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46 minutes ago, David Josephs said:
@Steve ThomasThe API came back with that same wrong file # a
David,
What is the API?
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16 minutes ago, David Josephs said:
In that same WCD1444 there's this card.
TRAN TO CO... County Office? Not Coroner's Office as he went to Parkland
Is this the Hunt call that was not allowed to go thru?
GRH = Garnet R Hill, Jail Guard. another 1st platoon name
Oswald's name only appears on the 22nd call log and not with GRH but what looks like "Jake Bedding", I could find no names with the double "d" on the 3 platoon's rosters.
And doesn't the rest of Oswald's card notations suggest he made or received other calls.. wondering if these are only outbound or both... didn't think he got any calls, did he?
And as you say, PAUL does not appear again... you say he's the 4th man yet 3 tramps, 3 men with Paul... thoughts?
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David,
You're right. You have to be careful what you post on the Internet. It never dies.
Gedney said that Noble was with them in Cell Block A.
Paaul's name does appear does appear again on the 22nd, handling a call made by Leroy Eunis from Cell Block E.
I think these were only outgoing calls, because of the middle column that says Contact Yes/No. I think that means did the prisoner make contact with the person he was trying to reach. If so, does that mean that Oswald made contact with the person he was calling, and is this in reference to the Hurt call, or something else?
It's a shame the times are not indicated.
Steve Thomas
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I try not to quote articles in full, but, if you want to talk about Christianity, this is what it’s supposed to mean…
I hope, if it ever comes down to it, I have that kind of courage.
Mountain biker dies after helping hikers who had no water, food in scorching heat
The San Diego Tribune
https://nordot.app/1053482293680964047?c=592622757532812385
A mountain biker died Saturday in the heat of the San Diego County desert after he and three other riders spent hours helping four hikers who had no food or water, a Cal Fire captain said Sunday.
Authorities did not release the name, age or other details about the person who died, and it was unclear if the four hikers who required rescue were recreating or had crossed the nearby border.
The ordeal began around 2:45 p.m. Saturday when the mountain bikers called for help after encountering the hikers in the Carrizo Gorge area near DeAnza Springs, according to Cal Fire Capt. Brent Pascua, who said it was 106 degrees when firefighters arrived in the area.
Two of the mountain bikers stayed with the hikers, while the other two rode about five miles to the trailhead to rendezvous with emergency personnel and provide the other group's coordinates, Pascua said.
A Cal Fire helicopter crew hoisted the four hikers to safety, Pascua said. Medical personnel checked all four of them and treated them at the scene, but none required hospitalization.
After the helicopter rescue, the two mountain bikers who'd stayed with the hikers began riding back to the trailhead, but they became separated along the way, Pascua said. Only one of them made it back.
When the other bikers set out to search for the missing man, they found him unconscious about a quarter-mile away, Pascua said. They carried him up the trail and placed him in an air-conditioned pickup until an ambulance arrived.
But paramedics and firefighters were unable to revive the stricken rider, and he died at the scene at 5:45 p.m., Pascua said.
No information was available Sunday about his cause of death.
Pascua said the incident was a reminder for anyone recreating during the summer heat to bring "plenty of water" while doing so.
"Try to plan activities earlier in the day when the temperatures are cooler," Cal Fire San Diego wrote in a Facebook post Saturday. "Also, hike in a group and let friends and family know where you'll be and what time you expect to finish."
Steve Thomas
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Trump Roasted For Making Up A Law 'Out Of Thin Air' About Classified Documents
"This was a law that was passed and signed," the former president said of the nonexistent legislation.
By Josephine Harvey Jul 17, 2023
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-classified-documents-absolute-right_n_64b4f477e4b0ad7b75f3d42e
“While railing against last month’s federal Espionage Act indictment over his handling of classified documents taken from the White House to his Mar-a-Lago estate, Trump claimed: “Whatever documents a president decides to take with him, he has the absolute and unquestioned right to do so.”
“This was a law that was passed and signed,” he insisted. “And it couldn’t be more clear.”
Legal experts did not agree. Laurence Tribe, a legal scholar and Harvard University professor emeritus, said “no such law exists.””
Yeah, I think I'll just take me some of them nuclear codes there.
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So, are you a fan of Pinky Doll?
The woman in the video, who goes by the screen name Pinky Doll, is an NPC streamer, a real person who makes money imitating a video game character imitating a real person. (The acronym NPC stands for “non-playable character”—the background actors in video games not controlled by the players themselves.)
https://www.intheknow.com/post/pinkydoll-tiktok-live/
"Some of Pinkydoll’s behavior is in response to livestream viewers sending her virtual gifts, which can eventually be redeemed for money. In exchange, Pinkydoll will either act out something relevant to the emoji associated with the money — ice cream, for example — or give the user a shout-out during the livestream.
The creator, who goes by Pinkydoll on her various platforms, has over 241,000 TikTok followers and 18,000 Instagram followers. In another clip from the same TikTok LIVE, Pinkydoll pretends to lick an invisible ice cream cone and repeats “yes, yes, yes, ice cream so good.”
So she's basically just acting out her gifts and popping popcorn on a flat iron.
Virtual gifts cost different amounts of money for fans, and once creators receive one, they can redeem it for “TikTok Diamonds.” These Diamonds are then converted into real money that transfers automatically into the creator’s bank account. Diamonds are also awarded to creators based on the popularity of their videos."
“People who watch this need help”
https://twitter.com/Pioche127/status/1679984385678868480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
What a world we live in.
Steve Thomas
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Several years ago, I was struggling to determine what Lt. Colonel, George Whitmeyer's official title was.
I thought it was important to know for two reasons that I will explain later.
Various people have identified him as:
http://spartacus-educational.com/MDcrichton.htm
- Lieutenant Colonel George Whitmeyer, who was in overall command of all Army Reserve units in East Texas.
Dallas Morning News 11-16-1965
- Lt. Col. George L. Whitmeyer, deputy East Texas sector commander
"Russ Baker's new book, Family of Secrets,
- Lieutenant Colonel George Whitmeyer, who was in overall command of all Army Reserve units in East Texas."
JFKcountercoup
http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2011/01/pilot-car.html
- Col. Whitmeyer was the Commanding Officer of the Northern District of Texas and gave the military "stand down" order.
- Whitmeyer is referred to in combined Batchelor, Lumpkin, and Stevenson, report to Curry as, “ Lt. Colonel George Whitmeyer, U.S. Army, Dallas Sub-section Commander.”
DPD Archives Box 14, Folder# 14, Item# 10 p. 20.
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box14.htm- On April 22, 1964 Police Chief, Jesse Curry told the Warren Commission, “I had Deputy Chief Lumpkin, and he had two Secret Service men with him, I believe, out of Washington, and a Colonel Wiedemeyer who is the East Texas Section Commander of the Army Reserve in the area, he was with him.
Testimony of Jesse Curry. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume IV, p. 170, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://history-matte..._Vol4_0089b.htm
In an article in the Abilene Reporter News, November 17, 1965
https://newspaperarchive.com/abilene-reporter-news-nov-17-1965-p-61/
it reads:
“Accompanying Colonel Offer to Abilene were Colonel John F. Marshall, East Texas Sector Commander for VIII Corps and Lt. Col. Al Hagler, both of Dallas.”
“Col. Offer and Col Marshall are Regular Army Officers, while Col. Hagler is a Reservist.”
Reading that article, it appears that Col. Marshall would have been Whitmeyer’s boss.
Dallas Morning News 11-16-1965
- Lt. Col. George L. Whitmeyer, deputy East Texas sector commander
(both newspaper articles are from the same week in November, 1965. One refers to Marshall as the Commander, and the other refers to Whitmeyer as the Deputy Commander of the VIII Corps East Texas Sector).
On further research, I have learned the following:
Thus, the VIII Corps was not part of the Active or Regular Army, but was part of the Reserves.
Texas Almanac 1961-1962 Page 356-357
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth117140/m1/359/
I believe that the two newspaper articles cited above, and the combined Batchelor, Lumpkin report to Chief Curry identify Lt. Colonel, Whitmeyer correctly.
Colonel John F. Marshall, was the, East Texas Sector Commander for VIII Corps and,
Lt. Colonel, George L. Whitmeyer,was the Deputy East Texas sector commander.
I have felt that it is important to identify Whitmeyer's official title for two reasons:
1) If people get a person's position or title wrong, that probably means they don't really understand the person they are talking about, and more than likely, have other aspects about the person's life wrong as well.
2) Knowing a person's official position helps to understand lines of communication and networks of information and how information is flowing. Who is reporting to who? and Where might be records found?
Hence, George L. Whitmeyer was not in "overall command" of all Reserve units in East Texas, and also did not report to Jack Crichton.
In addition, the 4150th Army Reserve Training Center, of which George Lumpkin was the Commandant, was probably one of the training centers established as outlined in the Texas Almanac article cited above.
Steve Thomas
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2 hours ago, Joseph Backes said:
I found these documents this morning.
In it it clearly states Morales works for the CIA since 6 Dec 1954. This doc is dated 22 March, 1965.
It clearly states there is an agreement between the two agencies.
In 104-10121-10287 Morales is being integrated into AID.
Joe
Joseph,
I only offer this as a supplement to what you have written:
Creating the Oswald Legend – Part 5
Written by Vasilios Vazakas
in Kenndys and King
https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/creating-the-oswald-legend-part-5
CIA POLICE TRAINING and THE CIS
“Coming back to Captain Westbrook, a most astonishing revelation was that after he retired from the Dallas Police Department in 1966, Westbrook became a Police advisor in South Vietnam. As researcher Greg Parker found out, Westbrook was employed as a security advisor in Saigon by the U.S.A.I.D. (United States Agency for International Development).[16]
The CIA was running a police program. Its purpose was to train friendly overseas police and to allow CIA to “plant men with local police in sensitive places around the world.” Also, to bring to the United States “prime candidates for enrollment as CIA employees.”[17]
John Gilligan, director of USAID under Jimmy Carter, said that “At one time, many USAID field offices were infiltrated from top to bottom with CIA people. The idea was to plant operatives in every kind of activity we had overseas, government, volunteer, religious, every kind.”[19] John Hannah, Nixon’s director of USAID admitted publicly that the USAID had funded CIA operations in Laos and that both organizations had co-operated in Ecuador, Uruguay, Thailand, and the Philippines.[20] “
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2 hours ago, David Josephs said:
Steve, take note of MIDDLETON.
Decided to just post the necessary docs to get a flavor of this duality... 2 sets of tramps. 1 photographed in DP and released by Decker, the other never photographed, potentially bogus arrest reports, and claim to be there up to 6 day
David,
2 sets of tramps, or were they arrested twice?
From Page 1 of this thread:
From Denis Morissette's site:
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senat.../Documents.html
William Earl Chambers was interviewed on 3/3/92 by SA Gary Gerszewski of the FBI and Lieutenant Kenneth Lybrand, City of Dallas Police Department.
“their stories as to where they came from and where they were headed differed from individual to individual.
“When questioned regarding the circumstances of their arrest, the three individuals indicated that they were on a freight car sleeping when they were wakened by officers with different colored uniforms than the ones worn by the officers who drove them down to the station.
Question: Sleeping? what time was this? They got out of the Salvation Army and on the way to the freight yards heard that the President had been shot. It couldn’t have been more than an hour lapsed maybe. Different colored uniforms? Driven down to the station?
It looks like the Dallas Police emptied out the jail and released anyone connected to the JFK case on the morning of the 26th.
John Elrod, the three tramps, and Daniel Wayne Douglas were all released at 9:00 AM on the morning of November 26th.
The release papers were signed by "Beck". I believe this to be E.R. Beck, a Detective in the Homicide and Robbery Bureau
Steve Thomas
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1 hour ago, Chuck Schwartz said:
Steve, good research.
Chuck,
Thank you.
In that last post from four years ago, I suggested to Paul Brancato that he take note of the Army providing "Advisors" to the Army Reserve program. At the time, I was wondering who these "Inspector Advisors" were that I kept running across.I
n particular, I was wondering if (at the time, Major) George Whitmeyer, in his role as an "Advisor" to the Reserves in Monroe, LA., might have run across Lee Harvey Oswald in the Civil Air Patrol program in Louisiana.
George Whitmeyer, who rode in the Pilot Car of JFK's motorcade, and who, Winston Lawson said, "taught Army Intelligence"; quite possibly out of the Army Reserve training school where George Lumpkin was the Commandant.
The Mexia Daily News from Mexia, Texas · Page 1
November 7, 1957
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/11876796/
Mexia Man Receives Appointment Earl McKeilh, (center) is pictured with L. Robert Castorr, of Dallas, Southwestern division manager of the National Federation of Independent Business, and Si N. Meadow, district manager of the organization from Austin.“Earl McKeith was coming out of a local bank Tuesday and came face to face with a man who was one of his fellow Army officers in the early thirties. Earl didn't recognize him but L. Robert Castorr, of Dallas, immediately grabbed Earl's arm and said "I know you." Mr. Castorr. who is now a- colonel in the Active Reserve serving as inspector and advisor to the 90th Division in Texas., and Mr. McKeith, a Reserve. Army captain, were first lieutenants when they served with each other in the Second Infantry Division. They last saw each other in 1930. Col. Castorr served with Merrill's Marauders in Burma during World War II.” “Mr. Meadow was accompanied to Mexia by L. Robert Castorr, the Southwestern division manager for the National Federation of Independent Business. Mr. Castorr formerly served in the U. S. Army with Mr. McKeilh.”
Brandy, Our Man in Acapulco: The Life and Times of Colonel Frank M. Brandstetter. A Biography by Rodney P. Carlisle and Dominic J. Monetta. University of North Texas Press, 1999.
https://books.google.com/books?id=QLdqgDsVio4C&pg=PA122&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=3#v=onepage&q&f=false
“...in December, 1953 he (Brandstetter) and several other officers were attached to different units for the first three months of 1954 assigned as “Inspector/Advisors” "
Who were these "Advisors" and what unit was Whitmeyer "advising" in Louisiana?
The Monroe News-Star from Monroe, Louisiana · Page 5
March 25, 1955
https://newspaperarchive.com/monroe-news-star-mar-25-1955-p-5/
“Those reserve officers interested in this program are urged to contact Major George L. Whitmeyer at the office of the unit advisor, United States Army Reserve, building T-39-2, Selman Field...:
The Monroe News-Star from Monroe, Louisiana · Page 3
September 21, 1955
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/89404823/
“Vacancies in the high school student draft deferment group still exist in the reserve army, Major George L. Whitmeyer, army reserve advisor, said Wednesday.The Monroe News-Star from Monroe, Louisiana · Page 3
October 23, 1956
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/84343273/
“Looking on as Capt. Pipes reads his new commission is Major George L. Whitmeyer, unit advisor.”Training and Organization of the US Army Reserve Components: A Reference Text for Total Force Trainers and a Guide to Other US Military Services 1988-1989. published 1991
page 53
https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a236572.pdf
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(3)(D) “The Army has assigned AC (Active Component) personnel to advise full-time,specific RC units on all aspects of unit operation. These AC personnel are called dedicated advisors. Brigade-level units,divisions, separate GOCOMs, ARCOMs, and State headquarters have dedicated advisors; however, some selected battalion-size units, by virtue of their unique nature, mobilization priority,or geographical isolation, continue to have battalion advisors assigned. The AC end strength reductions mandated by Congress have resulted in the elimination of many dedicated advisor positions.
(E). In addition to the AC personnel assigned to advise specific units, there are organizations that assist units on a regional USATB (United States Army Training Board) basis.”
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David,
I like the first sentence in the last document you provided:
"By the time Wise and his three prisoners reached Sheriff Decker's office for the second time..."
and I went, "Wait, what?"
They had these bouncing around all over the place.
Steve Thomas
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40 minutes ago, Ed Berger said:
I guess my ultimate question, somewhat buried in my too-long post, is this: could Crichton have had some manner of contact with the real 488th in the context of his intelligence-linked oil work in Dallas and Yemen in the late 1950s, given that we have evidence that the 488th was doing oil intelligence?
Rd,
I honestly don't know.
I've never run across any, but that's not to say there might not have been any.
I would think the real 488th would be a little pissed know that there was somebody running around doing stuff in their name.
Steve Thomas
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The shells were found at 1'00 PM. The rifle was found at 1:22 PM.
The shells had already been bagged and tagged and entered into evidence by the time the rifle had been found.
I'll always believe in my hearts, with absolutely no evidence whatsoever to back it up, that somebody screwed up and planted the wrong knd of shells.
You can't really have a 7.65 rifle with 6.5mm shells.
Steve Thomas
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Ed,
I will just reply to your post, rather than try to quote it, since it is so long.
First, thanks for posting the pictures of Jack Crichton. I don't have a copy of his 1964 book, and don't have any pictures of him later in life.
Secondly, yes, there was a real and legitimate 488th Military Intelligence Detatchment. if you read the following study by Thomas Cagley,'
In his 1991 study, entitled, Reforming Military Intelligence Reserve Components: 1995-2005, Colonel, Thomas Cagley showed that half of the Military Intelligence Detatcments (MID's) reported directly to the DIA.
See Table II2, page 14 of his study. The 488th was one of the MID's which reported to the DIA (the Defense Intelligence Agency)..
https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a233391.pdf
Traditionally, MID's consisted of 9 men and were headed by a Colonel. Their analysis were strategic in nature, and often the members were multi-lingual. Since they did not have any support staff (like secretaries), they were attached to a larger unit for the purposes of drawing supplies and pay.
I was in contact with Colonel Cagley, and he told me that an MID consisting of 100 men was more like a social club, like the VFW or American Legion than a real Military Intelligence Detatchment.
Thirdly, the idea of someone up and starting his own Uinit of the United States Army, Reserve or not, is absurd on its face. That hasn't been done since the Civil War, and I'm sure the Command structure in Washington would not look too kindly on it.
Steve Thomas
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Trump asks top Georgia court to disqualify election probe prosecutor and toss grand jury report
By KATE BRUMBACK July 14, 2023
ATLANTA (AP) — Lawyers for former President Donald Trump are asking Georgia’s highest court to prevent the district attorney who has been investigating his actions in the wake of the 2020 election from prosecuting him and to throw out a special grand jury report that is part of the inquiry.
Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis has been investigating since early 2021 whether Trump and his allies broke any laws as they tried to overturn his narrow election loss in Georgia to Democrat Joe Biden. She has suggested that she is likely to seek charges in the case from a grand jury next month.
Trump’s Georgia legal team on Friday filed similar petitions in the Georgia Supreme Court and Fulton County Superior Court naming Willis and Fulton County Superior Court Judge Robert McBurney, who oversaw the special grand jury, as respondents. A spokesperson for Willis declined to comment. McBurney did not immediately respond to an email seeking comment.
“Even in an extraordinarily novel case of national significance, one would expect matters to take their normal procedural course within a reasonable time,” the filings say. “But nothing about these processes have been normal or reasonable. And the all-but-unavoidable conclusion is that the anomalies below are because Petitioner is President Donald J. Trump.”
The petitions seek to bar Willis and her office from continuing to prosecute the case. It also asks that the report produced by the special grand jury that had been seated in the case be tossed out and that prosecutors be prevented from presenting any evidence from the panel’s investigation to a regular grand jury.
Good work if you can get it.
(Should we tell his lawyers that Trump isn't President?)
Steve Thomas
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1 hour ago, Chuck Schwartz said:
Steve, this was in the article I referenced above; " His close friend, Deputy Police Chief George L. Lumpkin, and a fellow member of the the 488th Military Intelligence Detachment, drove the pilot car of Kennedy's motorcade. Also in the car was Lieutenant Colonel George Whitmeyer, commander of all Army Reserve units in East Texas. The pilot car stopped briefly in front of the Texas School Book Depository, where Lumpkin spoke to a policeman controlling traffic at the corner of Houston and Elm."
Chuck,
Thanks for passing that along.
I read the article you referenced. I have number of issues with it that I won't go into, unless you want me to, but I will say that whoever wrote it was unaware of the 4150th Army Reserve Training School in Dallas and Charles Lumpkin's role in it.
Steve Thomas
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1 hour ago, Chuck Schwartz said:
I agree with Steve. FYI, Jack Crichton founded the 488th (https://spartacus-educational.com/JFK488mid.htm). Crichton and the 488th are covered in the " Coup in Dallas" , which I read and recommend. Members of the 488th were in the JFK motorcade in Dallas and may have slowed the motorcade down right in front of the TSBD.
Chuck,
I personally believe that Jack Crichton.s 488th was a product of his fevered imagination and delusions of grandeur, who co-opted the name of a legitimate military unit.
There are others who believe that the 488th was a legitimate organization and deserving of serious research and study.
When you say that "members of the 488th were in the JFK motorcade in Dallas...", can you tell me who they were?
I ask, because I have never seen anyone outside of Frank Brandstetter, who ever said, "I was a member of Jack Crichton's 488th."
I personally think that a more fruitful area of research is the 4150th U.S. Army Reserve Training Center, where Deputy Chief, George Lumpkin was Commandant, and where, I believe, George Whitmeyer taught intelligence. They were both in the Pilot Car of the motorcade.
Boise Smith was also on the faculty.
"Mr. Lawson acknowledged
that Lt. Col. George Whitmeyer, who was part of the Dallas District U.S. Army
Command, who Lawson said "taught Army Intelligence"
1/31/78 HSCA interview of Secret Service agent Winston Lawson (RIF#18010074-10396)
Mary Ferrell Database
1963-1964 City Directories list him (George Whitmeyer) as Area Commander USA Reserve Training Center.Did George Whitmeyer teach at the Muchert Reserve Center where George Lumpkin was the Commandant and Boise Smith was also associated with?
B.B. (Boise) Smith. Director, Civil Defense and Disaster Commission. Dallas Police Department, Deputy Chief of Police.
Reported directly to Chief Curry.
Batchelor Exhibit 5002
https://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf
The Civil Defense and Disaster Commission was headquartered at the Fairgraounds, where the Special Services Bureau also had their office.
Colonel. B.B. Smith
Daily Palmer Rustler October 14, 1954 page 2
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth782328/m1/2/
It looks like the 4150th was housed at Love Field up until the City donated property to it in 1956.
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11 minutes ago, Charles Blackmon said:
I just read something about the 488th Army Intelligence Unit on the jfkcountercoup blog. Comprised of about one hundred men, about half of whom served in the Dallas Police Dept.
Charles,
I'd recommend you do a Forum search for Jack Crichton. Also do searches for the 488th and Military Intelligence Detachments in general.
You can make up your own mind about the legitimacy of the claims you read.
Steve Thomas
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Kremlin News Stars Unravel in Post-Mutiny Television Fiasco
By Julia Davis Jul. 12, 2023
https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-state-media-unravels-in-aftermath-of-yevgeny-prigozhins-mutiny
Even the most seasoned Kremlin propagandists had a hard time with the dizzying descent: from glorifying the “heroic deeds” of Prigozhin’s brutal fighters and his role in Russia’s invasion of Ukraine to portraying the Wagnerites and their leader as a bunch of convicts and unsavory characters.
One of Prigozhin’s main cheerleaders, host Vladimir Solovyov, went from praising the Wagnerites and participating in the filming of their commercials, to complaining that it took them over 200 days to take Bakhmut.
After the Kremlin’s revelation that President Putin met with Prigozhin just days after the failed mutiny, Solovyov again changed course at breakneck speed. During Monday’s broadcast of The Evening With Vladimir Solovyov, the host alleged that the group’s undisclosed location—(most of them are not eager to sign up for regular military service)—is all a part of Putin’s ingenious plan.
It must be hard to lie for a living. The script keeps changing.
Steve Thomas
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"I just repeated what I was told': Court filings claim Giuliani didn't vet allegations he made about election fraud
By Adam Nichols July 13, 2023,
https://www.rawstory.com/giuliani-fraud/
In it, he said that didn’t check evidence before he claimed that one of the plaintiffs had been arrested in the past and had a history of voter fraud.
a claim he made that Freeman had an arrest record and a history of voter fraud.
“You didn’t think it was important to do that before you accused them of having a criminal background?” the lawyer asked. He said his client had no arrest record.
“I just repeated what I was told,” Giuliani replied.And to think of how many peoples' lives have been destroyed by these people...
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At approximately 1:22 on the afternoon of November 22, 1963, the police found a rifle on the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository.
Shortly after that, TSBD Superintendant, Roy Truly and DPD Deputy Chief, Charles Lumpkin approached DPD Homicide and Robbery Bureau Captain, Will Fritz and told him that there was an employee missing from the TSBD and that he lived in Irving, TX.
Will Fritz dropped everything and went tearing after this man.
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/fritz1.htm
Mr. BALL. Another witness has testified that the rifle was found at 1:22 p.m., does that about accord with your figures or your memory?
Mr. FRITZ. Let's see, I might have that here. I don't think I have that time.Mr. FRITZ. After he told me about this man almost, I left immediately after he told me that.
Mr. BALL. You left almost immediately after he told you that?
Mr. FRITZ. Almost after he told me that man, I felt it important to hold that man.
Mr. BALL. Did you give descriptions to Sims and Boyd?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; I told them to drive me to city hall and see if the man had a criminal record and we picked up two other officers and my intentions were to go to the house at Irving.Fritz was hot to trot. He was going to lead this chase himself. He was going to get this man, and was headed off to Irving to do it. As he was heading down the stairs, Fritz was also informed that a fellow police officer had been shot in the Oak Cliff section of Dallas.
When he got to the bottom of the stairs, a curious little incident occurred. Fritz was informed that Dallas County Sheriff, Bill Decker wanted to talk to him.
Detectives Richard Sims and Elmer Boyd had been with Fritz all morning. He diverted from his plan to go to Irving right then, and he took Sims and Boyd over to Deckers's office just down the street from the TSBD.
Fritz went in to talk to Decker, but he did so alone. Sims and Boyd stayed out in the hall.
While they were in Decker's office, the three policemen learned that a man had been arrested for the shooting of Officer Tippit.
I don't know what Decker told Fritz, but from that moment on, everything changed. Fritz abandoned his plan to go to Irving and sent other officers instead.
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/sims.htm
Mr. SIMS. Captain Fritz went over and talked to Sheriff Decker. He sent word he wanted to talk to Captain Fritz, so we talked to the sheriff and then we went to the city hall.
Mr. BALL. Where was Decker when he said he wanted to talk to Fritz?
Mr. SIMS. Well, I didn't go inside the sheriff's office--I stayed out in the corridor there.
Mr. BALL. The sheriff's office is just a half a block from the Texas School Depository Building?https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/boyd.htm
Mr. BALL. And what did you do then?
Mr. BOYD. We started to go over there and when we got downstairs, like I said, someone told Captain Fritz that Sheriff Decker wanted to see him a minute before he left, and Ave went in there and while we were in there we learned that the man that had shot Officer Tippit, we thought was the man, was on his way up to our office and Captain Fritz wanted to go by there and we carried him there.
Mr. BALL. You were in Decker's office when you heard that a man had been arrested for the murder of Tippit?
Mr. BOYD. Yes; we heard about Tippit getting shot when we were up on the sixth floor.
Mr. BALL. Then, Fritz told you to go to Irving, didn't he?
Mr. BOYD. Yes, sir; we started to Irving.
Mr. BALL. Where were you when you heard the man had been arrested, the suspect for the murder of Tippit?
Mr. BOYD. Well, I think we was still in the Texas Book Depository when we heard about him being arrested over there.
Mr. BALL. Did you go to Decker's office with Fritz?
Mr. BOYD. Yes sir.
Mr. BALL. And then you went with Fritz up to your office?
Mr. BOYD. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And did Fritz send somebody else out to Irving, or do you remember?
Mr. BOYD. I think later on, I believe, he sent someone else out there.Mr. BALL. Now, you instructed some other officers to go to Irving, didn't you?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; I did.Police Officers Adamcik (7H202), Rose (7H227) and Stovall (7H186) are unanimous in saying that Captain Fritz dispatched them to Irving at 2:30 PM. They are also unanimous in saying that when they arrived at this address, they had to wait for 35-40 minutes for the Deputy Sheriffs to arrive since Irving was outside their jurisdiction.
In his after-action report filed with Chief Curry https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth190145/m1/1/?q=Rose
Guy Rose wrote that after the Deputies showed up, they arrived at the front door at 3:30PM.When Bill Decker arrived for his testimony to the Warren Commission, he was carrying his case file against the man who shot President Kennedy.
Sheriff Decker's file on the assassination, given to the Warren Commission list the assailant's name as "Harvey Lee Oswald"
(12H51) (CE 5323) Deposition of Sheriff Decker dark brown heavy folder with a label on the outside: Harvey Lee Oswald.
At 2:40 PM, W.E. Potts, B.L. Senkel and Lt. E.L. Cunningham were dispatched to 1026 N. Beckley. Potts wrote in his after-action report https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth338564/m1/1/?q=Potts
that after he finished taking some affidavits, Fritz dispatched them to the Beckely St address at 2:40 and they arrived at Beckley at 3:00PM.
Detective B.L. Senkel also said in his after action report (Dallas Police Archives Box 3, Folder# 12, Item#1) that they arrived at 1026 N. Beckley at 3:00PM.Walter E. Potts, Billy L. Senkel and Fay M. Turner were Detectives in Will Fritz's Homicide Bureau.
Lt. Elmo L. Cunningham was a lieutenant in the Forgery Bureau. Both Bureaus were part of the Criminal Investigation Division.
Batchelor's Exhibit 5002 (19H)
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf
According to Will Fritz, someone, whose name he could not remember gave him Oswald's Beckley address before he began interrogating Oswald:
WC testimony of Will Fritz (4H207)
Mr. FRITZ. When I started to talk to this prisoner or maybe just before I started to talk to him, some officer told me outside of my office that he had a room on Beckley, I don't know who that officer was, I think we can find out, I have since I have talked to you this morning I have talked to Lieutenant Baker and he says I know maybe who that officer was, but I am not sure yet.Potts and Senkel were dispatched to Beckley, but when they got there, they were asking for a man named Harvey Lee Oswald.
WC testimony of Earlene Roberts April 8, 1964
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/robertse.htm
Mr. BALL. Do you remember the day the President was shot?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes; I remember it---who would forget that?
Mr. BALL. And the police officers came out there?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Do you remember what they said?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, it was Will Fritz' men---it was plainclothesmen and I was at the back doing something and Mr. Johnson answered the door and they identified themselves and then he called me.
Mr. BALL. What did they say?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, they asked him if there was a Harvey Lee Oswald there.
Mr. BALL. What did he say?
Mrs. ROBERTS. And he says, "I don't know, I'll have to call the housekeeper," and he called me and I went and got the books and I said, "No; there's no one here by that name," and they tried to make me remember and I couldn't, and Mrs. Johnson come in in the meantime and there wasn't nobody there by that name, and Mrs. Johnson said, "Mrs. Roberts, don't you have him?" And, I said, "No; we don't, for here is my book and there is nobody there by that name." We checked it back a year.
Mr. BALL. And you didn't have that name you didn't ever know his name was Lee Oswald?
Mrs. ROBERTS. No---he registered as O. H. Lee and they were asking for Harvey Lee Oswald.The men of the Homicide and Robbery Bureau in Dalls were noted in the City for wearing those white Stetsons. You've seen pictures of them escorting Oswald around City Hall and also on the morning of the 24th when Oswald was shot.
Earlene Roberts was astute enough to know that she was dealing with Will Fritz's men.
Did Fritz make up the story about an officer telling him out in the hall before he went in to interview Oswald the first time that Oswald lived on Beckley? Did he get the name Harvey Lee Oswald and that he lived on Beckley from Decker when he stopped in to see Decker on his way back from the TSBD?
Mr. FRITZ. He was at the station when we got there, you know.
Mr. BALL. He was?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; so then I talked to him and I asked him where his room was on Beckley.Steve Thomas
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21 minutes ago, Bill Brown said:
"Sergeant Rio Pierce and Patrolman Ray Vaughn appear in the Oswald shooting on the 24th."
Just an FYI, Pierce was a lieutenant, not a sergeant; and I think you mean Roy Vaughn (not Ray).
Bill,
Yes.
Thank you.
Steve Thomas
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"We are dealing with a radicalized and weaponized conservative movement that has fed and nurtured an extremist MAGA movement that has now overtaken the 'adults' in the room, who are in the corner, terrified, sucking their thumbs, and hoping they can avoid being devoured by their own Frankenstein monster," said [Columnist Wahajat] Ali.
Steve Thomas
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1 hour ago, Paul Cummings said:
Are you referring to the police who escorted them? Marvin Wise and Billy Bass were the policemen according to Holt
Paul,
A number of other policemen from that same Second Platoon, Headquarters Station show up in the JFK story.
In addition to Marvin Wise, Billy Bass was one of the Patrolmen.
Sergeant Rio Pierce and Patrolman Ray Vaughn appear in the Oswald shooting on the 24th.
Joe M. Poe is at the scene of the Tippit shooting.
Captain Cecil Talbert takes command of the TSBD shooting scene and also shows up in the alley behind the Texas Theater.
John Adamcik searches the Paine home in Irving on the 22nd and 23rd.
Kenneth Lyon is one of the Policemen who drive Oswald from the Theater back to Headquarters.
Jimmy Valentine is the driver of of the infamous Car# 207.
Notorious group of people.
Steve Thomas
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It's an interesting question.
If Trump gets convicted in both New York and Georgia, which State gets to hold him?
Would the first State to convict him be where he gets incarcerated?
Can a New York convict be held in a Georgia jail, or vice versa?
Would the incarcerations alternate - one week here, one week there?
Would the sentences be concurrent or sequential?
If Trump wins the Presidential election, and is also convicted of Federal crimes, can a U.S President (Federal) be held in State jail?
So many questions.
Steve Thomas
Gedney and Woodrow Noble
in JFK Assassination Debate
Posted
David,
One thing we have to is sort out the conflicting reports of the DPD personnel.
1992 FBI interview of Marvin L. Wise. FBI 124-10273-10440
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https://www.oocities.org/capitolhill/senate/5439/Susp_124-10273-10440.html
Steve Thomas