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6 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:
Do we know, or can you recall if there were FBI agents actually participating in the bust? Or that the local FBI office was tipped off prior to the bust? Marina names Army Intelligence agent (here we go again) Ed J. Coyle in her letter to Tunheim. Wasn’t he with Ellsworth on the morning of the assassination? He is another possible source for a tip off leading to the bust.
Paul,
I don't think I've ever read who in the Dallas FBI office was the lead agent on the Miller/Whitter/Masen case. According to the LaFontaine's; Coyle, Ellsworth, and Hosty met in the the morning of the 22nd to talk about the Armory thefts and the possible involvement of members of the Minutemen and Edwin Walker's group. Since that was Hosty's forte, that was why he had invited Hosty to the meeting (at least according to the LaFontaine's). See Oswald Talked, p. 283:
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2 hours ago, David Boylan said:
Steve,
I'd recommend reading Gayle's book. (plug
) She goes into quite a bit of detail on the White Rock Lake picnic. She also interviews Larry Schmidt, Robert Surrey's children and Father Machann.
This may be of interest. You have Sylvia Odio's friend Father Machann asking Sylvia Odio's Uncle Joaquin Insua to introduce John Martino at a JBS sponsored event. Also some discussion on changing a bumper sticker from "Kan the Kennedy Klan" to "Kill the Kennedy Klan." It also covers the crew at "Hollandale."
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=69111#relPageId=1&tab=page
Oswald giving speeches to anti-Castro Cubans - http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/O Disk/Odio Sylvia/Item 35.pdf
David,
Thanks for the info on Gayle. I sent her a message. Thanks also for the reference on Heitman's 5/22/64 Report. I picked up a couple of details I hadn't had before.
REPORT: JUNTA REVOLUCIONARIA CUBANA; SEGUNDO FRENTE DE ESCAMBRAY (OPERATION ALPHA 66); DIRECTORIO REVOLUCIONARIO ESTUDIANTIL; MOVIMIENTO REVOLUCIONARIO 30 DE NOVIEMBRE; FAIR PLAY FOR CUBA COMMITTEE
NARA Record Number: 104-10320-10070
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=28726&relPageId=2
On pages 5 through 6 of that Report, Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro furnished a list of the present officers of SNFE. Among that list of people on page 6 were Raul Castro and Juan Quintana.
Raul Castro and Juan Quintana were trained as crop dusters in Mexico. Quitana told Heitman that the training was obviously military in nature. I mused aloud one day about the possibility that some of these "crop dusters" were double agents sent over by Castro to infiltrate the cuban exile community. I have info on others.
Castro and Quitana had entered the United States by swimming across the Rio Grande at Brownsville, TX. They had married Mexican sisters.
Warrren Commission Document# 1085 is a June 11, 1964 letter from J. Edgar Hoover with attached memoranda and reports. Included in that letter is a heavily redacted April 29, 1964 report from Dallas SA Wallace Heitman.
CD 913 is a March 30, 1964 Report of Robert Gemberling. Included in this Report is information relative to the "Kill the Kennedy Klan" bumper sticker and persons receiving mail at an address in Garland.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=174
However, Gemberling's report INCLUDES the names of the people. The mail being reported on dates from late December and early January, 1964.The Rambler station wagon was owned by Castro. Quintana had put the bumper sticker on it. After the assassination, people were observed trying to scrape that bumper sticker off. I wish Roger Craig had been asked if the Rambler station wagon he saw had had bumper stickers on it.
I need to cross-reference the date of that JBS meeting with Michael Paine's WC testimony. It's possible, and I stress possible, that Lee Oswald was also at that meeting. There was one JBS meeting just prior to Adlai Stevenson's speech that was poorly attended because so many people were gearing up to "greet" Stevenson. The signs were stored at Edwin Walker's home.
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1 hour ago, Larry Hancock said:
folks here would be well served to pick up copies of the those as many of the topics still showing up on this forum were being discussed at length and by people much closer to Dallas and the time...one of the first things I did was get back copies of all the Third and Fourth Decade magazines (edited by Jerry Rose) to get up to speed. Amazing what you find in them that seems to have faded out of these dialogs today. You can find the Third Decade online at MFF.
https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Featured_The_Third_Decade_Journal.html
Larry,
There was some awfully good research going on then.
I stand in awe.
Steve Thomas
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1 hour ago, Jim Hargrove said:
Thanks for elaborating on this, Steve.
Do you think Buddy Walthers was talking about the same house on Harlendale, which he said was located at "3128 Harlendale"? In H&L, John indicated that Walthers really meant 3126 Harlendale, giving us no fewer than three different addresses for what appears to be the same place. Assuming Phillips was Orcaberro's (Alpha 66's) "Bishop," how could Phillips not have known all about this.
Jim,
I had to grin at myself. 1026 was the Beckley St. address wasn't it? Guess I must have been sleepy.
Yes, Walthers' address of 3128 was a typo.
see page 4 of Heitman's Report, page 222 of CD 1085.
On May 20, 1964, Manuel Rodriguez voluntarily appeared at the Dallas FBI offices and spoke to Wallace Heitman. He told Heitman that the members of SNFE met at bi-weekly meetings at 3126 Harlandale. (Although in his Report, Heitman spelled it Hollandale.)On page 220 of CD 1085 (p.2 of Heitman's 5/26/64 memo)
“Rodriguez registered as an alien of Dallas, Texas on September 6, 1963, at which time his address was reflected as 1208 Hudspeth Street”. His last prior address was 5310 Columbia Street, Dallas.”
Page 3. On February 10, 1964, Rodriguez told Heitman that in June, 1963 Andrés Nazario Sargén wrote Orcarberro a letter and asking him to establish a chapter of Alpha 66 in Dallas. He moved to Dallas in September, 1963.I misspoke when I said Orcarberro was renting the Harlandale address. They were just meeting there. The home was owned by Jorge Salazar.
I'm not sure what you are trying to says vis a vis Orcarberro and Phillips. Did you mean to say that Phillips was Veciana's Bishop?
Orcarberro was sent to Dallas to establish a Chapter of Alpha 66 there. He arrived in September, I believe. Veciana allegedly was there in September as well.
As far as your question about Oswald getting a new passport... I just happened to be reading a speech by Fidel Castro in the immediate aftermath of JFK's assassination and he asked that very question as well. Personally, after his speech to the Jesuit College in Alabama in July, and his radio debate in New Orleans in August, I don't see any way the Soviet Union would have allowed him back in their country. To me, that seems like a fool's errand. Your question seems to be getting into the whole Mexico City trip, and I don't know anything about that, and am not qualified to speak intelligently.
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13 hours ago, Gayle Nix Jackson said:
it fits in nicely with my "pet theory" that the DRE was the key to the Odio visit.
Gayle,
In your work studying the DRE, I thought you might be interested in this:
Cryptonym: AMHINT-2 by Bill Simpich
https://www.maryferrell.org/php/cryptdb.php?id=AMHINT-2
180-10142-10306: 180-10142-10306
see page 4
23 Aug 1963, (Richard) Cain reported he had been approached by representative of DRE and they attempted to recruit him to be trained in Central Am. The person who contacted him spoke on the phone in his presence to someone in Miami named...Salvat (AMHINT-2) and asked if his group is sponsored by the CIA. Salvat said the group is sponsored by "the Pentagon, which is in competition with CIA, and, therefore, all activities of the Directory must be kept secret."
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12 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:
Steve, in light of the way you've laid these occurrences out.. Is it conceivable that Oswald's cover was blown regarding infiltrating say DRE and Alpha 66 and his handler(s) realized this so he was by then useless in that respect, but, he could be useful and expendable as a fall guy or "patsy" in another operation? I know, just speculation. But reasonable?
Ron,
This is just idle speculation on my part.
The publicity surrounding his return from Russia in June, 1962 made him useless for any kind of Soviet counter intelligence work. He was on the front pages of several newspapers for heaven's sake. At that point, I think he was lent out to the FBI for anti Cuban-exile counter intelligence. He starts attempting to infiltrate various Cuban exile groups, but his approach is so heavy handed, and transparent that his usefulness there is coming to an end by the end of 1963. I read once that somebody described him as a "useful idiot." Another guy in the Cuban exile community (John Martino maybe?) said, "Poor Oswald, he didn't know who was running him". So, the answer to your question is:
Yes.
Steve Thomas
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8 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:
The "Miller/Whitter/Jhn Thomas Masen gun deal" you mention isn't quite registering with my tired old brain cells. Was an Oswald associated with that? Love the DRE/AMSPELL coincidence! Thank you for all of this!
Jim,
ATF Agent Frank Ellsworth sets up a sting operation involving John Thomas Masen.
Masen gets some of his guns from thefts from National Guard armories.
Manuel Rodriguez and George Parrel have approached Masen about buying arms. Masen has told Ellsworth that Rodriguez and Parrel have tried to buy bazookas, machine guns, and other heavy equipment from him, had previously made purchases from him, and that they had a large cashe of arms in the Dallas area.
Oswald has been seen entering and leaving a house at 1026 Harlendale St. in Dallas that Orcarberro is renting.
Just as he is about to bust Masen, the FBI and local police swoop in and arrest Miller and Whitter on November 18, 1963.
Ellsworth is forced to prematuely arrest Masen on November 20th
Marina Oswald Porter writes a letter to John Tunheim of the ARRB on 19th April, 1996.
I believe she sent her letter following the publication of Oswald Talked by the LaFonataines.
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“The Dallas field office and headquarters FBI reports on the arrests of Donnell D. Whitter and Lawrence R. Miller in Dallas on November 18, 1963 with a carload of stolen US army weapons. I believe that Lee Oswald was the FBI informant who made these arrests possible. I would also like to know what your board has done to obtain the reports of the US Marshal and the US Army on the same arrests, and the burglary these men were suspected of.”
To the best of my knowledge, the transcripts of that trial are still sealed.
You can read her full letter in an August 16, 2005 Education Forum post by John Simkin here:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/4710-questions-for-marina-oswald/
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5 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:
'"Most" normal human character drivers in a car immediately behind another that is involved in a major impact collision like Lee Bauer's ( especially in broad daylight ) would not simply drive around and away from such an injurious scene.
Freudian slip Joe?
Don't hit me. I'm just teasing you.
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1 hour ago, Gayle Nix Jackson said:
Dear GOD Steve!
I so agree with everything you're saying and it fits in nicely with my "pet theory" that the DRE was the key to the Odio visit...as you remember, when Annie first answered the door, they asked for Sarita. As I mention in my book, Sarita was a member of the DRE and from all the interviews I did with people who knew her (including Father Machann's sister), she was the political one of the family. Now, Silvia is affiliated with JURE, not the DRE, and it is my contention (though I cannot prove it) that Silvia was protecting her sister and her sister's politics from these strangers at the door. Silvia, by all accounts, was very bright and knew Hemming as well. Her uncle, Augustin Guitart, her friend/intimate Father Machann; her cousin Marcella Insua....all these people were aware of her political leanings as well as her sister Sarita's. I have heard rumor that Silvia also knew Oswald before the visit, but I cannot confirm that. I interviewed Kiki Masferrer's son and he had nothing positive to say about the Odio family, nor could he confirm or deny the rumor about Oswald. Father Machann and his sister are just the opposite in regards to the Odio sisters. I agree with your contention about the DRE getting ahead of the story. It was the DRE that shared the missile pictures as well. Dreamspell huh? WOW!
Gayle
Gayle,
You wrote, "It is my contention (though I cannot prove it) that Silvia was protecting her sister and her sister's politics from these strangers at the door."
You also wrote, "I have heard rumor that Silvia also knew Oswald before the visit, but I cannot confirm that."
That is why I have been so focused on the picnic at White Rock Lake, where Oswald was supposedly seen. If my hunch is correct, it took place on September 7th - the same day day Veciana says he saw Oswald in the company of David Atlee Phillips.
I personally believe Sylvia's story goes deeper than just trying to protect her sister (although that is one element). I believe that people have been so focused on the strangers at Odio's door, and whether or not one of them might have been Oswald, that they have overlooked other aspects of Sylvia's WC testimony. To whit:
Commission Document 946 - SS Aragon Report of 5 May 1964 re: Sylvia Odio, Rogelio Cisneros Diaz page 3
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11342&search=%22Juan_Martin%22#relPageId=4&tab=page
On May 4, 1964 in an interview in his home with SS Agent Ernest I. Aragon, Rogelio Cisneros told Aragon that:
Rogelio Cisneros, a JURE member in Miami, went to Dallas alone, by plane in June, 1963 for the specific purpose of contacting Sylvia Odio who was supposed to introduce Cisneros to a Uruguayan named Juan Martin, who was interested in selling small arms to JURE. “He further identified himself as Rogelio Cisneros Diaz, an officer of JURE, at Miami,Florida, and added that the name “Eugenio” is his designated “war name””.
The JURE office in Dallas was already in operation, having been established in May, 1963. He only contacted Sylvia Odio once. When they went to her house, Cisneros was accompanied by Jorge Rodriguez (Alvarada) (Alvereda?), their Dallas delegate, and no one else.
My question is, why would Rogelio Cisneros fly from Miami, FL. to Dallas, TX. alone, in a plane for the specific purpose of contacting Sylvia Odio in order to meet a gun runner who he had never met before?
Why her?
http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=95676#relPageId=46&tab=page
Johnny Martin 9923 Carnegie Dr. Dallas, Texas
Father Walter J. McHann (Mary Ferrell's database spells it Machann)
CE 2943 p. 402.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1142#relPageId=438&tab=page
Letter from James Rowley of the Secret Service to J. Lee Rankin dated May 5, 1964. McHann interviewed by SS Inspector Kelly on April 30, 1964.
McHann was chaplain to the Cuban Catholic Committee of Dallas. They organized religious and social activities for the Cuban refugees. Did they organize the picnic?
McHann said he had been introduced to John Martin aka Juan Martin; and that one night, John Martin came to Sylvia's while he was there. McHann described John Martin as a Latin, but not a Cuban. Martin had a house in Dallas, but did not live there. He lived in a different city with his family. Sylvia seemed to know John Martin quite well.
McHann said he had no recollection of Manuel Rodriguez, George Parrel, or any of the officers of SNFE.
At the request of Inspector Kelly, McHann telephoned Sylvia Odio. In that phone call Sylvia told McHann that “John Martin was a Uruguayan who was supplying arms purchased in some South American countries to some Cuban groups.”
McHann told Kelly that in the phone call, she told McHann that the second man (not Leopoldo) who had come to visit her was Eugenio Cisneros.
Rogelio Cisneros was interviewed in Miami by Ernest Aragon of the SS on May 4, 1964. Rogelio told Aragon that he used the name Eugenio as a war name.
CE 2986 p. 349
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1142#relPageId=385&tab=page
(This is also page 3 of CD 946)
Sylvia would later on tell the WC that McHann had mis-understood her about Eugenio in the phone call .
Lucille Connell also said she had been introduced to John Martin – a Uruguayan who was trying to obtain guns for the Cuban people in their efforts to overthrow Castro. She said she was suspicious of Martin because he claimed to be an “airplane engineer”, although Sylvia Odio stated he owned a washeteria.
FBI interview of Lucille Connell on November 29, 1963.
CD 205 p. 640
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10672#relPageId=643&tab=page
TESTIMONY OF SYLVIA ODIO
The testimony of Sylvia Odio was taken at 9 a.m., on July 22, 1964http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/odio.htm
Mr. LIEBELER. So that you have been in Dallas since March of 1963, is that correct?
Mrs. ODIO. That's right.Mrs. ODIO. Well, I had been having little groups of Cubans coming to my house who have been asking me to help them in JURE. They were going to open a revolutionary paper here in Dallas. And I told them at the time I was very busy with my four children, and I would help, in other things like selling bonds to help buy arms for Cuba. And I said I would help as much as I could.
This man, the other one, the second Cuban, took out a letter written in Spanish, and the content was something like we represent the revolutionary counsel, and we are making a big movement to buy arms for Cuba and to help overthrow the dictator Castro, and we want you to translate this letter and write it in English and send a whole lot of them to different industries to see if we can get some results.
Mrs. ODIO. No. I have told you I moved several times, and it is because of reasons of my work, and because my children at the time were in Puerto Rico, I and I went down to get them in Puerto Rico June 29th.
That was exactly the day that I saw Ray again. We had been trying to establish a contact in Dallas with Mr. Johnny Martin, who is from Uruguay. He is from there, and he had heard that I was involved in this movement. And he said that he had a lot of contacts in Latin America to buy arms, particularly in Brazil, and that if he were in contact with one of our chief leaders of the underground, he would be able to sell him second-hand arms that we could use in our revolution.There was something about selling bonds - it came up in the testimony of Carlos Bringuer, I think. Something about it being illegal to ask for cash directly, but you could sell bonds. I'll have to go look it up.
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3 minutes ago, Richard Price said:
While reading the "Frontline" transcript of Robert Oswald,as posted by Steve earlier int this discussion, I saw this. Here was a start. As far as material goods … the car … taking her to a grocery store the first time …
This is located in the area of the conversation when Robert is talking about Lee's arrival back in the US after the defection to Russia. What is to be made of this comment? The story is that LHO could not drive and did not have a car. Sorry for the slight disruption to this discussion, but just wondering if anyone else saw that.
Richard,
Good catch. I overlooked that.
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On 3/28/2018 at 10:50 AM, Gayle Nix Jackson said:
I too believe that Oswald was known to many in the Cuban Refugee Community, thus the thrust to "find" Father Machann and interview him. By the way, Machann told me it wasn't the Secret Service that interviewed him and asked him to call Silvia, it was his parishioner, James Hosty. Thanks for this enlightening thread Steve, it's right up my alley!
Gayle Nix Jackson
Gayle,
Here's why I have been asking.
Mike Kilroy and I have been having a conversation in another thread on the Forum entitled, "CNN: One JFK Assassination Conspiracy Theory that Can't Be Debunked is that the CIA Did It!" that was started by Jim Hargrove, about the speed with which the DRE released biographical background on Oswald on the afternoon of Nov 22nd.
It was my contention that, by doing so, the DRE got ahead of the story and killed two birds with one stone. They not only undercut LHO by portraying him as a "rat bastard, Castro-loving commie"; but they also undercut the CIA. I think they were whispering behind the scenes that not only was LHO was a commie, but also that he was an informant for the government. I think the exiles has been compiling a dossier on Oswald from a long time back. Every time an "Oswald" was around, their plans were foiled.
April, 1963 a planned raid in Cuba is waylaid (Alpha 66)
July, 1963 a training camp in Lake Ponchartrain is raided (MDC)
August, 1963 Carlos Bringuer voices suspicion that Oswald is an informant (DRE)
September, 1963 a "Cuban associate" of Sylvia Odio is told to stay away from Oswald (JURE)
November, 1963 the Miller/Whitter/John Thomas Masen gun deal goes bad (Alpha 66)
Didn't Gerry Partick Hemming say that Oswald had contacted him and offered to help and Hemming told him to get lost?
After a while, you have to believe that people are putting two and two together.
I think this partially explains the CIA's post 11/22 panic over the Mexico City affair. The January 22, 1964 WC Executive Session analysis is spot on.
The DRE was initially formed as a propaganda arm. In this case, I think they out-Hunted Hunt and Phillips.
PS: Just as an aside, I read yesterday that the CIA AMSPELL cryptonym for the DRE was developed by Bill Harvey in November, 1962. When you put the DRE in front of it, it spells DRE/AMSPELL. Cute huh?
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On 3/26/2018 at 11:06 AM, Steve Thomas said:
Does anyone know when Oswald was first identified, or rumored to be a government informant?
Well, I think I got my answer, and it comes from Lee Oswald himself!
Frontline interview with Robert Oswald, November 19, 2013.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/interview-robert-oswald/
Following his return from Russia in the latter part of June, 1962, Lee Oswald gets a call from SA John Fain asking for a meeting. Oswald agrees. Afterwards, Robert asks him how it went. Lee answers, "Well, everything went all right. They even asked me if I had ever been an agent of the Federal government or the CIA."
"I said, What did you tell them?"
"He says, Well, don't you know? and just laughed."
Warren Commission Hearings Volume XVII page 738
CE 824 - Copy of an FBI report by Special Agent Fain, dated August 30, 1962.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1134&relPageId=764
“He (Oswald) agreed to contact the FBI if at any time any individual made any contact of any nature under suspicious circumstances with him.... he promised his cooperation in reporting to FBI any information coming to his attention.”
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1 hour ago, Jim Hargrove said:
I thought this was common knowledge. Excerpted from pp. 13-14 of Portrait of the Assassin by Gerald Ford….
“On Wednesday, January 12, the members of the Commission were hurriedly called into emergency session by the chairman.
Jim,
You could also direct people to the transcript of the January 22nd Executive Session itself here:
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1327
Warren: "He (Waggoner Carr) said that he understood the information had been had been made available so that the Defense Counsel for Ruby had that information, that he knew the press had the information..."
Warren: "If he was in the employ from 1962, September, 1962 up to the time of the assassination, it had to start over in Russia, didn't it, because didn't he get back in February? When did he get back here from Russia?"
(We'll never know exactly what Fain talked to Oswald about for those two hours out in the car.)
You have to know they were in a panic, because the Commission had met in regular session just the day before on the 21st.
Boggs: "I don't even like to see this being taken down."
Dulles: "Yes, I think this record ought to be destroyed. Do you think we need a record of this?"
Warren: "I don't."
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7 hours ago, Cory Santos said:
My wife went to law school at Michigan State. Aww, always strange coincidences right? LOL.
Cory,
Ah Hah! I knew it!
"Above and beyond the Fishel–Diệm connection, Michigan State had exceptional resources in two fields that the U.S. agencies in Vietnam lacked: law enforcement and public administration. "
You ready to come clean now? Huh? Huh?
Steve Thomas
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Justin McCarthy by way of Clare Booth Luce.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=41853&search=doroth_AND+LUCE#relPageId=1&tab=page
See page 13.
This is a fascinating document in a way. "The Cuban Missile Crisis and the missiles left behind was not the end, it was just the beginning."
"Oswald went to the FBI." He said, "I know that, he was selling them information, and they did not believe him."Steve Thomas
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Olympic Dr., Larry Nassar's boss worked at Michigan State University.
Sigh.
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21 minutes ago, David Josephs said:
Or upon returning (maybe even before).... he realizes there's an OSWALD in the Miami area as well ???
Besides, who would he tell? In the world of spies on spies... the less said the better?
???
David,
On the contrary. I have come to believe that the name Oswald was well known in the Cuban exile community as somebody to stay away from. His name goes back as early as August in New Orleans, when he visited Bringuer and offered to "help"; and probably as early as late March/early April when an "Oswald" tried to board a ship in Miami bound for a commando raid. That person was so obnoxious that Jerry Buchanan had to punch him in the mouth and knock him down. (Does that "Oswald" behavior sound familiar?)
According to Buddy Walthers, Oswald was seen going in and out of that house on Harlendale in the months prior to November 22nd.
I will be on the lookout for references, not in the U.S. spy community, but in the Cuban exile community to an "Oswald".
Steve Thomas
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29 minutes ago, Mike Kilroy said:
Steve -
I can't believe Phillips would meet Veciana in Dallas without inviting him to come (via cutouts). It's interesting that on at least one count Veciana is correct - Cuban exiles were on 'lockdown' in Miami at the time. What do you think was going on? Did Veciana meet Phillips in Dallas or is there more to the story?
Mike,
I'm actually beginning to wonder.
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1 hour ago, Steve Thomas said:
David,
Or her uncle, Augustin Guitart Campuzado. He was with Bringuer at his August, 1963 trial.
David,
Then again, it might not be Guitart.
FBI Interview by SA's Norman W. Propst and Ural E. Horton, Jr. with Mrs. C.L. Connell dated 11/29/63
Mrs. Connell told the Agents that, “Odio further reported to Connell during this conversation (a telephone conversation between Sylvia Odio and Mrs. Connell on 11/28/63) that a call had been made in recent months by a Cuban associate of hers to an unknown source in New Orleans,
Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro was sent to Dallas to establish a chapter of Alpha 66. He established residency on September 6th. Veciana of Alpha 66 meets with Phillips in Dallas allegedly on September 7th. Who really arranged that Veciana/Phillips meeting?
When Veciana went back to Miami, did he tell anyone there about having met Lee Harvey Oswald in Dallas?
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23 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:
David,
Or her uncle, Augustin Guitart Campuzado. He was with Bringuer at his August, 1963 trial.
Augustin Guitart interview (Sylvia Odio;.0swald's literature distribution)
Harold Weisberg 12/212/68
“Dr. Guitart considers himself a friend of Bringuier. At the time of the arrest Bringuier phoned him and excitedly told him about the affair, full of indignation. He did not see the literature distribution because he had classes. He went to the trial because he had no classes that day. He wanted to see Oswald and he sort of fortified his friend Bringuier.”
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35 minutes ago, David Josephs said:
Sounds like BRINGUIER again...
David,
Or her uncle, Augustin Guitart Campuzado. He was with Bringuer at his August, 1963 trial.
Look at this document. It's in the HSCA Subject Files.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=75141#relPageId=2&tab=page
Why was a memo on Guitart dated 5/28/63 being cc'd to the Chief, Personnel Security Division?
Steve Thomas
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8 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:
Mike,
Something hit me this morning:
In 1976 Antonio Veciana stated:"I have been in Dallas many times, and remember a meeting of August 1963, perhaps the first days of September, I was there. At that time the U.S. Government had confined me to Miami Dade County.
If Veciana was "confined" to Miami Dade County, why would Phillips ask him to violate that confinement? Wouldn't that have put Veciana in some kind of legal jeopardy?
http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/belligerence/veciana-oswald.htm
VERSION TWO
In 1976 Antonio Veciana stated:"I have been in Dallas many times, and remember a meeting of August 1963, perhaps the first days of September, I was there. At that time the U.S. Government had confined me to Miami Dade County.
HSCA Report Volume X page 58
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1212#relPageId=62&tab=page
“When two Cuban exile groups made raids against Russian installations in Cuba and a Russian freighter in the Cuban port of Caribarien, the Attorney General dispatched 600 Federal agents to Miami in an effort to prevent further actions against the Cuban regime. A directive was issued that prevented key anti-Castro leaders in Miami from leaving the area without Federal approval.”
When Veciana went back to Miami, did he tell anyone there about having met Lee Harvey Oswald in Dallas?
Steve Thomas
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17 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:
Carlos Bringuer was voicing those suspicions back in August.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/bringuier.htm
Mr. BRINGUIER. And you see, in August 24, 1962,... person from the FBI contacted me here in New Orleans--his name was Warren C. de Brueys. Mr. de Brueys was talking to me in the Thompson Cafeteria,... and he advised me and I quote, "We could infiltrate your organization and find out what you are doing here."
After that, after my conversation with de Brueys, I always was waiting that maybe someone will come to infiltrate my organization from the FBI
Mr. LIEBELER. To summarize your statement, when Oswald came to see you on August 5, (1963)----
Mr. BRINGUIER. That is right.
Mr. LIEBELER. You were suspicious of him on two different counts?
Mr. BRINGUIER. That is right.
Mr. LIEBELER. One, that he might possibly have been an infiltrator working for the FBI?
Mr. BRINGUIER. That is right.
Mr. LIEBELER. And you were worried about this because of what Agent de Brueys had said to you----
Mr. BRINGUIER. A year ago.
Mr. LIEBELER. Almost a year prior to that time?
Mr. BRINGUIER. Yes, sir.Steve Thomas
Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits (26H738)
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1142#relPageId=774&tab=page
FBI Interview by SA's Norman W. Propst and Ural E. Horton, Jr. with Mrs. C.L. Connell dated 11/29/63
Mrs. Connell told the Agents that, “Odio further reported to Connell during this conversation (a telephone conversation between Sylvia Odio and Mrs. Connell on 11/28/63) that a call had been made in recent months by a Cuban associate of hers to an unknown source in New Orleans, Louisiana, requesting information on Lee Harvey Oswald. Odio volunteered that information was in turn received from the New Orleans source to the effect that Oswald was considered by that source in New Orleans to be a “double agent”. The source stated Oswald was probably trying to infiltrate the Dallas Cuban refugee group, and that he should not be trusted.”
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13 hours ago, Mike Kilroy said:
Interesting. Thanks, Steve.
Mike,
Something hit me this morning:
In 1976 Antonio Veciana stated:"I have been in Dallas many times, and remember a meeting of August 1963, perhaps the first days of September, I was there. At that time the U.S. Government had confined me to Miami Dade County.
Dan Hardaway reviews Veciana's book, “Trained to kill”
“When we get to the Phillips and Oswald in Dallas story, though, things get vague, very vague. For example, he never tells us why Phillips sent for him to come to Dallas in September of 1963.
If Veciana was "confined" to Miami Dade County, why would Phillips ask him to violate that confinement? Wouldn't that have put Veciana in some kind of legal jeopardy?
I don't think Phillips "sent for" Veciana to come to Dallas.
Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro was sent to Dallas to establish a chapter of Alpha 66. He established residency on September 6th. Veciana of Alpha 66 meets with Phillips in Dallas allegedly on September 7th. Who really arranged that Veciana/Phillips meeting?
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) She goes into quite a bit of detail on the White Rock Lake picnic. She also interviews Larry Schmidt, Robert Surrey's children and Father Machann.
Michigan State University
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Cory,
Congratulations on your dad.
Steve