20 hours ago, William Kelly said:

My updated version on Pathfinder - the CIA Plan to Kill Castro that was Redirected to JFK at Dealey Plaza. 

https://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2018/10/pathfinder-at-jmwave-1-2-3.html

Bill Kelly - Billkelly3@gmail.com 

Bill,

On your blogspot page, you wrote:

"“Three years later, on June 20, 1978, the second chief counsel to the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) G. Robert Blakey, wrote to Mr. Scott Brekenridge, Principal Co-cordinator between the HSCA and the Office of Legislative Counsel, Central Intelligence Agency, asking a series of requests for documentary records. 

“In connection with its investigation into the circumstances surrounding the death of President Kennedy, the House Select Committee on Assassinations requests access to the following information:

1.      Any and all reports and documents, including indices and records under any pseudonyms, concerning or referring to Jose Luis Romero. Romero is believed to be a pseudonym. Romero reportedly served in the French military in Algeria in the 1950’s and worked with American intelligence. He was reportedly also an agent of the French secret military organization O.A.S."

Romero is referenced in Fensterwald's, "A Possible French Connection"

see page 19

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=29226&search=%22Jose_Luis+Romero%22#relPageId=19&tab=page

It says that Romero was of Spanish descent.

I can't tell from this wording if Romero says he was hired in May, 1962; or if JFK was in Paris in May, 1962.

Steve Thomas

2 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

One of the more disappointing aspects of the recent crop of literature on the JFK assassination itself, is the fact that it makes little or no use of the ARRB documents. I have said that before but since it continues, I have to say it again.

Jim,

I just wish they were keyword searchable.

It just seems like in this day and age, that's inexcusable.

Steve Thomas

On 10/19/2018 at 12:34 PM, David Josephs said:

 

I wonder what they think was so "pertinent" ??

 

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Steve Thomas

3 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

One of our most valued contributors, Michael LeFlem, takes  look at Major Ganis' The Skorzeny Papers.

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-reviews/major-ralph-p-ganis-the-skorzeny-papers-evidence-for-the-plot-to-kill-jfk

Jim,

Thanks. I personally agree with LeFlem in his conclusions about Souetre.

Ganis wrote, " “The actual sniper, or team of snipers, was directed by Jean René Souètre..."

I just have never found any evidence of that.

LeFlem writes, " To suggest, as Ganis does, that he (Jean René Souètre) was the lynchpin of the ground operations in and around Dealey Plaza, while ignoring the more probable Cuban exile culprits, seems strained."

I agree.

Steve Thomas

11 hours ago, Larry Hancock said:

Steve, I think I would forego the movies and check out the standard infantry hand signals guides...grin.  Probably focusing on WWII hand signals.  

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=sprLW-CBL8WatgWdzJ2IDA&q=infantry+hand+signals&btnK=Google+Search&oq=infantry+hand+signals&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l3j0i22i30l7.19265.26900..28260...3.0..0.96.1557.24......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i131j0i10.UaRh5KvlRQc

 

Larry,

Thanks. That was pretty cool.

If I'm reading that right, a closed fist pumped up and down is the signal for "hurry up". Maybe someone with better photography skills than I have could put together a short gif focusing on the DCM's right hand.

Steve Thomas

On 10/18/2018 at 10:47 PM, Ron Bulman said:

Doesn't look like Felipe.

Ron,

I have read several times that the Dark Complected Man was pumping his fist up and down.

Personally, I don't see that in the photos I have looked at. To me, it appears that he is waving with an open hand.

The reason I mention it is that isn't holding your closed fist up in the air a sort of universal sign for soldiers in the brush to halt? (at least according to movies I've seen) *grin*

Steve Thomas

37 minutes ago, David Josephs said:

 Croy's affidavit does not mention any activities from the 22nd.. despite his testimony claiming he was downtown, at the Tippit scene, at the Texas Theater and eats at Austin's...

 

David,

Have you read Croy's WC testimony closely? Can you make heads or tails of exactly which affidavit they are talking about?

I like this part:

Mr. GRIFFIN. Was that prepared by hand?
Mr. CROY. Yes, it was.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Were you responsible for getting the typing done?
Mr. CROY. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Who did you turn that report over to?
Mr. CROY. Captain Solomon.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Then was it his responsibility to get the typing done?
Mr. CROY. I don't know. I just turned it in. What he did with it, I don't know.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did it eventually come back to you?
Mr. CROY. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. The typed copy never came back to you?
Mr. CROY. No.

The DPD brass didn't like what he had to say and had him come back and do another one.

Mr. CROY. No; well, I will put it this way, that it took us 8 hours to get that up. That is how interested they were.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You talked with them for 8 hours?
Mr. CROY. On 2 different occasions. That day and the next day, for 4 hours each day. That is pretty interesting.

Mr. CROY. No; we talked the entire thing over, and after we talked everything over and they brought the stenographer in and we went back over it again, then I left and she typed it up, and I came in the next day and we went back over it again and back over it and so on.

Mr. CROY. What it was, the stenographer took it, and then she typed it up. Then the next day I went back down there and they re-read it to me and went over and over and over and over the same thing over and over again. And then I took it into Lieutenant Curtis and signed it and had it notarized.

Steve Thomas

24 minutes ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Whoever this unidentified person was, he was not a member of the Secret Service
and was unknown to Detective Buhk. This is yet another report that unidentified "Secret Service
agents" were encountered by witnesses following the assassination, yet all Secret Service agents were
with the President.

--From Harvey and Lee, pp. 858 and 860, Copyright © 2003 by John Armstrong

Jim,

I did a piece on Secret Service Agents that had been reported in places other than Dealey Plaza a while back.

You can read a copy here if you like:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/12084-secret-service-on-the-knoll-and-beyond/

Of Marvin Buhk, I wrote:

"As Buhk wrote in his after-action report to Police Chief Jesse Curry on December 3, 1963, “We converged on that location and there were Secret Service men and other patrol and CID officers present when all the people were ordered out of the building. One of the Secret Service men stated the person who came out of the basement with the others was not the suspect and that he had already talked to him a few minutes previously.”15.

Notice that Marvin Buhk speaks of more than one Agent being present. The “Agent” Buhk spoke to was also a primary catalyst in shifting attention away from the branch library. At 1:32PM, Patrolman C.T. Walker broadcasts on Channel 2 that the suspect is in the Library. At approximately 1:40 Sergeant C.B. Owens tells Dispatch, and the Dispatcher broadcasts to all cars to “Disregard all information on the suspect arrested, it was the wrong man.”16. This is only about an eight-minute window of opportunity. When did these “secret service men” arrive at the Library, how did they know to go there, and when did one of them have time to “talk to the man previously”?

I would also note that Marvin Buhk was a Detective and he distinguished between the "Secret Service" men, and officers of the Criminal Intelligence Division of the DPD. I think he would be able to tell the difference between the Secret Service and the Special Service Bureau of the DPD.

15. From Report to Chief J. E. Curry, by Marvin A. Buhk. Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald, (Original), 12/03/63. Dallas Police Archives, Box 2 Folder # 7: as cited in the City of Dallas Archives – JFK Collection http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm

16. Transcript of Radio Log, Channel 2. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, Sawyer Exhibit A, volume XXI, pp. 396-397, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...Vol21_0211a.htm

Steve Thomas

2 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Tom,

 Croy had been a professional cowboy for about 12 years, and he also worked in real estate, construction, and owned an “oil service station.” 

Jim,

What do you think the chances are that these are the same gas station?

Warren Commission testimony of Ray Hawkins on April 3, 1964:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/hawkins.htm

Hawkins responds to the Tippit shooting, but doesn't stop at 10th and Patton. He goes to the Library neighborhood at Jefferson and Marsalis (where the Library is, about six blocks east of where Tippit has been shot) ) and starts circling the area. He drives back to 10th and Patton, picks up Thomas Hutson, and then he and Baggett stop and make a phone call from a Mobil Gas Station at 10th and Beckley, leaving Hutson in the car. When Hutson blows the siren to let them know that a suspect has been seen at the Library, they go rushing back over there.

When Kenneth Croy testified to the Warren Commission on March 26, 1964, he said,

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/croy.htm

Mr. GRIFFIN. Where do you live?
Mr. CROY. 1658 Glenfield Dallas, Tex.

“Mr. GRIFFIN. What is your occupation?
Mr. CROY. I have several.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Let's have them in order.
Mr. CROY. I am in the real estate business. I have a Mobil service station...”

1658 Glenfield is roughly a mile southwest of the Texas Theater

posting by an unknown author in the ReopenKennedyCase Forum 1/29/2014:

“Croy’s home by the way was 1658 Glenfield. This was the same street that J. D. Tippit lived on until 1961. Glenfield was also the same street that Carl Amos Mather used to live on a few blocks from Tippit’s house when they first became friends. For those unfamiliar with Mather he is connected to proceedings becuase a license plate number was taken down by garage mechanic T. F. White close to the Texas Theater immediately after Oswald’s arrest that was traced back to Carl Amos Mather’s car. The occupant of the car seen by White bore an uncanny resemblance to Lee Harvey Oswald and Carl Mather, when interviewed, told of his friendship with J. D. Tippit. Tippit's old house of 1919 Glenfield, even though he and his family no longer lived there in 1963, was still in his possession and the property was rented out. As far as I'm aware it was never investigated who it was rented out to. Croy’s house was three blocks from the house Tippit owned. During his Warren Commission testimony it is interesting to note that Croy was not asked if he knew Officer Tippit.”

No explanation for Hawkins' mysterious phone call has ever been provided. I have also tried unsuccessfully to locate this Mobile gas station on Google Maps at any of the four corners of that intersection. Do you know hos to search property records?

Steve Thomas

4 hours ago, Ken Rheberg said:

 

The shadowy figure you've circled on the east side of the grassy knoll in Bothun #4 has nothing to do with the couple who were standing at the top of the stairs (BDM) in Moorman and Betzner.

 

Ken,

No, he doesn't. And I don't believe that the BDM is a black couple.

Steve Thomas

In the past, I have tried to make the case that the DCM is Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro.

He was the President of the Alpha 66/SNFE group that met at the house on Harlendale.

One of the Directors of the Group,  Raoul Castro owned a Rambler Station Wagon.

I believe that Orcarberro was also the dark-complected driver of the Rambler that Roger Craig saw pick up Lee Harvey Oswald after the shooting.

David Boylan has affirmed to me that the DCM is Vidal Santiago based on assertions of the Santiago family.

Would you say that this man is 5'11", 158 lbs, has brown hair, wears dark glasses, and has a dark complexion?

The physical description provided above is not that of the Dark Complected Man, but of Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro.

See 5/26/64 FBI Report of SA Wallace Heitman, page 5

http://www.maryferre...p;relPageId=223

an INS description of Rodriguez here:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11250#relPageId=7&tab=page

lists him at 69” tall, 145 lbs, brown hair, brown eyes and born in 1928 in Santiago, Cuba.

Report of Wallace Heitman dated May 26, 1964 regarding Manuelel Rodriguez Orcarberro.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11481#relPageId=219&tab=page

This is CD 1085 page 219.

His report says that Manuel Rodriguez was voluntarily interviewed on February 10^th and May 20^th, 1964.

On page 2 of Heitman's report (page 220 of CD 1085), it says that “Rodriguez registered as an alien of Dallas, Texas on September 6, 1963, at which time his address was reflected as 1208 Hudspeth Street. His last prior address was listed as listed as 5310 Columbia Street, Dallas.” The report says, “A photograph of Rodriguez appears in this file.”

I haven't found this photograph, so I can't compare it to the Dark Complected Man.

Steve Thomas

I had never read this account before and am just passing it along for historical sake.

Among other things, he talks about "the football".

Milton Wright drove the car carrying Mr. and Mrs. Cabell in the motorcade.

http://www.texaspress.com/sites/default/files/2014WinnersCircle.pdf

See page 19 of this pdf file.

Steve Thomas

1 hour ago, Lance Payette said:

Yes, this is a small issue and a small matter.  But how come every time I spend an hour or two diving into these small matters they don't check out?  To what extent is Conspiracy Thinking built upon a foundation of non-facts such as this and the dark but completely unwarranted speculation that flows from them?

 

Lance,

It's possible that the poster confused the Rio Grande National Life Insurance Company with the Republic Investment Company.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=77654&relPageId=20&search=Rio_Grande Building

The owners of the Republic Investment Company, located at 848 Rio Grande Building were suspected of bookmaking operations in Dallas with close ties to Campisi and Vincent Marcello of New Orleans.

See also https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=83307&relPageId=6&search=Rio_Grande%20Building

concerning an investigation of Raymond Cosmo Terranella and James Henry Dolan.

I agree. The poster should have been more careful. No matter where you fall on the conspiracy vs. lone assassin argument, there is no excuse for poor scholarship.

Steve Thomas

On 10/10/2018 at 10:00 AM, Douglas Caddy said:

Book review by Bill Kelly (CAPA research paper):

 

Trudi Castorr, wife of Colonel William Castorr, also knew the Odios and Machann, and it was Colonel Castorr who Nancy Perrin Rich says met with her husband and Jack Ruby

I think Castorr's name is wrong. It should be L. Robert Castorr.

His wife's name at the time was Gertrude A. Castorr.

Steve Thomas

Here's a better idea of what I'm thinking about the BDM man leaving the steps and heading east after the shots:

Steve Thomas

On 10/6/2018 at 10:57 PM, Ron Bulman said:

Black Dog Man was a image in a picture open to interpretation.   Why he's called that I'm not sure, the DPD had no black officers at the time. 

 

Ron,

My own personal belief is that you can see this BDM person moving from left to right, or west to east in the various shots below. I think a photographic technique was used on the negatives to blot out his identity. That's my belief anyway.

Steve Thomas

On 10/17/2018 at 7:28 AM, Jim Hargrove said:

That Hogwash excerpt obviously contains some speculation, but I'll bet it is right on the money as far as it goes.

Jim,

Yep. It's pretty much all speculation (although he does have some footnotes).

Steve Thomas

On 10/15/2018 at 6:47 PM, Denny Zartman said:

http://jfkcountercoup2.blogspot.com/2018/10/tosh-plumly-with-rosselli-in-dallas.html

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/rich_n.htm

Interesting coincidence? 

Denny,

You quoted, " The whole Castro assassination plot, from the Jim Wave, and mongoose, and all that, Roselli was aware of what was going on on those particular things because in some cases the shooters and people that were involved in those things, particularly Truillio, came out of organized crime."

I tend to dismiss a lot of what Fletcher Prouty says. I find him bombastic. But he did say one thing that struck me. I was watching a conference with him and John Judge and a few other people (there was one guy who was a big advocate of the idea that organized crime was responsible... but I can't remember his name right now).

Anyway, Prouty was asked if he was ever involved in any assassination plots or other skullduggery. He paused for a long five or ten seconds, and replied with one word, "Trujillo". I thought that was poignant.

Steve Thomas

PS: Many people think that the "Colonel" involved in the Nancy Perrin Rich affair was L. Robert Castorr.

The Mexia Daily News from Mexia, Texas · Page 1

November 7, 1957

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/11876796/

Mexia Man Receives Appointment Earl McKeilh, (center) is pictured with L. Robert Castorr, of Dallas, Southwestern division manager of the National Federation of Independent Business, and Si N. Meadow, district manager of the organization from Austin.

“Earl McKeith was coming out of a local bank Tuesday and came face to face with a man who was one of his fellow Army officers in the early thirties. Earl didn't recognize him but L. Robert Castorr, of Dallas, immediately grabbed Earl's arm and said "I know you." Mr. Castorr. who is now a- colonel in the Active Reserve serving as inspector and advisor to the 90th Division in Texas., and Mr. McKeith, a Reserve. Army captain, were first lieutenants when they served with each other in the Second Infantry Division. They last saw each other in 1930. Col. Castorr served with Merrill's Marauders in Burma during World War II.” “Mr. Meadow was accompanied to Mexia by L. Robert Castorr, the Southwestern division manager for the National Federation of Independent Business. Mr. Castorr formerly served in the U. S. Army with Mr. McKeilh.”

Steve Thomas

And then there is:

The Incredible Story of Mike Robinson
by Walt Brown
Reprinted from "Treachery in Dallas"

http://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t732-the-incredible-story-of-mike-robinson

Steve Thomas

Researchers of this topic might be interested in :

OSWALD-TIPPIT ASSOCIATES
Staff Report of the Select Committee on Assassinations
U.S. House of Representatives
Ninety-fifth Congress Second Session
March 1979

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/jfkinfo4/jfk12/hscalojt.htm

Steve Thomas

13 minutes ago, Gene Kelly said:

His son Ralph didn't seem to know much about his father's involvement in the Tippit murder and Oswald arrest.   Nor was their any resolution to the allegation that Westbrook was a member of the 488th reserve.  Westbrook did divorce his wife, and then remarried and got back together in 1994 (two years before he passed away).  He did testify before both the Warren Commission and the HSCA, but never mentioned the wallet. For someone so central to the Tippit murder scene and DPD apprehension of Oswald, there is precious little known about Captain Westbrook.  Its strange (and stands out) ... in contrast, we know far more about the peripheral players and personalities. 

Gene,

Yeah, that Brian Castle guy made a lot of claims in that Forum group, with nothing to back them up. I had the same skepticism that that other poster, Hasan had.

Steve Thomas

21 hours ago, Gene Kelly said:

Steve:

Westbrook is interesting. 

 As I stated in an earlier post, you cant find very much about William R. Westbrook in searches ... as one researcher put it, its as though he didn't exist.  A true spook.

Gene

Gene,

Just some FYI's

This supposedly is a photo of Westbrook on page 26 of this book.
The Missing Chapter. by Jack Swike

I am not vouching for the author or his book. It's just something I ran across. Swike apparently served at Atsugi in the Marines.

https://books.google.com/books?id=64ji-mF2oaAC&pg=PA26&lpg=PA26&dq="William+R.+Westbrook"&source=bl&ots=0xdb2t1bTz&sig=YT8bpNEzyNXWrzg4hG-pY_ooQI0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjAu-KAtOLSAhWB6oMKHR-JADY4ChDoAQgmMAQ#v=onepage&q=%22William%20R.%20Westbrook%22&f=false

Dallas Morning News, The (TX) - February 21, 1996
Deceased Name: Rites set for William Ralph Westbrook
Services for William Ralph "Pinky" Westbrook , a retired Dallas Police Department captain, will be at 1:30 p.m. Wednesday at Go Ye Village in Tahlequah, Okla. Mr. Westbrook , 78, died Monday of cancer at his home in Tahlequah. He worked for the Dallas Police Department from 1940 to 1965. He also worked as a special investigator for the Dallas County district attorney's office from 1970 to 1983. His wife, Anna Fern Westbrook , said he liked his job but he did not talk about it to his family. She said Mr. Westbrook wanted to do something that would benefit all the people of Dallas. "He would do just about anything for anybody because he was a very generous person," she said. "He also liked working back in the early days because he said it was not as dangerous as it is today." Mr. Westbrook is also survived by his son, Ralph Westbrook Jr. of Dallas; three grandchildren; and two great-grandchildren

His son, Ralph Westbrook, responding to a question from a Brian Castle in the Reopen Kennedy Case Forum

10/22/2015

http://www.prayer-man.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/rokc%20forum/www.reopenkennedycase.org/apps/forums/topics/show/13102710-addendum-to-my-essay-on-westbrook4658.html?page=2

Pre-1963, just trying to establish the history. I'm sifting through service records, I have one with a serial number ending in 696, starting on 30 Dec 1941. Is that right?

“Yes, I tried to edit that in, but it doesn't show up. He only spent a very short time in the milatary (sic)(less than six months) because of bleeding stomach ulcers. I don't remember ever hearing about any reserve activities, of course I wasn't around at that time. Dec, 1941 would have been about the right time.”

Steve Thomas

On 10/10/2018 at 8:47 AM, Gene Kelly said:

  Researcher Jones Harris wrote that when Westbrook left the Dallas police in 1966, he went to work overseas at the Office of Public Safety, an agency that worked at the liaison between the CIA and the South Vietnamese police forces.  Information in the 1998 Larry Sneed book "No More Silence" indicates that Westbrook worked for the United States Agency for International Development (i.e. CIA). 

 

Gene,

Just an FMI (For my information)

*grin*,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Public_Safety

“The Office of Public Safety (OPS) was a U.S. government agency, established in August 1962 by president John F. Kennedy to train police forces of America's allies.[1] It was officially part of USAID (US Agency for International Development), and was close to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).[2] Police-training teams were sent to South Vietnam, Iran, Taiwan, Brazil, Uruguay and Greece.[3] Courses were held in French, Spanish and English.[3] According to a 1973 document revealed in the Family jewels CIA documents, around 700 police officers were trained a year, including in handling of explosives.[4] It was dissolved in 1974.”

CIA "Family Jewels," June 25, 2007 Release

Current Section: CI/Police Group

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=60409#relPageId=607&tab=page

page 607

Steve Thomas

8 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said:

You have something more revealing with Texas State guard units?

 

Paul,

Nothing more than what I've already shared with you in our many discussions.

From here on in, I think it will take somebody going through the State Archives at the Texas State Library in Austin, and/or The Texas Military Forces Museum located in Building 6 on Camp Mabry in Austin, Texas. The street address of Camp Mabry is 2200 West 35th Street. The mailing address is P.O. Box 5218, Austin, TX 78763. The current entrance is on Maintenance Drive.

Steve Thomas