Why was Bill Shelley put in a police car and taken down to the police station in the first place?

Wasn't Shelley a supervisor? Didn't general manager Roy Truly tell the DPD who he was and vouched for his position of responsibility credibility and innocence?

The jacketless man in the above photo is wearing a white dress shirt and thin tie.

Again, this picture was taken on 11,22,1963. It is Bill Shelley.

Was the red-haired man photographed on 11,22,1963 as well?

So, how can the red-haired man be Shelley when we have several photos of the real Shelley that day, dressed so differently than the red-haired man?

Sandy, with all due respect, what I see in the Zapruder film clip above is a flap blow out much further ahead than not just the back of the skull but even the right rear area behind the right-side ear.

To me the flap blowout shown in the film is clearly above and even forward of JFK's right ear.

Hill and 20 others always placed their location placing hand to an area between JFK's right ear and the full back of his head. No one places their hand above and slightly forward of his right-side ear.

7 hours ago, Alan Ford said:

Respectfully, Mr. Bauer, I disagree. The man in Hughes has red hair (an unusual feature) that clearly goes high above his forehead. He's at some distance from Mr. Hughes' camera, so the assumption that the Shelley 'pompadour' would show is IMO misplaced-------------

Wait a minute!

Is the dorky red-haired guy in the above photo also sporting a beard?

AND...aren't there photos of Bill Shelley in front of the TXSBD just minutes after JFK was hit that show him in his usual clothing style of dress shirt, tie and coat?

What day is the photo of the red-haired man above?

15 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

Was Bill Newman prepared to see what was about to happen? No! He was looking at Kennedy from his right side when he was shot. He had no time to study it and assumed that he was seeing blood shoot out of the right side of Kennedy's head. What he didn't realize was that, when Kennedy was shot in the head, his head was turned and facing Jackie. The back of Kennedy's head was facing Newman at that time. Newman saw the blood shoot out of he back of the head, though he thought it was the right side.

Anyway, it is silly to believe a couple of witnesses who had no chance to study the wound and to believe their testimony trumps the 20 Parkland doctors and nurses who saw the wound for several minutes -- some of them very closely -- and the others Michael commented on.

 

Zapruder Film Restored HD

My goodness!

Looking at those Bill Shelley pics above...the background man in the Oswald New Orleans flyer passing photo resembles EXACTLY the picture of Bill Shelley in front of the Texas School Book Depository building photo just minutes after JFK was hit in Dealey Plaza!

Same bony facial structure, Deep set eyes and cheeks. Same exact hair style. Same color. Same ears. Same skinny neck.

Same exact coat, shirt and tie, their style and the way they fit around his shoulders and neck.

That IS Shelley in New Orleans with Oswald folks!

IMO anyways.

Didn't Bill Shelley sport a distinctively pronounced "Everly Brothers" type pompadour hair style?

A hugely high curl lift in front so unnatural it had to be stiffened with a big glob of axle grease type consistency hair gel called "Dixie Peach" pomade? 

The red headed guy in the pictures above has no such pronounced pompadour.

He has no hair style at all. His looks like a dorky butch cut if you ask me. He looks more like Eric Trump than Bill Shelley imo.

The Zapruder film clearly shows a large flap of skull blowing outward from the right side of JFK's head, just above his right ear and even a little faceward.

Bill Newman and his wife and two young boys were just "15 feet" away from JFK and directly even with the limo when JFK was hit.

A perfect close up viewing point.

Interviewed soon after on local TV Bill Newman described what he witnessed regards JFK's head wound. He said he saw a large chunk of bone "blowed off" near JFK's ear area.

I've viewed the Z film over 1,000 times. What Newman described is exactly what I see in my viewing. I don't know how anyone can dispute such a clear view of that injury.

What I also see regards the initial impact of the head shot however (when viewing the Z film in extremely slow motion) is the top of JFK's skull being lifted up in a gross skull bone shattering deformation way. You can see this by noticing the hair on the top part of JFK's head lifting unevenly.

I feel that the rear skull entering missile was so explosive it was shattering the top part of JFK's skull as it traversed through it back to front forwardly.

That missile also could have ripped open the bone flap near the upper right-side ear location upon exiting.

The bullet that struck JFK in the head was so devastatingly destructive, I believe it shattered a good portion of the back of his skull at it's entrance point, as well as the top of the skull and then the blown off skull on the upper right side of JFK's head.

Bone was immediately missing from JFK's skull upon the bullet strike hit, right?

 And I assume the story of someone finding one blown off bit of skull in the street later was true.

Was the blown off bone chunk or chunks from the back side of JFK's skull?

If Aubrey Rike felt sharp bone edges on the back of JFK's head, it could prove that the blown off skull bone came from that area.

Here is the debatable dilemma.

Could a bullet entering JFK's skull from behind shatter a fist sized portion of it upon entering. So explosively it blew it out backwards and away?

Same with the brain matter underneath that blown away skull part.

Hill said he could look into the skull hole and see that there was no brain matter underneath. Or, at least to a depth significant enough to make it appear missing upon a quick look.

14 hours ago, Michael Griffith said:

For those who might be interested, I have published a new book on the JFK assassination. It is titled A Comforting Lie: The Myth that a Lone Gunman Killed President Kennedy. The book is available as a paperback and as a Kindle book on Amazon (LINK). Here is the table of contents:

Introduction    
Part 1: The Investigations
Chapter 1    The Warren Commission and the Basic Elements of the Lone-Gunman Theory
Chapter 2    The Forgotten Investigation: The House Select Committee on Assassinations
Chapter 3    The Assassination Records Review Board: Historic Disclosures
Part 2: Bullets, Marksmanship, Film, and Suspicious Events 
Chapter 4    Too Many Bullets, Too Many Misses
Chapter 5    Too Many Shot Reactions in the Zapruder Film
Chapter 6    The Wounding of James Tague: A Fatal Blow to the Lone-Gunman Theory
Chapter 7    The Impossible Feat: Oswald’s Marksmanship and His Alleged Shooting Performance
Chapter 8    Suspicious Events in Dealey Plaza
Chapter 9    An Easy Target: The Suspicious and Unusual Lack of Security in Dealey Plaza
Part 3: A Look at Some of the Medical and Physical Evidence
Chapter 10    The 6.5 mm Object: Evidence of Fraud in the Autopsy X-Rays
Chapter 11    The Bullet Fragments in the Back of the Skull Refute the Lone-Gunman Theory
Chapter 12    The Vanishing Low Fragment Trail on the Autopsy Skull X-Rays
Chapter 13    The Strange White Patch
Chapter 14    The Autopsy Report vs. the Autopsy Photos of the Brain
Chapter 15    Too Much Brain: The Impossible Autopsy Photos of the Brain
Chapter 16    The Head Shot from the Front
Chapter 17    The Dented Bullet Shell: Hard Evidence of Conspiracy in the JFK Assassination
Part 4: A Disturbing Pattern of Death
Chapter 18    Suspicious Deaths
Part 5: Understanding and Appreciating JFK’s Presidency
Chapter 19    Was JFK Bad for America?
Chapter 20    JFK and Vietnam
Final Thoughts
Bibliography and References
Index

As you will notice from the pricing, I am not looking to get rich off the book. The Kindle version is only $9.99, and the paperback is only $23 even though it is over 600 pages long (however, the pages read quickly because the font is Arial 11 and the line spacing is 1.1). 

The Introduction, Chapter 1, and part of Chapter 2 are included in the free Kindle sample.  

No mention of the bullet circumference shaped indentation with uplifted metal ( hard steel ) on it's edges in the inside portion of the front windshield frame that faced the TXSBD building?

One that no one could remember seeing before 11,22,1963? Not those who cared for the limo, not those who shipped it, not those that had driven it many times before.

One main thing in my now 72 year long life I have learned that is so important to keep in mind on a daily basis is knowing and believing that the huge majority of people really want to do the right thing in a multi-religion tenant teaching way.

And they really do live this way as best they can.

It is so easy to become overly cynical to a degree you start thinking the worst of others way too often and to a point of your own mental health detriment.

And sadly, we are now inundated daily with the worst news of the bad doings of others so much more than ever before imo.

The balance of controlling exposure to such is a crisis level challenge. Especially now-a-days and for our younger generations.

The JFKA and RFK and MLK assassinations are inherently incredibly cynical events.

It's always been a challenge for me to keep a balance in studying them and keeping my faith in our own society's good morality intentions and courage to want to know the truth surrounding those abominable crimes.

There has always been a thousand points of fact in the JFKA event history that are debatably beyond mere speculation that cause one to in the least, rationally consider and even strongly suspect what Grassy Knoll smoke observing salt of the Earth Dallas railroad man Richard C. Dodd proclaimed ...

Well, when a man can get shot handcuffed to a couple of policemens and get away with it, why, I figure somethin' else is a goin' on besides what should be."

The Witnesses: Richard C. Dodd

National JFKA lone gunman vs. conspiracy polls should be interpreted for their worthiness using another big basic consideration factor besides age, education, income parameters, etc.

I am guessing that 90 to 95% of people questioned in these polls know so little about the full spectrum of JFKA research findings relative to the small number who do ( let alone the ability and/or time to adequately study, contemplate and discern the massive body of such) that this informed measurement dynamic must always be one of the main qualifications for determining their validity.

How can a criminal trial courtroom jury make a fair guilty or not guilty verdict decision if they are so ignorant of the facts of evidence ( or they don't understand them ) they can't even explain the reasons for their decision except for quoting the most simple-minded of sound bite arguments "if the gloves don't fit, you must acquit!" ?

Yet, still, in this social experiment trial of the one gunman vs conspiracy JFKA case, what limited general information the relatively uniformed 90% has been exposed to in their lifetimes has made 65% of them believe the conspiracy guilty party angle versus the lone gunman one.

And that is 100% due to the massive 60 year long public awareness effort of JFKA researchers who have managed to defeat the huge WC finding promoting propaganda machine that has tried to convince our society otherwise.

I believe that the higher lone gunman opinion group of academics and wealthier people are more of a mind set of " I'm educated" so I need more solid fact convincing.

But educated in what fields of interests and training?

If they aren't well educated in the field of research of the JFKA then their higher education backgrounds aren't worth a hill of beans in this debate...imo anyways.

On 11/13/2023 at 9:10 AM, Sandy Larsen said:

 

So, Howard Hunt confessed to JFK having an affair with Mary Meyer. Not exactly convincing.

The love letters pointed out by Cory are much more convincing. If somebody can show they've been authenticated, I'll be convinced. At the moment I just believe it is likely.

 

You can be sure that Mary Meyer's sister Toni, married to Washington Post editor Ben Bradlee, would have known whether Mary was having trysts with JFK and Bradlee and James Angleton knowing this as well.

If she wasn't, I don't think they would be breaking into her garage or studio to find her red book within hours of her murder.

GJ, totally agree.

The average American had no clue as to the racist, corrupt make up Henry Wade.

The guy was the poster boy of good-ole-boy Southern segregationist minded prosecutors during that time.

Here's a DA who after just "two days" of investigation into Oswald as the killer of JFK said to the world press...he was convinced of Oswald's guilt to moral certainty.

And immediately after Oswald was eliminated closed the JFK case?

Really?

I wonder what polls would show regards Americans feeling that the Oswald killing by Jack Ruby was a conspiracy versus just dumb luck on Ruby's part.

Surprising to me that the polls still show 2/3rds of respondents still reject the official WC line of a lone gunman.

My guess was that most Americans under the age of 50 are just not interested in the subject enough to even state an opinion or belief either way. And with that number increasing with each 10 year younger age.

I am certain that one proven success of the 60 year long effort of JFKA researchers and authors is that they have presented enough evidence of a conspiracy that is stronger and makes more sense to anyone interested enough in the event to form an opinion regards a lone gunman versus a conspiracy.

Nice time to let America know JFK was much more flawed than his Camelot image portrayed.

The anniversary of his monstrously brutal head exploding murder inches from his horrifically traumatized wife's face in broad daylight public.

Knott and his book are praised for presenting us "a more balanced" view to correct the overly romanticized legacy of JFK and his presidency.

Oh, the official historical record integrity damaging shame!

Just what we need to hear during these days of deepest loss mourning of JFK's death remembrance. 

Choosing JFK's debatably over romanticized legacy to "correct" at "this particular time" is kind of politically incorrect perverse, even cringing imo.

Couldn't be book sale monetary gain motivation timing at play here?

How about instead "balancing" the official legacies of LBJ, Nixon, Hoover, even Reagan which are far more overly whitewashed and grand than JFK's ever was/is.

And I propose a true iconic reality to counter Knott's Camelot JFK legacy downplaying "correction." One that doesn't need exaggerated romanticizing.

JFK and Jackie Kennedy had transcended every other American president and their first lady's legacies to a new and unprecedented degree.

Besides inspiring our young people like no president before and since, JFK ( and Jackie ) had also inspired and become admired, even adored by half the world's population!

This was just a fact and was truly unprecedented.

People in every country, rich and poor had pictures of JFK ( and often Jackie with him ) hanging on their walls.

Maybe tens of millions or more of the world's citizens? !!!

Even Lee and Marina Oswald kept a JFK Time Magazine cover picture on their table top!

In JFK's 3 year term his and Jackie's images were daily on the covers of the most popular celebrity and news magazines and newspapers in every major city and in every country.

Jackie the beautiful and loving young mother. JFK the young, vigorous and inspiring leader of the most powerful nation on Earth.

This phenomena had taken hold not just because of their incredible physical beauty attraction - young and vigorous with great smiling warmth of personality and even an added intellectual multi-lingual classiness (Jackie) but also something beyond the physical.

I propose it was JFK's perceived image as a man of world peace seeking and economic fairness humanity.                   

JFK's speeches ( see his American University peace speech below ) and policies and actions were more and more reflective of less world tension. He talked about peace, cooperation, nuclear disarmament.     

He talked about civil rights for all citizens regardless of color. He seemed to want to give third world countries at least some chance at breaking free from colonization control and exploitation.

JFK and Jackie inspired hope for a better world in so many respects, especially for the poor which is always the great majority of the world's population.

I have always sensed that 90% of Americans during JFK's presidency and ever since have never really realized how popular JFK and Jackie Kennedy were ( worldwide ) in their day.

This admiring was on a level of wall picture hanging adoration. No matter the dwelling from mansions to huts. 

Millions of poor people in India, Africa, Central and South America.

It wouldn't surprise me if a JFK and Jackie picture or two were displayed among the tribes of the Amazon and/or the Aboriginal Outback of Australia.

I don't have scientific study data to prove my hypotheses of this worldwide phenomena of JFK/Jackie inspirational popularity to a degree that was beyond anything in American presidential history and that makes a debate of JFK's Camelot legacy being over-hyped meaningless.

I'll leave my proposal of this JFK reality ( as unacademically and anecdotally presented as it is ) to the critics who will surely downplay it in more intellectual terms than I can articulate.

My over-all point in this essay however, is to at least present my opinion and view that Knott's book thrust of a need to "balance" what he sees as an overhyped JFK Camelot legacy and it's harm to historical accuracy is ludicrously meaningless compared to the true inspirational legacy of JFK worldwide.

No president since JFK has ever come close to the effect he had on the world as a whole during his 3 year term.

Not only was America devastated by JFK's brutal slaughter, but much of the entire world was too.

How's that for an American President's iconically grand and noble historical legacy?

The more important presidential legacy falsities and misperceptions and that truly undermine the integrity of our official historical records are the huge corruption truths of presidents like LBJ and Nixon. As well as the corruption of J. Edgar Hoover and the way over-hyped achievements of Reagan.

IMO anyways.

 "So, let us not be blind to our differences — but let us also direct attention to our common interests and to the means by which those differences can be resolved. And if we cannot end now our differences, at least we can help make the world safe for diversity. For, in the final analysis, our most basic common link is that we all inhabit this small planet. We all breathe the same air. We all cherish our children’s future. And we are all mortal.”

— JFK’s commencement speech at American University, June 10, 1963.

59 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

There is some good evidence that Kennedy had an affair with Meyer. If it has been been authenticated, then I accept that he had that affair.

Confession of Howard Hunt

Legendary CIA spy and convicted Watergate conspirator E. Howard Hunt.

Before his death in January 2007, CIA master spy and convicted Watergate conspirator Howard Hunt confessed to being peripherally involved in the assassination of President Kennedy, and named several other participants.

In notes and conversations with his son Saint John, and in an audiotape he created in 2004 to be played after his death, Hunt described being invited into the "big event" at a Miami safehouse in 1963. Others named in the plot:

• Frank Sturgis, an anti-Castro paramilitary closely associated with Hunt. Sturgis was one of the Watergate burglars.
• David Morales, Chief of Operations at the CIA's JMWAVE station in Miami. Morales himself told a few close associates of his involvement.
• David Phillips, CIA propaganda specialist and later Chief of Western Hemisphere Division. Phillips was assigned to Mexico City during the mysterious trip of Lee Harvey Oswald, or someone using his name, to that city in the fall of 1963.
• Antonio Veciana, Cuban exile leader of Alpha 66. Veciana told the HSCA that a "Maurice Bishop," thought by many to be Phillips, pointed out Lee Harvey Oswald to him.
• William Harvey, a CIA officer who ran the ZR/RIFLE "executive action" program. Harvey fell out of favor with the Kennedys when he sent sabotage teams into Cuba during the 1962 Missile Crisis.
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• Cord Meyer, a high-level CIA officer whose ex-wife Mary Meyer was having an affair with JFK.

Way more JFK and JFKA books and articles coming out for the 60th anniversary than I had imagined.

This fellow's book was released a while ago. But it's getting promoted again during the JFKA anniversary media push.

He just had to tell us JFK wasn't as romantically brave, courageous and heroic as Jackie Kennedy portrayed him in her first interview after his death.

Any comments?

Go Kid Rock.

Looking cool man. Wearing shades at night.

Surprised Mike Tyson, Roseanne Barr and Kanye West aren't in that circus act.

33 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

I believe that Linnie Mae Randall was a CIA asset and that she was instructed by the CIA to plant the story of the large bag.

Sandy, you are joking...right?

Too bad Lee Oswald and Wesley Frazier didn't agree to go in together and share an apartment. One closer to Ruth Paine's and Wesley's sister's house than Oswald's dinky, claustrophobic and no privacy room in Oak Cliff.

Wesley F. would have gotten a real bed to sleep on and his sister and her family would have gotten back their couch and privacy in their small home.

Lee O. wouldn't have to take that long bus trip back and forth from the TXSBD every weekday.

What a good thing that arrangement would have been.

Speculation about Buell Wesley Frazier being part of any conspiracy has always seemed ridiculous to me.

To those who have had any thoughts that he may have been, I ask you:

When you first saw a 19 year old Frazier being mentioned and photographed in the national press during those days, weeks and months right after 11,22,1963 and even heard him speak, did you and/or do you honestly believe that this young man was sophisticated or intelligent sounding enough to be involved in anything more than a just getting by life with a lowest pay $1.25 an hour job and sleeping on his sister's couch?

The young man had just left his poor rural upbringing for the first time to try and make it in the freeway and tall building big city. His only possession of meaningful and helpful value was a junky older car whose battery failed so many times he would keep it running after he arrived anywhere to hopefully keep it from being dead after work.

His highest fashion clothing piece was a polyester Chinese dragon adorned waist cut jacket.

I'm not mocking Frazier. I always admired what I saw to be genuine honesty and good moral character and especially kindness and generosity, as shown by his friendly and patient mentoring of Oswald on his new job at the TXSBD and even sharing of rides with Oswald without ever asking for a nickel in return.

But involvement with anything more nefarious than his minimum wage book sorting work and couch sharing with his sister and her family is simply ludicrous imo.

Frazier was no young E. Howard Hunt.

10 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Joe:

Are you familiar with all of Plumlee's story and how long its been around?

Honestly, no.

But my main point is, if Hunt was in Dallas that day, he obviously was flown there.

His children's recollections did not mention their dad being gone from their home for several days before 11,22,1963. Only that day and maybe the day before.

In an interview with the Los Angeles Times, St. John Hunt does admit to telling previous lies about his dad's whereabouts on that fateful day. He says he was instructed by Hunt in 1974 to back up an alibi for his whereabouts. "I did a lot of lying for my father in those days," St. John confessed. E. Howard Hunt's most frequently used alibi for that day was that he was at his Potomac, Maryland home watching TV with his children.

Yet, asked in a Slate interview in 2004 about "conspiracy theories about your being in Dallas the day JFK was killed," E. Howard Hunt nervously replied "No comment."

Regards the BYP above:

What ring is that on Oswald's right hand ring finger?

I am guessing that American city Russian communities of any size would have had members who spied on each other for the Russian government.

I wondered who in the Dallas White Russian Community was one of these.

Growing up from the 1950's and 60's within just a mile or two next to the Defense Language Institute here in Monterey, I went to primary school with many children whose Russian parents taught there.

These parents were born in Russia.

Yes, San Francisco has always had a good-sized Russian community.

I once had to see a top doctor at Mount Zion Medical Center/Hospital in San Francisco 16 years ago. Pretty large complex. Many offices, hundreds of staff.

I noticed something quirky about the employees of our specialty unit.

Upon getting registered and hearing the office staff conversing with each other, I noticed everyone spoke with a Russian accent. The staff was entirely of Russian ethnicity. And even more odd, the staff was entirely female and I recall almost every one was on the younger age side and very attractive. Like an entire staff of Marina Oswalds.

If Hunt was actually in Dallas on 11,22,1963 he got there sooner than it took to drive there from his home in Potomac, Maryland.

Didn't his children say it was only the day of 11,22,1963 that they didn't recall his presence? 

And of course if he went to Dallas that day he would have flown. And of course via a CIA contracted private plane.

Tosh Plumlee was known to pilot such flights no?

David Ferrie too?

Knowing this fact, why dismiss Plumlee and his Red Bird airport story out-of-hand?