Steve Thomas

On November 9, 1964 J. Edgar Hoover wrote a letter to J. Lee Rankin concerning the statements made by Sylvia Odio. In support of his letter, Hoover attached several FBI reports.

One of those is an unsigned memo of an investigation that took place in Miami, FL on October 2, 1964. In that memo, Sylvia recalls that the Cuban families living in the Crestwood apartments would get together for social occasions and that on one occasion the son of "Masferrer" (and I'm not sure if she is saying the son of Kiki or Rolando) got into a fight with another individual that deteriorated into a general disturbance to which the police were called.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=130

It seems to me that I've seen reference to that fight before, but can't recall where.

Does anyone know any more about this fight?

Steve Thomas

1969 Interview with Robert K. Shelton, Imperial Wizard of the KKK.

"The House Un-American Activities Committee was a left wing organization"

http://newstalgia.crooksandliars.com/

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"I am not in accord with Nixon. Nixon was more liberal than Kennedy or Johnson"

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1969 Interview with Robert K. Shelton, Imperial Wizard of the KKK.

"The House Un-American Activities Committee was a left wing organization"

http://newstalgia.crooksandliars.com/

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Robert,

For those who read the post, I was particularly struck by the name references specifically "Kenneth Adams" and "Brown."

Brown is not only mentioned as allegedly tracking MLK, in the period before Dealey Plaza, but Milteer states "Brown is as likely to get him as anybody," referencing JFK.

I would have to go back and look but there are definitely, both in the WC documents and the de-classified files other suspects, even besides Oswald. I need to see if there is a Brown or Adams, amongst that category.

I have this in my notes:

“The Milteer Documents” by Harold Weisberg as printed in Frame Up by Harold Weisberg, 1971.

Transcript of the discussion between Somerset and Milteer on November 10, 1963:

Somerset: A man who killed two Negroes in Athens, GA “is from Chattanooga. He knows Brown, he knows all of them, his uncle is in the Klan there…. So he has been involved in quite a little bit of stuff, according to his story about Nashville, Chattanooga, and Georgia.”

(Weisberg said that the Brown referred to is believed to be Jack H. Brown, who like Kenneth Adams who was implicated in the burning of a Freedom Riders bus).

Weisberg wrote, “He [brown] operated a gas station in a Chattanooga suburb. He has been reported to be a “contact man” for the United White Party; to have arranged for the Klan to be entered into the Chattanooga softball series; to have been a NSRP presidential elector; to believe that the Klan needed a flag and to have offered to design it; to have died of a heart attack in 1965.”

Somerset indicated that Brown, “intimated that he backed the bombings of killing the Negroes in Birmingham…”

Steve Thomas

Bill,

Does anyone have any other information about him?

Thanks,

Bill Kelly

It's interesting. He had two brothers who were married to a woman named, "Olga".

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...bsPageId=690693

Steve Thomas

Ron,

Just an afterthought, but as I'm a great respecter of the king's English, the title of this thread should not be "One thing I thank Oswald for," but "One thing for which I thank Oswald."

That's the kind of mistake I have to keep looking out for.

That's the kind of mistake for which I have to keep looking out?

:-)

Steve

Antti,

The testimony is not accurate. I believe Greer followed the two motorcycle cops leading the motorcade to Parkland. I recall one was a sergeant and he was upset about the Presidetial limo tailing the motorcycles at a very close range to Parkland. I believe Curry's car was behind the 2 limo's and motorcycles, a short distance away.

Antti

Larry Sneed's, No More Silence contains a lot of oral history from the motorcycle policemen. If my memory serves me right, it was Stavis Ellis who told Larry about the high speeds going to Parkland and how the motorcycle cops were scared to death that the limousine was going to clip them in the rear. I think they hit speeds of close to 90 mph. At one point there was a railroad track , or maybe it was Industrrial Blvd that crossed Stemmons and both wheels of their motorcycles left the ground and they were flying through the air.

As a side note, after some of them were relieved, they were kind of bummed out because they didn't have a job to do anymore and wound up guarding the corridors of the third floor of DPD headquarters.

Steve Thomas

Bill,

Duke,

Of the Dallas Police at Dealey Plaza, do you know who were also in the US Army Reserves or in Gannaway's Intelligence Unit besides Revell?

Thanks,

BK

I think you can look at just about anybody who was in the Special Services Bureau, although some specialized in subversives, some in vice etc.

You can find a list of them here:

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=138

Around 11:00 PM on November 22nd, a cable was sent from The Commanding General U.S. Continental Army Command to the Commander in Chief, U.S. Strike Command in Fort Macdill, FL. This cable summarized a telephone call between a Captain Saxton in U.S. Strike Command and a Lieutenant Colonel Fons in the 4th Army Headquarters, Fort Sam Houston, TX. Part of the information in this phone call contained the following:

"Assistant Chief Don Stringfellow, Intelligence Section, Dallas Police Department, notified 112th Intelligene Group, this Headquarters that information had been obtained from Oswald revealed he had defected to Cuba in 1959 and is card carrying member of Communist Party."

(Stringfellow was a Detective, not an Assistant Chief)

Steve Thomas

Tin Eye

TinEye is a reverse image search engine. You can submit an image to TinEye to find out where it came from, how it is being used, if modified versions of the image exist, or to find higher resolution versions.

http://tineye.com/login

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John,

QUOTE(John Dolva @ Jan 21 2009, 01:03 PM) *

btw that was KKK's : 'Kill the Kennedy Klan' 9on car up east north east of DP0.

No, but this doc might. http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=214

CD 913 is a March 30, 1964 Report of Robert Gemberling. Included in this Report is information relative to the "Kill the Kennedy Klan" bumper sticker and persons receiving mail at an address in Garland.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=174

However, Gemberling's report INCLUDES the names of the people. The mail being reported on dates from late December and early January, 1964.

Heitman's Report of April 29th is a copy of Gemberling's March 30th.

Among the people receiving mail at 806 E. Monica Dr. were Raul Castro and Juan Quintana.

The Rambler was owned by Raul Castro. (See Wallace Heitman’s interviews with Castro and Quintera.)

See here for a Heitman interview of Raul Castro Baile:

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/....do?docId=69112

See here for an interview of Juan Quintana Maya:

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/....do?docId=69111

FBI’s JFK Assassination File, Section 47 p. 66

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...bsPageId=761400

is a 2/26/64 order from Hoover to Shanklin to investigate Castro and Quintana

Among the Miscellaneous CIA Series, there is an unauthored FBI Report of the various anti-Castro groups in Dallas: JURE, 30th of November, Alpha 66-SNFE, etc.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...amp;relPageId=4

On pages 4 and 5 of that Report, Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro furnished the following list of the present officers of SNFE. Among that list of people were Raul Castro and Juan Quintana.

On May 25, 1964, Manuel Rodriguez voluntarily appeared at the Dallas FBI offices and spoke to Wallace Heitman. He told Heitman that the members of SNFE met at bi-weekly meetings at 3126 Harlandale. (Although in his Report, Heitman spelled it Hollandale.) (Where Oswald was said to have been seen)

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=222

Why did you say the car was parked east north east of DPO?

Steve Thomas

John,

btw that was KKK's : 'Kill the Kennedy Klan' 9on car up east north east of DP0.

Can you tell me more about this car?

Steve Thomas

Walter Potts passed away January 7th. He was Homicide Detective and searched Oswald's room at 1026 N. Beckley on the afternoon of 11/22/63.

Steve Thomas

Michael,

Do you know if your brother had any information about the planned assassination attempt in Chicago in early November of 1963?

Steve Thomas

Pretty classy

http://www.nerve.com/dispatches/nerveedito...ndex.asp?page=1

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Wim,

What time of the day goes with the angle of these shadows?

Wim

Other researchers have calculated that it was after 2:00 PM.

When they got to the Dallas Police Headquarters, LHO was already there.

Steve Thomas

Roy,

John, I agree with you. The fact that there seem to be two attributions, one 7-9-63, and the other one 9-6-64. I wasn't satisfied with the sources for the remarks either, so after I posted I continued my search. The "internal memo" origin didn't seem right, because after Dulles makes his remarks, Albert Jenner responds. This would seem then to come from some sort of executive session.

Can you find a way to sort the Warren Commission sessions by date?

Because, at least going by the Mary Ferrell site, there was no Executive Session on July 9th. They jump from June 23rd to September 18th.

In volume 15 of the Hearings, the timing of interviews seems to jump from the testimony of Seth Kantor and William Crowe taken on June 2nd to the testimony of Dallas Police officers like Will Fritz, Charles Batchelor, Jesse Curry and Cecil Talbert taken on the days of July 13th and 14th.

Steve Thomas

Bass, Billy Lee Born April 17, 1932 in Roane, TX to William & Gladys Bass, left this earth to serve & protect the Lord on October 24, 2008 in Mesquite, TX at the age of 76. Throughout his 26 years of service in the Dallas Police Department, Billy was one of few men who went from Patrol Officer up the ranks to #8 on the seniority list. He was handpicked by the city to be appointed to the county as Special Investigator for Henry Wade. Billy was also the 1st uniformed police officer to get the call on the JFK assassination and one of the last remaining survivors who was involved with the case. Billy is preceded in death by his 1st wife of 27 years, Wynell Bass; granddaughter, Samantha; and 1 sister. He is survived by his loving wife of 27 years, Dorothy Bass; children: Steve Bass & wife Marlene, Rick Bass & wife Jerri, Cheryl Sipriano & husband David, Tracy Bass & wife Sheryl; 9 grandchildren and 18 great- grandchildren. Visitation for Billy will be from 1-3 p.m. Sunday, October 26, 2008 at the funeral home. Funeral service will be 2 p.m. Monday, October 27, 2008 at Laurel Oaks Funeral Home Chapel with the interment to follow.

Steve Thomas

Robin,

Bernice.

I have looked over every inch of that Murray scan, and i don't see the Darnell Man.

It's a bit of a worry, because if they are a couple, you would expect to see them together in that image.

I think (stress think) that the man went into the RR yards, and she went to the front of the TSBD.

I have looked for him in the Hughes film, but haven't spotted him yet.

Steve Thomas

Lt. Carl Day of the Dallas Police ID Bureau died Thursday.

He was 94.

Steve Thomas

Robin,

Darnell / Underwood frame:

In this clearer version you can see that the woman standing next to the black man appears to have a "small child" resting on her right hip.

Do you think that what she is wearing on her head could account for the weird shape of the Black Dog Man's head?

Steve Thomas

Duke,

Bottom line: Oswald did not draw a pistol prior to being approached by McDonald, McDonald never saw him do so (although it's a reasonable inference when someone's hand suddenly has a gun in it that he did!), and actually, nobody else in the theater did either ... or, rather, nobody who testified to or gave statements about it.

I posted this some time ago under a thread enetitled, "The snap that never was.":

I have always taken it on faith that during his arrest at the Texas Theater, Lee Harvey Oswald took out his gun and attempted to shoot arresting Officer M.N. McDonald. This is based on accounts of an audible "snap" that was heard. Later, we read accounts that the only reason Oswald's attempted murder of McDonald didn't succeed because of a bent primer or a "misfire"

I would like to contend that perhaps the "snap" that was heard was either the sound of something else, or was accidently caused by the officers seeing the gun and immediately reacting to take it away from Oswald and that Oswald did not attempt to shoot Officer McDonald.

I say this for the following three reasons:

1)

Here are the after action reports of the arresting officers filed with Police Chief Curry on Decembers 2 - 5, 1963.

They can be found in the Dallas Police Archives, Box 2, Folder# 7

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm

E.L. Cunningham: "When I reached the seating area on the main floor, several officers were in the process of disarming and handcuffing the suspect. ...I did not see anything that indicated that any more force was used than was absolutely necessary to effect the arrest".

Paul Bentley: "Just as I entered the lower floor, I saw Patrolman McDonald fighting with this suspect. I saw this suspect pull a pistol from his shirt, so I went to Patrolman McDonald's aid immediately"

Bob Carroll: "When I arrived at the lower floor, Lee Harvey Oswald was resisting vigorously"...At this time I observed a pistol with the muzzle pointed in my direction. I grabbed the pistol and stuck it in my belt..."

Ray Hawkins: "The subject stood up and as Officer McDonald started to search him, he struck Officer McDonald in the face. The subject and Officer McDonald began to fight and both fell down in the seats. Officer Walker and I ran toward the subject and grabbed him by his left arm. The subject had reached in his belt for a gun and Officer McDonald was holding his right hand with the gun in it".

T.A. Hutson: "As I entered the row of seats behind the suspect he jumped up and hit Officer McDonald in the face with his fist, Officer McDonald was in the seat next to the one in which the suspect was originally sitting, and the suspect was up out of his seat struggling with Officer McDonald. I reached over the back of the seats and placed my right arm around the suspect's neck and pulled him up on back of the seat. Officer C.T. Walker came up and was struggling with the suspect's left hand, and as Officer McDonald struggled with the suspect's right hand, he moved it to his waist and drew a pistol and as Officer McDonald tried to disarm the suspect, I heard the pistol snap".

K.E. Lyon: "Enroute to the City Hall, Oswald refused to answer all questions. and he kept repeating, "Why am I being arrested? I know I was carrying a gun, but why else am I being arrested"?

M.N. McDonald: "When I got within a foot of him, I told the suspect to get to his feet. He stood up immediately, bringing his hands up about shoulder high and saying, "Well it's over now". I was reaching for his waist and he struck me on the nose with his left hand. With his right hand, he reached for his waist and both our hands were on a pistol that was stuck in his belt under his shirt. We both fell into the seats struggling for the pistol. ... I managed to get my right hand on the pistol over the suspect's hand. I could feel his hand on the trigger. I then got a secure grip on the butt of the pistol. I jerked the pistol and as it was clearing the suspect's clothing and grip I heard the snap of the hammer and the pistol crossed over my left cheek, causing a four inch scratch".

As you can see from reading these reports, at no time in the first 10 to 12 days following the assassination, did any of the arresting officers on the scene claim that Oswald tried to shoot M.N. McDonald. If the pistol did go off and cause a "snap" of the hammer falling into place, it was because McDonald jerked it out of Oswald's pants.

2)

When questioned by Captain Fritz on the afternoon of November 22nd, Fritz did not accuse Oswald of trying to shoot Officer McDonald.

Fritz (4H214)

Mr. FRITZ. He told me he went over and caught a bus and rode the bus to North Beckley near where he lived and went by home and changed clothes and got his pistol and went to the show. I asked him why he took his pistol and he said, "Well, you know about a pistol; I just carried it." Let's see if I asked him anything else right that minute. That is just about it.

Mr. BALL. Did you ask him if he killed Tippit?

Mr. FRITZ. Sir?

Mr. BALL. Did you ask him if he shot Tippit?

Mr. FRITZ. Oh, yes.

Mr. BALL. What did he say.

Mr. FRITZ. He denied it---that he did not. The only thing he said he had done wrong, "The only law I violated was in the show; I hit the officer in the show; he hit me in the eye and I guess I deserved it." He said, "That is the only law I violated." He said, "That is the only thing I have done wrong."

3)

If Oswald had attempted to shoot Officer McDonald, why were no charges of attempted murder filed as they were in the case of Governor Connally?

I believe that the account of Oswald trying to shoot McDonald was invented after the fact.

Steve Thomas

Duke,

Good stuff, Steve. Many thanks for that.

In early March, the WC requested a "verbatim" transcript from DPD, which was completed on March 20 (while WC counsel was in Dallas interviewing witnesses), transmitted to the local FBI office, which in turn sent them to FBI/DC a week later (with WC counsel still in town), and Hoover to the WC just shy of mid-April. The depositions of several police officers including Sgt. Henslee, Lt. Pierce, Sgt. Putnam and Sgt. Bud Owens (Tippit's immediate superior) were taken on April 8 and 9, 1964, without benefit of the new (CE705) transcript.

Thank you.

Don't know if this will aid in your research, but there was also a Secret Service copy.

I had remembered that during some other research, I ran across the fact that Dallas SA Roger C. Warner was also involved in transcribing the tapes.

CD 87, p. 339 is a 12/1/63 report from Warner and SA Elmer Moore relating that Deputy Chief Lumpkin had provided the actual tapes of both channels to Warner and Moore

on November 29, 1963. "Both channels were recorded by SA Warner and sent to Washington Protective Research Section for filtering, re-recording and transcription. Copies will be returned to this office and will be attached to this report when received."

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...bsPageId=335970

Steve Thomas

Duke,

I'm trying to find something I'm sure I must've read before: a history of the requests for and furnishing of transcripts of Dallas Police radio broadcasts.

This is Paul McCaghren testifying before the HSCA:

Mr. CORNWELL. At the termination of the investigation, do you know what was done with the evidence?

Mr. McCAGHERN. All the material in our possession was turned over to Chief Curry, who was the chief of police at that time.

Mr. CORNWELL. So the material, then, would have perhaps included such things as tape recordings of the Dallas dispatcher tapes during---

Mr. McCAGHERN. Yes.

Mr. CORNWELL. Now, after the materials were gathered in the course of this investigation, and turned over to Chief Curry, when did you next come in contact with them?

Mr. MCCAGHREN. I did not see the material again until approximately 1969. It was in 1969. Chief Batchler was then the chief of police. All of this material was found in a locked filing cabinet, in a metal filing cabinet, outside of his office.

Mr. CORNWELL. And you at that time were charged with the responsibility of safekeeping them; is that correct?

Mr. MCCAGHREN. Yes; I was the director of the intelligence division at that time.

Mr. CORNWELL. What did you do with the materials to discharge that assignment?

Mr. McCAGHREN. At that particular time, I kept it in my office until approximately 1971, the latter part of 1971, early part of 1972.

So, I just very quietly removed the files to my own private residence because I didn't trust the people.

I am talking about Fulgum, Dyson, and Moore.

Mr. CORNWELL So you took the materials to your residence and stored them there; is that correct?

Mr. McCAGHREN. Yes; that is correct.

Mr. CORNWELL And for how long a period of time did you maintain them at your residence?

Mr. McCAGHREN. Until 19--well, until this year. (1978)

Mr. CORNWELL And included among the material was a tape recording and a dictabelt tape which we have been discussing here today?

Mr. McCAGHERN. Yes.

Mr. CORNWELL. Now, throughout the period of time that the materials including the tape recording and the dictabelt were in your possession--in other words, continually from 1969, at which time they were removed from the locked filing cabinet--did you or anyone else tamper with the tape recording or the dictabelt?

Mr. McCAGHERN. No, sir. I had control of this property at all times, from 1969 until this year. No one, no one tampered with that material.

Steve Thomas

Chris,

I don't see anything dropping from either woman.

Can you be more specific in specifying the location of the handkerchief?

Thanks anyway. I've looked at the film a couple of times today, and I'm not seeing what I thought I'd seen before.

*shrug*

Steve Thomas

Chris,

Red arrows point to Willis' shadow in Z and the supposed reflection of Willis' shadow from his photo.

chris

Is the woman in black on Willis' left Mrs. Willis?

The reason I ask is that it appears to me that she drops a handkerchief right around the time of Rosemary Willis headsnap.

Steve Thomas