1 hour ago, David Josephs said:

http://www.civildefensemuseum.com/fallout/dallaseoc.html

A New colonel?  Charles McCoy.... assistant civil defense director for Dallas

 

David,

Thanks for the heads up about Col. McCoy.

https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/qqt01

Texas State Guard. By William C. Wilkes and Mary M. Standifer

"In the 1950s the Signal Corps of the Texas State Guard Reserve Corps embraced 500 radio stations statewide. These provided valuable communications assistance to civil authorities and the Red Cross in times of natural disaster."

Statement by Colonel John W. Mayo, Chairman of City-County Civil Defense and Disaster Commission at the Dedication of the Emergency Operations Center at Fair Park.

http://www.civildefensemuseum.com/fallout/docs/may241961a.jpg

This Statement appeared on the  Civil Defense and Disaster Commission letter head co-signed by Boise Smith, WRR transmitter Building at Fair Park.

WRR was a city-owned radio station.

In the Batchelor's Exhibit CE5002 https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf ,

Boise Smith is listed as a Deputy Chief of Police (along with Lumpkin, Stevenson and Batchelor) and as the Director of the Civil Defense and Disaster Commission. As such, he reported directly to Curry.

See this statement by Mayo decrying the artists being displayed at the Art Museum

http://washingtonbabylon.com/bunker-command-center-jfk-assassination-merely-worlds-interesting-basement/

"In March of 1955, Col. John W. Mayo, commander of the Dallas Metropolitan Post No. 581 of the American Legion, sent a communication to the Trustees of the Art Museum decrying many of the Museum’s policies and saying that the Post objected ‘to the Museum patronizing and supporting artists … whose political beliefs are dedicated to destroying our way of life."

In this same website, it says, " An online exhibit by the Dallas City Hall provides the following historical summary of WRR, the station-of-choice for Dallas-Fort Worth highbrows since 1964, when it switched to an all classical format. Until the departments had their own internal support, WRR supplied and maintained all radio equipment for Police, Fire, Park and Recreation, Water, Public Works, and the former Health Department. At its peak it furnished dispatching services for Dallas County, Cockrell Hill Police Department, and private ambulance services (in the days before 911). WRR discontinued these adjunct services in 1969."

"In his book, Family of Secrets, veteran reporter Russ Baker notes:

In April 1, 1962, Dallas Civil Defense, with Crichton heading its intelligence component, opened an elaborate underground command post under the patio of the Dallas Health and Science Museum. Because it was intended for “continuity-of-government” operations during an attack, it was fully equipped with communications equipment.

With this shelter in operation on November 22, 1963, it was possible for someone based there to communicate with police and other emergency services. There is no indication that the Warren Commission or any other investigative body or even JFK assassination researchers looked into this facility or the police and Army Intelligence figures associated with it."

 

Steve Thomas

6 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

 

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/45020015/

Abilene Reporter-News from Abilene, Texas

Abilene Reporter-News

Location: Abilene, Texas

Sunday, August 22, 1948

Page: Page 36

12 DISTRICTS He (Governor Jester) gave his plan for organizing the Texas State Guard Reserve Corps. It includes a state headquarters and 12 districts with from two to four Infantry battalions and a medical unit In each district.

Battalion records, 1941-1947,

They comprise the records of the 51 battalions of the Texas Defense Guard/Texas State Guard, plus records of the bands, unassigned companies, and air squadrons, 1941-1947. These records are both at the battalion/squadron level and at the company/detachment/flight level. The four Battalions in the Dallas area were the 19^th, the 29^th, the 35^th and the 51^st.

The 29^th Battalion was commanded by Major E.M. Dealey.

E.M. Dealey would go on to become the publisher of the Dallas Morning News

The 19^th Battalion was commanded by Major Bernard F. McLain.

The 35^th Battalion was commanded by Major James M. Crumby

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/8294224/bernard-francis-mclain

Bernard Francis McLain

“McLain, an Army veteran of World War I, had been commander of the John W. Low Post of the American Legion and the 19th Battalion of the Texas State Guard.”

McLain, a resident of the Melrose Hotel at the time of his death, had served as director of the Republic National Bank, Dallas Railway & Terminal Co. and Texas Industries, Inc.

An early leader in charitable activities, he was chairman of the Citizens Council committee which reorganized the Community Chest in 1939. He had served as campaign chairman, president and director of the Community Chest.
He was chairman of the Chamber of Commerce committee which brought the Veterans Hospital to Dallas. Later, he served as president of the Chamber and as a director of the American Chamber of Commerce.

Steve Thomas

6 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

And then Hill does the interview that goes national with all of the incriminating stuff about Oswald, half of it BS, and he says he got that from Westbrook too!

 

Jim,

The one that got me is that according to the Dispatch Tapes, at 1:26 PM, Hill radios in and says, " I'm at Twelfth and Beckley now. Have a man in the car with me that can identify the suspect if anybody gets him."

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/tapes2.htm

If you look at a Google Maps page, 12th and Beckley is like four blocks south and four blocks west of where the shooting took place.

https://www.google.com/maps/search/12th+and+Beckley+Dallas,+TX/@32.7456299,-96.8224142,17z

What's he doing way down there? And who is this "man" who can identify the subject, and why is Hill riding around with a witness 10 minutes after the shooting?

The Dispatcher asks Hill if he has been to the scene. He says yes, and Tippit was already gone by the time he got there. At the scene, Poe shows him a Winston cigarette package with shells in it.

Eight minutes later, at 1:34, Hill radios in and tells the Dispatcher that the shells indicate they came from a .38 automatic.

Phooey.

Steve Thomas

https://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/taro/tslac/30026/tsl-30026.html

Texas Adjutant General's Department:

An Inventory of Texas State Guard/Texas Defense Guard/Texas State Guard Reserve Corps Records at the Texas State Archives, 1938-1983, undated (bulk 1941-1945)

“When the Texas National Guard was demobilized in 1947, the 50th Legislature (by Senate Bill 361) created the Texas State Guard Reserve Corps (TSGRC), to provide a reservoir of military strength for use by the state in time of national or state emergency, when any part of the Texas National Guard was called into federal service. When so activated, this Texas State Guard Reserve Corps would function as the Texas State Guard (TSG). The Governor of Texas appointed a Commanding General for the Texas State Guard Reserve Corps, to be supervised by the Adjutant General of Texas. Initially the state was divided into twelve districts, each with a colonel as regimental commander. “

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/45020015/

Abilene Reporter-News from Abilene, Texas

Abilene Reporter-News

Location: Abilene, Texas

Sunday, August 22, 1948

Page: Page 36

“HOME FORCE? What number of troops would the state wish to retain as home defense force? "A sufficiently large number to afford all possible protection lo shipping, industrial, manufacturing and transportation centers In case either a national emergency with only air threat apparent or with air and airborne threat." said (Governor Beauford ) Jester. Among other questions, Jester was asked if the state had need of a state controlled combat air force. He said no, but the state might need a transport element useful in time of emergency when the air national guard and ground forces planes are not available. Only last week, it was announced that advanced naval air training would be centered in Corpus Christi. Jester suggested that the use of C-17 and light liaison planes for rapid movement to a stricken area, transport of medical or other emergency supplies and for observation or reconnaissance of an area constitutes the chief need of the state for air national guard elements. "There is foreseen, however, an immediate need for air cover and protection in case of a national emergency with an air threat apparent." he said. "Because of the strategic geographic location of Texas and our large shipping center, together with ___ industrial weapons.. . "It is believed if either threat is apparent, both would actually exist, bill it is believed that this force should he a federal force and its size should be that directed by the Army's G-2 estimate." Governor Jester gave as his idea of local defense missions of a state force the protection of utilities, railroads and government installations from sabotage, protection of air fields, oil supply concentrations and other such installations, protection of strategic lines of concentration and munitions and military supply factories instruction of and training of civilians in the use of air raid precautions. The Governor said Texas should have a larger defense force than other states because of her great distances. He thinks there should be considerable surveying done by G-2 to determine the size of such a force. Jester gave as his opinion the need for "better realization" of all employers, large and small, of the "vital importance of an adequately trained armed force." Generally, however, he said all industry showed its interest and cooperation in the national guard, organized reserve and other civilian component units of national defense in peacetime.

12 DISTRICTS He (Governor Jester) gave his plan for organizing the Texas State Guard Reserve Corps. It includes a state headquarters and 12 districts with from two to four Infantry battalions and a medical unit In each district. There would be no required training and no equipment issued. Ratings would be done to Grade III enlisted men and there would be ample room for expansion. Jester expressed gratification at the passage of a state law creating such a state guard reserve corps. If the merger of the national guard and organized reserves under the Federal military system ever passes Congress, then Texas would be wholly dependent for militia service on this state guard. Before this move ever gains much headway, however, there will be plenty of opposition registered. Rep. Olin Teague, for many years a reserve officer, has some interesting conclusions to offer on the subject. It was his survey of reserve unit residents throughout the nation that formed the basis of the Gray board's report. However, Teague said he recommended that something be done to change the present reserves by the regular army. He does not agree with the Gray board's recommendation of a merger under federal jurisdiction. Teague said the Gray board report, If adopted, would hinder the reserves and benefit the regular service. "This plan would be much more costly than we need," he says. "We could have legislation setting up a changed system that would cost much less and still obtain the desired result." Pressed for steps in this reasoning. Teague said: "According to this plan, if they get 22,000 graduates annually from Reserve Officers Training Corps schools, then it will cost them $71,000,000 annually." He makes some severe charges against military higher-ups and regular army men for their "attitude" toward the reserves. Teague has been a reserve officer since 1932. He is familiar with the program and also with the hopes of the temporary officers and men who came out of World War If. If some plan had been evolved and put into successful operation immediately following the close of the last war, whereby the reserves might have kept up their training and received interested consideration, "then we would have organized the potential manpower of this nation and today we would have all the reserve strength we need," he said. "We wouldn't even need the draft." He also is a great believer In universal military training which would maintain that reserve, he feels.

“A WRONG ATTITUDE" "The whole attitude of the. regular army toward the reserves has got to change," Teague said. Then he cited instances where he believes the military top echelons have squelched hie reserve program. He charged that some years ago, a large sum, approximately $50,000,000 was shifted from the funds allocated to the reserves and put elsewhere in the Army budget. Since that time, appropriations for the reserves have been cut by Congress to fit that pattern and thus the reserve program has been hindered. Teague also charged that recently at Texas A&M College, in his district and also his alma mater, an incident arose which is puzzling. Some 200 men wanted to join as reserve officers but the War Department which today says it needs and wants officer material and must now have the draft would not accept this large number of applicants. Teague said he is still conducting his study of just what the Gray board report means. He is also keeping perhaps the most watchful and experienced eye In Congress on the top brass.”

Steve Thomas

http://spartacus-educational.com/MDcrichton.htm

Lieutenant Colonel George Whitmeyer, who was in overall command of all Army Reserve units in East Texas.

Dallas Morning News 11-16-1965

Lt. Col. George L. Whitmeyer, deputy East Texas sector commander

"Russ Baker's new book, Family of Secrets,

Lieutenant Colonel George Whitmeyer, who was in overall command of all Army Reserve units in East Texas."

JFKcountercoup

http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2011/01/pilot-car.html

Col. Whitmeyer was the Commanding Officer of the Northern District of Texas and gave the military "stand down" order.

Whitmeyer is referred to in combined Batchelor, Lumpkin, and Stevenson, report to Curry as, “ Lt. Colonel George Whitmeyer, U.S. Army, Dallas Sub-section Commander.”
DPD Archives Box 14, Folder# 14, Item# 10 p. 20.
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box14.htm



On April 22, 1964 Police Chief, Jesse Curry told the Warren Commission, “I had Deputy Chief Lumpkin, and he had two Secret Service men with him, I believe, out of Washington, and a Colonel Wiedemeyer who is the East Texas Section Commander of the Army Reserve in the area, he was with him.
Testimony of Jesse Curry. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume IV, p. 170, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://history-matte..._Vol4_0089b.htm

Is George Whitmeyer a Lieutenant Colonel, or a full Colonel?

Is he the Deputy Commander, or “in overall command”?

Is he the Commander of all the reserve units of East Texas, or the Northern District, or just the Dallas subsection?

I spoke to someone in the Army Reserves, and he told me that the term "Northern District of Texas" is a phrase that is unknown to him.

For a good explanation of the command structure of the Army Reserves, see:

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a233391.pdf

page 61 (page 68 of the pdf file)

The Reserves were organized into six numeric geographical areas called CONUS. These were further divided into ARCOMS, or Army Reserve Commands.

See also: U.S. ARMY RESERVE COMMAND STRUCTURE

http://www.usar.army.mil/Portals/98/Users/003/83/1283/AR%20Commands%20Infographic.pdf?ver=2016-10-27-104114-907

One place where the term: “Northern District of Texas”, or “East Texas Section Command” might apply is the Texas State Guard Reserve Corps. Please this Forum thread for a further explanation of Texas Reserve Districts:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/24855-texas-state-guard-reserve-corps/

Steve Thomas

I have asked for a copy of the following folder. I'll see what they have to say.

Texas Adjutant General's Department:

An Inventory of Texas State Guard/Texas Defense Guard/Texas State Guard Reserve Corps Records at the Texas State Archives, 1938-1983, undated (bulk 1941-1945)

https://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/taro/tslac/30026/tsl-30026.html

Preferred Citation

(Identify the item), Administrative records (1948-1983), Administrative records, Texas State Guard records, Texas Adjutant General's Department. Archives and Information Services Division, Texas State Library and Archives Commission.

Volume

1990/038-89

Administrative records, 1940-1983, undated (bulk 1948-1983),
4.92 cubic ft. They comprise various administrative records of the Texas State Guard Reserve Corps/Texas State Guard, 1940-1983, and undated (bulk 1948-1983), organized in a number of subject files.

Conferences:

Box 1990/038-73

Folder# 13

Dallas Area Conference, 1963

Steve Thomas

11 hours ago, Chuck Schwartz said:

Steve, this excerpt from a Bill Kelly blog could be relevant.."While most of the descriptions of the motorcade mention only the Lead Car, driven by DPD Chief Curry, and including Secret Service officers, in front of the Lead Car there was a Pilot Car, driven by 488th member Capt. Lumpkin.

According to Peter Dale Scott's Dallas COPA (2010) address, this car pulled to the side of the road in front of the TSBD and Capt. Lumpkin talked briefly to one of the three police officers assigned to traffic duty at that intersection (Huston & Elm), sixty feet below the Sixth Floor Sniper's window. Except there is no mention of this stop or what was conveyed to the cops in the official reports.
A fourth occupant was Lt. Col. George Whitmeyer

Col. Whitmeyer was the Commanding Officer of the NorthernDistrict of Texas and gave the military "stand down" order.

But Lumplin was the highest ranking reserve Col. In the Military Intelligenceand had to have given Whitmeyer this order.


Lt. Col. Whitmyer was due to testify in 1978.

April 18, 1978 newspaper headline "Whitmeyer found dead."

Commission Document 81.1 - AG Texas
http://www.maryferre...84&relPageId=72

Activities of pilot car on November 22, 1963.


And introduces yet another federal intelligence/law enforcement agency into the mix -
the US Alcohol Tax Unit - who are these guys? Did they file reports or what?

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?app=core&module=attach§ion=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=22150


How did the Sixth Floor Sniper Know when the Target Car would be in the Kill Zone?

I think the Pilot Car told him.
 

Chuck,

Thank you for contributing to this thread. There are a couple of things I'd like to address:

1) You said, "A fourth occupant was Lt. Col. George Whitmeyer"

I have wondered how Whitmeyer came to be in that car. I got the impression that it was a last minute thing, but maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it was planned for him to be in the motorcade all along, but I've never read who invited him. I'm assuming Lumpkin invited him, or maybe Whitmeyer asked if he could be there; I just don't know how it came to pass that he was there in the first place.

2) You said, "Col. Whitmeyer was the Commanding Officer of the NorthernDistrict of Texas and gave the military "stand down" order.

But Lumplin was the highest ranking reserve Col. In the Military Intelligenceand had to have given Whitmeyer this order."

I need to find the command structure of whatever reserve unit Lumpkin and Whitmeyer belonged to. I spoke to someone in the Army Reserves, and he told me that the term "Northern District of Texas" is a phrase that is unknown to him. I believe that this command structure belongs in the Texas State Guard Reserve Corps. I need to find someone who can research in the Texas State Archives for the Texas State Guard records.

3) You said, "April 18, 1978 newspaper headline "Whitmeyer found dead."

Commission Document 81.1 - AG Texas
http://www.maryferre...84&relPageId=72

Chuck, I would be interested in reading this article. Could you copy and paste the full url?

4) You said, " How did the Sixth Floor Sniper Know when the Target Car would be in the Kill Zone?

I think the Pilot Car told him."

Not necessarily. I think any observant person could tell when the motorcade was approaching just by watching the crowd reaction. The closer the parade got, the more excited people would become.

5) You said, " And introduces yet another federal intelligence/law enforcement agency into the mix -
the US Alcohol Tax Unit - who are these guys? Did they file reports or what?"

Here's a list of the ATTU or ATF agents who were present. I'm sorry, I don't remember where I got this memo from. I should have taken better notes.

I do thank you for your contributions.

Steve Thomas

Before you scoff at this too quickly, consider this:

Before it was over, this body was guarding missile silos, and National Guard armories.

They had their own communications network and radio stations.

They had their own air force.

They had a budget in the tens of millions of dollars, and a force under arms that was larger than the Texas National Guard.

The State Guard did a lot of good work in times of crisis, like natural disasters, but the potential for a lot of mischief is also there.

I'll be exploring this body in a little more depth as time goes on, but I've come to believe that the Texas State Guard Reserve Corps will answer some questions I have; such as "Why is there such confusion over George Whitmeyer's job title? For another example, answer this question:

Who reported to who? Read these two excerpts carefully:

I posted to the Reopen the Kennedy Case Forum website on 1/9/17

So who served under who?

"Russ Baker's new book, Family of Secrets, has some information on Whitmeyer. In 1956 Jack Crichton, a close friend of George W. W. Bush, started up his own spy unit, the 488th Military Intelligence Detachment. Crichton served as the unit's commander under Lieutenant Colonel George Whitmeyer, who was in overall command of all Army Reserve units in East Texas."

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=156778130
"DPD Deputy Chief, George L. Lumpkin, drove the Pilot Car. Lumpkin was also a Captain in the 488th Military Intelligence Detachment - the spy unit in Dallas created and led by ex-OSS, Col. Jack Crichton and was the highest ranking officer in the 488th and Col. Whitmeyer's superior."
 

Which of those is true?

If Chrichton was the 488th only commander in its history (per the Spartacus biography), how could Lumpkin be a Captain in a military detatchment, and at the same time be a Colonel in the Reserves and be the superior of Lt. Colonel George Whitmeyer, who was in "overall command of all the Army Reserve units in East Texas"?

Steve Thomas

1 hour ago, David Boylan said:

ha! I'm glad this was kept secret for so long.

David,

I am too. I know I feel much safer.

Steve Thomas

1 hour ago, David Boylan said:

They have been released - https://www.archives.gov/press/press-releases/nr18-45

David,

Thank goodness we have General Magnifico to look out for us.

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/docid-32264272.pdf

Steve Thomas

Here's Why Key JFK Files Held by the CIA Continue to Stay Secret

By Jefferson Morley

https://www.alternet.org/why-cia-still-keeps-jfk-secrets

Steve Thomas

11 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

I was hoping that someone would pick up on that information about the Texas State Guard Reserve Corps. operating radio equipment specific to civil defense at their personal expense and relate that back to the COG radio traffic and Jack Crichton at the Fairgrounds.

 

Steve Thomas

From Bill Kelly. JFK Countercoup blog July 22, 2012

http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2012/07/shenanigans-at-dallas-state-fairgrounds.html

“On April 1, 1962, Dallas Civil Defense, with Crichton heading its intelligence component, opened an elaborate underground command post under the patio of the Dallas Health and Science Museum. Because it was intended for ‘continuity-of-government’ operations during an attack, it was fully equipped with communications equipment.

Steve Thomas

Thanks to Eric Green

Civil Defense Emergency Operations Center (EOC)

http://www.civildefensemuseum.com/fallout/dallaseoc.html

Statement by Colonel John W. Mayo, Chairman of City-County Civil Defense and Disaster Commission at the Dedication of the Emergency Operations Center at Fair Park.

http://www.civildefensemuseum.com/fallout/docs/may241961a.jpg

Notice the top right hand corner: the letterhead is also by Boise Smith, WRR transmitter building.

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Steve Thomas

1 hour ago, Paul Brancato said:

Steve - did you see my post about the possibility that when the Paine garage was first searched that is when DPD detectives picked up the Carcano? I mean, all the early reports were for other types of rifles. Suddenly it was a Carcano, I believe in the evening of Nov. 22. 

Paul,

Yes, I did.

I was hoping that someone would pick up on that information about the Texas State Guard Reserve Corps. operating radio equipment specific to civil defense at their personal expense and relate that back to the COG radio traffic and Jack Crichton at the Fairgrounds.

Steve Thomas

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/rich_n.htm

WC testimony of Nancy Perrin Rich

Mrs. RICH. “Well, apparently from what I could discern, they had some kind of a hitch in their plans. And at that time I point blank spoke up and said, "Well, suppose we discuss the plans in full before we"--meaning my husband and myself--"get into this. I would like to know what we are getting into. And at this point you know by now I certainly have a say in this matter." Then it came out-- boom---quite blank. We were going to bring Cuban refugees out---but we were going to run military supplies and Enfield rifles in.”

(This meeting that Nancy Rich describes took place in 1961)

From Property Clerk receipt Dallas City Archive Box 6 Folder 2 Item# 6

From Property Clerk receipt Dallas City Archive Box 6 Folder 2 Item# 54

From Bernice Moore in the Education Forum 12/23/12

Subject: Re: NBC Announces Enfield .303 Rifle Found on TSBD.6th
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 15:02:24 -0500
From: "Gary Mack" <gmack@jfk.org>
Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network
Newsgroups: alt.assassination.jfk,alt.conspiracy.jfk

According to the NBC book "There Was A President," reporter Tom Whalen said, at 2:13pm CST, "The weapon which was used to kill the president, and which wounded Gov. Connally, has been found in the Texas School Book Depository on the sixth floor - a British 303 rifle with a telescopic sight. Three empty cartridge cases were found beside the weapon. It appeared that whoever had occupied this sniper's nest had been here for some time."

https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/qqt01

Texas State Guard. By William C. Wilkes and Mary M. Standifer

The guards drilled in schoolyards and on vacant lots with makeshift weapons until July 1941, when the War Department issued them some surplus rifles. The rifles were recalled in May 1942, and shotguns issued shortly afterward. In 1943 the shotguns were replaced with a full issue of Enfield Rifles, and the units were issued trucks, jeeps, half-tracks, and machine guns.

Facebook posting by an unknown author.

https://www.facebook.com/TexasStateGuard/posts/1576889535692221

Texas State Guard

How about a little bit of HISTORY of the Texas State Guard?

With the advent of the Cold War, The Texas State Guard Reserve Corps (TSGRC) was given additional duties — those specific to statewide radio communications and civil defense. By 1951, the TSGRC had 50 fixed radio stations and over 100 automobiles throughout the state – almost all were funded at the personal expense of the operators and heavily used during many natural disasters. With the federalization of the Texas National Guard during the Berlin Crisis in 1961, 71 Texas National Guard Armories were left vacant and a great amount of state property unprotected. To address this, elements of the TSGRC were organized as Texas State Guard Security Units. These units were xxxigned to the 49th Armored Division and the 11014th Transportation Company, manning their respective armories until these units were returned to their state mission one year later.

Did the National Guard Armory theft involving Lawrence Miller and Donnell Whitter in Terrell, TX. involve any Enfield rifles by any chance?

Steve Thomas

15 hours ago, Greg Wagner said:

Great photo, Rick. Thanks for posting that. I was never convinced of a gunman on the South Koll until I read Sherry's book a couple years ago. She makes a strong case for it and I now consider it a very real possibility.

Greg,

Couple Sherry's work with Stavis Ellis's through and through hole in the windshield made the case for me.

Steve Thomas

15 hours ago, Rick McTague said:

Paz, 

here is a pic I took back in February from about 20' from the south end of the triple overpass, standing right over where James Tague stood (the concrete divider between Main and Commerce).

 

Rick,

That's about the best picture of Dealey Plaza that I have ever seen. Everything is so perfect to scale.

Congratulations.

Steve Thomas

Is this a black bag job?

*smile*

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=57691&search=%22John_Lester+Quigley%22#relPageId=14&tab=page

Steve Thomas

1 hour ago, Ron Bulman said:

I don't know who P S Nichols is but he claimed Craig identified himself in a letter written to him.

 

Ron,

I wonder if this P S Nichols is the same P S Nichols who wrote Harold Weisberg a couple of letters found here:

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/N Disk/Nichols Prescott S/Item 01.pdf

Steve Thomas

On 4/22/2018 at 4:20 AM, Bart Kamp said:

Craig pointed out the pic below as proof of him being inside 317 as the man on the far right. From Gary Shaw's book Cover Up.

 

The man Craig IDs as himself is in fact Secret Service Agent Charles Kunkel.

 

 

 

 

 

Bart,

Where did you get these pictures of Kunkel inside the Homicide and Robbery Bureau?

The reason I ask is that back in 2008, I wrote an essay on the Secret Service in which I speculated that it was in fact, Charles Kunkel who was the Secret Service man who was present during Oswald's interrogation.

Secret Service, On the Knoll and Beyond

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/12084-secret-service-on-the-knoll-and-beyond/

January 21, 2008 JFK Online Seminars

"There is strong evidence that there was a Secret Service Agent present during Oswald’s first interrogation at a time when no known Secret Service Agent was in the Police Headquarters. If that is the case, who could this person have been?

Sims, Boyd, Fritz, Curry and Stevenson all testified, or wrote later, that a Secret Service man (who was not Sorrells) had been present during Oswald's interrogation.

I believe that a better candidate for the alleged Secret Service Agent who participated in Oswald’s first interrogation beginning at 2:20PM is Charles E. Kunkel."

I'd like to update that essay.

Steve Thomas

On 4/15/2018 at 8:19 PM, James DiEugenio said:

Paul Bleau has just written another interesting article at Kennedys and King.  This time accompanied by visual supplements and graphs.

It is inspired in large part by the work and inquiry of Fabian Escalante in his attempt to figure out the particular criminal underworld focusing around Cuba at the time of the JFK assassination.

Paul is trying to show that the idea of a broad based plot involving the CIA, the Mob and the Cuban exiles is not at all far fetched or unworkable.  In fact, it was quite feasible both in its execution and in its provenance.  You will not see this angle explored as well anyplace else.  Thanks Paul.  (If you think Walker or the Ruskies did it, avoid like the plague.)

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/the-cia-and-mafia-s-cuban-american-mechanism-and-the-jfk-assassination

Jim,,

I was reading through this site:

JFK Assassination Quotes by Government Officials

https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/JFK_Assassination_Quotes_by_Government_Officials.html

It was fascinating to see how many high government officials said that the reason for JFK's assassination lay with the Cuban exiles.

Steve Thomas

58 minutes ago, Jessica Shores said:

https://jfkinvestigators.wordpress.com/2016/02/24/jfk-investigators-identification-project/

Jessica,

I was looking at the website you provided.

I hadn't realized that Fritz and Boyd brought rifles into the TSBD. (Picture located up near the top of the website).

Steve Thomas

4 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

That may not strictly be the case however. As I said to David Joseph, I think the Harvey Lee Oswald persona was created long before we knew it to be, but by who or why or how, I don't know. And, it, or may not, be connected to John Armstrong's Harvey and Lee. I think these are two separate issues.

I think this persona, or dossier was created and shared across all spectrums of the intelligence community. You have it showing up in FBI files, CIA, Secret Service, Army and Navy Intelligence, Dallas Police Criminal Intelligence. It would explain a lot, like Revill's list of TSBD employees."

 

Steve Thomas

In November, 2017 in the Harvey Lee Oswald thread, I wrote:

“Warren Commission Document 498 - SS Rowley Memorandum of 13 Mar 1964 Forwarding Reports

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10898&search="Harvey_Lee+Oswald"#relPageId=37&tab=page

pp. 37-38.

The Report is titled, Harvey Lee Oswald.

SS Protective Research Report by Kenneth J. Weisman of an interview with Billy Joe Lord, who traveled to Europe with Oswald aboard the SS Marion Lykes. Lord constantly refers to “Harvey Lee Oswald” whom he found to be “unfriendly, standoffish, and that the two of them “didn't hit off”. (p. 38.)

The Report was written by Weisman on February 28, 1964 and approved by a Jose(?) (Benavides?)(sic?) on March 2, 1964.

You might say that Harvey Lee Oswald was a simple transposition, but you'd have to believe that a trained investigator made the same mistake seven times in the same document.
 

This wasn't a mistake, Weisman was reading off a script of some kind.”

This report was written in February, after the name Lee Harvey Oswald as the President's alleged assassin had been broadcast in the media an estimated 5 billion, one hundred gazillion times.

I got to thinking about Bill Harvey's ZR Rifle notes, and his talk about backstopping and creating fake 201 files. I wonder if the creation of this “personna” or “dossier” tracks back to Oswald's fake defection to the USSR. I've been puzzled about why this Harvey Lee Oswald shows up in Russian files.

A letter from Anatoly Dobrynin to the U.S. State Department concerning Harvey Lee Oswald's request for Soviet citizenship is dated December 11, 1963. It says that Harvey Lee Oswald's request for USSR Citizenship was denied. It doesn't say when he applied for that citizenship, but the character reference memo from the Minsk Radio factory is dated December 11, 1961 and refers to “Citizen” Harvey Lee Oswald.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1135&relPageId=447&search=%22Harvey_Lee%20Oswald%22

On page 433 of that CE 985 it says that “Citizen” Harvey Lee Oswald was hired as a regulator at the Minsk Radio Plant on January 13, 1960.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1135&relPageId=447&search=%22Harvey_Lee%20Oswald%22

Was just the fact that this Harvey Lee Oswald shows up in Russian files an indication that US intelligence been penetrated in some way?

Did this Harvey Lee Oswald dossier show him as being 5'10" weighing 165lbs with wavy brown hair and blue eyes as the October 10, 1963 Lee Henry Cable indicates?

Steve Thomas

11 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

David,

 

Not necessarily, but he could have been a member of the LEIU.

 

Quoting from Peter Dale Scott's Deep Politics & the Death of JFK, Chuck (Schwartz?) posts:

 

“Federal Bureau of Investigation agents, military intelligence teams from the army, navy, and air force, and other federal agencies with investigators operating from headquarters here…The job of [Revill's] intelligence section in Capt. Gannaway's bureau…requires the closest cooperation with these other governmental agencies gathering intelligence on subversive groups suspected of espionage…With membership in a national police intelligence organization known as LEIU (Law Enforcement Intelligence Units) the local officers are able to get information almost immediately on suspected subversives when they move into Dallas. This information is exchanged by police units as these persons move from city to city…Employees in [industrial] plants are carefully screened by security conscious personnel officers, and in key jobs are given strict government security clearances. Industry is taking great strides to upgrade security practices. One such group in this area is the American Society for Industrial Security.”

“ One can see how easily a false legend for Oswald could have been generated in the shared files of this coordinated security campaign, involving the Dallas SSB, FBI, military intelligence, and the American Society for Industrial Security. Such a centralized file system could be the source for the recurring (and unexplained) inversion of Oswald's name, as Harvey Lee Oswald, in the files of the Dallas police (e.g., 19 WH 438, 24 WH 259), FBI (e.g., 23 WH 207, 23 WH 373), Secret Service (16 WH 721, 748), army intelligence, and navy intelligence.”

 

As I wrote to Paul Brancato in the thread on Harvey Lee Oswald back in February of 2017:

Paul,

"I've been approaching this as if Harvey Lee Oswald was a real person.

That may not strictly be the case however. As I said to David Joseph, I think the Harvey Lee Oswald persona was created long before we knew it to be, but by who or why or how, I don't know. And, it, or may not, be connected to John Armstrong's Harvey and Lee. I think these are two separate issues.

I think this persona, or dossier was created and shared across all spectrums of the intelligence community. You have it showing up in FBI files, CIA, Secret Service, Army and Navy Intelligence, Dallas Police Criminal Intelligence. It would explain a lot, like Revill's list of TSBD employees."

Steve Thomas

4 hours ago, David Josephs said:

Was Fain Army Intel?

David,

Not necessarily, but he could have been a member of the LEIU.

Quoting from Peter Dale Scott's Deep Politics & the Death of JFK, Chuck (Schwartz?) posts:

“Federal Bureau of Investigation agents, military intelligence teams from the army, navy, and air force, and other federal agencies with investigators operating from headquarters here…The job of [Revill's] intelligence section in Capt. Gannaway's bureau…requires the closest cooperation with these other governmental agencies gathering intelligence on subversive groups suspected of espionage…With membership in a national police intelligence organization known as LEIU (Law Enforcement Intelligence Units) the local officers are able to get information almost immediately on suspected subversives when they move into Dallas. This information is exchanged by police units as these persons move from city to city…Employees in [industrial] plants are carefully screened by security conscious personnel officers, and in key jobs are given strict government security clearances. Industry is taking great strides to upgrade security practices. One such group in this area is the American Society for Industrial Security.”

“ One can see how easily a false legend for Oswald could have been generated in the shared files of this coordinated security campaign, involving the Dallas SSB, FBI, military intelligence, and the American Society for Industrial Security. Such a centralized file system could be the source for the recurring (and unexplained) inversion of Oswald's name, as Harvey Lee Oswald, in the files of the Dallas police (e.g., 19 WH 438, 24 WH 259), FBI (e.g., 23 WH 207, 23 WH 373), Secret Service (16 WH 721, 748), army intelligence, and navy intelligence.”

See also:

“America's Secret Police Network”, by George O'Toole. Penthouse Magazine, December, 1976. pp. 77-82, cont'd on pp. 194-206.

https://fightgangstalking.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/americas-secret-police-network1.pdf

“The LEIU links the intelligence squads of almost every major police force in the United States and Canada.... The organization (LEIU) forms a vast network of intelligence units that exchange dossiers and conduct investigations on a reciprocal basis.”

The LEIU was formed in 1956. Look at page 5 of O'Toole's article about the definition of an "affiliate member".

In those early hours of November 22nd, both Fritz and Curry were telling newsmen that they had never heard of Oswald and had no idea he was living in Dallas, but some unidentified policeman did, and told Fritz out in the hall about Oswald living at 1026 N. Beckley before Fritz began his interrogation. Could that unidentified officer have been a member of the LEIU?

Steve Thomas