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Stephanie, In reading up about the building at 501 Elm, I ran across several references that said the building was more or less devoted to textiles. ( Aside from the Mort Freedman, Dallas Uranium and Oil Company, and Marilyn Belts - who all shared the same telephone number). There's a woman named Linda Minor, who writes a blog called, Quixotic Joust. She explored the topic of uranium exploration among rich Dallasites here: http://quixoticjoust.blogspot.com/2011/06/other-uranium-explorers-in-texas-in.html “Other Uranium Explorers in Texas in the 1950's “ She talks about the shadowy Dallas Uranium and Oil Company in the Dal-Tex building, and more. How close was D.H. Byrd - owner of the TSBD and President of Byrd Uranium Co. and Byrd Oil Co. to the Dallas Uranium and Oil Co. at 501 Elm? I don't know. It's an interesting question. To go back to your original question; didn't the type of camera used to take the Oswald rifle pictures develop the photos inside the camera itself? Perhaps David Joseph could answer that question. I know old Polaroid cameras used to develop pictures that way. Among Oswald's possessions seized by the police after JFK's assassination were a number of rolls of 35mm film - both exposed and unexposed. I had the same question you did. Where did Oswald get those rolls of film developed? Steve Thomas

David, Thanks for this. It strengthens my personal belief that the "Harvey Lee Oswald" dossier tracks back to Oswald's "defection" to the USSR. Steve Thomas

Tony, This is what I have gathered on Orlov so far: Lawrence Orlov: From Robert Howard in the Education Forum Posted August 27, 2006 http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?/topic/7738-colonel-lawrence-orlov/ As a reference point, Colonel Orlov was with George DeMohrenschildt when George paid his first visit to Lee and Marina Oswald, a visit which George DeMohrenschildt maintained in his unpublished manuscript found Orlov captivated by Marina, so to speak. From Robert Howard in the Education Forum 1/27/2007 http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?/topic/7738-colonel-lawrence-orlov/ Well, Orlov apparently has been been at least interviewed, in [Anthony Summers] Not in Your Lifetime it states: "When Oswald and his Soviet wife came to the United States, in 1962, Russian émigré de Mohrenschildt was in the area and available, an excellent candidate if someone was needed to pump Oswald on his Russian adventure. He and his wife always claimed they encountered Oswald by chance, in Autumn that year, following a casual introduction by friends in the Russian community. Over the years, however, the participants have differed as to precisely how it came about. One early version was that they were taken to see Oswald by a Dallas businessman of Russian descent, Col Lawrence Orlov. Orlov, though, told an interviewer that when that meeting took place it was obvious the Oswald's and the de Mohrenschildt's had met before. De Mohrenschildt told the FBI after the assassination that they had been introduced by the doyen of the affluent Russian colony in Dallas, George Bouhe. Bouhe said it did not happen that way." A Record from Mary's Database: Record: ORLOV, LAWRENCE COL. https://www.maryferrell.org/php/marysdb.php?id=7127 Dallas oil man. Friend of George deMohrenschildt. Orlov and deMohrenschildt went to Ft. Worth in 1962 to call on the Oswalds. From James Richards in the Education Forum 1/28/2007: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?/topic/7738-colonel-lawrence-orlov/ Robert, Just to add some color, Lawrence Orlov was a competition volleyball player and his team trained and played at the YMCA (this would have been from the mid 1950's through to the early 1960's). One of Orlov's team mates was a guy by the name of Jim Iles who had connections to the oil industry and was also allegedly associated with Jack Ruby, both men working out there. From Robert Howard in the Education Forum 4/10/2007: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?/topic/7738-colonel-lawrence-orlov/&page=2 The FBI interviewed Col Lawrence Orlov; on 3-4-1964 FBI SA Raymond Yelchak filed a record of his interview with the Colonel. Col Lawrence Orlov, 511 N. Akard Building, furnished the following information: About a year ago in October, 1962 a friend of his, GEORGE DEMOHRENSCHILDT, asked him if he would like to meet a young Russian girl at Fort Worth, Texas. They both proceeded to Fort Worth on business and later that same day GEORGE took him to meet MARINA OSWALD. They spent a few minutes in conversation with MARINA and were interrupted by LEE HARVEY OSWALD's return from work. OSWALD seemed to be a genial sort of person. The conversation was held in the Russian language however ORLOV however ORLOV does not believe the conversation was of any consequence. He stated GEORGE informed him that MARINA was in great fear of her husband and he [GEORGE] was attempting to help them get settled. ORLOV indicated that a few months later GEORGE casually mentioned that he and some others [he did not mention any names] were talking about arranging to get a divorce for MARINA OSWALD in view of the mistreatment she was receiving from her husband. GEORGE gave no indication that the OSWALDS were aware of this. ORLOV stated he had no other information in regards to the OSWALDS. From Robert Howard in the Education Forum 7/15/2007: Paper: Patriot-News, The (Harrisburg, PA) Deceased: Lawrence Orlov Date: September 22, 1989 CARLISLE - Lawrence Orlov, 90, formerly of Dallas, died yesterday in Forest Park Nursing Center. He was a member of the Unitarian Church, a retired oil and gas operator, a veteran of World Wars I and II and a Mason. WC testimony of George DeMohrenschildt: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/demohr_g.htm Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. My best recollection--I even cannot recall who gave me their address in Fort Worth. I don't recall that. Either George Bouhe or the Clarks, because the Clarks knew them already, Max and Gali Clark, because they were from Fort Worth, you see. And I think a few days later somebody told me that they live in dire poverty. Somewhere in the slums of Fort Worth. I had to go on business to Fort Worth with my very close friend, Colonel Orlov. Mr. JENNER. What is his first name? Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Lawrence Orlov--he is an American, but he has a Russian name for some reason--maybe his great- grandfather came from Russia. And to my best recollection, Lawrence and I were on some business in Fort Worth, and I told him let's go and meet those people, and the two of us drove to this slum area in Fort Worth and knocked at the door, and here was Marina and the baby. Oswald was not there. Mr. JENNER. She answered the door. Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. Mr. JENNER. You identified yourself? Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; I said a few words in Russian, I said we are friends of George Bouhe. I think he was already helping them a little bit, giving them something for the baby or Something. I think he had already been in--he helps everybody. He has been helping her especially. Steve Thomas

Stephanie, John Butler is absolutely right. The pages i posted were from a 1961 City Directory and are not helpful in your search for 1963 occupants of the Dal-Tex Bldg. I should have done a better job in my research. I did run across one item that might help. I cannot speak for the accuracy or authority of this web post. Posting by Chris Scally in the JFK Assassination Forum 1/24/18 https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?topic=108.0 Robert: Don't know if the following is of any help, but the following is what I have regarding the occupants of the Dal-Tex Building in 1963: First Floor – Vacant Second Floor – • McKell’s Sportswear Inc. – women’s clothing manufacturer (Hank Stanton, who is seen in the famous Altgens photo sitting on the window ledge on the second floor, worked for – and/or was - the son of the owner of a women’s clothes manufacturing business on second floor. But was it McKell’s?) • Stan Lea of Dallas (blouse manufacturer) Third Floor – • Miller-Cupaioli (Clothing). The company changed its name to Miller-Randazzo in 1964. Assassination eye-witnesses Carolyn Walther and Pearl Springer worked for this company. • Some sources have indicated that Dallas Uranium & Oil had offices on this floor Fourth Floor – Jennifer Juniors Inc. (Zapruder’s company. His office was on this floor). Among the employees were Marilyn Sitzman (receptionist), Lillian Rogers (Zapruder's secretary and PA), Beatrice Hester (Payroll / Shipping Clerk), and Erwin Schwartz, Zapruder's business partner. I have a photo somewhere in my files of Zapruder and some of his staff in January 1957, and there were about 24-30 people in the photo. Fifth Floor – • Edwill's Fashions, Inc. • Ralph Leeds Inc. • Cupaioldi & Leeds • Jennifer Juniors Sixth Floor – • Marilyn Belt Manufacturing Co. (began operations in 1944) - Andy Armstrong worked here for two months in January 1962, before going to work for Jack Ruby in the Carousel Club. Morty (or Marty) Freedman was said to own Marilyn Belt, and the manager was E.L. Nelson. The plant Supervisor was a woman named Virgle Batson • Morty Freeman Inc. • Dallas Uranium & Oil. (All three companies above were said to have the same shared telephone number) Seventh Floor – Mr. Eddie Inc. MGB Manufacturing Adaptables Inc. Hope this helps, but if anyone has any further detail, I, too, would be interesting in hearing about them. Chris I apologize for the formatting. I can't figure out how to get rid of it. Steve Thomas

Stephanie, According to the 1961 Dallas Yellow Pages, there were a number of publishers that had their offices at 501 Elm. Here's a couple of copies: https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth806907/m1/303/zoom/?q=501%20Elm&resolution=1&lat=2495.0833288165322&lon=445.6666576330641 I didn't see anything under Photographic Developing (pages 276 and 277). https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth806907/m1/297/?q=page%20270 Steve Thomas

Bart, CE 2003 is a list of TSBD employees that Westphal and Parks gave to Pat Gannaway thru Jack Revill. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1140#relPageId=277&tab=page Assuming that the 2nd column headed "INT", stands for those people in the DPD's Intelligence files, there are only two names that have a reference number: Joe Molina's and a Mrs. J.E. Dean. Would you know anything about Mrs. Dean? Steve Thomas

Jim, About the only thing we have to go on are the words of Marina, and to me, these are confusing. "Mrs. OSWALD. Soon after that, Lee lost his job---I don't know for what reason. He was upset by it. And he looked for work for several days. And then I insisted that it would be better for him to go to New Orleans where he had relatives. I insisted on that because I wanted to get him further removed from Dallas and from Walker, because even though he gave me his word, I wanted to have him further away, because a rifle for him was not a very good toy---a toy that was too enticing.Mr. RANKIN. Did you say that you wanted him to go to New Orleans because of the Walker incident?Mrs. OSWALD. No. I simply told him that I wanted to see his home town. He had been born there. Did she insist because of the Walker thing, or just because she wanted to see his home town? It's confusing. I don't remember if he told Lillian Murret why he was in NO. She just said he was there to look for a job. Steve Thomas

Jim, One possible source of info might lie in the ranks of the Wackenhut Corporation. One of their main recruiting tools was that the company had a lot of ex-FBI agents as employees. From what I've read, Hoover despised the man and made it known that no one in the FBI should have anything to do with him. WACKENHUT CORPORATION INFORMATION ABOUT THE START OF THE CORPORATION https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=26816&relPageId=3&search=Wackenhut Steve Thomas

David, Just for some background perspective only: History Of Keesler Air Force Base https://www.keesler.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/360538/history-of-keesler-air-force-base/ In early 1949, Air Training Command decided that Keesler should focus its efforts on teaching radar, radio, and electronics maintenance and repair. To make room, the airplane and engine mechanics courses had to be moved elsewhere. Especially since the Air Force also planned to transfer the Radio Operations School to Keesler from Scott AFB, Illinois. In addition to training radio operators, Keesler was to begin teaching air traffic service technicians; aircraft approach controllers, ground radar mechanics, and radar repairman/ground controlled approach specialists. The last mechanics training courses had moved to Sheppard AFB, Texas, by November, and it was at this point in the base's history that Keesler became known as the "Electronics Training Center of the Air Force." The Korean War and the Fifties: 1950 - 1959 In August 1950, Keesler embarked on a major rebuilding program to upgrade its facilities across the board. The first phase of this project called for the construction of a new electronics laboratory, barracks, and a dining hall for a total cost of $14 million. In 1951, Congress appropriated an additional $44 million to complete Keesler's reconstruction. Plans included four two-story academic buildings (later named Allee, Dolan, Thomson, and Wolfe Halls), a 352-bed hospital, modern family housing units, and a three-story dormitory complex dubbed "the triangle" because of its distinctive layout. The 1950s also meant organizational change for Keesler. Since August 1948, the 3380th Technical Training Wing had controlled all base activities. Under it were four subordinate units: the 3380th Technical Training Group, which operated the school; the 3380th Maintenance and Supply Group; the 3380th Air Base Group; and the 3380th Medical Group. In 1955, a fifth group was added: the 3380th Installations Group. That arrangement continued until 1 January 1959, when Air Training Command redesignated the wing as Headquarters, Keesler Technical Training Center (KTTC). At the same time, the training group was redesignated as the 3380th Technical School, USAF, and all of its subordinate student squadrons were renamed school squadrons. Technical Training Keesler's modernization required more than expanded facilities. For example, Keesler began using television instruction methods as early as June 1953. In 1950, Keesler offered only 14 generalized courses, but by December 1959 that number had grown to 116, including vital USAF programs such as the aircraft warning and control system. In early 1956, Keesler entered the missile age by opening a ground support training program for the SM-65 Atlas intercontinental ballistic missile. In addition, school personnel were developing training methods for the newly adopted semi-automatic ground environment (SAGE) system, an integrated defense net intended to protect the United States from Soviet air attack. The base gained even more responsibility in 1958, when the Air Force announced that Scott AFB would relinquish its training mission. As a result, all control tower operator, radio maintenance, a n d general radio operator courses came to be under Keesler's already broad technical training roof. Steve Thomas

Memorandum jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/.../Item%2006.pdf Quigley waited until February of 1964 to ask Martello why he thought Oswald wanted to talk to an FBI agent? Steve Thomas

From A Farewell to Justice by Jim Garrison: https://books.google.com/books?id=9mQtAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT58&lpg=PT58&dq="Francis+Martello"&source=bl&ots=JR-gT302sf&sig=ACfU3U16zptsusScb9ZTG9TaTboqkxRZlg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjHibLhlsHhAhXLzIMKHdwhCdU4ChDoATAGegQICRAB#v=onepage&q="Francis Martello"&f=false Steve Thomas

Jim, The WC Executive Session Tannenbaum refers to was January 27, 1964. You can read the transcript here: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1328#relPageId=4&tab=page If I remember right, the information came from the newspaper reporter, Lonnie Hudkins, who said he got it from Deputy Sheriff, Allen Sweatt. And, if I also remember right, Sweatt got it from Assistant DA, Bill Alexander. Steve Thomas

Tony, It never made any sense to me that Oswald would ask to speak to an FBI agent, and when that agent did show up, Oswald would just talk gibberish to him. He would either say, "I've got some hot information that can't wait for 24 hours". or he would say, "Gee guys, I'm one of you, can't you get me out of here?" Neither of those two things happened. Those who believe that LHO acted alone in killing JFK would point to LHO's behavior as just one more example of Oswald's being unhinged. I think LHO was surprised when Quigley showed up, and he just spouted off some more nonsense about communism vs capitalism and the FPCC. When Quigley showed up at the police station, he didn't even know the name of the individual he was supposed to be interviewing. If Oswald had called the FBI, he would have said, "This is Lee Oswald and I've got some important information", or he would have said, "This is Agent T-1." or some such. No, It was Martello who was driving the bus. Why direct Quigley's attention to the FPCC material before letting him see Oswald? Quigley told the WC, " Mr. QUIGLEY. At the time I arrived at the police station, Lieutenant Martello directed me to the commanding officer's office, where there was laid out on the table a number of different pamphlets, throwaways, relating to the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, which he advised me had been removed by the New Orleans Police Department from Oswald the previous day, August 9, at the time of his arrest, for disturbing the peace on Canal Street. I reviewed, generally looked over, the material to see what it was. I was not familiar with any of this material. While I was doing this, he had not at this point identified who the individual was other than the person had been arrested the previous day; while I was looking over the material, the jailer brought in an individual who was then introduced to me by Lieutenant Martello as Harvey Lee Oswald. I then identified myself by credentials to Lee Harvey Oswald." PS: Catch the Harvey Lee Oswald reference? This is coming from someone who had spent the prior two years as the "deputy commander of the Intelligence Division of the New Orleans Police Department." Steve Thomas

Paul, I was being facetious. I'm pretty sure she was talking about Lee getting out of Russia, because his response to her was, "I've been back for about a year and a half now." Steve Thomas

Jim, I liked this one: Lillian Murret: "Mrs. MURRET - “...one day the telephone rang and I answered the phone, and Lee said, "Hello, Aunt Lillian,...and I said, "Who is this?" and he said, "This is Lee," and I said, "Lee?" and he said, "Yes." I said, "When did you get out? When did you get back? What are you doing?" *smile* Steve Thomas

Paul, https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1421&search=DeBrueys#relPageId=5&tab=page Testimony in Executive Session by Warren DeBrueys before the Church Committee January 8, 1976 Are you aware of any information that DeBrueys ever said that he got from Oswald? Steve Thomas

Jim, Like you said, it might be a matter of interpretation, but I'd point out that in both cases (the FBI report and Quigley's testimony to the WC, Quigley said he went down to the New Orleans PD at Oswald's request. The information that Oswald had asked to see an FBI agent came from Francis Martello; but in Martello's own memorandum, there is no mention of Oswald asking to see an FBI agent. That's what Quigley was told, and we can't ask Oswald, because he's no longer with us. At this point, I believe that Martello called the FBI office to give them a heads up, and he and Quigley came up with a cover story excuse for Quigley being there. De Brueys might have been Oswald's FBI handler, but I get the impression that the FBI was an anathema to Oswald. They had given him nothing but grief in his life. For a long time I thought that the CIA had handed Oswald off to the FBI when he came back from Russia, but nowadays, I'm not so sure. Nowadays, I'm more inclined to think it was military intelligence, or some kind of CIA/MI combo. To me, it seems like he appeared in Military intelligence files a whole lot more than in FBI files. Steve Thomas

Jim, I can't speak for the author of Harvey and Lee, but from what I read, it wasn't Oswald who contacted the FBI. It was Francis Martello of the New Orleans PD. In his memo, Martello wrote, ""Since he did not appear to be particularly receptive at this time, the interview was concluded and he was returned to the cell block. Prior to entering the cell block, OSWALD was again allowed to use the telephone." Again allowed to use the phone? When was the first time? And, if he wasn't calling the FBI, who did he call? http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/quigley.htm Mr. STERN. How did you come to interview Mr. Oswald? Mr. QUIGLEY. Lt. Francis L. Martello, platoon commander at the first district, New Orleans Police Station, called our office and advised that he wished an agent to stop by there since there was a prisoner who desired to speak with an agent. In his memo, Martello wrote, http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/martell1.htm ... "About 10 a.m. on Saturday, August 10, 1963, I observed a placard and handbills which had been placed into evidence against an accused person. This placard contained information concerning the Fair Play for Cuba Committee. I determined that a subject by the name of LEE HARVEY OSWALD was arrested on Friday, August 9, 1963 when he was passing out handbills on Canal Street and was carrying this placard about his person. "Prior to being assigned to the First District, I had worked with the Intelligence Unit for two years and since I was generally familiar with various groups and organizations that demonstrate or picket in the city, I decided I would question this individual to see if I could develop any information which would be of value and to ascertain if all interested parties had been...” In his intelligence work: knowing that the FBI had declared an all-out war against the FPCC at that point, I can envision Martello calling up the FBI and saying, "You might want to get an agent down here to interview this guy". Steve Thomas

Stephanie, I was very surprised when I read this. Unless Oswald was in some kind of holding cell or something, I would think the police would have confiscated his belongings if for no other reason than to prevent some other inmate from robbing him. In his memo, Martello wrote, ""I requested the doorman to bring LEE HARVEY OSWALD into the interview room." That made me smile. I pictured some kind of doorman in a swanky New York City hotel or something. In the last part of his memo, Martello wrote, ""OSWALD was then returned to the cell block." As far as the card goes, a lot of people have said over the years that Oswald used the techniques he had learned at Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall to make the card, but he had left there in April. He may have learned the techniques, but did he have the equipment to manufacture the card? I don't know. Steve Thomas

On Saturday, August 10, 1963, Lieutenant Francis Martello interviewed Lee Harvey Oswald in the station house of the First District in New Orleans, LA. This was the day after Oswald had been arrested on August 9th. When Martello testified to the WC over the two days of April 7-8, 1964, they reviewed a memorandum that Martello wrote for the Secret Service on November 29, 1963 recounting the interview he had conducted with LHO the previous August. Two things jumped out at me concerning that interview: 1) The New Orleans Police had not confiscated Oswald's wallet as the Dallas Police had; and, 2) Oswald did not have the Hidell Selective Service card on him. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/martell1.htm "When OSWALD was brought into the office, I introduced myself to him as Lieutenant FRANCIS L. MARTELLO and I was in uniform at the time. "I asked OSWALD if he had any identification papers. At this time OSWALD produced his wallet. Upon my request, he removed the papers and I examined them. He had in his wallet a number of miscellaneous papers, cards and identification items. The only ones that I felt were of any significance were the following, which I made note of: "1. Social Security Card bearing #433-54-3937 in the name of LEE HARVEY OSWALD. "2. Selective Service draft card in the name of LEE HARVEY OSWALD bearing #41-114-395-32, classification---4A. (I do not know what draft board was registered with.) "3. Card bearing name LEE HARVEY OSWALD reflecting he was a member of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee; address listed as 799 Broadway, New York 3, New York; telephone #ORegon 4-8295, headquarters for Fair Play for Cuba Committee. Card was signed by V. T. LEE, Executive Secretary; card issued 5/28/63. "4. Card for the New Orleans Chapter of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee in name of LEE HARVEY OSWALD signed by A. J. HIDELL, Chapter President, issued June 6, 1963. Either: a) this card had not been manufactured yet; or, b) Oswald was not in the habit of carrying it around with him; or, c) Was the Hidell SS card mission specific to Dallas and not to New Orleans? Was Oswald's wallet not confiscated because the New Orleans crime was less serious? Did the Dallas Police confiscate Oswald's wallet so that they could add things to it? Were the Library Card and the Hidell Selective Service cards bogus? Questions, questions, questions. Steve Thomas

https://boingboing.net/2019/04/04/the-memory-hole-2.html “What we found was that the majority of news outlets had not given any thought to even basic strategies for preserving their digital content, and not one was properly saving a holistic record of what it produces. Of the 21 news organizations in our study, 19 were not taking any protective steps at all to archive their web output. Instead, news organizations have handed over their responsibilities as public stewards to third-party organizations such as the Internet Archive, Google, Ancestry, and ProQuest, which store and distribute copies of news content on remote servers. As such, the news cycle now includes reliance on proprietary organizations with increasing control over the public record. “ “All that said, this is an excellent report, and sounds an alarm about the ability of our descendants to make sense of our age. “ So sad, Steve Thomas

I've decided to be a convivialitist. It's transformative. And fits in rather well with the Aquarian Age, I think. The best description I've seen so far is, "Personal freedom through shared interdependence." Steve Thomas

Jim, No. Carroll testified to the WC on April 3, 1964 and Westbrook testified on April 6th. Hill testified on April 8th. The WC didn't ask Carroll or Westbrook about that joint report because they didn't know anything about it. They also didn't call Carroll or Westbrook back to "clarify". I like this part of Hill's testimony: "But as far an another report, other than the original report that afternoon on the arrest of the suspect, I don't recall writing any other report after that one report that was signed by Carroll and I and Captain Westbrook is the only one I wrote on the actual arrest. Mr. BELIN. I see one 2-page report that is signed by you. Mr. HILL. Can I look at it? Mr. BELIN. You bet you can. [Handing to witness.] Mr. HILL. This was later when they wanted a report from each individual officer. Yes, sir; I did write this." (I only wrote one Report, but I also wrote this one too, but I forgetted about it and everything). That funny business extended to the Library Card too. The WC brought Jack Revill back on May 13, 1964 to "clear up a couple of things". One of those was where he got the 605 Elsbeth St. Address from. Revill told the WC that he couldn't remember, but he would find out and get back to them. Warren Commission Document# 948 is a memo from Sorrels to Inspector Kelley dated May 19, 1964. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11344#relPageId=2&tab=page In that memo, Sorrels says that Revill contacted Sorrels (it does not say how this contact was made), and said that Revill told him he got the 605 Elsbeth address orally from Bob Carroll. As the driver of the car that took Oswald from the Theater to the police station, Carroll allegedly looked back over his shoulder and read the address off a Dallas Public Library card that had been removed from Oswald's billfold by one of the officers in the back seat. Carroll allegedly said that he misread the number as 605 instead of 602. This is six days after Revilll's WC testimony, and one month after Bob Carroll told the WC that no mention of an address had been made in the car transporting Oswald to City Hall. When Carroll testified to the WC on April 3rd, he told them, "Mr. BELIN. Did he give two names? Or did someone in the car read from the identification? Mr. CARROLL. Someone in the car may have read from the identification. I know two names, the best I recall, were mentioned. Mr. BELIN. Were any addresses mentioned? Mr. CARROLL. Not that I recall; no, sir. There was some funny money being played about that ride back downtown. Steve Thomas

Jim, All of the officers who drove Oswald from the theater back downtown gathered together in the personnel office to compare notes and write up their reports on what happened. Maybe the personnel office was the only one big enough to accommodate everyone at the same time - maybe it was something else. Initially, they wrote up joint reports, but it was decided that the reports should be individually signed. These individual reports that you find in Box 2 of the DPD Archives were all dated December 2nd and 3rd - a week after the incident. http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/carroll.htm Mr. BELIN. Where did you put the initials? Mr. CARROLL. Where was I, or where did I put the initials on the pistol? Mr. BELIN. Where were you? Mr. CARROLL. I was in the personnel office of the city of Dallas police department. Mr. BELIN. With Sergeant Hill? Mr. CARROLL. Yes, and others who were present. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/walker_c.htm (C.T. Walker) Mr. BELIN. Let me ask you, did you have anything to do on November 22, or anything more to do on November 22, with either the Tippit shooting or investigation or apprehension of Oswald or the assassination of the President's investigation? Mr. WALKER. No. I stayed down in Captain Westbrook's office for a while until I got off. Mr. BELIN. Were you asked ever to make a report of any conversation you had with him? Mr. WALKER. No; they called me on the phone a couple of days after, and some supervisor asked me, there had been a rumor got out that Oswald had said, "Well, I got me a President and a cop. I should have got me two more." Or something like that. But that conversation was never said, because I was with him from the time that he was arrested until the time the detectives took him over. I made a written report on the arrest about a week after it happened, and that is the only conversation I had with anyone. Mr. BELIN. In that report you didn't put any conversation that Oswald had, did you? Mr. WALKER. No; I didn't put any conversation. I just put the details of the arrest. Mr. BELIN. Were you asked just to make a report on your arrest of Oswald? Mr. WALKER. That is normal procedure, just what we call a "Dear Chief" letter. Just describe the arrest and other officers involved, and we never did put what conversation we had. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/hill_gl.htm And we said, "Captain, we will save you a trip," or words to that effect, "Because there he sits." And with that, we relinquished our prisoner to the homicide and robbery bureau, to Captain Fritz. … they were fixing to have to make a whole bushel basket of reports--we adjourned to the personnel office, which was further down the hall from homicide and I sat down and started to try to organize the first report on the arrest. I originally had the heading on it, "Injuries sustained by suspect while effecting his arrest in connection with the murder of Officer J. D. Tippit," and a few minutes later Captain Westbrook came in the office and said that our suspect had admitted being a Communist. This is strictly hearsay. I did not hear it myself. He himself also said a few minutes later he had previously been in the Marine Corps, had a dishonorable discharge, had been to Russia, and had had some trouble with the police in New Orleans for passing out pro-Castro literature. This still is all hearsay because I didn't actually hear it firsthand myself. And at about this point Captain Westbrook suggested that I change the heading of my report to include arrest of the suspect in the assassination of the President and in the murder of Officer J. D. Tippit, which I did. I originally wrote the report for Bob Carroll's signature and for my signature, and left it with the captain to be typed while we moved over in another office to get a cup of coffee and sort of calm down and recap the events. The exact location of the officers and who was there on the original arrest and everything, and we were waiting around for the secretary to finish the report. When we got it back ready to sign, Carroll and I were sitting there, and it had Captain Westbrook's name for signature, and added a paragraph about he and the FBI agent being there, and not seeing that it made any difference, I went ahead and signed the report. Actually, they were there, but I didn't make any corrections. And as far as the report, didn't allege what they did, but had added a paragraph to our report to include the fact that he was there, and also that the FBI agent was there. Now as to why this was done, your guess is as good as mine. Mr. HILL. This was later when they wanted a report from each individual officer. Yes, sir; I did write this. Mr. BELIN. You are referring to a report dated what? Mr. HILL This would have been dated November 22, sir, and it is signed by Captain Westbrook and Bob Carroll and myself. I do not have it with me, but in case it is not in there, I have a carbon copy of it with all three signatures on it. The report that Hill speaks of that is signed by himself, Carroll, and Westbrook is not in the records. Hill's report is individually signed, and is dated December 3rd. "But as far an another report, other than the original report that afternoon on the arrest of the suspect, I don't recall writing any other report after that one report that was signed by Carroll and I and Captain Westbrook is the only one I wrote on the actual arrest. Mr. BELIN. I see one 2-page report that is signed by you. Mr. HILL. Can I look at it? Mr. BELIN. You bet you can. [Handing to witness.] Mr. HILL. This was later when they wanted a report from each individual officer. Yes, sir; I did write this." Mr. BELIN. Did you talk to Walker after he left the interrogation room? Mr. HILL. Talked to Walker after he left the interrogation room. He came into the personnel office with us, and we sat down and made sure that--we just talked over our story and made sure that we had all the details as to who was where in the arrest,... and decided, well, rather than have to get everybody back together and round them up and all six or seven people sign the one report, it was decided that Carroll and I would be the only two that signed it,... . DPD Archives Box 2, Folder# 7 Item# 4, page 2 http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm Report by Paul Bentley: Steve Thomas