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12 hours ago, Trygve V. Jensen said:
After 5 minutes of searching, - I found out something.
That it is more of a challenge, -- searching for information on this guy ,
Trygve,
Here's a little of what I've learned:
Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro was born on November 8, 1928 in Santiago de Cuba, Oriente (Province?) Cuba. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11481#relPageId=219&tab=page
He worked for the Coca-Cola company.
Among the Miscellaneous CIA Series, there is an unauthored FBI Report of the various anti-Castro groups in Dallas: JURE, 30th of November, Alpha 66-SNFE, etc.
REPORT: JUNTA REVOLUCIONARIA CUBANA; SEGUNDO FRENTE DE ESCAMBRAY (OPERATION ALPHA 66); DIRECTORIO REVOLUCIONARIO ESTUDIANTIL; MOVIMIENTO REVOLUCIONARIO 30 DE NOVIEMBRE; FAIR PLAY FOR CUBA COMMITTEE
NARA Record Number: 104-10320-10070
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=28726&relPageId=2
Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro furnished the following information:
He served as a Lieutenant in Fidel Castro's army under the command Humberto Matos from February, 1958 until October 21, 1959.
He subsequently took asylum in the Brazilian Embassy in Havana and entered the United States as an exile in Miami on November 29, 1960.
(see p. 4 of this Report)
After the assassination of President Kennedy, information was received from Dallas T-3, a government agency which conducts security-type information, that a source had provided information that Rodriguez was known to be violently anti-Kennedy.
The Dallas T-3 agency was the Secret Service, and the source was the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS).
On February 10, 1964, Rodriguez had told Wallace Heitman that he had become interested in the SNFE and that in June, 1963, one of the founding members of SNFE, Andres Nazario Sargen, had written him a letter asking him to establish a Dallas Chapter of SNFE. Rodriguez said that through his efforts, such a Chapter had been formed in June, 1963, with he, Rodriguez as President. At that time, Rodriguez lived at 2311 Nicholson St. in Dallas.
On pp. 5-6 of that Rodriguez lists the officers of the Dallas Chapter of SNFE. One of the members of the Board of Directors was Jorge Salazar. The group met in Salazar's home on a bi-weekly basis.
Two other members of the group were Raoul Castro and Juan Quitana. Rafael Quintana and Raoul Castro lived together in a house in Grand Prairie, Texas with two Mexican sisters.
They had defected to the U.S. from Cuba by way of Mexico by swimming across the Rio Grande River at Brownsville, TX.
Raoul Castro owned a Nash Rambler Station wagon.
Raoul Castro and Juan Quintana had attended a John Birch Society meeting and Quitana picked up a bumper sticker that read, “Kan the Kennedy Klan” and put it on Castro;s car. Someone (and they both denied it was them) had scratched out the work Kan and wrote in “Kill” After the assassination, efforts were made to remove that bumper sticker.
It is possible (and I stress the word possible), that Lee Harvey Oswald was at that same John Birch Society meeting. During his WC testimony, http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/paine_m1.htm
Michael Paine told the WC that he and Oswald had attended a meeting of the ACLU. During that ACLU meeting, Oswald stood up and reported on a meeting that he had attended of the John Birch Society. Paine believed that this JBS meeting had been held on the evening before Adlai Stevenson had spoken at U.N. Day on October 24, 1963 and had been bonked on the head by a picket sign.
“Mr. LIEBELER - For the record I think the record should indicate that Mr. Stevenson was in Dallas on or about October 24, 1963.
Mr. PAINE - When I went to the ACLU meeting he (Oswald) then got up, stood up and reported what had happened at the meeting of the far right which had occurred at convention hall the day before, U.N. Day, they called it U.S. Day, and I think Walker had spoken then.”
It is very possible that Oswald was at the anti-Stevenson rally at the same time as Larry Schmidt, Bobby Joiner, members of the John Birch Society and members of SNFE/Alpha 66.
ATF Agent Frank Ellsworth was investigating a series of arms thefts from National Guard Armories.
He went undercover posing as an arms buyer and approached John Thomas Masen, a gun dealer, who Ellsworth suspected as trafficking in these stolen guns. Masen told Ellsworth that Orcarberro and a man named George Parrel were attempting to buy arms from him, had done so in the past, and had a large cache of weapons in the Dallas area.
See Warren Commission Document 853 SS Rowley Memorandum of 24 Apr 1964
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11250#relPageId=4&tab=page
I can supply you with further details if you like, such as Heitman's interviews with Castro and Quinatana, etc.
The picture that has been supplied of Rodriguez Orcarberro may or may not be him. I've never seen another photograph to compare it to. INS was supposed to have a photo, but I've never seen it. He told Heitman that he was 5'11” tall, weighed 158 lbs, had brown hair and wore dark-rimmed glasses.
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3 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:
In the upper-right corner of the forum window is your photo and name. Click on your name and a popup window will appear. Click on My Attachments.
You will now see a list of photos you've uploaded and to the right of each photo is the post you attached the photo to.
Find the photo you want to delete. Then click the name of the thread (on the right) where you attached the photo.
This will open a new window and, if you wait a few seconds, your browser should automatically go to the post where that photo is attached. (In my case, I often need scroll down a little. That's due to a flaw in my version of FireFox.)
Click the Edit link for the post where the photo is attached, just as you would to edit any post. At the bottom of the editor window you will see a thumbnail copy of the photo that is attached. In the corner of the thumbnail you will see a tiny trash can icon. Click this to remove the photo from your allotted attachment space. Click Save to save your change.
Sandy,
Thank you.
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1 hour ago, Joe Bauer said:
Do you honestly believe that a species with the ability to first find us, yet not send a signal?
Joe,
Some would say that the ever increasingly complex crop circles are just that.
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2 hours ago, Ty Carpenter said:
What would the benefit be to the conspirators in linking LHO to the Walker shooting and JFKA? Just to prove that he is willing to kill/shoot?
Ty,
"Oswald killed Dallas Police Patrolman, J.D. Tippit approximately 45 minutes after the assassination. This conclusion upholds the finding that Oswald fired the shots which killed President Kennedy and wounded Governor Connally..."
Warren Report. p. 20.
What's good for the goose....
Ummmm..... I think I'll turn this one over to Cory.
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1 hour ago, David Josephs said:
In virtually every case, the WC lawyers use the full "Lee Harvey Oswald" when referring to him.... Lee Oswald as well but usually by the commissioners as opposed to the lawyers....
These are the few times I could find "HARVEY" without "LEE"....
155 David,
At 2:40 PM, W.E. Potts, B.L. Senkel and Lt. E.L. Cunningham were dispatched to 1026 N. Beckley. Potts wrote in his after-action report (Box 2, Folder# 9, Item# 32) http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm
Potts' after-action report is undated.
The Supplementary Offense Report cited earlier is dated 11/25/63.
Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, they asked him if there was a Harvey Lee Oswald there.
WC testimony of Arthur Clark Johnson (owner of 1026 N. Beckley)http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/johnso_a.htm
Mr. BELIN. Did they say how they happened to come there?
Mr. JOHNSON. "Well, uh--after he was--uh--apprehended out there, they searched him and found my address in his pocket
Mr. BELIN. Your address of 1026 North Beckley?
Mr. JOHNSON. That's right
I have never seen this piece of paper in any Dallas Police Department evidence sheets.
Mr. BELIN. Now, what did Mrs. Roberts say about this man having been at the home earlier that day--this O. H. Lee, which they had identified as Harvey Oswald?
I personally believe, but cannot prove, that this ties into that unknown police officer giving Will Fritz the 1026 N. Beckley St. address out in the hall before Fritz ever started questioning Oswald.Steve Thomas
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34 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:
This Supplementary Offense Report is signed by W.E. Potts.
At 2:40 PM, W.E. Potts, B.L. Senkel and Lt. E.L. Cunningham were dispatched to 1026 N. Beckley. Potts wrote in his after-action report (Box 2, Folder# 9, Item# 32) http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm
that after he finished taking some affidavits, Fritz dispatched them to the Beckely St address at 2:40 and they arrived at Beckley at 3:00PM.
Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, it was Will Fritz' men---it was plainclothesmen and I was at the back doing something and Mr. Johnson answered the door and they identified themselves and then he called me.
Mr. BALL. What did they say?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, they asked him if there was a Harvey Lee Oswald there.Mrs. ROBERTS. No---he registered as O. H. Lee and they were asking for Harvey Lee Oswald.
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7 minutes ago, Tom Hume said:
Hi Steve,
According to the Spartacus article on Jack Crichton, “In an interview Crichton claimed that there were ‘about a hundred men in that [488th Military Intelligence] unit and about forty or fifty of them were from the Dallas Police Department.'”
It might be instructive to know who those forty or fifty policemen were. Do you know if such a list has ever been compiled?
Tom,
I spoke to a former Colonel of a real live Military Intelligence Detachment.
When I floated this idea of Crichton's "100 man" 488th, he snorted.
He told me that what I was describing was a social club, not an MID.
Real Military Intelligence Detachments consisted of no more than 9 men.
This idea of a 100 man Intelligence Unit, of which 40-50 were members of the Dallas Police Force grew out out of an oral interview that Crichton gave to the Sixth Floor Museum.
That oral interview is no longer available.
There were members of the Dallas Police Force who were active in the Army Reserves who were Intelligence officers (like Lumpkin), and who knew each other, but whether they were part of "Crichton's group" is seriously open to question in my mind.
You can read through the Forum thread entitled, Revolt of the Colonels?, if you're interested.
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/23478-revolt-of-the-colonels/
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16 hours ago, Douglas Caddy said:
John Newman posted this on Facebook today:
In November 2017 at the Lancer conference in Dallas, and again in March 2018 at the conference in San Francisco, I gave a presentation on Antonio Veciana and his claim that Bishop/Phillips recruited and trained him in Havana beginning in mid-1960. In Volume III, ("Into the Storm") coming at the end of 2018, there are a least two major chapters on the Veciana story about his relationship with David Phillips. The attached chart is worth studying; it speaks volumes about Veciana's story and how poorly our research community handled the alleged recruitment in Cuba over several decades (the person who noticed was Cuban intelligence chief, Fabian Escalante, in 1995). I am releasing this chart now because it takes a few months just to begin understanding its ramifications. I hope you enjoy working through them.
You can read a copy of The Secret War, by Fabian Escalante online here:
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On 4/9/2018 at 10:04 AM, Steve Thomas said:
George Bouhe was Lewis McNaughton's personal accountant for nine years.
See his WC testimony.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/bouhe.htm
Mr. BOUHE - "For 9 1/2 years I was employed as a personal accountant of a very prominent Dallas geologist, and probably capitalist if you want to say it, Lewis W, MacNaughton, senior chairman of the board of the well-known geological and engineering firm of DeGolyer & MacNaughton, but I was MacNaughton's personal employee."
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On 4/15/2006 at 12:43 AM, John Simkin said:
Thought Jack Alston Crichton deserved his own thread.
Squadron CO's
Left to Right: Howard C. Todt (839th), John W. Hammett (837th), Major Jack A. Crichton (Group Intelligence Officer), Francis C. Eberhart (838th), Lyndall J Avery (836th)
(photo provided Jack Crichton through Ivo de Jong)http://www.487thbg.org/Photos/SquadronCOs.shtml
487th Bomb Group (H)
Station 137 - Lavenham, Suffolk, UK
22-Sep-43 to 7-Nov-45
http://www.487thbg.org/roster/487thRosterIntro.shtml
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On 4/15/2006 at 12:43 AM, John Simkin said:
Thought Jack Alston Crichton deserved his own thread.
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2 hours ago, Mike Kilroy said:
I'm just curious who "the man in charge" is. Shackley? Joannides predecessor? Harvey?
Mike,
I think Jason might have answered this in his post: Ross Crozier.
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JFK's 'secret' doomsday map revealed
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/06/us/jfk-cuban-missile-crisis-map-auction/index.html
“Based on photos from US spy planes, President Kennedy's map -- which was classified as "secret" -- shows locations of nine weapons installations in Cuba that US forces likely would have targeted if he had ordered an attack.
A key to the map summarizes locations of Soviet weapons on Cuba, including MiG fighter jets and sites housing nuclear-armed medium range ballistic missiles, which experts said threatened Miami, Washington and New Orleans.”
Cuban Missile Crisis map -- estimated to be worth about $20,000 is up for auction.
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On 3/1/2006 at 8:42 AM, John Simkin said:
It soon became clear that Boeing was expected to get the contract. Its main competitor was the General Dynamics/Grumman bid.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=9836&relPageId=3
“Max Edward Clark was employed by Convair, a division of General Dynamics Corporation, Fort Worth, Texas, as a “Supervisor of Industrial Security and Investigation”, requiring access to classified matter up to and including, Top Secret”.
Guess who Lee Oswald looked up when he got back from Russia?
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On 4/5/2018 at 10:30 AM, Steve Thomas said:
Jim,
Thank you. That's interesting.
We're told that Oswald "became acquainted" with the White Russian Community. It's more specific than that. He established contact with White Russians involved in the petroleum engineering community, and even more specifically with Russian petroleum engineering interests.
WC testimony of Peter Paul Gregory:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/gregoryp.htm
Mr. LIEBELER - You are presently self-employed in Fort Worth, is that correct?
Mr. GREGORY - I am presently chairman of the Yates Pool Engineering Committee which is a group of engineers supervising activities in the Yates oilfield in Pecos County, Tex., and I am also a consulting petroleum engineer.WC testimony of George Bouhe:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/bouhe.htm
Mr. BOUHE - For 9 1/2 years I was employed as a personal accountant of a very prominent Dallas geologist, and probably capitalist if you want to say it, Lewis W, MacNaughton, senior chairman of the board of the well-known geological and engineering firm of DeGolyer & MacNaughton, but I was MacNaughton's personal employee.
Take a look at who DeGolyer was.
Bouhe, Gregory, DeMohrenschildt, Jack Crichton, Jake Hamon... the list goes on.
The people that Oswald "became acquainted with" were people who were interested in developing the oil fields in the Middle East, Southern Russia, and Central Asia.
Peter Dale Scott COPA Conference 11/24/2010
(Jack) Crichton, an oil engineer and corporation executive, also doubled as a member of the Dallas overworld. Although his 488th intelligence unit consisted almost 50 percent of Dallas policemen, Crichton also used it as a venue in the late 1950s to conduct “a study of Soviet oil fields;” and in the 1990s Crichton would himself explore the oil and gas reserves in the former Soviet Union. Also interested in Soviet oil reserves at this time were Ilya Mamantov’s employers and personal friends, the wealthy Pew family in Dallas who were owners of Sunoco. By 2009 the second largest source of crude for Sunoco (after Western Africa) was Central Asia, supplying 86,000 barrels of crude a day.
http://www.nasonline.org/publications/biographical-memoirs/memoir-pdfs/degolyer-everette.pdf
Everette DeGolyer:
"The opinion of his firm, DeGolyer and MacNaughton, on an appraisal of the worth of a property or a company was accepted as final in financial and government circles the world around. This firm was at one time or another consultant to ten or more foreign governments on subjects ranging from organizing exploration pro-grams to the proper price for oil F.O.B. tankers in the Persian Gulf.
Starting in 1918 with a special report for the United States Treasury, he became in 1941 Director of Conservation in the Office of the Coordinator for National Defense and Assistant Deputy Coordinator in 1942. The following year he was first made Assistant Deputy Administrator for War, and then head of the Petroleum Reserves Corporation mission to the Middle East."
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1 hour ago, Gene Kelly said:
On February 3, 1964, Cabell resigned as mayor of Dallas in order to run for Congress. He unseated the ten-year Republican incumbent Bruce Alger. In that same election, Jack Crichton was defeated by a wide margin by the Democratic Governor John B. Connally, Jr., and George Herbert Walker Bush fell to Senator Ralph W. Yarborough. Cabell served four terms in the House before he was defeated in the 1972 election.
Gene,
Someday, I'd like to read this book:
The Republican-Democrat political campaigns in Texas in 1964
1.
Texas State Library & Archives Commission
Austin, TX 78701 United States
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3 hours ago, Mike Kilroy said:
Helms hiding his role in managing the DRE - and the agency's role in helping him hide it - is still outrageous and incriminating to me... Hence, my letter below to USA Today reporter Ed Brackett:
Ed –
Thank you for covering the Joannides court case regarding the JFK files recently. It’s really appreciated by someone like me who’s had an interest in the JFK case for years when someone from a mainstream media outlet covers this ongoing story.
Maybe you’re already aware of this, but Richard Helms, the CIA’s Deputy Director of Plans at the time, was personally overseeing Joannides’ running of the DRE. This internal CIA memo are notes from a secret meeting Helms had with the leadership of the DRE in November 1962, a year before the assassination: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=18923#relPageId=1&tab=page In the memo, Helms mentions he will be hiring a new case officer for the group that would report directly to him. That new case officer would be Joannides.
Mike,
What do you make of the "man in charge in Miami" suggesting on October 23rd or 24th that the DRE send its five top leaders into Cuba to "direct artillery fire"?
(see pp. 9-10 of that memo)
1) Who was this "man in charge in Miami?
2) Was he that naive?
3) Was he deliberately trying to get them killed?
4) Was the coordination between the CIA and the U.S. military that bad that he would be suggesting sending in civilians rather than U.S. Special Forces?
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13 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:
Steve,The petroleum connections are interesting, though I'm not sure where they lead. I'm not sure either how military intel fits into the White Russians Oswald was hanging with in Dallas, though we surely can't rule it out. And to my mind, at least, the obvious connections all point to a certain Agency.
Jim,
Petroleum connections equal financing. Who paid, and who benefitted? Follow the money.
I think the people who had the most to gain were the people who were trying to control the natural resources of undeveloped countries. (land, oil, uranium, heavy metals, etc.)
Military intel? Do you think Oswald's insertion into Russia was CIA, or ONI? Also, Colonels in the U.S. Army Reserves seem to crop up in almost every aspect of this case.
Obvious connections? Rather than a straight line, the JFK makes me think of more like a spiderweb of interconnecting threads and overlapping interests.
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2 hours ago, David Boylan said:
Steve,
My thoughts also on the size of the room where Veciana spoke.
Amazing all the people that listened to the tape (page 23-24 of your doc).
Bunker Hunt, Gen Walker, Lt. George Butler, Marcella Insua (Odio's cousin) at Joe Grennen's house.
The speaker had a brown belt. :-) The only anti-Castro person I know of that had a brown belt was Paulino Sierra.
David,
Commission Document 205 - FBI Report of 23 Dec 1963 re: Oswald
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10672&relPageId=650&search="Sarah_Castillo"
page 647
Sarah Castillo interviewed by the FBI. The meeting was held on Sunday, October 13, 1963 at 8:00 PM.
I've read, and I could probably track it down for you if you need it; that there were two meetings that day - one in the afternoon for Spanish speaking persons, and one in the evening for English speaking persons.
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2 hours ago, David Boylan said:
Of great interest is that Zabala had 5 pictures of Veciana’s that he had in his possession and that he was going to loan to the FBI for analysis. The pictures were of Veciana in Dallas at an Alpha 66 meeting, most likely the Harlendale address, approximately one month prior to the assassination. This is the address where Oswald was allegedly seen. Two of the photos show a man that looks like Oswald in the first row wearing a brown jacket, dark brown pants, white socks and sun glasses.
David,
Thank you. Your info is very interesting. The only thing I might ask a question about, is the house Harlandale. The docs you provided talk about a man "in the first row".
The meetings at the house on Harlandale were pretty small. I'm not sure the attendees would be arranged in "rows".
Take a look at this interview that Harold Weisberg had with Colonel and Mrs. Castorr. Look at p. 1 and then again on pp 21 - about 23 or so.
Could this be the meeting in question?
Or is it the meeting that Edwin Walker was questioned about in his WC testimony.
General WALKER. Well, there is a student directorate group, which I remember they call themselves, and that is the way they identified themselves. I attended a meeting sometime and listened to some speakers.
Mr. LIEBELER. They came from Miami?
General WALKER. I believe they came from Miami.
Mr. LIEBELER. And you contributed $5 to the organization that night?
General WALKER. I believe I did.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did you see Lee Harvey Oswald at that meeting?
General WALKER. No; I did not.Steve Thomas
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2 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:
Yeah, there appears to have been a connection between TEC employees and Oswald’s introduction to Peter Gregory. Another TEC employee who may have been involved in steering Oswald toward Gregory was Mrs. Annie Laurie Smith. But there is, naturally, a complication even to this relatively simple story....
In the fall semester of the 1954-55 school year, both Oswald and Peter Gregory’s son, Paul Gregory, attended Stripling School in Fort Worth. The fact that LHO attended Stripling School for a time was common knowledge among area residents both in 1963 and today, but the Stripling attendance is totally denied by WC loyalists because records published by the WC indicate that LHO attended Beauregard junior high school in New Orleans at the same time. Nevertheless, there is a tremendous amount of evidence that LHO attended Stripling. Peter Gregory’s home was just a few blocks from the school, on Dorothy Lane.
Evidence from 1962 indicates that LHO was closer to Paul Gregory than to Paul’s father, and this may well trace all the way back to 1954 at Stripling.
Jim,
Thank you. That's interesting.
We're told that Oswald "became acquainted" with the White Russian Community. It's more specific than that. He established contact with White Russians involved in the petroleum engineering community, and even more specifically with Russian petroleum engineering interests.
WC testimony of Peter Paul Gregory:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/gregoryp.htm
Mr. LIEBELER - You are presently self-employed in Fort Worth, is that correct?
Mr. GREGORY - I am presently chairman of the Yates Pool Engineering Committee which is a group of engineers supervising activities in the Yates oilfield in Pecos County, Tex., and I am also a consulting petroleum engineer.WC testimony of George Bouhe:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/bouhe.htm
Mr. BOUHE - For 9 1/2 years I was employed as a personal accountant of a very prominent Dallas geologist, and probably capitalist if you want to say it, Lewis W, MacNaughton, senior chairman of the board of the well-known geological and engineering firm of DeGolyer & MacNaughton, but I was MacNaughton's personal employee.
Take a look at who DeGolyer was.
Bouhe, Gregory, DeMohrenschildt, Jack Crichton, Jake Hamon... the list goes on.
I'm seeing this nexus of military intelligence, the TEC, Russian petroleum interests, and when you couple that with the question I asked in the Forum about whether Oswald was promised a job when he came back from Russia, and to learn that the early records of his employment with Leslie Welding through the TEC had been destroyed, it becomes pretty suspicious.
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15 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:
Foreign Service Despatch (sic)
November 2, 1959
ref" _____ October 31, 1959
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=57690#relPageId=13&tab=page
"Oswald is the bearer of Passport N. 1733242, issued on September 10, 1959... The passport shows that he was born in New Orleans, Louisiana on October 18, 1939 and gives his occupation as "shipping export agent."
It's funny nobody seems to have asked what he was supposedly shipping.
Steve Thomas
Oswald's passport lists his occupation as a "Shipping Export Agent".
I don't find any reference in the Soviet documents (CE 985)
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1135#relPageId=417&tab=page
that he was ever asked by the Soviets, "Exactly what are you going to be importing and exporting Mr. Oswald?"
Why?
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WC testimony of Max Clark
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/clark_m.htm
Mr. LIEBELER - I want to ask some detailed questions about that but before we get into that, so I don't forget, I want to go back. You said Oswald had told you he had gotten your name from somebody in the Texas Employment Commission -
Mr. CLARK - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - is that your recollection or in fact, did Oswald tell you that be had gotten your name from a man by the name of Peter Gregory at the Fort Worth Public Library?
Mr. CLARK - Of course, I had no communication with Oswald at this time. When he talked with my wife over the phone he indicated to her that he had gotten my wife's name and Peter Gregory's name from the employment commission. Now, I could be mistaken but apparently Mr. Gregory and my wife's name were given to him as people that spoke Russian. Of course, we know Mr. Gregory and then after, immediately after this came about, why, my wife - we talked with the Gregorys. Which came first, I do not know. I don't know who saw Oswald first. I believe Mr. Gregory saw them before we did.
Mr. LIEBELER - Do you know who it was in the Texas Employment Commission that gave Oswald the name of Peter Gregory and your wife?
Mr. CLARK - No. I don't but I can understand fairly well, why. My aunt had been employed by the Texas Employment Commission for 20, 25 years up until her death a few years ago and then my sister still works there. I know it wasn't my aunt because she was dead at the time but my sister, and I have talked with her since, and it was not her and she said it could have been any one of several. I was under the impression she said my wife said that he had said someone by the name of Smith at the employment commission but we don't know anybody by the name of Smith.
Mr. LIEBELER - This is the Texas Employment Commission office in Fort Worth, is that correct?
Mr. CLARK - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - is there just one office of the Texas Employment Commission in Fort Worth? Mr. CLARK - There may be some branches but I don't think so. I think this came out of the main office. Whether he called us or he called the Gregorys first, I don't know.According to Clark, Oswald called Clark via the TEC.
WC testimony of George Bouhe:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/bouhe.htm
Mr. LIEBELER - Did Mr. Gregory tell you how he came to meet Lee Oswald?
Mr. BOUHE - Of course.
Mr. LIEBELER - Has he told you, in effect, that Oswald came to him at the Fort Worth Public Library and asked him for a letter attesting to his competence as a translator or interpreter of the Russian language?
Mr. BOUHE - Mr. Gregory did tell me, and maybe I am not a hundred percent accurate, that he met him at the Fort Worth Public Library where, if my information is correct, Mr. Gregory teaches, I think, a free class of the Russian language.Steve Thomas
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OAS and JFK assassination
in JFK Assassination Debate
Posted
Paz,
Who in the OAS do you think was involved with the CMC?
Yves Guérin-Sérac? Pierre Sergeant? François de Grossouvre? or others?
My guess would would be de Grossouvre.
Importantly, Jean Claude Perez said (to Fensterwald?) that, post 1962, Souetre was part of an ultra-right, ultra-Catholic splinter group which included four men named Pichon, Lefevre, Bourget, and Grossouvre. Group called Integraliste.
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/S Disk/Souetre Jean with aka's/Item 11.pdf
page 4
François de Grossouvre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/François_de_Grossouvre
In 1943 he married Claudette Berger, daughter of an industrialist, Antoine Berger, and had six children. Grossouvre managed his family-in-law's companies Le Bon Sucre (1944–63) and A. Berger et Cie (1949–63), and then founded the Générale Sucrière sugar company. Along with Italian collaborators, businessman Gilbert Beaujolin and the American Alexandre Patty, he succeeded in obtaining an exclusive production licence for Coca-Cola and building the first factory of this type in France. Distribution was by the Société parisienne de boissons gazeuses and the Glacières de Paris, both subsidiaries of Pastis Pernod.
(Remember Souetre was the manager? of a sugar company in Martinique)
According to Fensterwald in A Possible French Connection, Souetre “spent much time in Martinique where nominally, he was the Director of a sugar refinery whose head office was in France at Arcis sur Aube.”
http://www.xiconhoca.org/PDF/DDeRoux/Apossiblefrenchconnection.pdf page 13 of the memo page 15 of the pdf.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcis-sur-Aube
“Besides many big farms producing all sorts of cereals, the sugar industry has a big plant there Cristal Union.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/François_de_Grossouvre
According to former SDECE agent Louis Mouchon, "His (de Grossouvre) business, the A. Berger et Cie Sugar company, offered ample opportunities to stage fronts. He really had excellent contacts."
Steve Thomas