need to learn more about ETAC.

     

    Steve Thomas

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