Steve Thomas

I did a little more reading about this question. In 1963, it was not a federal crime to murder the President of the U.S. (that changed in 1965). It was a State crime if that murder was committed within the confines of the State in question. Typically the trial was prosecuted in the local municipality where the murder took place. In the case of JFK, that would be the local district attorney, who is a county employee - i.e. Henry Wade. Theoretically, it could have been prosecuted at the State level though, couldn't it? i.e. Waggoner Carr? Part of what I was getting at is the question of someone being tried for a murder in absentia. This seems to be more common in other parts of the world than here in the U.S. What happens when your prime suspect dies before the trial takes place? "When Can a Defendant Be Tried in Absentia? http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2003/06/when_can_a_defendant_be_tried_in_absentia.html Trials in absentia are exceedingly rare—most judges and attorneys will never be involved with one. The procedure doesn't jibe with the notion of due process, especially the constitutional right of the accused to confront witnesses. So, judges are careful to make sure that a defendant's absence is truly voluntary, rather than the result of foul play, ill health, or lack of notice, lest they create grounds for an appeal. If a defendant takes off during the pretrial phase, however, he may be able to elude an in absentia conviction. In the 1993 case Crosby v. United States, the Supreme Court ruled that federal law "prohibits the trial in absentia of a defendant who is not present at the beginning of trial." This despite the fact that Crosby, accused of mail fraud in Minnesota, appeared before a federal magistrate to enter a "not guilty" plea before escaping to Florida. As for a fugitive who has never been in custody, such as Osama Bin Laden, odds are slim to none that any U.S. court would permit his trial in absentia, regardless of the strength of the evidence." Did Lee Harvey Oswald's murder make it impossible for him to have ever been tried for the murder of JFK? Steve Thomas

Ty, In the 1950's, a number of cities around the country established "Special Service Bureaus" in their police departments. They were also called "Red Squads". I think the first one was created in New York City, but I'm not positive about that. One of their ancillary duties was to provide additional security for visiting dignitaries. You can see that happening in Dallas. Members of the Dallas Special Service Bureau were found in the pilot car of the motorcade (Officer's Senkel and Turner) and at the Trade Mart. The Captain of that Bureau was W.P. Gannaway. There were also Detectives of the Bureau stationed at intervals along Main St. Gannaway headed the Special Service Bureau security detail at the Trade Mart. He had delegated the assignments along Main St. to Lieutenant Kaminsky. You can find Gannaway's report to Chief Curry in the DPD Archives in Box 15, Folder# 4, Item# 6; and Kaminsky's report in Box 15, Folder# 4, Item# 7. http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box15.htm When Purdue Lawrence was questioned by the WC, he said: Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, did you receive another set of instructions or orders after that? Captain LAWRENCE. Yes; on the evening of November 21, this was the first time that I had attended any security meeting at all in regards to this motorcade. At approximately 5 p.m. I was told to report to the conference room on the third floor, and when I arrived at the conference room the deputy chiefs were in there, there were members of the Secret Service--Mr. Sorrels, Captain Gannaway, Captain Souter of radio patrol, and Capt. Glen King, deputy chiefs, assistant chiefs, and Chief Curry, and one gentleman, who I assume was in charge of the security for the Secret Service. This was the first time I had attended any conferences in regard to the security of this escort, and I listened in on most of the discussion and I heard one of the Secret Service men say that President Kennedy did not desire any motorcycle officer directly on each side of him, between him and the crowd, but he would want the officers to the rear. Mr. GRIFFIN. Was anything said in that meeting about any special precautions that should be taken in connection with protecting the President? Captain LAWRENCE. Yes; there was some discussion that centered more around the security down at the Trade Mart than any other place and Captain Gannaway was in charge of the security in that area, and then Chief Stevenson, I believe, was there, and they mentioned that they would have detectives stationed along the route--along the motorcade route, especially in the downtown area. Mr. GRIFFIN. And what were they to be looking for? Captain LAWRENCE. They were taking care of security, all right, but they did not go into any discussion in my presence. I assume that this had all been, discussed earlier, in fact, when I was called up there, these people were already meeting. “I assume that some instructions have been given to some members of the CID, the criminal investigation division, and to the men from the special service bureau, and the men specifically assigned to security duties instead of traffic duties. It would be my assumption that this was a part of the assignments given.” Steve Thomas

Since there's no statute of limitations on murder, and since there was no murder trial per se, do you think the murder of JFK is still an open cold case file with the Texas Attorney General's Office? Any practicing attorneys have a thought? Steve Thomas

Ty, No. Deputy Chief, R. H. Lunday was the Head of the Traffic Division. He was assigned the duty of making sure the parade route was secure from obstacles, such as cross street traffic, etc. He delegated this responsibility to Lieutenant Purdue Lawrence. Lawrence submitted a report to Curry on November 21st detailing the plans and personnel assignments for the visit and the parade. They included the officers who would be stationed at the Elm and Houston St. intersection. You can read his report and plans here: https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh20/html/WH_Vol20_0255a.htm Steve Thomas

David, Thank you for your reply. I agree that this combined report is a study in CYA. My personal belief is that this should never have been allowed to take place. Each officer involved should have been required to submit an individual report. Unfortunately, with respect to the Dallas Police Department, you see this happening with distressing regularity, e.g. the combined Turner/Senkel report. The combined Batchelor/Stevenson report is dated November 30th, and was produced, I believe, by the internal investigation launched by Chief Curry on November 29th - coincidentally, the same day that Johnson formed the Warren Commission. Curry's internal investigation was initially launched to find out how Ruby got into the basement to shoot Oswald on the 24th, but soon branched out into other areas, such as the shooting of J.D. Tippit, and reports that Oswald and Ruby knew each other, etc. The investigation was headed by Captain O.A. Jones. The copy of the 35 page Batchelor/Stevenson report in the DPD Archives is much clearer than the Stevenson Exhibit 5053 that you find in 21H of the WC Hearings and Exhibits. See the HSCA testimony of Jack Revill and Paul McCaghren. Paul McCachren's testimony is very interesting when he talks about a locked filing cabinet containing materials such as the dictabelt recordings of the DPD radio transmissions, and how he took all that material home with him. I corresponded with McCachren for a while. He was, shall I say, rather gruff. He wouldn't give me a copy of the investigative team's files until I made a $100 donation to the Dallas Police Association, which I did. The materials in the files comprise much of what you find in CD 81. When McCachren talks about the investigation coming to an abrupt halt after about a month and a half, this is when I believe the DPD gathered up all their stuff and sent it to the Texas AG's office on January 7th. TESTIMONY OF JACK REVILL, CAPTAIN OF POLICE, DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/jfkinfo2/jfk4/hscarevl.htm Captain REVILL. If I recall correctly, I believe there has been previous testimony from those particular officers. Sir, if I might explain something here or elaborate. As counsel said, I was assigned, by Chief Curry to an investigative team to determine how Ruby gained access to the basement of the city hall, to determine if there was any complicity on the part of any officers as to their involvement, and if I may elaborate on the findings or this particular group, I would be happy to do so at this time. Mr. SAWYER. Proceed. Captain REVILL. This particular committee was comprised of Inspector Herbert Sawyer, Captain Westbrook, Capt. O.A. Jones, myself, a Lt. Paul McCaghren, Lt. Frank Cornwall, Lt. Cecil Wallace, and initially a detective, one of my subordinates in the intelligence unit, H.M. Hart, and as I said, it was our function to investigate the shooting of Mr. Oswald by Mr. Ruby. TESTIMONY OF PAUL McCAGHREN, PAUL McCAGHREN ASSOCIATES, DALLAS, TEX. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/jfkinfo/mccaghr.htm Mr. CORNWELL. And it was sort of a small special group that was working on that investigation, is that correct? Mr. McCAGHERN. Yes, it was. Mr. CORNWELL. In addition to the question of Jack Ruby's entry into the basement, were there other issues that that group worked on? Mr. McCAGHERN. Several, yes. Mr. CORNWELL. One of them perhaps being the shooting of Officer Tippit? Mr. McCAGHERN. Yes, it was. Mr. CORNWELL. At the termination of the investigation, do you know what was done with the evidence? Mr. McCAGHERN. All the material in our possession was turned over to Chief Curry, who was the chief of police at that time. Mr. CORNWELL. Would you just basically tell us what types of evidence would have been contained in the package at that point? Mr. McCAGHERN. These reports were not in-depth investigations. We were trying to field the hundreds of calls that were coming into the police department at that time. It was a cursory type of investigation. It was called to an abrupt halt after about a month and a half. All of our reports were submitted to Chief Curry at that time. Steve Thomas

Paul, I don't have Bradstetter's autobiogaphy. Can you give me the specific language he used vis a vis Rose and the 488th? Did Rose assign him to the 488th, or suggest that he join? Do you think the 488th Detachment was part of one of those 36 "Internal Security Battalions"? Here is a good beginning site on Matlack. It says she rose to become the Special Assistant to the Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence. quote: " In 1962, Mrs. Matlack initiated joint agency efforts which resulted in the refugee debriefings that first located Soviet missiles in Cuba." https://www.army.mil/article/97889/this_week_in_history_dorothe_k_matlack_a_pioneer_and_champion_of_army_humint Steve Thomas

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Whatever the Secret Service had to say about the choice of routes should be balanced against what Ass't Chief Batchelor had to say in his after-action report. See the DPD Archives Box 14, Folder# 4, Item# 10 page 3. http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box14.htm As late as 3:00 PM on the 15th, three possible routes were still being discussed. All three of the possibilities, as outlined by Batchelor, stopped at Main. As for the last possibility, Batchelor adds parenthetically "(Ultimately, this was the route that was announced)." He does not say when this route was actually chosen. At 10:00 AM on the 18th, the police and Secret Service drove the route that had been selected. Deputy Chief R.H. Lunday drove the car. (see p. 4) Lunday did not submit an after-action report, nor did he testify to the WC. Steve Thomas

Michael, Perhaps that's a note written by somebody after the fact, in either 1994 when it was de-classified, or 1975 (when it was turned over to the Church Committee?), wondering if LHO stayed in in the same hotel in Helsinki back in '59. Here's another cable from November 27, 1963 referencing checking hotel registers in tracing Oswald. I'm not sure where this cable originated - it looks like Madrid (which would be interesting in its own right), but it appears to refer to another cable numbered 85133 which asks for traces on a Harvey Lee Oswald. https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/104-10418-10332.pdf I'd like to see that cable 85133. Steve Thomas Steve Thomas

David, No, I don't think I ever got one. Steve Thomas

David, I also asked about Silverthorne in this thread: A Very Long Road http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/12018-a-very-long-road/?tab=comments#comment-134111 Steve Thomas

And yet, I remain optimistic. Speaking as as old white man, I think the days of the old white men are numbered. It may take 20 years, but I look at the million women march (I don't know exactly what to call it, but I look at the sea of pink hats), and the kids marching on Washington to change our gun laws - kids mind you. God help us if they ever get together - or rather... please God help us. Steve Thomas

I woudn't forget the role of Jack Puterbaugh. http://www.startribune.com/obituary-jack-puterbaugh-dfl-stalwart-and-advance-man-for-jfk-s-final-trip/297901471/ “In 1961, Jack Puterbaugh joined Freeman in Washington. The former Minnesota governor had been appointed secretary of agriculture by the new president. In October 1963, Puterbaugh advanced Kennedy’s trip to Duluth, where the president was the main speaker at a conference sponsored by the USDA. (U.S. Department of Agriculture) The next month, he was sent to Texas to help find the best place for the Nov. 22 luncheon — the Trade Mart or a building on the State Fairgrounds. Along with a Secret Service agent, Puterbaugh drove both routes from Love Field, where Air Force One was going to land.... On that fateful Friday, Puterbaugh was in the pilot car — a Dallas police car — five or six blocks ahead of the presidential limousine." Steve Thomas

FBI - HSCA Subject File: Lydia Dymitruk (page 9 in the file, page 7 of the Report) https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=129757&search=Alexander_Kleinlerer#relPageId=9&tab=page On December 3, 1968 the FBI interviewed a George Bloodworth, who was a Warrant Officer Candidate in the U.S. Army Helicopter School in Mineral Wells, Texas. He met George Bouhe in the apartment of Alexander Kleinlerer. Bloodworth had formerly been in the Marines and had been stationed at the U.S. Embassy in Tunisia. He was very security conscious. Kleinlerer left the apartment to buy some food at a delicatessen, and Bloodworth and Bouhe got to talking. While they were talking, Bloodworth got the impression that Bouhe was “one of us”, meaning an Army Intelligence Agent. I was looking around for something else and stumbled on this. A couple of things: 1) Please excuse the gibberish. This is the OCR ASCII text rendering. I tried to clean it up, but got tired. 2) I have read before that Lydia Dymitruk was suspected by some as being a Soviet Agent. See how closely her biography parallels Marina Oswald's. 3) Is George Bouhe a double agent or was he just testing Bloodworth? Is there another reason that Bouhe and Max Clark took the Oswalds under their wings? 4) The concern Bouhe expresses over the radio. I got the feeling that Oswald was very protective of a radio when he moved into Mary Bledsoe's house. Was it the same kind of radio? 5) George Bouhe knew that Oswald had moved into the house on Elsbeth as early as November, 1962. James Hosty said he didn't learn of that fact until March, 1963. Bouhe is way out ahead of Hosty. https://archive.org/stream/JFKNovember32017Release/docid-32263534_djvu.txt HSCA 180-10110-10129 SECURITY CLASSIFIED FILES JFK-163 ORIGINATOR: DOD FROM: TO: TITLE: Document Information Released under the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992 (44 USC 2107 Note). Case#:NW 54756 Date: 10-31-2017 _ AGENT REPORT For use of this form, see FM 30-17(C); AR 381-130; the proponent agency is the Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence. 1. NAME..OF SU&IEST OR TITLE OF INCIDENT 1 SAEDA (U) I Munich, FRG 2. DATE SUBMITTED: 12 February 1977 3. CONTROL SYMBOL OS FILE NUMBER: 28 Sep 76 4. REPORT OF FINDINGS C) Between August and October 1968, Source (George Bloodworth), was a flight student at the US Army Flight Center (USAFC), Fort Wolters, Texas. On one occasion during this period (nfi), Source and his wife, Vivianne, visited a casual acquaintance at this individual’s apartment in Dallas, Texas, address not remembered. Source initially met this individual at a Jewish seminar held at Fort Wolters and was subsequently invited to visit him at his apartment in Dallas. Bloodworth commented that although he knew that this individual was French he could not remember any further identifying data concerning him at this time. During the cited visit. Source and his wife accompanied the Frenchman to another apartment, address unknown, of an unidentified elderly Russian couple (nfi) and introduced them. Later in the evening, the Frenchman and Source's wife left the apartment to purchase some items at a local delicatessen (nfi), leaving Source alone with the Russian couple. The Russian male prepared Source two cocktails mixed from a powder which Source was told was Tom Collins mix. Source felt no effect from the first drink; however, shortly after consuming the second, he became semi-conscious and mentally confused as though he had been drugged. He recalled that during this time the Russian couple asked him several questions concerning the performance capabilities of US Army tactical aircraft. Source does not recall the specific questions and in his confused state could not recall his responses. When Bloodworth's wife and the Frenchman returned from the delicatessen. Source insisted that they leave immediately. Because of his physical and mental condition, Source's wife was forced to drive from Dallas to Fort Wolters. The following morning Source related the incident to US Army Intelligence (USAI) officials at Fort Wolters. Approximately one week after reporting the incident to USAI, Source was questioned by an unidentified special agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and once again provided the details of the incident at the Russian couple's apartment. Several days later. Source was again contacted by the special agent, who assured Source that he had nothing to worry about because the individuals were already under investigation by the FBI. The agent mentioned that the Russian couple was known to be acquainted with the wife of Lee Harvey Oswald, the accused assassin of former President John F. Kennedy. Source felt that this incident and Tismer's request for a photograph of him when he was younger may have been related. AGENT REPORT ^For use of this form, see FM 30- 17{C); A R 381-130; the proponent agency is the Offi ce of the A s si s tan t Ch i ef of Staff for Inteligence. 1 ~NAME OF SUBJECT OR TITLE Of INCIDENT: SAEDA (U) Munich FRG 2. DATE SUBMITTED: 2 May 1977 3 CONTROL SYMBOL or file number: 23 Sep’.76 4. REPORT OF FINDINGS On 2 May 1977, a Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) report, dated 31 December 1968, was reviewed concerning an incident involving SSG George C. Bloodworth, a former member of Headquarters, 66th Military Intelligence Group (MIG), McGraw Kaseme (Barracks), Munich (PU9135), Federal Republic of Germany (FRG), APO New York 09108, which occurred in October 1968 while he was assigned V to Fort Wolters, Texas. The review of the FBI report revealed substantially the following pertinent Information: ... On 3 December 1968, George C. Bloodworth and his wife, Vivians Astrid Bloodworth, nee: Hayoun, who resided at 516 Southwest 17th Street, Mineral Wells, Texas, were interviewed by a Special Agent of the FBI. Bloodworth, then a Warrant Officer Candidate, was assigned to the 10th Warrant Officer Candidate Company, US Army Primary Helicopter School, Fort Wolters. Bloodworth stated that on 5 October 1963, he and his wife met Alexander Kleinlerer at an unidentified Jewish Synagogue in Fort Worth. Bloodworth and his wife accompanied Kleinlerer to his apartment located at 3542 Kent Street, Fort Worth to give Kleinlerer various unidentified articles, which he was to deliver to Mrs. Bloodworth's mother who resided in Paris (nca), France, while on a business trip (nfi). I (S) Upon their arrival at Kleinlerer's residence, Bloodworth and his wife met George Bouhe and Lydia Dymitruk. Bouhe allegedly resided in Dallas, Texas and Dymitruk resided in the apartment next door to Kleinlerer's apartment. Later that evening, as Bloodworth and his wife were preparing to depart Kleinlerer's apartment, Kleinlerer told Mrs. Bloodworth that a good delicatessen was located near his apartment and Mrs. Bloodworth would be able to purchase food items which she would not ordinarily be able to find In "this country". At Kleinlerer's suggestion, he and Mrs. Bloodworth went to the delicatessen to purchase some of the food prior to Mrs. Bloodworth and her husband's return to Fort Wolters. George Bloodworth, who was having a drink, remained at the apartment with Bouhe and Dymitruk. (S) Bloodworth became engaged in general conversation with Bouhe and Dymitruk Bouhe asked Bloodworth about his duty in the Republic of Vietnam. Bouhe further asked Bloodworth his opinion concerning the U.S. commitment to Vietnam. During the conversation with Bouhe, Bloodworth stated that he had served in Vietnam as a "gunner" on helicopters. Bouhe then asked Bloodworth questions concerning the types of helicopters used by the US and the armament capabilities of these helicopters. Bloodworth initially thought Bouhe might have been an Army Intelli¬ gence Officer, and was testing Bloodworth's security consciousness, and therefore Bloodworth was very careful in answering Bouhe’s questions. However, Bloodworth also believed that Bouhe was possibly a foreign intelligence officer, although Bouhe gave Bloodworth no indication of this, either by action or word. Only Bouhe asked Bloodworth questions. During lulls in the conversation, Bouhe and Dymitruk conversed in the Russian language. (S) Kleinlerer and Mrs. Bloodworth returned to the apartment approximately 30 minutes after they had departed. Upon their return to the apartment, the conversation drifted off to normal conversation. Bouhe observed a radio in the apartment and asked Dymitruk why Kleinlerer had to purchase a new radio when the one that he had given Kleinlerer would receive Moscow. Because of the conversa¬ tion, Bloodworth became suspicious of Bouhe, and as such felt that the conversa¬ tion should be reported. Bloodworth believed that the answers to the questions asked by Bouhe could have been obtained through the news media and aviation magazines, and may have been used as a lead-in for later questions. Bloodworth and his wife were invited to visit Bouhe in Dallas, but had not done so at the time of their interview by the FBI. (S) Based on information provided by Bloodworth, the FBI conducted investi¬ gations concerning Dymitruk, Bouhe and Kleinlerer. The results of the FBI investigation are summarized below: (S) A coded government agency which conducted security type investigations revealed to the FBI that Lydia Dymitruk was born on33 April .1926 in Rostov USSR. In approximately 1942, she was deported by the Germans to a work camp in Germany. When the war ended, she entered a camp for displaced persons in Duesseldorf, Germany, where she met and married Karel Lodwi.jk Verhelst, Belgian citizen ^nfi). On an unknown date, she entered Belgium with her husband nd resided In Antwerp (nca), Belgium. She was alleged to be a member of the Union of Soviet Patriots in Belgium from 1948 to 1952. In 1952, while still married to Verhelst, she began living with Vasiliy Gavrilovich, also known as Pavel Kostenko, in Brussels (nca), Belgium. She was divorced by Verhelst in November 1953, and continued living with Gavrilovich until late 1954 or 1955. Gavrilovich was allegedly born on 5 September 1922 In Tula (nca), USSR. He served n the Soviet Army in World War II prior to joining the "Vlassov Forces" in fighting on the side of the Germans against the Soviets. After the war, he lived in Germany and Belgium and was active in several anti-communist Russian emigre organizations including the National Labor Alliance (NTS). In 1955, Gavrilovich " was identified as a Soviet agent in clandestine contact with the Soviet Embassy in Brussels. In February 1957, he was expelled from the NTS and left Brussels for Moscow (nca) on 20 August 1957. Prior to leaving Belgium for the USSR, Gavrilovich reportedly revealed that he had worked for Soviet intelligence since 1942 and that he was trained in the Soviet Union for intelligence work and dispatched to the West as a Soviet agent (nfi). In a radio broadcast from East Berlin (UU9220), on 17 September 1957, sponsored by the Soviet Committee for Return to the Homeland, Gavrilovich bitterly attacked Russian emigre organizations in the West. (S) On 27 June 1956, in Ixelles, a suburb of Brussels, Lydia Dymitruk married Pavel Dymitruk, who was born on 28 February 1924 in Stariye-Dorohl (nca), USSR. On an unknown date, possibly prior to his marriage to Lydia, Pavel Dymitruk immigrated to the US. It was reported that in July 1957, he returned to Belgium to attempt to expedite a visa for Lydia to join him in the US. (S) A coded government agency which conducted security type investigations, revealed to the FBI that Lydia Dymitruk, nee: Berdjanskaja, was married to Pavel Dymitruk on 13 July 1956. Pavel Dymitruk was born on 28 February 1924 in the USSR. Lydia Dymitruk was formerly married to Karel L. Verelst and that marriage was terminated by divorce on 10 June 1953. From April 1952 until October or November 1955, Lydia Dymitruk lived with "Vasiliy Kostenko". Kostenko was a known Soviet agent. (S) The Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS), Dallas, Texas, advised the FBI that their records reflect that on 3 December 1958, Lydia Dymitruk I submitted an application to enter the US. Dymitruk gave her address as 56 Rue 1 Americane, Ixelles, Belgium. The INS file further reflected that Visa Petition I Number 825385 pertaining to Lydia Dymitruk had been approved by the INS, Detroit, I Michigan on 7 January 1957. The petition was made by her husband. Lydia Dymitruk had a Belgium passport number C033463/6572, issued on 28 September 1956. On 29 January 1959, she was granted Immigration Visa Number 1044 under the USSR quota by the US Consulate in Antwerp, Belgium. Lydia Dymitruk entered the US on 4 March 1 1959 at New York City, New York. . ; • (S'). The Domestic Relations Court, Dallas County, Texas, advised the FBI that on 15 December 1960, Lydia Berdjanskaja Dymitruk filed a divorce suit against Paul (Pavel) Dymitruk. The divorce petition reflected that they were married on 27 June 1956 in Brussels, Belgium. The petition further reflected that they had resided in Dallas for more than one year and had separated on 13 December 1960. There were no children as a result of this marriage. On 12 May 1961, Judge Beth Wright of the Domestic Relations Court, Dallas County, Texas, granted the divorce. .. 5. TYPED NAME AND ORGANIZATION OF SPECIAL AGENT DAVID R. HORN, 66th MI Group Page 3 of 4 Pages 6. ^SIGNATURE Of.SPEClAL AGENT AGENT REPORT 1 , l4 Tor 1 use. 5 f this form, see FM 30-17(G); AR 381-130; the proponent agency is the Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence 1 NAME OF SUBJECT OR TITLE OF INCIDENT: SAEDA (U) Munich, FRG 2 DATE SUBMITTED: 28 Sep 76 4. REPORT OF FINDINGS The INS, Dallas, Texas advised the FBI that George Alexandrovich Bouhe was born on 24 February 1904 at St. Petersburg (nca), Russia. He became a naturalized citizen of the US on 30 September 1935 at Mew York. Bouhe was interviewed by agents of the FBI during the investigation into the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, concerning his knowledge of Lee Harvey Oswald and Marina Oswald. Bouhe willingly admitted his acquaintance with the Oswalds. (S) Alexander Kleinlerer was interviewed by an agent of the FBI on 3 December 1963 at Fort Worth, Texas. Kleinlerer advised that his address was 3542 Kent Street, Fort Worth, Texas, arid that he was employed as a foreign representative of Loma Industries, Inc., Fort Worth. Kleinlerer met the Oswalds through an unidentified friend in 1962. Kleinlerer further advised that he had not seen the Oswalds after November 1963. Kleinlerer stated that he was a native of France and came to the US on 7 May 1956, and that he was now a naturalized citizen. (C) AGENT'S NOTES: Reference Agent Report dated 1 October 1976, subject as above, prepared by S/AHHorn, 66th MI Group, wherein it was. reflected that SFC James E. White reported a SAEDA incident in which Helga Tismer, a German citizen, was the principal. Reference Agent Report dated 10 February 1977, subject as above, prepared by S/A Benner, 66th MI Group,, wherein it was reported that SSG George C. Bloodworth had been initially interviewed concerning his knowledge of Helga Tismer. Reference Agent Report dated 12 February 1977, subject as above, prepared by S/A Benner, 66th MI Group, wherein it was reported that during an interview of George C. Bloodworth, he indicated that he., had been involved in a possible SAEDA incident which he reported to US Army Intelligence and about which he had been interviewed by an unidentified special agent of. the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Reference Agent Report dated 23 March ,1977, subject as above, prepared by S/A Horn, 66th MI Group, wherein the results of a review of the US Army Investigative Records Repository Dossier pertaining to George C. Bloodworth were reported. ... Page 4 of 4 Pages 5. TYPED NAME AND ORGANIZATION OF SPECIAL AGENT DAVID R. HORN, 66th MI Group CONFIDENTIAL AGENT REPORT For use of this form, see FM 30- 17(C); AR 381-130; the proponent agency is the Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence I. NAME OF SUBJECT OR TITLE OP INCIDENT: SAEDA (U) Munich FRG 2. DATE SUBMITTED: 23 March 1977 3 * CONTROL SYMBOL OR File number: 28 Sep’76 4. REPORT OF FINDINGS On 23 March 1977, the US Army Investigative Records Repository Dossier Number AC657474, was examined and revealed the following pertinent information concerning George C. Bloodworth, formerly a SSG assigned to Headquarters, 66th Military Intelligence Group (MIG), McGraw Kaserne (Barracks), Munich (PU9135), Federal Republic of Germany (FRG), APO New York 09108: (C) On 8 October 1968 Bloodworth, then a Warrant Officer Candidate (WOC) (E-5), assigned to the 10th Warrant Officer Candidate Company, US Army Primary Helicopter Center/School, Fort Wolters, Texas, was interviewed by a Special , Agent of the 112th MIG, Fort Wolters, concerning an incident of possible intelli¬ gence interest which occurred on 5 October 1968 in Fort Worth, Texas. Bloodworth was married to the former Viviane Astrid Hayoun, whose mother, a terminal cancer patient, was residing in Paris (nca), France. Bloodworth's wife had visited her mother on two occasions, once in December 1966 and again in May 1967. (C) On 2 October 1968 Bloodworth and his wife attended services at a Jewish Synagogue near Harris Memorial Hospital in Fort Worth, where they met Alexander Kleinlerer, a Frenchman. The Bloodworths were introduced to Kleinlerer by an unidentified man in the congregation who was described by Bloodworth as having a large beard which covered most of his face, 35 years of age, approximately 70 inches in height, 180 pounds, and very friendly toward everyone at the congrega¬ tion. The unidentified man seemed to know almost everyone in the congregation. Bloodworth could provide no further information concerning this individual. Kleinlerer was immediately attracted to Bloodworth and his wife when he learned that Mrs. Bloodworth's mother resided in Paris. Kleinlerer, who stated that he made frequent trips to Paris, and was planning to visit Paris during the week of 14 October 1968, stated that he would try to visit Mrs. Bloodworth's mother. At Mrs. Bloodworth's request, Kleinlerer agreed to deliver a few articles to Mrs. Bloodworth's mother. The articles consisted of clothing and a small souvenir type camera. Kleinlerer told Bloodworth and his wife to bring the articles to his apartment on 5 October 1968. Bloodworth believed Kleinlerer's address to be 3052 Kent Street, Fort Worth. (C) Upon the Bloodworth's arrival at Kleinlerer's apartment on 5 October 1968, they were introduced to George Bouhe and Lydia LNU. Bouhe stated that he was a resident of Dallas, Texas. Lydia LNU stated that she was a friend of Kleinlerer and resided next door to him. Bloodworth, his wife, Kleinlerer, Bouhe and Lydia had a casual conversation which lasted approximately two hours. CLASSIFIED BY: Para-4b. AR SSI-12, 180ct74 EXEMPT FF.Cv.5 GL: ;i';AL DECLASSIFICATION SCHEDULE C C : LCLTIVE C.'iOER 11652 EXEMPTION CATEGORY X DECLASSIFY UPON NOTIFICATION OF ACS1, DA (continued) 5. TYPED NAME AND ORGANIZATION OF SPECIAL AGENT DAVID R. HORN, 66th MI Group 6.. SIGNATURE Of/SPECIAL AGENT CONFIDENTIAL AGENT REPORT For use of this form, see F M 30-f7(C); AR 381-130; the proponent agency is the Office of the Assistant Chief of Stoff for Intelligence. 1 NAME Of SUEJECT OR FILE OF INCIDENT: SAEDA (U) Munich, FRG 28 Sep 76 2 DATE SUBMITTED: 23 March 1977 4 REPORT OP FINDINGS Kleinlerer and Mrs. Bloodworth then went to a delicatessen to purchase some items, and were absent from the apartment approximately 45 minutes. During this time Bouhe and Lydia asked Bloodworth numerous questions concerning the types of helicopters in use by the US and about the armament capabilities of these helicopters. During the questioning, Bouhe and Lydia also engaged in conversations between themselves in a language other than English. In response to Bloodworth's questions, they informed him that they were speaking in the Russian language. Bouhe asked Bloodworth what he thought about the Vietnam War and how long he thought it would take before the war ended. Bloodworth thought it strange that two civilians would be asking questions about helicopter armament and only answered their questions when he knew the information was unclassified and could be read in any aviation magazine or newspaper. Bloodworth was not questioned about his background. Bloodworth overheard Bouhe and Lydia talking about two radios that were located in the apartment. Lydia stated that Kleinlerer had bought another radio and Bouhe immediately asked why, because he (Bouhe) had given Kleinlerer a radio that would receive "Moscow." Bloodworth noticed two radios located on a table in the rear of Kleinlerer’s apartment, however could provide no positive identifying data on the radios because they were encased. When Kleinlerer and Mrs. Bloodworth returned to the apartment, Bouhe stated that he knew some French and Tunisian people residing in Dallas whom he would like Bloodworth and his wife to meet. Bouhe wrote his name and the phone number TA1-3244 on a piece of paper and gave it to Bloodworth, stating that Bloodworth and his wife should visit him in Dallas. Bloodworth provided the following description of Kleinlerer and Lydia LNU: a. Name: Alexander Kleinlerer Weight: 150 pounds 40 to 45 years Height: 67 inches Facial Features: Large moustache Miscellaneous: Fort Worth, Texas resident for past 12 years; French descent, currently US citizen; employed by Loma Industries, Fort Worth, Texas a. Name: Lydia LNU b. Age: Approximately 40 years c. Hair: Brown, shoulder length Page 2 of 7 Pages 5. TYPED NAME AND ORGANIZATION OF SPECIAL AGENT 6 SIGNATU86 Of SPECIAL AGENT: DAVID R. HORN, 66th MI Group CONFIDENTAL AGENT REPORT For use of this form, see FM 30-17(C); AR 331-130; the proponent agency is the Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence. I. NAME OF SUBJECT OR TITLE OF INCIDENT I SAFDA (U) Munich, FRG 2. DATE SUBMITTED: 23 March 1977 3. CONTROL SYMBOL OR FILE NUMBER 28 Sep 76 4. REPOST OF FINDINGS Lydia Dymitruk d. Weight: 130 pounds e. Height: 65 inches Miscellaneous: Speaks with slight German and Russian accent; very fluent in English language; lives in apartment next door to Kleinlerer; unmarried; Russian descent, non-US citizen; entered US on Belgian passport; Greek Orthodox religion. (C) On 8 October 1968 the records of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Dallas Mercantile Building, Dallas, Texas, were examined and revealed the following information concerning George Alexandrovich Bouhe: (C) Bouhe first came to the attention of the FBI in 1953, when he was reported to the FBI as a foreigner who sent packages to Europe and made frequent trips to Europe. Bouhe's file contained no information concerning a follow-up of this report. Shortly thereafter, the FBI received an inquiry from the Immi¬ gration and Naturalization Service (INS), to determine if Bouhe was in any way connected with subversive elements. The results of the INS investigation were not indicated. The INS inquiry indicated that Bouhe was born on 24 February 1904 in St. Petersburg (nca), Russia, and was naturalized as a US citizen in New York on 30 September 1935. Bouhe was employed in March 1952 by the American Liberty Oil Company, Dallas, Texas. (C) Bouhe next came to the attention of the FBI during the investigation of the assassination of former President John F. Kennedy. In November 1963 Bouhe was interviewed by the FBI concerning his alleged contact with Lee Harvey and Marina Oswald. Bouhe stated that he had read of Oswald's return from the Soviet Union in 1962, in a Fort Worth newspaper, and expressed an interest in meeting Marina Oswald because she might have been from his area of Russia. A man named Gregory, not further identified (nfi), had invited Bouhe to a dinner for Oswald, where Bouhe became acquainted with the Oswalds. Bouhe later visited the Oswald's apartment and found that they were almost destitute. Bouhe pro¬ vided the Oswalds with groceries, baby clothes and a baby crib. Bouhe did not see Oswald after December 1962. Bouhe's name appeared many times in the files of the Oswald case because he was an acquaintance of Marina and Lee Harvey Oswald and because of his having been born in Russia. The FBI interviewed Bouhe in late 1963 to determine the reason for his recent trip to Mexico. He explained the trip as a vacation to the satisfaction of the FBI. Page 3 of 7 Pages 5. TYPED NAME AND ORGANIZATION OF SPECIAL AGENT DAVID R. HORN, 66th MI Group 6./SIGNATURE Of SPECIAL AGENT CONFIDENTIAL AGENT REPORT j. ,-p or use c f t kj s f orm see FM 30-17(C); AR 381-130; the proponent agency is the Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence. 1 NAME Or SUBJECT OR TITLE Of INCIDENT SAEDA (U) Munich, FRG 28 Sep 76 2. DATE: March 1 1977 3. CONTROL SYMBOL OR FILE NUMBER 4. REPOST OF FINDINGS (C) On 9 October 1968, Bloodworth was re-interviewed for the purpose of clarifying and expanding the information he provided during an interview conducted on 8 October 1968. Bloodworth provided substantially the following information: (C) Bloodworth was assigned to Fort Wolters on 3 August 1968 and resided with his wife and two children at 416 S. W. 17th Street, Mineral Wells, Texas. Mrs. Bloodworth's mother, a terminal cancer patient, resided in Paris, France. In December 1966 and May 1967, Mrs. Bloodworth traveled to Paris to visit her mother. This travel was accomplished on a space available basis via Military Airlift Transport planes on orders published by United States Marine Corps, Paris Island, South Carolina. (C) At the time Bloodworth met Kleinlerer, Bloodworth was attired in his US Army uniform as WOCs were not authorized to wear civilian clothing while in training. During the conversation which Bloodworth had with Bouhe and Lydia LNU on 5 October 1968, Bouhe asked Bloodworth numerous questions. The conversation centered upon Bloodworth's recent tour of duty in the Republic of Vietnam (RVN). When Bloodworth stated that he had worked with helicopters in RVN, Bouhe began asking questions about the armament, guns, rockets, guided missiles and mini guns, carried by helicopters. To the questions on rockets, guided missiles and mini guns, Bloodworth replied that he knew nothing about this equipment. Bloodworth did, however, answer questions concerning the machine guns used on helicopters, which was public knowledge and appeared in various publications. (C) Bloodworth learned from his wife that Kleinlerer did a great deal of traveling for Loma Industries, Fort Worth, where he was employed as a research engineer. Kleinlerer had told Mrs. Bloodworth that he did not particularly want to make his upcoming trip to France, and appeared to be worried about something,. Kleinlerer further told Mrs. Bloodworth that he had two passports, one for the USA and one for France, and that while in France, he traveled under a different name (nfi). (U) On 9 October 1968 a check of the 1967 edition of the Coles Criss Cross Directory, Fort Worth, Texas, revealed that Alexander Kleinlerer resided at 3542 1/2 Kent Street, Fort Worth. This check also reflected that Lydia Dymitruk resided at 3542 Kent Street, Fort Worth. (U) On 9 October 1968 a check of the 1967 edition of Polk's City Directory, Fort Worth, Texas, revealed no record of Alexander Kleinlerer. This check re¬ vealed that Lydia Dymitruk was employed as a clerk for Neiman-Marcus Company. Page 4 of 7 Pages 5. TYRED NAME AND ORGANIZATION OF SPECIAL AGENT DAVID R. HORN, 66th MI Group AGENT REPORT For use of this form, see FM 30-17(C); AR 381-130; the proponent ogency is the Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence. 1. NAME OF SUBJECT OR TITLE OF INCIDENT SAEDA (U) Munich, F.RG 2. DATE SUBMITTED: 23 March 1977 3. CONTROL SYMBOL OR FILE NUMBER 8 28 Sep 76 4. REPORT OF FINDINGS (U) On 9 October 1968 the records of the Intelligence Division, Fort Worth Police Department, Fort Worth, Texas, were examined and revealed no information pertaining to Alexander Kleinlerer or Lydia Dymitruk.- (C) On 9 October 1968 the records of the FBI, Dallas, Texas, were examined and revealed the following information concerning Lydia Dymitruk: (C) Dymitruk was born Lydia Berdjanskaja on 3 April 1926 in Rostov (nca), Russia. In approximately 1942, she was captured by the German Army and sent to Germany to work. In a Displaced Persons Center, she met a Belgian man (nfi) whom she married and with whom she went to Belgium. From 1948 to 1952 she was a member of an organization known as the Union of Soviet Patriots. In Brussels, Belgium, she began living with another man, not her husband, and was fined for adultery and divorced. In 1954 or 1955 she married Pavel Dymitruk, DPOB: 28 February 1924, at an unknown location in Russia. On 3 December 1958 she applied for entry to the United States. She was admitted to the United States on an unknown date between 1958 and 12 May 1961. On 12 May 1961 she was divorced from Pavel Dymitruk in the Domestic Relations Court of Judge Beth Wright, Dallas, Texas. As of 1964, Pavel Dymitruk resided at 3784 Legendary Lane, Apartment 123, Dallas, Texas, at which time he was interviewed by the FBI concerning Lee Harvey Oswald. Lydia Dymitruk was also interviewed concerning her knowledge of Lee Harvey Oswald. She met Marina Oswald in October 1962, and through her met Lee Harvey Oswald. An interview with George Bouhe, concerning Lydia Dymitruk, re¬ vealed that Bouhe had met Dymitruk shortly after her arrival in the US, and that he found her a job at Titche's Department Store in Dallas. Bouhe stated that she was simple, unintelligent, harmless and too stupid to be a subversive. (U) On 10 October 1968 the records of the Intelligence Division, Dallas Police Department, Dallas, Texas, were examined and contained no information concerning George Bouhe, Lydia Dymitruk, Alexander Kleinlerer, George Bloodworth or Viviane Astrid Bloodworth nee Hayoun. (U) On 10 October 1968 the records of the INS, Room 608, Mayflower Building, 411 North Akard Street, Dallas, Texas, were examined to locate records pertaining to George Bouhe, Lydia Dymitruk and Viviane Astrid Bloodworth nee Hayoun. This search met with negative results. The check did however provide the following information concerning Alexander Kleinlerer: (U) Kleinlerer's file contained no documents substantiating his origin prior to 12 June 1945. On 8 November 1954 Kleinlerer submitted an application for immigration to the United States to the US Embassy, Paris, France. This application included a statement of sponsorship from Abraham Isaac Goldberg, M.D., Page 5 of 7 Pages 5. TYPED NAME AND ORGANIZATION OF SPECIAL AGENT DAVID R. HORN, 66th MI Group SIGNATURE OF SPECIAL AGENT FORM I APR 52 „ p or use .of this form, see FM 30-17(C); AR 381-130; the proponent agency is the Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence. 2. DATE SUBMITTED: 23 March 1977 3. NAME Or SUBJECT OR TITLE Of INCIDENT ~ . SAEDA (U) Munich, FRG 28 Sep 76 4. REPORT OF FINDINGS DPOB: 10 May 1910, Baltimore, Maryland, with residence at 1937 Forest Park Avenue, Fort Worth, Texas. This statement was co-signed by Eli Kahn, The Jewish Federation, Fort Worth, and further endorsed by the United HIAS Services, Incorporated. Kleinlerer's application contained the following information pertaining to himself: a. DOB: 3 May 1923 b. POB: Lodz, Poland c. Ethnic Origin: Polish d. Nationality: Stateless, formerly Polish e. Address; 17 Rue de Sommerard, Paris, France f. Relatives: Mrs. F. Goldstein, 9 Rue Orfila, Paris (sister) Residence since birth; Birth - March 1943: Lodz, Poland March 1943 - September 1945: Germany May 1945 - September 1946: Czechoslovakia (CSSR) September 1946 - May 1956: France Reason for Immigration: "I am an escapee from Poland because of my opposition to the Communist Government and to avoid persecution." Attached to Kleinlerer's immigration application was a travel permit issued at Karlovy Vary on 12 June 1945 by the Czechoslovakian Repatriations Committee, granting Alexander Kleinlerer permission to travel to Poland. Appearing on this document in different type was "#83837 Buchenwald," (nfi). Kleinlerer's US immigration application was approved, and he was granted visa number 3691 on 20 January 1956. He arrived in New York on 7 May 1956 aboard the ship SS United States. On 5 September 1957 Kleinlerer submitted an application for permission to depart the United States for a period of six to 12 months for the purpose of "attending the University of Paris and settle family affairs." The application was approved and permission granted on 5 September 1957, valid to 5 September 1958. Kleinlerer departed the United States on 5 November 1957. The INS received a letter from Kleinlerer dated 25 August 1958, giving his address as 47 Avenue Verdier, Montrouge/Seine (nca), France, and requesting that permission to remain abroad be extended. INS then received correspondence with appropriate forms from Loma Plastics, Incorporated, stating that Kleinlerer had traveled to Germany, Belgium, Holland, England and France as "Foreign Plastics " INS approved Kleinlerer s extension to 5 September 1959. Kleinlerer returned to the US on 25 August 1959. Kleinlerer returned to Europe on 1 November 1959, traveled to France, England and Italy, and returned to the United States on 15 June 1960. During this stay in Europe, Congressman Jim Wright wrote a personal letter to General 0. M. Swing, Regional Commissioner, INS,requesting a special waiver of residence requirements to enable Kleinlerer to be a naturalized P without meeting usual requirements. This letter, was contained in the file. Kleinlerer began taking trips to Europe without Permission of INS. He was in Europe from 11 January to 7 March 1961, from 14 April 1961 to 13 May 1961, and from 10 July to 1 August 1961. During the period of 1 August 1961 to October 1968, Kleinlerer traveled to Europe and returned to the United States approximately 30 times. (U) On 8 March 1962, Special Bill, H. R. 10644 was introduced to the 2nd r occ 4 nn P7fh fnnaress proposing to grant Kleinlerer 1 s time in Europe as residence in the US for naturalization purposes. At about the sametime, Kleinlerer began listing his nationality as "Naturalized French or Naturalized Citizen of France" or as "France." On 17 May 1963 Kleinlerer was issued Certificate of Naturalization Number 8503463 by the US District Court of Northern District of Texas at Fort Worth, and his file was closed by INS. 1 (C) AGENT’S NOTES: Reference Agent Report prepared by S/A David R. Horn, dated 1 October 1976, subject as above, wherein it was reflected that SFC James E White reported a SAEDA incident in which Helga Tismer,a German National was the principal. Reference Agent Report prepared by S/A Claude G Rpnne? Jr 66th MI Group, dated 31 January 1977, subject as above, wherein it was reported that during an authorized surveillance of Tismer she was observed in the company of SSG George C. Bloodworth, 66 th M! Group. Reference Report prepared by S/A Claude G. Benner, Jr., 66th MI j^oup, dated W February S Ref -nee Agent Report information concerning a possible SAEDA approach while he was a flight student at the US Army Flight Center, Fort Wolters, Texas. Steve Thomas

Robert, I'm awful glad I never had to rent from Mrs. Johnson. She was perfectly willing to violate her tenants' fourth amendment rights. Either the police lied to the Johnsons, or the Johnsons lied to the Warren Commission. Mr. BALL. Did you ever know his true name was Lee Harvey Oswald? Mrs. JOHNSON. No; not until we saw his picture flash on the television as the officers were out. Those particulars was found in his pocket after he killed Tippit, after his arrest. Mr. JOHNSON. "Well, uh--after he was--uh--apprehended out there, they searched him and found my address in his pocket Mr. BELIN. Your address of 1026 North Beckley? Mr. JOHNSON. That's right. Mr. BALL. When they came out there, did they have a search warrant? Mrs. JOHNSON. Yes, surely. Mr. BALL. Did you permit them to search his room? Mrs. JOHNSON. Yes; they taken everything immediately out of his room. “So I came from the restaurant, I guess 1 or 1:30, and these officers were there 1:30 or 2, something like that, anyway, it was after this assassination, and as I drove in, well, the officers were there and they told me that they was looking for this character and I told them I didn't think I had anyone by that name there but we went through the register carefully two or three times and there was no Oswald there and I had two new tenants, rather new tenants, so we had carried them around the house to show them and we was going to start in the new tenants' rooms...” At 2:40 PM, W.E. Potts, B.L. Senkel and Lt. E.L. Cunningham were dispatched to 1026 N. Beckley. Potts wrote in his after-action report (Box 2, Folder# 9, Item# 32) http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm that after he finished taking some affidavits, Fritz dispatched them to the Beckely St address at 2:40 and they arrived at Beckley at 3:00PM. Detective B.L. Senkel also said in his after action report (Dallas Police Archives Box 3, Folder# 12, Item#1) that they arrived at 1026 N. Beckley at 3:00PM. They checked the register and found that Oswald had been living there since October 14th. They did not search the room on Beckley until Detective Turner, David Johnston, and Deputy DA Bill Alexander arrived with a search warrant at 4:30 or 5:00PM (Potts, Dallas City Archives - JFK Collection) Steve Thomas

From Bill Kelly in the Education Forum 8/27/2006: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/7717-a-phone-call-from-out-of-the-blue-laary-haapanen-alan-rogers/ "Capt. W. P. Pat Giannaway was a Lt. Col. USAR. ". Steve Thomas

Michael, No. I don't think this has been discussed in this thread. I'm confused about how the Dallas Police Department would know about this phone call and why they would be interested. Steve Thomas

Paul, (19H354) (Crafard Exhibit 5226) FBI Interview of Curtis LaVerne Crafard November29, 1963. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1136&relPageId=372&search=%22Eat_Well%22 “Crafard would stay at the club and eat his meals at the Eat Well Cafe and the drug store across the street from the club. Money for these meals was taken from the cash register.” Steve Thomas

"Luis Posada Carriles, a Cuban-born veteran of the failed 1961 Bay of Pigs invasion, died Wednesday aged 90 at his home near Miami. " https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/cuba-regrets-cia-bay-pigs-veteran-died-without-trial/ Steve Thomas

Ron, The Eat Well Restaurant is interesting. George Senator ate breakfast there every morning, including Sundays. (14H193) http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/senator.htm Steve Thomas

Gene, Who the smurf is D.F. Drittal? That's a new one one me. Good one Gene. Steve Thomas

Ron, I figure there was either an urgent need, or it was a matter of revenge, and the timing was coincidental. On a thread dealing with Lyman Lemnitzer, I wrote: "Lately, I've been speculating lately on "revenge as motive" for the hit on JFK. Not so much for what he "might" do with respect to getting out of Vietnam, or eliminating the oil depletion allowance, etc., but for what JFK "had" done; and looking at the people who had been "exiled to the frontier". So far, I've come up with Lyman Lemnitzer and William King Harvey, who was transferred to Rome after the Cuban Missile Crisis. Remember his handwritten ZR/Rifle to use Corsicans rather than Mafia. Being CIA Station Chief in Rome would make him pretty well positioned to find some. I think they sat out there in the boondocks and stewed. In ancient Roman times, wasn't it the generals who had been banished to Gaul who were always stirring up trouble, with this legion or that legion always seemingly ready to "cross the Rubicon" at any moment? Although they weren't exiled, I'd add Allen Dulles and Charles Cabell, who were forced into retirement rather than banished to the frontier." Steve Thomas

Douglas, It's funny. I was just thinking about that this morning. As much as Kennedy was hated by the upper eschelon, he was still adored by the masses. Look at the crowds standing ten deep along Main St. in Dallas.Something Ralph Yarborough said has always stuck with me. He said that along the parade route, the people down on the street were clapping and cheering, but if you looked up into the upper floors of the buildings, the peoples' eyes were full of anger and hatred. I always took that as a metaphor. So I was wondering, what couldn't wait for the regular election process to run its course? Why the urgent need to eliminate Kennedy now? So far, I don't have an answer to that. Steve Thomas

David, I Looked up the definition of RYBAT GPFLOOR. For example: 104-10087-10054: THE 201 SYSTEM "This internal CIA description of the 201 file system makes note of the sensitivity of RYBAT-marked documents: "To retain the P&L, RYBAT, or KAPOK sensitivity of a document remaining in a 201 dossier being retired to Central Files, place that document in an envelope sealed with black tape..."" My my. Steve Thomas

B.A., I could be wrong, but I've come to believe that's just what it was. Steve Thomas