4 hours ago, Bill Simpich said:

 

Three quick items:

 

2.  One more colonel:  Do you know about the Army Col J.D. Wilmeth, who visited Marina and Ruth on 11/19/63 to practice his Russian?

 

Bill,

Did you happen to read the page (p. 216), just before the one you referenced in that CD 329?

Marina told FBI Agents Wallace Heitman and Anatole Boguslav that Wilmeth had spent 20 months in Russia. It doesn't say which 20 months, but conceivably, if he retired from the Army in 1960, and started teaching Russian in 1962,  it could have been about the same time that Oswald was in Russia too.

Steve Thomas

1 hour ago, Bill Simpich said:

Here is the ARRB's explanation for the destroyed Army Intelligence file on Harvey Lee Oswald  in 1973.

 

Bill,

Thanks. I wondered if you were referencing Peter Dale Scott's address to the Fredonia Conference in 1996.

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/S%20Disk/Scott%20Peter%20Dale/Item%2002.pdf

Steve Thomas

15 hours ago, Bill Simpich said:

 The famous destroyed Army Intelligence file was entitled "Harvey Lee Oswald". 

Bill,

Can you elaborate on this a little? Provide a citation of some kind?

As far as Gannaway and Lumpkin go, I think (and this is just my personal opinion) that Gannaway reported to Lumpkin in his Army Intelligence work.

In his day job; while Gannaway reported to Curry as Head of the Special Service Bureau, Lumpkin was still a Deputy Chief.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/25039-george-lumpkin/?page=2&_fromLogin=1ow

“I don't know if this has been discussed, but the link below is to a 1966 Richardson (Texas) Daily News article that describes George Lumpkin as “Commandant of the 4150th ARSU Dallas United States Army Reserve School”.

https://newspaperarchive.com/tags/george-lumpkin/?pc=24581&psi=94&pci=7&pt=23960&ob=1/

Department and Agency Codes

http://trac.syr.edu/data/fedstaf/agencode.html

With respect to George Whitmeyer, Winston Lawson told the HSCA that Whitmeyer "taught army intelligence."
So, Lumpkin and Whitmeyer, who both rode in the pilot car, were both Army Intelliegence teachers.

Steve Thomas

14 hours ago, Jeff Carter said:

The official claim is that the photos were discovered Saturday afternoon Nov 23 with Oswald's possessions, but two witnesses including Michael Paine saw a backyard photo in the possession of Dallas police on Friday night, Nov 22, and Captain Fritz refers to this photo in his notes around noon on Saturday, some hours before they were "found".

Jeff,

You can find a more thorough discussion of this 12:35 Saturday Interrogation here:

Fritz ADDED the part about the photos afterward...

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/18440-fritz-added-the-part-about-the-photos-afterward/

By cross-referencing the reports and testimony of the various people involved, I've come to believe that a deliberate attempt was made to go back into the Dallas Police Department's records and alter them in an attempt to hide this 12:35 Interview. What's weird is that I believe that this attempt was made after the Warren Report and it's 26 vols of Exhibits were published.

I don't understand what good it would have done at that point.

Steve Thomas

6 hours ago, John Butler said:

Although the Secret Service and Dallas Police obviously had a copy of 133-C at the time of the reenactment, the photo disappeared from 1963 to 1975, only to turn up when produced by none other than the widow of Dallas Police Officer Roscoe White.

 

Anyone care to make a comment on the accuracy of these statements from years ago.  Is there any new information?

 

John,

It would be interesting to learn which one of the three photographs (A, B, or C) were shown to Oswald four hours before they were officially found and brought back to police headquarters.

This is from the DPD Archives, Box 1, Folder# 15, Item# 1, paes 8 and 9:  http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box1.htm

You can also read a copy of Fritz's notes of his interrogation of Oswald that Saturday afternoon in CD 81b, page 460, although these are hard to make out.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10483#relPageId=460&tab=page

Michael Paine said he talked to the Dallas Police about Neely St. on Friday evening.

See also Thomas Kelley's Report of this 12:35 Interview here:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=946#relPageId=652&tab=page

Now, Kelley says that the 12:35 Interview mainly consisted of questioning Oswald about where the bulk of his belongings were stored, and he says that immediately after the Interview was terminated at 1:10 PM, officers were dispatched to the Irving residence to conduct a further search.
My problem here is that Rose, Stovall and Adamcik say that they were dispatched to Irving at 12:00, and got a search warrant from a judge in Oak Cliff at 12:30.
This is even before Oswald was brought back down from jail at 12:35. They arrived at Irving at about 1:00, just about the time Oswald's interview was ending.

My hunch is that it was 133-C that was shown to Oswald - the one that stayed hidden for so many years.

Steve Thomas

Captain, William Paul “Pat” Gannaway.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/158496812/william-paul-gannaway

Birth 3 Feb 1916

Dearh 4 June 2000 (Age 84)

Austin, Travis County, Texas, USA

Burial Cook-Walden Capital Parks Cemetary and Mausoleum

Pflugerville, Travis County, Texas, USA

Full text of "Hoch Paul Correspondence"

_ ECHOES OF CONSPIRACY 
" Vol . 10, #2 
July 22, 1988 
Paul L. Hoch 

https://archive.org/stream/nsia-HochPaulCorrespondence/nsia-HochPaulCorrespondence/Hoch%20Paul%200952_djvu.txt

An article on "Spies in Dallas?" in a Dallas paper in summer 1963 lends support to speculation about active ONI interest, as it does to many ideas about a nexus of DPD, federal, and private intelligence outfits in Oswald's Dallas milieu. Capt. Pat Gannaway of the DPD (and Army Intelligence Reserve)

described the work against subversion and espionage of his Special Services Bureau, requiring "the closest cooperation" with other agencies, including the FBI, "military intelligence teams 'from the Army, Navy, and Air Force, and other federal agencies .... Dallas police have been highly successful in

recent years in penetrating so-called subversive or radical groups...."

Posted Tuesday, February 5, 2013

http://jfkcountercoup2.blogspot.com/2013/02/spies-in-dallas-police-alert.html

Spies in Dallas? Police Alert

By JERRY RICHMOND
Staff Writer

Posted by Bill Kelly at 6:50 AM

Steve Thomas

7 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

Steve,

 

When did you become an experts on strippers?

Jim,

Umm...

Steve Thomas

2 hours ago, David Josephs said:

 

While most who are posted on that site couldn't conclude the sky was blue on a sunny day, this one does have quite a bit based on reailty...

 

 

David,

Just for general info... Hart got her name wrong.

Her stage name was Pixie Lynn, not Dixie Lynn.

Her real name was Helen K. Smith.

Candy Barr was holding for Helen K. Smith when she got busted for marijuana in 1957.

Steve Thomas

On 2/1/2019 at 8:15 PM, Tony Krome said:

I thought I'd throw up some of my old research;

The photos below are the Oswald backyard photo and the re-enactment backyard photo from 3/31/67

Years ago, I sent cropped photos of just the shrub seen to the right of the men, to several garden/nursery businesses in the Dallas area

They replied that couldn't identify the shrub from the photos, but suggested the shrub was possibly deciduous

IF the shrub was deciduous, it suggests that the two photos below, depict two different seasons

Also, the grass underfoot seems lush on one photo and somewhat barren on the other

Thoughts?

 

Tony,

I always thought that the Oswald figure was superimposed on a background shot, and whoever did the superimposing (is that a real word?), did a sloppy job.

In your reproduction, the slots in the fence and the support posts for the stairs and the shed run pretty much straight up and down at 0 or 360 degree compass heading.

In the Oswald picture, the fence slats and support posts have a roughly 50 degree NE compass heading.

(Either that, or the contractor who built the shed and fencing needs to get another job.)

Steve Thomas

On 1/30/2019 at 10:28 AM, Adrian Newton said:

I was wondering within the JFK'verse if anyone was to start looking at the assasination, what question should they seek answered before progressing onto the next subject?

 

Adrian,

I guess your questions would be, Who, What, When, Where, Why and How. I think the only questions that can be definitely answered and What, When, and Where

Who did it?  Open for Debate.

What happened? JFK was shot with a gun.

When did it happen? 12:30 on a Friday afternoon in November, 1963.

Where did it happen? Dealey Plaza in Dallas, Texas.

Why did it happen? Open for Debate.

How did it happen? Open for Debate.

I guess a person would just need to take their pick as to what they wanted to tackle first.

Steve Thomas

On 1/31/2019 at 4:38 PM, Ron Bulman said:

Wasn't Westbrook the one who a year or so after the assassination took a job with ?AID? (CIA front) in Vietnam training their policemen?

Ron,

I believe that this was through the U.S. Agency for International Development's (USAID) Office of Public Safety Program.

From Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Public_Safety

"The Office of Public Safety (OPS) was a U.S. government agency, established in August 1962 by president John F. Kennedy to train police forces of America's allies.^[1] It was officially part of USAID (US Agency for International Development), and was close to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).^[2] Police-training teams were sent to South Vietnam, Iran, Taiwan, Brazil, Uruguay and Greece.^[3] Courses were held in French, Spanish and English.^[3] According to a 1973 document revealed in the Family jewels CIA documents, around 700 police officers were trained a year, including in handling of explosives.^[4] It was dissolved in 1974."

Steve Thomas

On 1/5/2019 at 11:33 PM, James DiEugenio said:

Thanks for posting this Doug.

Those were the days were they not?  What disclosures, what publicity, what headlines.  Both in the House with Pike and the senate with Frank Church.

For the first time, the CIA and FBI were on the ropes.  It actually looked like the good guys, like Frank Church and Otis Pike, would win.

But as usual, power wins out.

 

Jim,

Take heart. We may be on the cusp of a similar historical shift. I was following the election returns on the night of the 2018 mid-term elections, and they were talking about the greatest turnover in American politics since the election of 1974 following Nixon's resignation. As Phillip Agee wrote in his introduction to the Pike Committee Report,

If nothing else, in the Committee's Recommendations in Part III, there is this:

I mean, that's a good thing, right?

*smile*

Thanks to everyone for making this available.

Steve Thomas

On 12/16/2005 at 12:58 PM, Steve Thomas said:

Stephen,

I recently ran across one of those raw FBI files in which the memo said that there had been allegations that Jack Ruby was running drugs through the training camp near Lake Ponchatrain in the summer of 1963. In the same memo I think it was, it was also alleged that Lee Harvey Oswald sometimes used the alias, Tom Kane.

Have you ever heard of these allegations before?

Steve Thomas

See  "OSWALD IN NEW ORLEANS"  Church Committee Boxed Files  NARA Record Number: 157-10014-10120

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1462&search="Tom_Kane"#relPageId=92&tab=page

Pages 92 and 94

Steve Thomas

15 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

Mr. RANKIN. I call the Commission's attention to the fact that this is the coupon under which it appears the rifle was ordered, showing an enclosed $10 notation--"Check for $29.95, A. G. Hidell, age 28, post office box 2915, Dallas, Texas"

 

If Oswald ordered this pistol, I wonder why he felt he needed to lie about his age.

If someone else ordered it, they didn't know how old Oswald was.

The Hidell signature doesn't look anything like the rifle order Hidell.

Steve Thomas

1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said:

Steve:

Hawkins had a pass to the Carousel Club on him in the theater right?  What calls do you refer to of his?

Jim,

I know he had a Carousel pass. I don't know if it was on him.

From the WC testimony of T.A. Hutson (who was riding in the car with him):

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/hutson.htm

Mr. HUTSON. We proceeded west on 10th Street to Beckley, and we pulled into the Mobil gas station at Beckley and 10th Street.
Mr. BELIN. That is a Mobil gas station?
Mr. HUTSON. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
Mr. HUTSON. And Officer Ray Hawkins and Officer Baggett went inside of the Mobil gas station. And I am not positive, but I think they used the telephone to call in.
I am not positive, but I believe they gave us a call for us to call. I mean their number to call in.
At the time they were in the service station, I heard the dispatcher give a call that the suspect was just seen running across the lawn at the Oak Cliff Branch Library at Marsalis and Jefferson.
I reached over and blew the siren on the squad car to attract the officers' attention, Officers Baggett and Hawkins, and they came running out of the service station and jumped in the car,...

1) I don't find any such call on the dispatch tapes - either the Dispatcher calling them, or them responding, or them telling Dispatch that they would be out of the car.

2) Baggett was in the back seat. Why was it necessary for Bagget to go in the gas station with Hawkins?

3) Hawkins was not asked about this call when he testified to the WC, nor did he volunteer any info about the call when he offered a chronology of his actions that day.

4) Baggett didn't testify to the WC, and his after-action report to Curry - DPD Archives Box 2, Folder# 7, Item# 1, and Hawkins' Report (Box 2 Folder# 7, Item# 18) fail to mention anything about this call.

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm

4) I've tried to find a Mobil gas station at 10th and Beckley, looking at all four corners of the intersection using Mapquest, but came up short. My inexperience with using property tax records I guess.

Steve Thomas

1 hour ago, David Josephs said:

And just to come full circle... "CE137 is 2 items: a camera and a case... CE138 is supposedly a single item, a flash attachment.

 

Can you say "Minox"?

Mr. THORNE. Exhibit 137 is a camera in a leather case.
(The article referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 137 for identification.)

Mr. THORNE. Exhibit 138 is a flash attachment for some type of camera. It is an Ansco flash attachment.
Mrs. OSWALD. I have never seen it.
(The article referred to was marked Commission Exhibit' No. 138 for identification.)

So Tony, Had you ever noticed that CE137 and 138 do not exist?

+ 511	CE 136 - Camera.
+ 512	CE 139 - Mannlicher-Carcano rifle, serial No. C2766 (this rifle will subsequently be referred to as "the C2766" rifle).
+ 512	CE 140 - Green and brown blanket.

 

 

David,

I like this one:

TESTIMONY OF MRS. LEE HARVEY OSWALD RESUMED
The President's Commission met at 10 a.m. on February 6, 1964

Mr. RANKIN. I offer in evidence Exhibit 135.
The CHAIRMAN. It will be admitted.
(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 135, and received in evidence.)
Mr. RANKIN. I call the Commission's attention to the fact that this is the coupon under which it appears the rifle was ordered, showing an enclosed $10 notation--"Check for $29.95, A. G. Hidell, age 28, post office box 2915, Dallas, Texas"
And it is marked, "One quantity. Point 38 ST. W. 2 inch barrel, 29.95." and underlined is 29.95, and an arrow at that point.

Exhibit 135 is an order form for the pistol, not the rifle.

CE 773 was the Klein's Order Form for the Rifle

CE 788 was the Postal Money Order for the Rifle

Marina is not shown either the Hidell Selective Service card or the rifle order form. (Those would have been necessary in order to ask if that was her signature on those forms)

Steve Thomas

Here is the translation of CE993, Marina's Narrative of life with Lee:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1135#relPageId=610&tab=page

I started reading this narrative, and was immediately struck by how similar it is in linguistic style to Oswald's Daily Diary. Read his entry for October 21st, when he attempts "suicide" to the sound of violins playing. https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/pdf/WH16_CE_24.pdf

Steve Thomas

3 hours ago, Tony Krome said:

Marina ... 

She says she knew the rifle was wrapped in a blanket that her daughter loved to play with

Tony,

Ask Marina where the rifle was when they lived on Neely. If I have this straight,

Marina first saw the rifle in February, before it had even been purchased.

She first told the FBI that she saw Lee cleaning the rifle in January, but then later told them that she was mistaken and that the cleaning had taken place in March.

It was kept out in the open, but maybe he kept it outside.

Or maybe he kept it in a disassembled state on a shelf in the closet.

She never actually saw him take the rifle away from the apartment and never talks about seeing him bring it back.

Lee took the rifle on Sunday, but the shooting wasn't until Wednesday. Where was the rifle in the meantime?

She said that Lee had told her her buried the rifle after the shooting. When did he go back and dig it up?

When she saw the rifle, it didn't have a scope on it, but knew it had a scope because she recognized it.

Steve Thomas

3 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

 

3. Tippit rushing into the record store to make a call, and then rushing back out to head for his doom.

 

Jim,

Until somebody can explain J.D. Tippit's and Ray Hawkins's phone calls, I'm not going to believe anything about anybody.

Steve Thomas

"This is our Land"

"Cobalt is an essential component of rechargeable batteries in cars and mobile phones, and Congo is by far the world’s largest producer, with about half of all known reserves. In Kolwezi, the cobalt is often found with vast deposits of copper: After a rainstorm, some of the ground in the city turns as green as the Statue of Liberty. With the electronics boom worldwide, demand for both minerals has exploded."

New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/26/opinion/sunday/congo-mining-election-fraud.html

Steve Thomas

1 hour ago, Tony Krome said:

 

How many of these posters were put up around Dallas, 5,000?

 

Tony,

From the Warren Commission Report, page 298:

"Klause then arranged the halftone front and profile representations of President Kennedy at the top of the textual material he had received from Surrey so as to simulate a "man wanted" police placard. He then made a photographic printing plate of the picture. During the night, he and his wife surreptitiously printed approximately 5,000 copies on Lettercraft Printing Co. offset printing equipment without the knowledge of his employers. The next day he arranged with Surrey a meeting place, and delivered the handbills. Klause's charge for the printing of the handbills was, including expenses, $60."

Steve Thomas

4 hours ago, John Butler said:

Trying to Understand this Bronson Frame

 

Unrecognized People:  There are 9 people I put question marks on hoping someone can identify who they are.

John,

I think one of the four men behind Toni Foster (#'s 4, 5, 6, and 7) is her husband, but I can't tell which one. She had come out from behind a wall and was running towards Elm St. She ran out ahead of him trying to get a glimpse of JFK, and then worried later that he might be in the line of fire.

http://jfklancer.com/pdf/toni.pdf

Steve Thomas

11 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

Steve - who in DPD do you think were Military Intelligence? If there were some, why not the 488th?

Alpha 66 was being run by Army Intelligence. Veciana was connected to ACSI, as Newman has proved. At least one member of the 488th was a direct agent of ACSI - Brandstetter. 

Since you keep deflecting away from the 488th, and since you’ve stated the reservations you have about the evidence for its existence, what do you think it was? Are you saying it just didn’t exist? 

Paul,

For sure, George Lumpkin was one. Go back to the Revolt of the Colonels thread:

Headquarters

Department of the Army

26 July 1967

General Orders No. 33

https://www.apd.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/pdf/web/go6733.pdf

Page 5

(Go to: Publications, Army General Orders, Pub/Form Number DAGO 1967-33, Click download.)

V. Legion of Merit. By direction of the President...for exceptionally meritorious conduct in the performance of outstanding service is awarded to...

Colonel George L. Lumpkin. Intelligence and Security, United States Army, July, 1960 – June, 1967

https://newspaperarchive.com/tags/george-lumpkin/?pc=24581&psi=94&pci=7&pt=23960&ob=1/

There was a real 488th MID, but aside from Brandstetter's books, and Crichton's oral history interview, has anyone ever seen a piece of paper, a file, a document, a budget request, expenditure report, personnel roster, monthly fitness report, requisition for toilet paper with Crichton's 488th name on it? Which part of the U.S. Army's organizational structure did it belong to? You ask anybody who's ever served in the military; there's a chain of command (and God forbid you ever go outside of it :-)).

In his HSCA testimony, Robert E. Jones said, "I directed the operations for seven regions and reported through my Group Commander, to the Security Division of Fourth Army, Deputy Chief of Staff, Intelligence".

Who was Crichton's Group Commander?

Steve Thomas

1 hour ago, Larry Hancock said:

Thanks Steve,  of course in some respect it makes sense - but only for DPD.  After all they had experienced right wing violence on several occasions, they even prepared a photo book to use briefing security staff at the TSBD.  The one group that had caused no violence and virtually no profile were the Cuba exiles whom most everyone was sympathetic towards.  However it would be a very different story for the FBI, who was all over the weapons buying efforts, particularly those folks connected to the efforts to buy though Masen (it was Nonte who had triggered first Army intel and then the FBI to develop that sting).   And it was most definitely the DRE that was the primary focus there....it should be noted that many DRE members were also Alpha 66 members and that guys from both factions were routinely visiting the House on Harlandale.

Larry,

I've come to believe that, for whatever reason,  the Cuban exile situation in Dallas was simply just not on the radar of the DPD's Criminal Intelligence Division.

I've looked at this memo we are discussing and the fact that I believe, with two exceptions; none of the people who were on the list of TSBD employees were in the DPD Intelligence files - including Oswald.

That is also the reason I don't believe that Crichton's 100 men in the 488th included members of the DPD.

However, there were members of the DPD who were in military intelligence, and why they didn't share their knowledge with the Dallas's CID is something I can't explain.

Steve Thomas

6 hours ago, Larry Hancock said:

  Interestingly I once talked for years with a DPD reserve officer who was in subversive assignments and he told me about his assignment on Nov 22...they were covering white radicals, black radicals etc but as far as he knew Cuban exiles were not even on their radar.  However given their weapons buying efforts, the Cubans definitely were for the FBI.

Larry,

On February 5, 1964, Lt. Jack Revill wrote Jesse Curry a memo detailing the groups that had been put under surveillance prior to JFK's visit.

You can find that list of nine organizations in the DPD Archives Box 13, Folder# 4, Item# 52, pages 1&2.

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box13.htm

And yes, your reserve officer was right. There were no Cuban exile groups.

Steve Thomas