Joe Bauer

HA!

I don't think there is going to be a "sympathy" pro-Trump surge in the polls. I think the polls may actually go up in Biden's favor. Especially if Trump and his wife don't go through anything besides mild symptoms. I think the undecides ( if there ever were any ) may see Trump getting the virus as validation that he truly did wrongly downplay the virus ( even up to the day he got it -"it's going to get better" ) and mask use as well. A Trump negative in their minds. It's a very embarrassing way to be exposed as an irresponsible disinformation spreader. And many voters will obviously keep in mind that Trump could very well develop serious consequences physically and even mentally by being afflicted. Who votes for a candidate who may be incapable of fulfilling his presidential office duties? If Biden himself has a stroke before the election, this would provoke the same reasoning in voter's mind. Watergate reporter Carl Bernstein yesterday framed Trump's affliction as a true national security crisis. Trump being in such a medical state puts the U.S. into a very vulnerable position in almost every way. Don't forget that Trump's friend U.K. P.M. Boris Johnson "almost died" in his recovery battle with the Covid virus! It took Johnson out "big time" and it was months of gradual recovery. I have heard ( admittedly rumors ) that ever since Johnson got the virus he still shows some signs of lingering symptoms such as exhaustion. It wouldn't be hard to believe this rumored claim. We sure don't read or see much of Johnson in the news anything close to what we did before he contracted the virus. For the next weeks we won't know for sure how Trump will be getting through this unless it's some extreme reaction...ie a Boris Johnson life and death struggle or a miraculous non-symptom recovery. But, like the James Bond shouted warning to evil mastermind Auric Goldfinger as Goldfinger has turned to walk away from the bound Bond while a moving metal melting laser beam is zeroing in on Bond's manhood... "Can you afford to take that chance Goldfinger ?" Trump's cult brainwashed supporters will still vote for Trump even if he passes away before the election... however if even "half" the undecideds sense a vote for medically damaged Trump may not be the responsible thing to do, he will lose this November 3rd. On the other hand however, crazily, Trump's inability to travel and have his rallies and to participate in any more debates may actually help him in the polls imo. Why? Because Trump himself says and does outrageous controversial things in these every time that hurt him more than help him. Being taken out of his own impulsive self-damaging spotlight could possibly soften the criticism simply because there is less to criticize. Unless of course he continues to say outrageous national anxiety and shock causing things just as much using his twitter account. But my own warning thoughts for the nation's voters next month ( like Bond in his testicular saving desperation shout to Goldfinger ) "CAN YOU AFFORD TO TAKE THAT CHANCE?" Lastly, Trump being locked down will be devastating mentally for him. The man has adult attention deficit disorder and has to constantly keep moving and occupied with things that allow him to escape from focusing and dealing with anything for longer than short term. He won't be able to escape the White House and fly all around and to golf at his resorts. And how hard will it be to be locked down together for Melania Trump as well?

I've never heard of medical doctors giving a percentage of "chance of recovery" like this one of 90%? Especially at the first moments of positive test results for a 74 year old who is probably in the "obese" fat to body weight range and quite possibly in the moderate or higher hypertension range as well. I don't wish any torturous pain on anyone, but I can't totally shake this kernel of suspicious doubt about anything involving Trump. His history of lying is just too extensive. We all know that many people don't go through really bad pain and suffering with this virus. But a noticeable percentage do, especially in Trump's age, weight and health range group. Chris Cuomo, Brooke Baldwin and many, many other celebrities much younger and lighter than Trump really suffered with their bouts. Well, the stock market isn't doubting Trump's affliction news. When futures fall 500 to 600 points in hours something serious is afoot.

Sorry, but this is the "conspiracy" forum. Hope this isn't a false flag "October Surprise" operation. Where he miraculously doesn't get very sick at all and comes back strong before the election to then say ... "See! It really isn't that bad. You can all quit worrying now. No need to blame me for something not that serious." Another relative of mine has gotten the virus. 51 years old. So far mild symptoms.

I wonder if Trump's brother died from Covid?

Yes. Trump tests positive.

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Going back and viewing other presidential debates, I compared these to Trump's manic bullying interrupting ( 145 times ) over-talking, personal insult attacking ( you're not smart ) and debate rule and moderator abusing performance Tuesday evening. Nixon/Kennedy, Ford/Carter, Bush/Dukakis, Reagan/Mondale, Bush/Clinton/ Perot. OMG! Junior High School election debates are more mature and respectful than this debate! Trump has lowered the bar to drunken saloon or football stadium crazies fight level.

Here's a sick weird contradiction mix truth about Trump's supporters - his base. Law enforcement and ... outlaw biker gangs? Billionaires and ... rural area food stamp, government subsidized medical care and welfare accepting trailer trash? Christian Evangelicals and ... godless corrupt serial 10 commandment violating groups and individuals like Jerry Falwell Jr., Ghislane Maxwell, Roger Stone, Putin, etc.? Catholics and ... anti-semitic, white supremacy Nazi groups? It's just nuts.

Who else's interests does Trump promote and enhance more or even close to than the 1%? Warren Buffet himself stated publicly that his personal wealth increased 23 BILLION dollars the day Trump's tax bill took effect. There isn't a Republican political party anymore. It has been highjacked. It is now the 1% party. One could also call this the "Billionaire Party."

Sounds promising for the Democrats but my concerned thoughts are ... watch out! Trump and his Corporate / Banker / 1% base are the most "super aggressive" power group we have ever seen in American federal government political history. In Trump's 4 year term, he and they have bulldozed over Congress and the rules of Constitutional law so belligerently and blatantly as if they don't even exist. And they are more emboldened than ever by their success. Based on this reality it seems more than likely this drunk with success bully power group would create a nation shocking and frightening "October Surprise" event beyond anything we have ever seen before or could even contemplate. They are that provenly brazen and bold. This isn't baseless Trump fear or hating hyperbole. We have all now seen with our own eyes Trump go to unprecedented extremes in his abuse of the balance of power framework, and time and time again get away with it. Just the appointment of one of his most extreme right wing / 1% authoritarian philosophy sycophants, mega-donor Louis DeJoy, to head the Postal Service is just another example of a political power grab that is outrageously unethical and potentially very dangerous to the voting process this election. The head of the postal service has the power to stress or change the entire mechanism of mail processing which opens the door to the invalidation of millions of mail-in ballots. Here again is another clear and perfect example of Trump bulldozing through an outrageously self-serving political power grab, right in front of the entire nation's eyes and right over an emasculated Congress. Control the postal service and you can quite possibly control the mail-in vote. Heck, this power grab alone may negate the need for a Trump 1% October surprise. Yet, with the super aggressive, power drunk Trump who loves to exercise this power and obsessively increase his own wealth..."It's never enough." As Trump's niece Mary proclaimed in the title of her book about him..."TOO MUCH AND NEVER ENOUGH."

Warren strikes fear into billionaires like Bloomberg because she knows exactly what levers to pull to make them pay. That's why he decided to run. Not out of the goodness of his heart to stop Trump. But to stop Warren, who he called "scary" because she knows how to get it done. Michael Bloomberg called Goldman Sachs bankers his ‘peeps ... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/... Michael Bloomberg called Goldman Sachs bankers his ‘peeps’ and promised to defend them, leaked tape reveals. Trump interrupted Biden 145 times Tuesday night. Women didn’t like that’: Fox News host grills GOP chairwoman after Trump interrupts ‘145 times’ at debate Nationwide Americans Report Watching Debate Caused Anxiety And Stress.

Exactly. I just watched the video. Richard is right. It's so obvious.

Trump rabidly and shamelessly tried to make Hunter Biden one of the main issues. Yet, many of Trump's personal attacks on Biden and his son laughingly exposed his and his children's own failings. Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner's incompetence, suspicious billion dollar 666 Fifth Ave. property bailout and corrupt family history. Daughter Ivanka's $750,000 "consultation" fee payouts. At least Biden's two sons were willing to join the military and serve their country and sacrifice the easy safe life at home ( even despite Hunter's later discharge ) making Trump's boys avoiding this patriotic sacrifice completely hypocritical. Trump kept hammering at Biden as "not smart" pushing Biden's poor grades in college. Didn't Trump sue to keep his own college grades from being made public? Two Trump insiders ( Trump's own sister and niece ) have claimed Trump had others do his college entrance test and often his college course work. Trump's own prolific tweet writing for years looks like a poor Jr. High School effort with constant misspellings and disjointed syntax. Trump's personal tax manipulation history is outrageous. Should have been much more addressed in this debate. Noticed too that when Melania came to Trump after the debate she kept her space. Joe Biden's wife immediately embraced him with a very affectionate hug. As soon as Melania spotted Jill Biden's warm embrace of her husband, she then took her husband's hand, which I guess was her way of mitigating her initial starkly unaffectionate even cold greeting of her man.

Trump's Outrageous Bullying Behavior Turns Debate Into "National Embarrassment." All post debate polls trash Trump by 60% to 30% margins on average. Most common reaction expressed ... "sickening." Repubs blame/trash moderator Wallace. ALTITUDE An Epic Moment of National Shame: The Debate Was an Embarrassment for the Ages Trump shredded the rulebook and any sense of decorum. BY JOHN F. HARRIS

I noticed Wallace gave Trump's Tax scandal just two or minutes of attention before he quickly and sharply cut it off and completely moved on to another subject. Trump's tax release is the main hot news cycle of the last 2 days and Wallace cut the subject off. I believe Biden could have slammed Trump big time if Wallace would have kept the subject going with follow up questions. Wallace's actions in burying this Trump problem was the only suspicious thought I had. It was too obvious. In my immediate internet news search looking for debate commentary I clicked onto Politico and saw an article that reported my exact observation regarding Wallace cutting off the Trump Tax debacle subject which had been posted there within minutes of the debate ending. Someone else noticed this Wallace action and felt it was suspicious like me considering the Trump tax story is the latest big time main news now and all over every news media venue nationwide. Trump seemed horrible in his bullying, interrupting and exaggerated facial grimacing. Trump hardly ever smiles and didn't tonight. Biden smiled almost a little too much but it was infectious ( reminded me of the Grinch!) and better than seeing the Trump scowl. Trump attacked Biden's son and Biden in a great and more presidential sounding response turned to the TV audience and said this wasn't about Trump and Biden's children and attacking them. It was about all the children "out there" in America who may be struggling through these crazy times. And Biden honestly let America know that the Biden son Trump was disparaging had a drug problem during the time he had some failed endeavors, but praised his son's courage to deal with it and to defeat it and said he was proud of his son and loved him! If that honest and compassionate sharing to the American public didn't resonate and touch the tens of millions of American parents who have dealt with the suffering of their children in such common struggles, nothing will. I think this loving father humanity Biden showed toward his son will win him more votes from empathizing parents all across the country than most other issues. Good for you JOE! A loving father you are. I would think that at least some of the 2 or 3 million undecideds in this country had to be far from impressed with stern and angry faced "Il Duce" look alike Trump tonight, especially in his civil debate rule disrespecting and moderator abusing mode.

Interesting. Will watch that scene again. The many great and well known actor cast just added to the dramatic weight of the movie. John Candy grabbed me with his Dean Andrews role. Great NO and Jive/Beat accent that didn't seemed contrived or overdone at all. Jack Lemon, Donald Sutherland, Tommy Jones, so, so many great performances. Kevin Bacon made me laugh. Sashaying about, lines like ..."like a snake in the road"..."you ain't' never been f***ed in the a$$!" " Cause he was Queea", "You're not a bad lookin man Mr. Garrison, we could have some fun..." Rooker, Sanders, Jo Anderson and on and on. Lolita Davidovich as Beverly Oliver...OMG! One of the sexiest looking actresses in a short scene ever imo. Pesci as Ferrie? Didn't work for me. Not the biggest Kevin Costner fan ... but the film needed one of the top three leading men for main role star power. Good looks, honest face. His New Orleans accent was terrible. My recollection was that the real Jim Garrison didn't really have a New Orleans accent. Wasn't he raised in the upper Midwest? My most emotionally touched scene or scenes? Well, Costner's closing statement in the Shaw trial of course. The loud Dealey Plaza bullet shots with no visual scene or dialogue lines. The entire movie theater audience seemed deeply quieted and moved by them . So powerful to present them in that isolated way. I think everyone's stomach and heart sank when those shots rang out. The power of that film moment was the most effecting as audience members knew that those shots represented the most tragic and reality changing moment in American Presidential history along with the Lincoln assassination. You envisioned in your own imagination the brutal slaughter those shots were inflicting. You pictured JFK's head exploding and bloody Jackie in breathless shock, horror and pain.

Ron, was Sam Giancana under 24 hour surveillance during the time he was shot, or not? How did this story of this surveillance get out there? If he was, who was doing the surveillance? I think I may have even seen an episode of "Unsolved Mysteries" on the Giancana killing. Where they mentioned this surveillance, and the mystery of it somehow being breached so that Giancana's killer could get into his home to hit Giancana and then get away. Either with Robert Stack or Dennis Farina.

Trumpfinger ... I understand you are the one who leaked my tax information to the New York Times.

Exactly. Trump gets to write off $750,000 for "Hotel Deal" consulting fees to his daughter? This is for one year? Please. Oh... but it's not "illegal." I can't even write off medical costs my insurance won't cover. Like the three thousand 200 emergency dental bill I'm saddled with over the last 4 months. But Ivanka Trump's expertise in hotel "deal" making garners her 3X more money in one year than most American's have in their entire retirement accounts ... and Trump gets to write this off. RW labels me a "Trump Hater." Nobody hates like Donald Trump.

Even if one bullet hit JFK and Connally I don't see how this makes the JFK shooting any less a conspiracy. Sometimes actors and entertainers do damage their marketability by taking controversial political stands public. Roseanne Barr. Kanye West. Most purposely avoid expressing any political views publicly. Protecting their "made it" status in the most important mission of their lives once they have.

But he hasn't done anything illegal, right Doug? Trump's former fixer attorney for 10 years Michael Cohen opens the door a little on Trump's illegal doings without committing himself in saying Trump actually did do these crimes. Cohen shares mostly anecdotal stories about Trump's personal character and Trump's true feelings about race, women, money, religion, abortion, sex etc. And all are the hypocritical opposite of Trump's created public image. As much as I think Cohen has done a good thing in exposing the true Trump in this way, my gut sense tells me he is still holding back a ton of knowledge regards Trump's involvement in actual criminal endeavors. Perhaps because Cohen himself may have been involved in these? I think Cohen dealt with organized crime people on Trump's behalf more than he will ever admit. I may be wrong...just a gut sense.

Right in front of our faces!

Knowingly overstating your business and personal expense losses for the purpose of lowering or avoiding your tax liability or increasing a tax refund is a breaking of U.S. IRS tax code law. Overstating one's assets and understating liabilities for the purpose of acquiring bank loans under signed oath is fraud. Paying hush monies to Stormy Daniels and Stephanie Clifford using LLC shell games to hide this is what? Especially in the context of campaign finance laws? If Trump never violated any IRS tax laws why not release every tax document he has? And please, don't throw out this ridiculous childish explanation that he has fought doing so simply because his not paying anymore tax than a part time fast food worker pays doesn't look good to the huge majority of hard working Americans that pay way more than he does in tax liability when they make $50,000 a year and Trump makes $450,000,000. And to say...oh, you would do the same thing as Trump if you had his money ... BS! I wouldn't create an IPO to bring in hundreds of millions of dollars from investors to bail out a casino business that was on the verge of collapse and understating the true state of such default, and then soon after the initial infusion of the stock holders money, cash out my huge share of their invested monies, knowing the stock value would soon drop to pennies on the dollar leaving thousands of these uniformed investors holding the bag and losing up to hundreds of thousands of dollars. I wouldn't deal with banks who it has been proven are the biggest money laundering banks in history. I wouldn't deal with organized crime connect characters in shady real estate deals. I wouldn't sell my soul to dictators just to make more money. I wouldn't start phony charities and then illegally use these for financial purposes outside of the charity charter. I wouldn't take nepotism to the shameless level Trump has in placing his immediate family in tax payer funded government employment positions even if they were ridiculously unqualified and inexperienced. I wouldn't encourage millions of people to go against top expert warnings about pandemic protections just to keep the economy looking good enough to improve my re-election chances. Trump is all these worst character traits. Not I. My working class value system is intact. Look, everyone here knows the American income tax system is rigged in favor of the top 10% wealthiest of our society and 10X more rigged for the top 1%. Warren Buffet publicly stated that his personal wealth increased by 23 billion dollars the day Trump's tax bill went into effect. It's legalized stealing in the minds of working class people who never have the chance to lower their tax liabilities through things like placing some sheep on their property to use the "agricultural preserve" loophole such as Trump has done with his New Jersey golf club business. There are so many ridiculous rich person loopholes like this it's obscene. Trump's $70,000 hair styling expense is just another rich person's tax write off scam. Remember when it came out that Mitt Romney used his wife's $50,000 horse riding therapy as a tax expense right off? Even when a wealthy person declares bankruptcy or loses commercial property income...they win! If they lose rent or other business or investment income, they write it off against other income and that is just one way they get out of paying taxes to the point of none in Trump's case. This rich person favoring tax perversion set up is a given that is so widely acknowledged it's the poor and working person's white elephant in the room joke before any discussion about such things.

NY Times Trump tax release report is the lead story on AOL and of course Huffington Post but noticed the big media giants ABC and CBS have this story way down their main news page behind other more important stories like a section of the border wall eroding and Trump's former campaign manager having a mental breakdown with accompanying police action placement in a mental facility. NBC at least has this potential blockbuster Trump scandal story among others on their front internet news page. Like I have said so many times, the main corporate news media has been covering for Trump in their downplaying of his outrageous unethical, power abusing and nation dividing non-leadership since 1,20,2016. If Obama had engaged in one thousandth of the scandals Trump has in his term, calls for Obama's removal from office would be blaring everyday on these main corporate news media front page sites.