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On 7/19/2023 at 4:59 PM, Mike Aitken said:
Hi everyone, I’ve been reading the forum for a couple of years now but this is my first time posting.
This article stood out to me a few years ago and I’m wondering if anyone knows if there was ever a follow up or more information regarding the Carcano rifle that Loran Hall gave to his stepsons, Jim and John Pappas, a few weeks after Kennedy was assassinated.
Anyone have any theories as to why Hall would have the rifle, or could it just be a morbid souvenir that he picked up?
-Mike
Hello Mike,
I can't really speak about Loren Hall and a Carcano. To tell you the truth, I hadn't heard that before, so I'll be sure to read the article you referenced.
In any case, I'm glad you're here and I hope you'll take an active part in the discussions.
Steve Thomas
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Trump’s legal team continues effort to disqualify Georgia DA as possible state indictments loom
By Jason Morris, CNN July 21, 2023
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/21/politics/georgia-da-trump-legal-team/index.html
“Former President Donald Trump’s legal team in Georgia is continuing its efforts to disqualify Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis from pursuing her 2020 election interference investigation, as possible indictments in the state loom.
In a new, 650-page filing in the Superior Court of Fulton County, Trump’s lawyers stepped up attacks on Willis, a Democrat. CNN has previously reported that Willis is considering bringing racketeering and conspiracy charges in connection with Trump and his allies’ efforts to overturn the 2020 election in Georgia. The district attorney’s office declined to comment.
In the filing, Trump’s lawyers argue that due to Willis’ “conflict of interest” as a political candidate, she should not be allowed to continue to pursue the case.”
650 pp ?
If it takes you 650 pages to say what you want to say, that’s called a snowjob.
Can you imagine the time it took to put together a 650 page filing? It seems like those lawyers would have found it a much better use of their time putting together a defense.
Steve Thomas
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Marjorie Taylor Greene questions if UFOs and aliens are really angels: 'Honestly, I've looked into it'
By Sarah K. BurrisMatt Laslo July 20, 2023,
https://www.rawstory.com/raw-investigates/marjorie-taylor-greene-ufo-aliens/
Oh well. In that case...
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8 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:
Well Steve, the documented record just got deeper. Thanks for caring to dig on this. At one point in the article it states the train is stopped on the overpass, not which end. One question I'm asking myself at the moment is how long was a boxcar? Would nine of them equaled 3-400 yards,...
Ron,
https://www.american-rails.com/box.html
While the M&H invented the boxcar the pioneering Baltimore & Ohio is given the nod for developing the first practical design. At 30 feet in length and 7 feet wide it featured side-doors and was capable of handling 10 tons of freight.
The 50-foot boxcar made its first appearance in the 1930s and steadily grew in popularity over the years, which further improved redundancies by allowing for even more space within a given car. Today, the 50-footer remains the common boxcar size.
From Wikipedia
In the present day, hobos and migrant workers have often used boxcars in their journeys (see freighthopping), since they are enclosed and cannot be seen by railroad police, as well as being to some degree insulated from cold weather.[5] Hobo Code, a form of hieroglyphs used by hobos, developed as a code to give information to Hobos freighthopping.[6]
9 of them at 30 ft. per car would be 270 feet, or 90 yards
9 of them at 50 ft. per car would be 450 feet, or 150 yards
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18 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:
Steve,
And it stopped by the time we got in there. We're talking about 90 minutes after the assassination.
Ron,
I have no idea how this fits into the picture, but at 1:44 PM, the Dispatcher radios Unit 297 (a three-wheeled motorcycle officer - identity unknown at the moment), and says,
297, "contact 9 and notify him they are holding up a north-bound freight train there in the yard and they want to shake it down before they let it go. Do you want to send some officers over there to shake it down?"
297 responds, "10-4"
9 is Insp!ector Sawyer
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/dpdtapes/tapes3.htm
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1 hour ago, Bill Brown said:
Then word was put out that the suspect had run into the Jefferson Branch Library a few blocks away. With others, Westbrook hightailed it over to the library. A few minutes after arriving there, Westbrook contacted Sgt. Calvin "Bud" Owens (who was in charge of the scene at Tenth and Patton) to inform him that the library call was a dead end.
It was only after talking to Owens that Westbrook then headed for the Tippit shooting scene. No way he did all of this in time to arrive at the shooting scene "by 1:30pm".
The Dispatch Tapes have him relaying this information to Bud Owens at 1:34 PM.
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/dpdtapes/tapes3.htm
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1 hour ago, Bill Brown said:
Makes way more sense than the looney theory that Harvey and Lee were two different people.
Bill,
My research centers arund the use of the name, "Harvey Lee Oswald". It is not connected to the Harvey and Lee theory.
To me, Harvey Lee Oswald is a name, a file, a dossier that appears in State Department, FBI, CIA, Russian Government, Secret Service, U.S. Navy, and local Police Department files.
I have compiled a list of 50 such occasions where the name appears.
You can find a mostly complete bibliography of that list on page 39 of this Thread posted July 19, 2020 :
Was it really just a MOLE HUNT about "Oswald?"
Since then, I have found 6 others.
PS: I have to apologize to James Norwood. I just realized he brought this Marine Aapplication Card to my attention back on July 18, 2020 in the Thread I just referenced, and I completely missed it.
James, if you see this, my apologies.
Steve Thomas
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Evangelicals rail against Barbie, demand Americans not take children to see film
by Jennifer Sandlin Jul 20, 2023
Everyone is excited about the new Barbie movie.
"You know who isn't excited, though? The religious right—in fact, they are absolutely up in arms about the whole thing.
Case in point: Ivan Tuttle, founder of Ivan Tuttle Ministries International in Murfreesboro, Tennessee, who posted earlier this week on his Facebook page, warning his audience that the movie is full of "Demonic influences":
***WARNING*** DO NOT TAKE YOUR CHILD TO THE NEW BARBIE FILM!
It is full of Demonic influences and do not be surprised if your child suddenly starts to behave differently! The Lord showed me the Millions of Demons that will be released on your children! Don't take this lightly. "They are Coming for Your Children!"
Those that are sharing this post making fun of it, God loves you too. God sees who you are and He is there to help you. Just cry out to Him, He will help you. We have listed everyone who put a smiley face or left a derogatory comment and put you on our prayer list, we will be pray for you! God Bless
Feel free to share."
So There. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Steve Thomas
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Item# 50 on my countdown of Harvey Lee Oswald document references:
50. Marine Corps Enlistment Card dated October 24, 1956. The name of the enlistee, Oswald, Harvey Lee is erased and Lee Harvey is typed over it.
This can be found on the Harvey and Lee website https://harveyandlee.net/Marines/Marines.html
This Enlistment Card is not found in the Marine Corps Records Warren Hearings and Exhibits, Folsom Exhibit Current Section: Folsom Ex 1 - Copy of U.S. Marine Corps record on Lee Harvey Oswald Volume XIX beginning on Page 656, https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1136#relPageId=674
Fort Worth Star Telegram Updated November 23, 2018
https://www.star-telegram.com/opinion/article3837441.html
“Attorney John T. Chidgey’s father, Marine 1st Sgt. John G. Chidgey, was head of recruiting for the Marines in the Fort Worth office at the Federal Courthouse. Shortly after the president was killed, he heard that Oswald had been a Marine and had signed up in Fort Worth. The elder Chidgey went to the basement of the building, found Oswald’s original “APPLICATION FOR ENLISTMENT AND INDIVIDUAL DATA CARD,” retrieved it and kept it.“
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Florida Schools Will Teach How Slavery Brought ‘Personal Benefit’ to Black People
The Florida Board of Education has approved shocking new standards for African American history, despite overwhelming backlash from the public.
By Allison Quinn News Editor Jul. 20, 2023
“Middle school students in Florida will soon be taught that slavery gave Black people a “personal benefit” because they “developed skills.” “These
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2 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:
I'm not sure anymore they are the tramps in the pictures.
That a second arrest of three tramps occurred happened 1-2 hours after the assassination several hundred yards south of the RR yard and DP is documented by the officers statements at the time and over time as well as documents.
My question now is why. First set of tramps, hobos. Second set?
Why were they running along the tracks several hundred yards south of DP climbing into a grain car over an hour after the assassination?
Ron,
Something that's never been clear to me...
The train south of Dealey Plaza...
Which direction was it headed? Was it headed back into Dealey Plaza, or was it headed out of town? Was it stationary, or was it moving?
If it was headed out of town, why would it have been stationary? If the cops "ran" to it for 400 yards, or a half a mile, they couldn't have been running after a moving train could they?
Did Bowers say that he called the train and told it to stop?
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29 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said:
Who is the big and tall intimidating fellow in the picture above. Right behind the man holding the cigar leaning on the top of the car?
He looks at least 6ft. 6in. tall.
Joe,
I might be completely wrong, but it looks like he might be Detective John B. Drake of the Juvenile Bureau.
Go here and scroll roll down to the Juvenile Bureau:
https://jfkinvestigators.wordpress.com/2016/02/24/jfk-investigators-identification-project/
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36 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:
David,
The Sheriff Deputies' uniform was a butternut brown. The DPD's was a blue.
I've read before that there was a charge in Dallas at the time called, "Hold For Decker". He could hold people for as long as he wanted, without ever charging them with anything.
Deadly times.
Steve Thomas
WC testimony of Sheriff Bill Decker
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/decker.htm
Mr. HUBERT - Now, when prisoners are put in your custody or you take them into your custody who are awaiting trial, where are they placed, in cell blocks or something of that sort?
Mr. DECKER - Oh, yes; we have a jail there with a capacity of 750 prisoners.
Mr. DECKER - Most prisoners taken in custody by the city police are arrested within the corporate limits of the city of Dallas and they in turn are moved to the city jail, which is located at the corner of Main and Harwood, or better still, in the 2000 block of Main Street, and there confined until their period of investigation is completed.
Mr. HUBERT - How long is that?
Mr. DECKER - Well, now, that's a problem I couldn't--there would be no way to answer that--how long does it take to make some investigation?
Mr. HUBERT - What I had in mind was whether there was any rule, regulation, or law?
Mr. DECKER - No; someone said once you couldn't hold them over 24 or 36 hours, but where it is, I don't know. The city ordinance under which most municipalities work is--they have a right to arrest and hold for investigation until they could determine if a crime has been committed. That leaves it pretty blank.Mr. HUBERT - All right. Now, let's assume that a man has been formally charged and that there has been a capias or warrant
Mr. DECKER - It's a warrant in this case.
Mr. HUBERT - Of arrest, which authorizes you to arrest the particular prisoner?
Mr. DECKER - I or one of the constables.
Mr. HUBERT - What is your custom--are there any rules or regulations or laws?
Mr. DECKER - No; there's no rules or regulations---Steve Thomas
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2 hours ago, David Josephs said:
Thanks Steve... nice find to expand the knowledge base... here are some thoughts and sources.County sheriffs vs DPD? I've not seen them but have to think they'd be different.
David,
The Sheriff Deputies' uniform was a butternut brown. The DPD's was a blue.
I've read before that there was a charge in Dallas at the time called, "Hold For Decker". He could hold people for as long as he wanted, without ever charging them with anything.
Deadly times.
Steve Thomas
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To anyone,
How do you account for this?
FBI Interview of William Chambers 3/4/92
Page 2
https://www.geocities.ws/CapitolHill/Senate/5439/Susp_124-10179-10312.html
William Chambers: “When questioned regarding the circumstances of their arrest, the three individuals indicated that they were on a freight car sleeping when they were wakened by officers with different colored uniforms than the ones worn by the officers who drove them down to the station.
The way I look at it is that mostly the first people to flood the railway yards were Sheriff's Deputies. They were closest to the action, and the City Policemen who were on the scene were manning the intersections. I can see Sheriff's people picking up the Tramps first, right behind the TSBD.
Dispatch put out a call for all available units to report to Elm and Houston Code 3. A lot of them did respond and assisted in searching the TSBD.
Later, the Tramps were picked up south of Dealey Plaza by Wise and Vaughn and Bass, etc.
You can see Wise standing guard on the west side of the TSBD, just like he said he did, here:
Wise is on the left next to car 59.
https://jfkinvestigators.wordpress.com/2016/02/24/jfk-investigators-identification-project/
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Legal bills mount for Georgia Republican Party in Trump investigation
Atlanta Journal Constitution
https://www.ajc.com/politics/legal-bills-mount-for-georgia-republican-party-in-trump-investigation/M7RBNR4TGRHODJAEI2ZRPWFV5Q/
"The Georgia Republican Party spent more than $500,000 in the first half of this year representing “alternate” electors under investigation by local authorities in connection with Donald Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports.
The party has spent more than $520,000 in legal fees in the first six months of this year, which is around 75 percent more than it spent all of 2022 and a five-fold increase over the previous year, according to the report, which cites newly filed campaign disclosures."Steve Thomas
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Alex Jones: Dems will use 'meteorite' or 'truck bomb' after indictment to blame unrest on Trump supporters
by David Edwards July 18, 2023, 2:49 PM ET
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-indictment-2662297618/
“Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones believes there is a "95% chance" that Democrats will distract from Donald Trump's next expected indictment with a meteorite, truck bomb, or other "false flag" disaster.”
“"They've got to have some plan," Jones said. "I think it's false flag terror. I think they blow up buildings after they indict Trump and say a Trump supporter blows up federal buildings or something like that, schools, you name it, for Trump."”So, if any of you are planning on going out and getting a meteorite, don't even think about it.
Alex Jones has your number.
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13 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:
Trump says he’s received a target letter from special counsel Jack Smith’s Jan. 6 investigators
By Kyle Cheney07/18/2023
"Donald Trump said Tuesday he expects to be indicted by special counsel Jack Smith’s Jan. 6 grand jury, citing a “target letter” he received from investigators on Sunday.
Such a letter “almost always means an arrest and indictment,” Trump, who has already been criminally indicted twice in recent months, wrote on Truth Social."
Finally.
Steve Thomas
Department of Justice Special Counsel Jack Smith’s prosecutors on Sunday alerted Trump’s lawyers that the former president is the target of the second phase of his criminal investigation, Trump announced.
In a Tuesday morning post on his Truth Social network, Trump revealed what he called “HORRIFYING NEWS for our Country.” He said the DOJ’s special prosecutor had “effectively issued a third indictment and arrest,” calling Smith “deranged.”
“I am a TARGET of the January 6th Grand Jury investigation,” he declared, noting that the Justice Department has given him “a very short 4 days to report to the Grand Jury.”
If Trump got the letter on Sunday, and the four days holds true. we can probably expect and indictment to come down Thursday or Friday.
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Trump says he’s received a target letter from special counsel Jack Smith’s Jan. 6 investigators
By Kyle Cheney07/18/2023
"Donald Trump said Tuesday he expects to be indicted by special counsel Jack Smith’s Jan. 6 grand jury, citing a “target letter” he received from investigators on Sunday.
Such a letter “almost always means an arrest and indictment,” Trump, who has already been criminally indicted twice in recent months, wrote on Truth Social."
Finally.
Steve Thomas
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Death toll in Kenya starvation cult case passes 400
by Agence France-Presse July 17, 2023
https://www.rawstory.com/toll-in-kenya-starvation-cult-case-passes-400/
“The death toll in an investigation linked to a Kenyan cult that practised starvation to "meet Jesus Christ" has exceeded 400 after 12 more bodies were found on Monday, a senior official said.
"Total death Toll - 403," Coast Regional Commissioner Rhoda Onyancha told AFP in a message, following the latest round of exhumations in the Shakahola forest, where cult leader Paul Nthenge Mackenzie allegedly urged followers to starve to death.”
Following the discovery of the mass graves near the Indian Ocean town of Malindi, Mackenzie, his wife and 16 other defendants were taken into custody.
The 16 men are accused of operating an armed "enforcer gang" tasked with ensuring that no one broke their fast or left their forest hideout alive.
Kindiki, who was speaking before a senate committee probing the saga, also laid blame on the judiciary for their handling of earlier cases involving Mackenzie, saying that prosecutors should have ensured he remained in jail.
"The Shakahola massacre is the worst breach of security in the history of our country," he said, vowing to "relentlessly push for legal reforms to tame rogue preachers.""
God spare us from rogue preachers. We've seen enough of them to last a lifetime.
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42 minutes ago, David Josephs said:
@Steve Thomas. I can understand that... Man you been here a long time as Robin mentions your comments in the link below.
David
Yes. I think I joined the Forun in 2004, shortly after it started. It's been almost 20 years now.
Older, but not necessarily smarter.
😃
Steve
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4 minutes ago, David Josephs said:
Thanks! Old things are new again when seen from a diff POV.
So we are aware that each of the 3 arrests reports has ROBBERY on the "CHARGE" line, despite it being impossible they were involved in a Robbery
in the linked thread: you write: Wise on a robbery call at the far end of south Dallas when the dispatcher told #71 to go Code 3 to the TSBD and report to the supervisor.
We do not know if he has 3 suspects, or why ROBBERY would be added to their arrest reports given the description of how they were removed from the train, and when.David,
I wouldn't attach too much importance to the reason for holding the men.
I think it was the practice of the 1963's DPD era to slap any old charge on the booking sheet: Vagrancy, Burglary, Robbery, Suspicion of Murder... anything to justify picking a suspect up and holding him for a while.
Look at the arrest report for Daniel Wayne Douglas.
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth190290/?q="Daniel Wayne Douglas"
Burglary, Auto Theft, Forgery, and Lt. Baker of Homicide and Robbery wanted him held for Investigation of Murder.
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5 hours ago, Keyvan Shahrdar said:
I asked bard.google.com the following:
Can you check the api for any witnesses that saw a gunman in the grassy knoll area?
This is the reply that I received:
Sure, I can check the JFK Archive API for any witnesses that saw a gunman in the grassy knoll area.
There are several witnesses who claimed to have seen a gunman in the grassy knoll area on the day of the assassination. However, their testimony has been disputed by other witnesses, and there is no consensus on whether or not a gunman was actually present in the grassy knoll area.
Some of the witnesses who claimed to have seen a gunman in the grassy knoll area include:
- Howard Brennan: Brennan was a Dallas resident who was standing on the grassy knoll when the shots were fired. He stated that he saw a man with a rifle in the grassy knoll area.
- James Tague: Tague was a bystander who was standing near the grassy knoll when the shots were fired. He was struck by a bullet fragment that he believed came from the grassy knoll area.
- Marie Tippit: Tippit was the wife of Dallas police officer J.D. Tippit, who was killed by Lee Harvey Oswald shortly after the assassination. Tippit stated that she saw a man with a rifle in the grassy knoll area.
The testimony of these witnesses has been disputed by other witnesses, who stated that they did not see anyone with a rifle in the grassy knoll area. The Warren Commission concluded that there was no evidence to support the claims that a gunman was present in the grassy knoll area. However, some people believe that the Warren Commission's conclusion was incorrect, and that a gunman was indeed present in the grassy knoll area.
The question of whether or not a gunman was present in the grassy knoll area is still a matter of debate. There is no definitive answer to this question, and the evidence is inconclusive.
So this obviously would be shocking to know, Marie Tippit was at Dealey Plaza when JFK was assassinated.
I went ahead and asked it:
Can you show me the documents for these witnesses
It replied:
Sure, here are some of the documents for the witnesses who claimed to have seen a gunman in the grassy knoll area:
- Warren Commission Document 2190: This document is a transcript of an interview with Howard Brennan. Brennan stated that he saw a man with a rifle in the grassy knoll area.
- Warren Commission Document 2223: This document is a transcript of an interview with James Tague. Tague stated that he was struck by a bullet fragment that he believed came from the grassy knoll area.
- Warren Commission Document 2335: This document is a transcript of an interview with Marie Tippit. Tippit stated that she saw a man with a rifle in the grassy knoll area.
These are just a few of the documents that contain testimony from witnesses who claimed to have seen a gunman in the grassy knoll area. There are many other documents that contain testimony from these witnesses, and the JFK Archive API is a good resource for finding these documents.
It is important to note that the testimony of these witnesses has been disputed by other witnesses, who stated that they did not see anyone with a rifle in the grassy knoll area. The Warren Commission concluded that there was no evidence to support the claims that a gunman was present in the grassy knoll area. However, some people believe that the Warren Commission's conclusion was incorrect, and that a gunman was indeed present in the grassy knoll area.
The question of whether or not a gunman was present in the grassy knoll area is still a matter of debate. There is no definitive answer to this question, and the evidence is inconclusive.
So, obviously I wanted to see what was in 2335.
Can you show me Warren Commission Document 2335
It replied:
Sure, here is the transcript of Warren Commission Document 2335:
Date: November 29, 1963
Location: Dallas, Texas
Interviewer: Arlen Specter
Interviewee: Marie Tippit
I don't know guys. It seems like there's something wrong in all of this.
Look at the date of this supposed interview of Marie Tippit.
Isn't November 29, 1963 the date the Warren Commissi9n was established?
The hadn't had time to even hire staff yet.
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2 hours ago, David Josephs said:
This makes sense since the three in the WISE images are not the 3 with arrest reports... the 1st set were already in the boxcars, while the 2nd set moved along the RR tracks and were picked up later in the day.
David,
Back in 2010, there was a Thread on the Forum called, The Three Tramps.
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/16268-the-three-tramps/page/2/
On page 2 of that thread, I asked a series of questions like, Where were you when you found out Kennedy had been assassinated? and What kind of railroad car were you in when you got arrested?
I looked the answers and saw how different they were.
Steve Thomas
Was Marie Tippit on Elm street when the president was assassinated?
in JFK Assassination Debate
Posted
Does anyone know who this witness was that Westbrook is talking about?
WC testimony of William Westbrook
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/westbrook.htm
Mr. BALL. Where were you when this lady came up who was an eyewitness?
Mr. WESTBROOK. We were at the squad car--Tippit's squad car--it had never been moved.
Mr. BALL. You were near 10th and Patton?
Mr. WESTBROOK. And she was telling us what had occurred.
Mr. BALL. Do you remember her name?
Mr. WESTBROOK. No; the other officers got it.
Mr. BALL. Was it a Mrs. Markham?
Mr. WESTBROOK. It could have been, sir; I don't recall, because I directed someone there to be sure and get her name for the report, but she lived directly across the street, and she told us--or was in the process of telling us how it occurred--what she had seen, when someone hollered a patrolman hollered--"It's just come over the radio that they've got a suspicious person in the Texas Theatre."
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