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Joe, FWIW. I've gone through what little I have on the 316th, the 112th and the 4150th, and haven't run across his name. Steve Thomas

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Joe, Check this out. From your FBI document: Irving Daily News from Irving, Texas November 9, 1969 Page 30 https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/44056509/ IRVING DAILY NEWS - Sunday, JOE GARLAND KEESEE SP3 U. S. Army Son of Mr. and Mrs. TJ. Keesee of 601 Brandenburg Serving as radio operator in radar tower at missile test range near Kunsan, Korea. Basic training at Fort Bliss, El Paso, radio school at Fort Huachuca, Arizona, then to Korea in July. Irving High School 1967 graduate, attended ElCentro for one year and employed at Dyna Color Corporation prior to joining the army This doesn't prove anything of course, but it's awfully suggestive. (So is the Fort Huachuca assignment. A lot of the guys in MI spent time there.) Dyna Color was a a subsidiary of 3M. Steve Thomas

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Captain, Cecil Talbert was back in that alley too. Talbert was the Captain of the Patrol Division, Second Platoon 8:00 AM to 4:00 PM shift. Report of Sergeant H.H. Stringer Personnel Bureau, Box 2, Folder# 7, Item# 40. http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm Report of Paul Bentley Box 5, Folder# 2, Item# 71 http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box5.htm There is no report from Talbert in the DPD Archives concerning his actions on the 22nd. Talbert was in charge of the TSBD until Lumpkin showed up at 12:49 PM. He was also at the site of Tippit’s shooting. That's where he and Bentley hooked up. Steve Thomas

According to Dale Myers, Ward's Drug Store was across the street from the Theater on Jefferson at the corner of Jefferson and Madison. Steve Thomas

Jeremy, Buhk, Cunningham, Talylor and Toney were riding together. This is from Buhk's after-action report: (from Box 2 of the DPD Archives). Cunningham said: I'm not sure where Ward's Drug Store is in relation to the Theater, or if Buhk moved the car to the alley after letting the other three out. Buhk said, "We brought him to City Hall", so I'm almost certain it was their car that took Applin downtown. Steve Thomas

From JFK and the Unspeakable, by James Douglas p, 361 https://books.google.com/books?id=KS-6XrdalGkC&pg=PA361&lpg=PA361&dq=%22George+Applin%22&source=bl&ots=1jTd8TtRCF&sig=ACfU3U0A7VQ-QtdiVf2_hEoZYmni3vqVJQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj51oiUrabkAhUnjK0KHSzoAzY4ChDoATAAegQICBAB#v=onepage&q=%22George%20Applin%22&f=false Footnote 823 (pp 486-487) is not included in this online version. Steve Thomas

Jeremy, You could very well be right. George Applin's affidavit is found in Box 2, Folder# 2, Item# 3 in the DPD Archives here: http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm It was taken on the 22nd by Eunice Sorrells, who was a stenographer in Curry's office; and while Toney's name isn't on it, Applin's affidavit was witnessed by Arthurene Teague, who was a typist in the Forgery Bureau, where Toney worked. https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf Steve Thomas

Ron, This is from the Sheriff Department's Dispatch Tapes - CE 705 p. 379. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1134#relPageId=405&tab=page I don't know who 44 and 35 are, or how 35 knew this, but between 1:40 and 1:50, units 24, 61, 25, and 29 responded that they were out at the Theater. 44 said he was enroute. By 1:51, Units 103, 104 and 23 are also there. (That's what? eight Sheriff's Deputies?) By 1:53 the suspect is in custody. P.S. Ron, as the originator of this thread, I think you are the only one who can edit its title. Steve Thomas

Beckham's 28 page interview before investigators for the HSCA: Beckham’s 28 page interview before the HSCA https://www.fittonbooks.org/rpf825215.pdf There is some info about delivering a package to Lawrence Howard in Dallas two weeks before the assassination, but nothing about being in the Theater, or even being in Dallas on the 22nd. Steve Thomas

From Gilbrede's Matrix for Assassination pp. 311-312 If Applin's guy was wearing a "light-colored shirt", and the guy Courson saw coming down the stairs was wearing a "kind of plaid or checkered pattern shirt", they probably weren't the same guy. Steve Thomas

Richard Gilbrede makes the case that this witness might have been Thomas Edward Beckham. From Matrix for Assassination by Richard Gilbride. Page 311 https://books.google.com/books?id=j7iN57YRRBIC&pg=PA311&lpg=PA311&dq="John+B.+Toney"&source=bl&ots=snc7cE0BM3&sig=ACfU3U0CxbDyfQ-oemPYOfDf2ABsw5gXYQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi90IGGn6PkAhVBYKwKHVVmAfA4ChDoATAGegQICBAB#v=onepage&q="John B. Toney"&f=false Beckham? Who is Beckham? From page 310 A Record from Mary's Database https://www.maryferrell.org/php/marysdb.php?id=941 Record: BECKHAM, THOMAS EDWARD Sources: HSCA, Vol. XII (397); Kennedy Conspiracy, Flammonde (203); Cover-Up, Shaw & Harris (164); New Orleans Times Picayune, 2/3/68 (22); JFK Collection List, pg. 40 (under aliases), pg. 58 (under arrest) (AMKW 78, 96) Mary's Comments: Born in Enid, Okla. Associate of David Ferrie's. Arrested with his brother Orville in July 1961 in Algiers (New Orleans) for theft. Singer and disk jockey (using name "Mark Evans"). Street preacher for a mission for Cuban exiles. Corresponded with Fred Crisman, a disk jockey who used name "John Gold". Ran for Congress in 1966 from 2nd Nebraska District. Picture from Garrison's office shows mug shot of Beckham with "sign" hanging around his neck: New Orleans, LA 6/14/62. He was in jail in Mobil, Ala, in 1978 when HSCA had "long interview" with him. Long story in Mobile, Alabama, newspaper. Beckham had a brother, A. M. "Sonny" Beckham, in Slidell, Louisiana. Subpoenaed Witnesses in Kennedy Probe https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/new-orleans-la-the-orleans-parish-grand-jury-issued-three-news-photo/515040512?adppopup=true (Original Caption) 12/29/1967-New Orleans, LA- The Orleans Parish grand jury issued three subpoenas for witnesses in connection with DA Jim Garrison's Kennedy assassination probe. They are (left to right): Lawrence John Howard Jr., of Los Angeles; Thomas Edward Beckham, of Omaha, NE; and Loran Eugene Hail of Kernville, CA. Beckham does not appear in the DPD Archives Index. Steve Thomas

Obituary for Detective John B. Toney Toney, Chief John B. Chief Toney served as Executive Chief for the Dallas County Sheriffs Department from 1981 to 1997 after retiring from Dallas Police Department. He is survived by his wife, Margie Toney. Services will be held 2:00PM Wednesday September 21, 2011 at Eastgate Funeral Home Chapel. Former Sheriff Jim Bowles and other chiefs will be speaking. Published in Dallas Morning News on Sept. 18, 2011 Steve Thomas

Ron, That happened to me once; but in that case, another member deliberately changed what I had originally written, so that he could go back ans refute me. It wasn't even a case of being a misquote. I was furious. Steve Thomas

Jim, It's kind of interesting. Both Marvin Buhk and E.E. Taylor said in their after-action reports (DPD Archives Box 2, Folder# 7) http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm that a witness from the Theater was brought to City Hall and his affidavit was taken by J.B. Toney. Toney himself did not mention anything about taking this affidavit in his after-action report. The name Jack Davis does not appear in the DPD Archive index. 1) Who was this witness? 2) Was this witness the person who was taken out the back of the Theater and put in a squad car? 3) In his after-action report, E.E. Taylor wrote that he, Lt. Cunningham and J.B Tony (sic) remained at the Theater and took the names and addresses of the occupants of the Theater. Here is what he wrote: In his report, Taylor doesn't say anything about this witness having seen Oswald enter the Theater without paying a ticket, so I doubt he is talking about Johnny Brewer, If Jack Davis was taken to City Hall, what happened to his affidavit? Davis was not questioned by the WC either. I have read that Davis was 18 in 1963. Do we know anything more about his life? 4) Did this witness look like Oswald? I personally think this "witness" makes for a stronger case for the guy taken out the back and being put in a squad car than a second Oswald. 5) What happened to this "witness's Affidavit? Why doesn't Toney mention this in his after-action Report? 6) Butch Burroughs does not appear in the DPD Archives Index either. In his WC testimony, Burroughs wasn't asked, and he didn't say anything about being taken down to City Hall and having an Affidavit taken. Steve Thomas

David, Thank you. "Mr. CALLAWAY. I saw a squad car, and by that time there was four or five people that had gathered, a couple of cars had stopped. Then I saw--I went on up to the squad car and saw the police officer lying in the street. I see he had been shot in the head. So the first thing I did, I ran over to the squad car. I didn't know whether anybody reported it or not. So I got on the police radio and called them, and told them a man had been shot, told them the location, I thought the officer was dead. They said we know about it, stay off the air, so I went back." Steve Thomas

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Jim, It's kind of interesting. Toney, E.E. Taylor, Cunningham and Marvin Buhk were riding in a car together, and went to the Theater. Their after-action reports are in Box 2, Folder# 7 of the DPD Archives http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm Taylor# 55 Toney# 62 Cunningham# 65 Taylor was Narcotics in the Special Service Bureau under Captain Gannaway. Toney and Cunningham were in Forgery under Captain Orville Jones. https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf Several of them speak of compiling such a list, but not one of them said what they did with it. Having different Captains, I don't know that they would necessarily have turned it over to Westbrook. I think if Cunningham took charge of it, he could have turned it over to his own Captain in Forgery, or maybe Fritz who was heading the investigation as Head of the Homicide and Robbery Bureau. Everybody who transported LHO back to City Hall though did seem to congregate back in Westbrook's office afterwards - more space perhaps? Steve Thomas

Ian, Yep. It appears that way. I never have figured that one out. Steve Thomas

It doesn't appear to me that there was any confusion on Benavides' part. We only have Bowley's word that Benavides didn't know how to use the radio. I had no idea that Bowley worked as a doorman at the Vegas Club and that his wife, Joyce was also a barmaid there. When Dispatch told the citizen to stay off the air, that they already had that information; that was three minutes after the fact. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/benavide.htm Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do? Mr. BENAVIDES - Then I don't know if I opened the car door back further than what it was or not, but anyway, I went in and pulled the radio and I mashed the button and told them that an officer had been shot, and I didn't get an answer, so I said it again, and this guy asked me whereabouts all of a sudden, and I said, on 10th Street. I couldn't remember where it was at at the time. So I looked up and I seen this number and I said 410 East 10th Street. Mr. BELIN - You saw a number on the house then? Mr. BENAVIDES - Yes. Mr. BELIN - All right. Mr. BENAVIDES - Then he started to--then I don't know what he said; but I put the radio back. I mean, the microphone back up, and this other guy was standing there, so I got up out of the car, and I don't know, I wasn't sure if he heard me, and the other guy sat down in the car. Mr. BELIN - There was another passerby that stopped? Mr. BENAVIDES - Yes, sir. Mr. BELIN - Who was he, do you know? Mr. BENAVIDES - I couldn't tell you. I don't know who he was. Mr. BELIN - Was he driving a car or walking? Mr. BENAVIDES - I don't know. He was just standing there whenever I looked up. He was standing at the door of the car, and I don't know what he said to the officer or the phone, but the officer told him to keep the line clear, or something, and stay off the phone, or something like that. That he already knew about it. So then I turned and walked off. I never did assist him after that at all. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/bowley.htm AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT THE STATE OF TEXAS COUNTY OF DALLAS Affidavit taken 12/2/63 BEFORE ME, Mary Rattan, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared T.F. Bowley w/m/35 of 1454 Summertime Lane, TE6 5965 who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says: On Friday November 22, 1963 I picked up my daughter at the R. L. Thornton School in Singing Hills at about 12:55 pm. I then left the school to pick up my wife who was at work at the Telephone Company at Ninth Street and Zangs Street. I was headed north on Marsalis and turned west on 10th Street. I traveled about a block and noticed a Dallas police squad car stopped in the traffic lane headed east on 10th Street. I saw a police officer lying next to the left front wheel. I stopped my car and got out to go to the scene. I looked at my watch and it said 1:10 pm. Several people were at the scene. When I got there the first thing I did was try to help the officer. He appeared beyond help to me. A man was trying to use the radio in the squad car but stated he didn't know how to operate it. I know how and took the radio from him. I said, "Hello, operator. A police officer has been shot here." The dispatcher asked for the location. I found out the location and told the dispatcher what it was. A few minutes later an ambulance came to the scene. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=205582&relPageId=15&search=T.F._Bowley A Record from Mary's Database Record: BOWLEY, TEMPLE F. "TOM" Mary's Comments: Shown as "Bewley" in error. Representative of Western Electric. Wife: Joyce. Joyce worked as barmaid at Vegas Club during time Bowley worked there as a doorman. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=149247&relPageId=5&search=T.F._Bowley http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/tapes2.htm 1:15 PM Dispatcher Unit ending in 6. (Long pause, 15 seconds) 1:16 PM Citizen Hello, police operator? Dispatcher Go ahead. Go ahead, citizen using the police radio. Citizen There's been a shooting out here. Dispatcher Where's it at? Dispatcher The citizen using the police radio . . . Citizen Tenth Street. Dispatcher What location on Tenth Street? Citizen Between Marsalis and Beckley. It's a police officer. Somebody shot him. What -- what's . . . 404 Tenth Street. Dispatcher Can you hear me? (Man and woman's voices in background) Dispatcher 78. Citizen It's in a police car, number 10. Dispatcher 78. Dispatcher (?) 78. Citizen Got that? Citizen Hello, police operator. Did you get that? Dispatcher Attention. Signal 19, police officer, 510 E. Jefferson. Citizen Thank you. 35 (Ptm. J.M. Lewis) 35. 259 (unknown) 259. Dispatcher The citizen using the police radio: Remain off the radio now. 1:19 PM (three minutes later) Citizen Pardon, from out here on Tenth Street, 500 block. This officer just shot. I think he's dead. Dispatcher 10-4. We have that information. The citizen using the radio: Remain off the radio now. Steve Thomas

David, Have you ever read the doctor's report from Russia? I think it's in that batch of documents in CE 985. If I remember right, it's kind of revealing. Only a couple of stitches and no tendons or ligaments were cut. I think he was suspicious of Oswald's language ability and whether he could or could not understand Russian. Steve Thomas

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Jim, Rather than post it here, could I invite you to look at my web site? https://myjfksite.weebly.com/ The Heading is "Harvey Lee Oswald", and it's about 3/5 down the page. The Headings are in red. Steve Thomas

Jim, I have been tracking the known references I have found of Harvey Lee Oswald. So far, I have 29 of them. This is over and above the Harvey and Lee research that you and John Armstrong have done. I have tried to trace the earliest reference I can, and from what I've found, it seems to be coming out of Russia of all places. I think the Harvey Lee Oswald persona was created long before we knew it to be, but by who or why or how, I don't know. I think this persona, or dossier was created and shared across all spectrums of the intelligence community. I am with Peter Dale Scott on this one: Lee Harvey Oswald in Russia An Unauthorized History from the Kennedy Assassination http://www.russianbooks.org/oswald-in-russia.htm “This "Harvey Lee Oswald" reference is no accidental anomaly, but part of an organized pattern, widely dispersed, that suggests an official intelligence deception (and possible dual filing system). Serial 02296-E of 27 Jun 60 is the earliest Harvey Lee Oswald reference we now possess of over two dozen, from the files of ONI, FBI, CIA, Army Intelligence, the Secret Service, the Mexican Secret Police (DFS), and the Dallas Police.9 A consistent pattern of behavior in these agencies since the assassination has been the tendency to suppress references to "Harvey Lee Oswald," and replace them by the more standard "Lee Harvey Oswald."10 9 . For a discussion and incomplete list, see Peter Dale Scott, Deep Politics Two, 80, 85-89, 118-19, 142-49. 10. Ibid. especially pp. 118-19. I think the Harvey Lee Oswald is the Oswald, comma, Harvey Lee (Oswald, Harvey Lee); who registered at the 1026 N. Beckely roominghouse as O.H. Lee and who Earlene Roberts and Arthur Johnson said the police came looking for, some half an hour before Lee Harvey was even arrested at the Texas Theater. This at least one hour before the Detectives were dispatched from Police Headquarters at 2:40PM. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/johnso_a.htm Mr. BELIN. How long had you been at the house when the officers arrived? Mr. JOHNSON. Oh, probably 30 minutes. Mr. BELIN. Do you remember about what time of the day they arrived? Mr. JOHNSON. Well, it must have been around 1:30 or 2 o'clock--the best I remember. Mr. BELIN. When did you get home that day from your work? Mr. JOHNSON. Well, it was around 1 o'clock or maybe a little bit after. WC testimony of Earlene Roberts April 8, 1964 http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/robertse.htm Mr. BALL. Do you remember the day the President was shot? Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes; I remember it---who would forget that? Mr. BALL. And the police officers came out there? Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Do you remember what they said? Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, it was Will Fritz' men---it was plainclothesmen and I was at the back doing something and Mr. Johnson answered the door and they identified themselves and then he called me. Mr. BALL. What did they say? Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, they asked him if there was a Harvey Lee Oswald there. Mr. BALL. What did he say? Mrs. ROBERTS. And he says, "I don't know, I'll have to call the housekeeper," and he called me and I went and got the books and I said, "No; there's no one here by that name," and they tried to make me remember and I couldn't, and Mrs. Johnson come in in the meantime and there wasn't nobody there by that name, and Mrs. Johnson said, "Mrs. Roberts, don't you have him?" And, I said, "No; we don't, for here is my book and there is nobody there by that name." We checked it back a year. Mr. BALL. And you didn't have that name you didn't ever know his name was Lee Oswald? Mrs. ROBERTS. No---he registered as O. H. Lee and they were asking for Harvey Lee Oswald. Steve Thomas