On 10/24/2018 at 10:21 AM, Jim Hargrove said:

Steve,

Without directly answering your questions, perhaps a broader look at things might shed some light on all this.

 

Jim,

It struck me a little while ago that 3 out of the 5 policemen who drove Oswald back downtown from the Theater all submitted their reports after going through Westbrook:

Carroll, Bentley and Hill. So I got wondering if the others in the car also went through Westbrook.

What a mess:

WC testimony of Bob Carroll

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/carroll.htm

Mr. CARROLL. Well, after we got the handcuffs on him - it was McDonald and Jerry Hill, Ray Hawkins and myself, and I believe there was - I think it was Hutson - we started out of the theatre and we took him out through the main lobby to our car, which was parked right in front where we had left it - where Lyons and I pulled up, and we put him in our car in the back seat and I was driving and Jerry Hill was riding next to me and somewhere after this deal, someway or other - I don't know exactly when it was - Paul Bentley had joined the crowd, and he got into the car in the right - front seat and then Oswald and Hutson, I believe, were in the beck seat, and we left there and drove to the police station.

Hutson was not in the car, but C.T. Walker and K.E. Lyon were.

There were 5 cops and 1 prisoner, and Carroll got 3 out of the 5 cops wrong. That's a 60% error rate.

After action report of Bob Carroll

DPD Archives Box 2, Fold# 7, Item# 12

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm

Carroll's WC testimony differs from his own after-action report.

M.N. McDonald did not ride in that car.

After action report of K.E. Lyon:

DPD Archives Box 2, Folder# 7, Item# 31

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm

WC testimony of C.T. Walker:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/walker_c.htm

Mr. WALKER. There was a plain car, police car out in front. The right door was open, and Bentley went in first, and Oswald come and then I. We sat in the back seat with him. Sgt. Jerry Hill in the front, and two more detectives that I don't know who they were, that rode down, too. There were five officers and Oswald in the car. We took him down.

After-action report of C.T. Walker:

DPD Archives Box 2, Folder# 7, Item# 49

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm

Bob Carrroll:

:Paul Bentley had joined the crowd, and he got into the car in the right - front seat and then Oswald and Hutson, I believe, were in the beck seat, and we left there and drove to the police station.:

Mr. HILL. Officer Bentley--the suspect was put in the right rear door of the squad car and was instructed to move over to the middle. C. T. Walker got into the rear seat and would have been sitting on the right rear.
Paul Bentley went around the car and got in the left rear door and sat on that side.
Mr. BELIN. That would have been from the left to the right, Bentley, Oswald, and Walker? Or Bentley, the suspect, and Walker?
Mr. HILL. K. E. Lyons got in the right front. I entered the door from the driver's side and got in the middle of the front seat.

These guys can't seem to remember who was in the car or where they were sitting.

Steve Thomas

On 10/24/2018 at 4:34 AM, Jim Hargrove said:

In other words, the bogus Hidell SS card was not among the contents of Oswald’s wallet on 11/22/63.  There is a lot more to this story, but I just wanted to make sure everyone was aware of the fact that the Hidell draft card (and undoubtedly the Hidell “Certificate of Service” card) were NOT found in Oswald’s wallet by the Dallas police on 11/22/63.  (Thanks to DJ for pointing me to the full doc page.)

Jim,

Some questions:

1. If the Selective Service Card was in Oswald's wallet, and the wallet was in police possession on the 22^nd, why, during his official interrogation on the 22^nd, wasn't Oswald asked about it until only the 23^rd.?

2. If, as Bookhout said, the card was in the name of Alek James Hidell, why did Rose say the card said “A. Hidell”? (Which just happens to be the name the rifle is ordered under. See below.

3. Did Fritz ask Oswald about the Selective Service card, or did this mysterious person Fritz called, “B.O.”? (whom I believe was James Bookhout)?

            Fritz said Bookhout asked him about the card. Kelley said Fritz was the one who asked about the card. Bookhout couldn't remember who asked about the card. What's going on        here?

4. Why, if Fritz had the Selective Service card in his hand and showed it to Oswald, did he mis-spell the name as “Heidel” in his Interrogation Notes.?

5. Did Oswald “deny” that the Hidell signature was his, or did he simple “not admit” that the signature was his? There is a slight difference in interpretation here. An hour later, at 12:30 on the morning of the 23^rd., Oswald was claiming that the pictures of him with a rifle were forgeries. Was he claiming that the Hidell signature on the Selective Service card was a forgery too?

6. Why would Oswald admit to having the card, but deny the signature was his? What is the logic here? What is he trying to tell us?

7. There is no record of Oswald ever using the card as identification for anything. The only times I can remember the identity of Hidell being associated with Oswald is in his efforts to infiltrate, or someone else planting the implication of Oswald being associated with communism; and tying Oswald to the rifle ordered from Klein's.

   Since the Hidell SS card is such an obvious forgery, I can only assume that it is the signature on the card that is important.

Steve Thomas

5 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

That's a good question Steve.  Why did detective Bentley go to Westbrook's office, in Personnel to make out his murder arrest report?  Didn't the detectives have their own offices/desks/area?  Or there was homicide, where the investigation was actually taking place.  Maybe he needed Westbrook's help in getting his story straight?

Ron,

Bentley was a Detective in the Crime Scene Search Section headed by J.C. Day.  Why didn't he go to Day to make his Report?

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf

Steve Thomas

2 hours ago, David Josephs said:

Hill goes on:  Mr. HILL. Paul Bentley called off two addresses. One, as I recall, in Irving, and another one in Oak Cliff, when he was reading from information inside the suspect's billfold. But neither of these addresses was an address on 10th or on Beckley.

 

 

 

 

David,

There is no ID with an Irving address on it.

The only ID with an Oak Cliff address is that Library Card

The only two accounts that put the Library card in Oswald's wallet prior to his arrival at police headquarters are erroneous.

In his after-action Report dated December 3, 1963, DPD Archives, Box 2, Folder# 7, Item# 4, page 2

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm

Detective Paul Bentley wrote: “On the way to the City Hall, I removed the suspect's wallet and obtained his name.... I turned his identification over to Lt. Baker. I then went to Captain Westbrook's office to make a report of this arrest.”

There is nothing in his Report about obtaining an address. Oswald's ID immediately went to Lieutenant Baker. Where is Bentley's Report to Westbrook done on November 22^nd. Was it written, or was it just an oral report? Why did he go to Westbrook to make his Report? Westbrook was in Personnel.

Bob Carroll, who was in the car heading back downtown, and from whom Jack Revill told the WC that he had gotten the Elsbeth St. address, told the WC:

Mr. BELIN. Did he give two names? Or did someone in the car read from the identification?
Mr. CARROLL. Someone in the car may have read from the identification. I know two names, the best I recall, were mentioned.
Mr. BELIN. Were any addresses mentioned?
Mr. CARROLL. Not that I recall; no, sir.

Steve Thomas

David,

In his after-action Report dated December 3, 1963, DPD Archives, Box 2, Folder# 7, Item# 4, page 2

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm

Detective Paul Bentley wrote: “On the way to the City Hall, I removed the suspect's wallet and obtained his name.... I turned his identification over to Lt. Baker. I then went to Captain Westbrook's office to make a report of this arrest.”

There is nothing in his Report about obtaining an address. Oswald's ID immediately went to Lieutenant Baker. Where is Bentley's Report to Westbrook done on November 22^nd. Was it written, or was it just an oral report?

Why did he go to Westbrook to make his Report? Westbrook was in Personnel.

Bentley worked in the Crime Search Section under J.C. Day.

Batchelor Exhibit 5002 page 18 of the Exhibit (p.19 of the pdf file)

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf

Gerald Hill's testimony before the Warren Commission

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/hill_gl.htm

Concerning Oswald's arrest:

“When we got it back ready to sign, Carroll and I were sitting there, and it had Captain Westbrook's name for signature, and added a paragraph about he and the FBI agent being there, and not seeing that it made any difference, I went ahead and signed the report.”

Gerald Hill's Report to Curry for November 22, 1963 does not contain Captain Westbrook's name or signature or Carrol's. There is no combined Carroll/Hill Report with Westbrooks name for signature.

DPD Archives, Box 2, Folder# 7, Item# 23

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm

Steve Thomas

44 minutes ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Ron,

This suggests to me that the Hidell IDs were not sent to Washington the night of November 22/23.  Why?  

 

 

Jim,

Without going into a lot of the details right now, I personally think that a whole lot of document forging went on in the DPD crime lab the night of the 22nd.

The library card, the backyard rifle pictures, the Hidell card....

I am convinced that LHO was asked about the rifle pictures at a Saturday 12:35 PM interrogation at which only Will Fritz and Thomas Kelley were present; four hours before they were "officially" found at the Irving St. address. Fritz (or some other police officials) went to great lengths to try and cover that up.

Steve Thomas

1 hour ago, David Boylan said:

Gene,

Great post.

 

David.

Yup.

Gene demonstrates once again the importance of not missing the forest because you're focused on the trees.

Gene also wrote, " The Army Infantry hand signals (used in combat situations) are a good hint as to what might have been transpiring."

(Thanks again Larry for the tip).

Applying the tactics of triangulation of fire and especially enfilade give a good idea of what was going on. When your enemy approaches in a broad front, hit them in the center. When he approaches in column formation, hit them from the side.

Steve Thomas

11 hours ago, David Josephs said:

For "BO" to ask Oswald about "HIDELL" as having been on ID in his wallet (per FBI SA Manning Clements), the inventory listed in Clements' report must have been correct...

 

• Notes are taken at the interrogations which take place on the 22nd, all day the 23rd and the morning of the 24th
  Kelley, Hosty, Bookout, Clemments and someone called "B. O."
  
  
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  Are we to believe - that despite having these items in their possession - or at least awareness of their existence...  Oswald was not asked about the 2 identities until the afternoon of the 23rd? and then by someone Fritz calls "B.O."  Best we could figure out - since Bardum Odum is not listed on the FBI list of Interrogation attendees - is this must be Bud Owens given the interrogation was initially related to Tippit's murder...
  
  
  
  
  
   

 

 

 

 

 

David,

Will Fritz's Interrogation Notes:

http://www.jfklancer.com/Fritzdocs.html

1^st Interview November 22^nd:

Present Were:

B.O. + James Hosty

Jame W. Bookout

(B.O. is identified separately from James Bookout)

I now believe that when Fritz wrote his notes, he thought that Bookhout was two words and he didn't know how to spell it, so he shortened it to B.O. Later, he went back in and filled it out as James W. Bookhout, and that's why his name is filled out both above and below the letters B.O. (That's one of the reasons I believe Fritz's notes are fraudulent, or at least not contemporaneous).

The question of the Hidell ID does not come up until Oswald's second interrogation at 10:35 of the morning of the 23^rd.

In Fritz's Interrogation Notes of the 23^rd, he says that B.O. asked Oswald about the Hidell ID.

http://www.jfklancer.com/docs.maps/fritz4-5.jpg

He wrote that Oswald admitted having the card, but says that Oswald would not admit to having signed it.

WC testimony of James Bookhout:

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/bookhout.htm

Mr. STERN - What sort of question would he refuse to answer? Was there any pattern to his refusing?
Mr. BOOKHOUT - Well, now, I am not certain whether this would apply then to this particular interview, the first interview or not, in answering this, but I recall specifically one of the interviews asking him about the Selective Service card which he had in the name of Hidell, and he admitted that he was carrying the card, but that he would not admit that he wrote the signature of Hidell on the card, and at that point stated that he refused to discuss the matter further. I think generally you might say anytime that you asked a question that would be pertinent to the investigation, that would be the type of question he would refuse to discuss.

You can find a copy of James Bookhout's Reports on the Interrogations of Oswald in Appendix XI of the Warren Report here:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=946#relPageId=643&tab=page

In his Report on the Interrogation of Oswald of the 23^rd, he says that Dallas Police Officers F.M. Turner and Billy Senkel were present, but I think he confused them with Officers, Hall and Boyd.

On page 623 of this Appendix, Bookhout talks about Oswald and the Hidell ID card, but does not specifically say who asked Oswald about it.

The WC testimony of Elmer Boyd, and the Report of Thomas Kelley of the SS both mention Bookhout as being present.

Steve Thomas

13 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

Did either of you read the Skorzeny Papers?

Paul,

I think Michael LeFlem demonstrates once again the importance of doing primary research. It's just not good enough for someone to say, "It's true because someone said somebody said".

If the rest on Ganis' book is similar to what he wrote about Souetre, I don't think I'll be wasting my time.

Steve Thomas

20 minutes ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Maybe Joe McBride will comment on some of this stuff.  Would be very interesting to get his thoughts.  He comes by the forum once in a while.

From John A....

I recently looked over the items taken from LHO's wallet.

On 11/22/63 there is no photographic evidence or list of inventoried items from the wallet that shows with the SS Hidell card nor the 
USMC Certificate of Service card in the name of Hidell. And neither card is listed on the DPD typewritten inventory of LHO's possessions (225 items).

 

Jim,

I don't know how this factors in, but both Guy Rose of the DPD and Manning Clements of the FBI told the WC that they examined the wallet on Friday, and said they saw the Hidell ID in it.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/rose_g.htm

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/clements.htm

Rose told the WC he saw that ID before he went to Irving to search the place at 2:30 PM.

Like I said, I don't how that fits.

Steve Thomas

On 10/22/2018 at 7:57 AM, Larry Hancock said:

Cory made me think a bit on this one, is there any film footage from further up the street that shows him with his arm in motion or raised....in reality any real signal would be made well before the limo is right beside him.  Just curious.

Larry,

In 2014, Richard Douglas posted a series of photos of the Dark Complected Man in the jfkassassinationforum

here:

http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=da10693a75f6fceb0ce372badd010bff&topic=11687.0

But somebody hacked that forum, and those pictures aren't available anymore.

There is this site:

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Dark+Complected+Man%22&client=firefox-b-1-ab&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjZ46CbqZreAhUGo4MKHdNRC_IQsAR6BAgAEAE&biw=1358&bih=745#imgrc=4rVDEOFecmUznM:

which contains this photo:

The picture on the top left looks like his arm is not raised at all. (I think this is the photo that is often famously used to show the Black Dog Man in the background).

Steve Thomas

9 hours ago, Chris Davidson said:

Extant Zfilm.

Chris,

Thank you.

Steve Thomas

Jose Luis Romero

Transcript of a radio program called, “Kaleidoscope” on February 25, 1981 containing an interview with Bernard Fensterwald, Richard Billings and Gary Shaw.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=6762&search=%22Jose_Luis+Romero%22#relPageId=58&tab=page

This interview contains the following exchange:

JFK Documents - Central Intelligence Agency/ Russ Holmes Work File/

NARA Record Number: 104-10429-10050

KENNEDY ASSASSINATION (I)

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=6762&search=%22Jose_Luis+Romero%22#relPageId=71&tab=page

starting on page 15 of the transcript:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.zvab.com/buch-suchen/titel/400000-dollar-f%25FCr/autor/gilles/&prev=search

Bernard was probably referring to this book:

Gilles , Camille .:

$ 400,000 for the killer.

[search for this title]

Ullstein Verlag, 1976

Provider Gerald Wollermann , (Bad Vilbel, Germany)

Steve Thomas

20 hours ago, William Kelly said:

My updated version on Pathfinder - the CIA Plan to Kill Castro that was Redirected to JFK at Dealey Plaza. 

https://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2018/10/pathfinder-at-jmwave-1-2-3.html

Bill Kelly - Billkelly3@gmail.com 

Bill,

On your blogspot page, you wrote:

"“Three years later, on June 20, 1978, the second chief counsel to the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) G. Robert Blakey, wrote to Mr. Scott Brekenridge, Principal Co-cordinator between the HSCA and the Office of Legislative Counsel, Central Intelligence Agency, asking a series of requests for documentary records. 

“In connection with its investigation into the circumstances surrounding the death of President Kennedy, the House Select Committee on Assassinations requests access to the following information:

1.      Any and all reports and documents, including indices and records under any pseudonyms, concerning or referring to Jose Luis Romero. Romero is believed to be a pseudonym. Romero reportedly served in the French military in Algeria in the 1950’s and worked with American intelligence. He was reportedly also an agent of the French secret military organization O.A.S."

Romero is referenced in Fensterwald's, "A Possible French Connection"

see page 19

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=29226&search=%22Jose_Luis+Romero%22#relPageId=19&tab=page

It says that Romero was of Spanish descent.

I can't tell from this wording if Romero says he was hired in May, 1962; or if JFK was in Paris in May, 1962.

Steve Thomas

2 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

One of the more disappointing aspects of the recent crop of literature on the JFK assassination itself, is the fact that it makes little or no use of the ARRB documents. I have said that before but since it continues, I have to say it again.

Jim,

I just wish they were keyword searchable.

It just seems like in this day and age, that's inexcusable.

Steve Thomas

On 10/19/2018 at 12:34 PM, David Josephs said:

 

I wonder what they think was so "pertinent" ??

 

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Steve Thomas

3 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

One of our most valued contributors, Michael LeFlem, takes  look at Major Ganis' The Skorzeny Papers.

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-reviews/major-ralph-p-ganis-the-skorzeny-papers-evidence-for-the-plot-to-kill-jfk

Jim,

Thanks. I personally agree with LeFlem in his conclusions about Souetre.

Ganis wrote, " “The actual sniper, or team of snipers, was directed by Jean René Souètre..."

I just have never found any evidence of that.

LeFlem writes, " To suggest, as Ganis does, that he (Jean René Souètre) was the lynchpin of the ground operations in and around Dealey Plaza, while ignoring the more probable Cuban exile culprits, seems strained."

I agree.

Steve Thomas

11 hours ago, Larry Hancock said:

Steve, I think I would forego the movies and check out the standard infantry hand signals guides...grin.  Probably focusing on WWII hand signals.  

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=sprLW-CBL8WatgWdzJ2IDA&q=infantry+hand+signals&btnK=Google+Search&oq=infantry+hand+signals&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l3j0i22i30l7.19265.26900..28260...3.0..0.96.1557.24......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i131j0i10.UaRh5KvlRQc

 

Larry,

Thanks. That was pretty cool.

If I'm reading that right, a closed fist pumped up and down is the signal for "hurry up". Maybe someone with better photography skills than I have could put together a short gif focusing on the DCM's right hand.

Steve Thomas

On 10/18/2018 at 10:47 PM, Ron Bulman said:

Doesn't look like Felipe.

Ron,

I have read several times that the Dark Complected Man was pumping his fist up and down.

Personally, I don't see that in the photos I have looked at. To me, it appears that he is waving with an open hand.

The reason I mention it is that isn't holding your closed fist up in the air a sort of universal sign for soldiers in the brush to halt? (at least according to movies I've seen) *grin*

Steve Thomas

37 minutes ago, David Josephs said:

 Croy's affidavit does not mention any activities from the 22nd.. despite his testimony claiming he was downtown, at the Tippit scene, at the Texas Theater and eats at Austin's...

 

David,

Have you read Croy's WC testimony closely? Can you make heads or tails of exactly which affidavit they are talking about?

I like this part:

Mr. GRIFFIN. Was that prepared by hand?
Mr. CROY. Yes, it was.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Were you responsible for getting the typing done?
Mr. CROY. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Who did you turn that report over to?
Mr. CROY. Captain Solomon.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Then was it his responsibility to get the typing done?
Mr. CROY. I don't know. I just turned it in. What he did with it, I don't know.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did it eventually come back to you?
Mr. CROY. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. The typed copy never came back to you?
Mr. CROY. No.

The DPD brass didn't like what he had to say and had him come back and do another one.

Mr. CROY. No; well, I will put it this way, that it took us 8 hours to get that up. That is how interested they were.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You talked with them for 8 hours?
Mr. CROY. On 2 different occasions. That day and the next day, for 4 hours each day. That is pretty interesting.

Mr. CROY. No; we talked the entire thing over, and after we talked everything over and they brought the stenographer in and we went back over it again, then I left and she typed it up, and I came in the next day and we went back over it again and back over it and so on.

Mr. CROY. What it was, the stenographer took it, and then she typed it up. Then the next day I went back down there and they re-read it to me and went over and over and over and over the same thing over and over again. And then I took it into Lieutenant Curtis and signed it and had it notarized.

Steve Thomas

24 minutes ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Whoever this unidentified person was, he was not a member of the Secret Service
and was unknown to Detective Buhk. This is yet another report that unidentified "Secret Service
agents" were encountered by witnesses following the assassination, yet all Secret Service agents were
with the President.

--From Harvey and Lee, pp. 858 and 860, Copyright © 2003 by John Armstrong

Jim,

I did a piece on Secret Service Agents that had been reported in places other than Dealey Plaza a while back.

You can read a copy here if you like:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/12084-secret-service-on-the-knoll-and-beyond/

Of Marvin Buhk, I wrote:

"As Buhk wrote in his after-action report to Police Chief Jesse Curry on December 3, 1963, “We converged on that location and there were Secret Service men and other patrol and CID officers present when all the people were ordered out of the building. One of the Secret Service men stated the person who came out of the basement with the others was not the suspect and that he had already talked to him a few minutes previously.”15.

Notice that Marvin Buhk speaks of more than one Agent being present. The “Agent” Buhk spoke to was also a primary catalyst in shifting attention away from the branch library. At 1:32PM, Patrolman C.T. Walker broadcasts on Channel 2 that the suspect is in the Library. At approximately 1:40 Sergeant C.B. Owens tells Dispatch, and the Dispatcher broadcasts to all cars to “Disregard all information on the suspect arrested, it was the wrong man.”16. This is only about an eight-minute window of opportunity. When did these “secret service men” arrive at the Library, how did they know to go there, and when did one of them have time to “talk to the man previously”?

I would also note that Marvin Buhk was a Detective and he distinguished between the "Secret Service" men, and officers of the Criminal Intelligence Division of the DPD. I think he would be able to tell the difference between the Secret Service and the Special Service Bureau of the DPD.

15. From Report to Chief J. E. Curry, by Marvin A. Buhk. Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald, (Original), 12/03/63. Dallas Police Archives, Box 2 Folder # 7: as cited in the City of Dallas Archives – JFK Collection http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm

16. Transcript of Radio Log, Channel 2. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, Sawyer Exhibit A, volume XXI, pp. 396-397, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...Vol21_0211a.htm

Steve Thomas

2 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Tom,

 Croy had been a professional cowboy for about 12 years, and he also worked in real estate, construction, and owned an “oil service station.” 

Jim,

What do you think the chances are that these are the same gas station?

Warren Commission testimony of Ray Hawkins on April 3, 1964:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/hawkins.htm

Hawkins responds to the Tippit shooting, but doesn't stop at 10th and Patton. He goes to the Library neighborhood at Jefferson and Marsalis (where the Library is, about six blocks east of where Tippit has been shot) ) and starts circling the area. He drives back to 10th and Patton, picks up Thomas Hutson, and then he and Baggett stop and make a phone call from a Mobil Gas Station at 10th and Beckley, leaving Hutson in the car. When Hutson blows the siren to let them know that a suspect has been seen at the Library, they go rushing back over there.

When Kenneth Croy testified to the Warren Commission on March 26, 1964, he said,

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/croy.htm

Mr. GRIFFIN. Where do you live?
Mr. CROY. 1658 Glenfield Dallas, Tex.

“Mr. GRIFFIN. What is your occupation?
Mr. CROY. I have several.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Let's have them in order.
Mr. CROY. I am in the real estate business. I have a Mobil service station...”

1658 Glenfield is roughly a mile southwest of the Texas Theater

posting by an unknown author in the ReopenKennedyCase Forum 1/29/2014:

“Croy’s home by the way was 1658 Glenfield. This was the same street that J. D. Tippit lived on until 1961. Glenfield was also the same street that Carl Amos Mather used to live on a few blocks from Tippit’s house when they first became friends. For those unfamiliar with Mather he is connected to proceedings becuase a license plate number was taken down by garage mechanic T. F. White close to the Texas Theater immediately after Oswald’s arrest that was traced back to Carl Amos Mather’s car. The occupant of the car seen by White bore an uncanny resemblance to Lee Harvey Oswald and Carl Mather, when interviewed, told of his friendship with J. D. Tippit. Tippit's old house of 1919 Glenfield, even though he and his family no longer lived there in 1963, was still in his possession and the property was rented out. As far as I'm aware it was never investigated who it was rented out to. Croy’s house was three blocks from the house Tippit owned. During his Warren Commission testimony it is interesting to note that Croy was not asked if he knew Officer Tippit.”

No explanation for Hawkins' mysterious phone call has ever been provided. I have also tried unsuccessfully to locate this Mobile gas station on Google Maps at any of the four corners of that intersection. Do you know hos to search property records?

Steve Thomas

4 hours ago, Ken Rheberg said:

 

The shadowy figure you've circled on the east side of the grassy knoll in Bothun #4 has nothing to do with the couple who were standing at the top of the stairs (BDM) in Moorman and Betzner.

 

Ken,

No, he doesn't. And I don't believe that the BDM is a black couple.

Steve Thomas

In the past, I have tried to make the case that the DCM is Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro.

He was the President of the Alpha 66/SNFE group that met at the house on Harlendale.

One of the Directors of the Group,  Raoul Castro owned a Rambler Station Wagon.

I believe that Orcarberro was also the dark-complected driver of the Rambler that Roger Craig saw pick up Lee Harvey Oswald after the shooting.

David Boylan has affirmed to me that the DCM is Vidal Santiago based on assertions of the Santiago family.

Would you say that this man is 5'11", 158 lbs, has brown hair, wears dark glasses, and has a dark complexion?

The physical description provided above is not that of the Dark Complected Man, but of Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro.

See 5/26/64 FBI Report of SA Wallace Heitman, page 5

http://www.maryferre...p;relPageId=223

an INS description of Rodriguez here:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11250#relPageId=7&tab=page

lists him at 69” tall, 145 lbs, brown hair, brown eyes and born in 1928 in Santiago, Cuba.

Report of Wallace Heitman dated May 26, 1964 regarding Manuelel Rodriguez Orcarberro.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11481#relPageId=219&tab=page

This is CD 1085 page 219.

His report says that Manuel Rodriguez was voluntarily interviewed on February 10^th and May 20^th, 1964.

On page 2 of Heitman's report (page 220 of CD 1085), it says that “Rodriguez registered as an alien of Dallas, Texas on September 6, 1963, at which time his address was reflected as 1208 Hudspeth Street. His last prior address was listed as listed as 5310 Columbia Street, Dallas.” The report says, “A photograph of Rodriguez appears in this file.”

I haven't found this photograph, so I can't compare it to the Dark Complected Man.

Steve Thomas

I had never read this account before and am just passing it along for historical sake.

Among other things, he talks about "the football".

Milton Wright drove the car carrying Mr. and Mrs. Cabell in the motorcade.

http://www.texaspress.com/sites/default/files/2014WinnersCircle.pdf

See page 19 of this pdf file.

Steve Thomas