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Never forget the ominous coincidence that the Texas School Book Depository building was owned by super wealthy, extreme right wing Texas oil man and JFK hater D. H. Byrd.

Texas oil barons were the wealthiest men on Earth in 1963.

And JFK was the most hated enemy of their cabal.

JFK wanted to end their Oil Depletion tax exemption rip-off scam.

Here's something else to chew on regards D. H. Byrd. Co-founder of the Civil Air Patrol.

After Mac Wallace was convicted of murdering his wife's paramour Doug Kinzer and then immediately released by the presiding judge, he was hired by and made a manager with a company titled Ling-Temco-Vought corporation "LTV."

Owned by whom you may ask?

D.H. Byrd of course, in partnership with Ling and Vought.

LBJ's hitman boy Wallace was taken care of by LBJ's friend D.H. Byrd.

It's all a connected web.

11 hours ago, Marcus Fuller said:

I've been thinking about this a lot lately so I thought I'd start a thread and hopefully get the thoughts and opinions of those on the forum. I'm not referring here to the all the various discussions and bones of contention within the JFK Assassination topic, just the overall claim that Lee Harvey Oswald was a lone nut assassin and killed President Kennedy and Patrolman J.D Tippit.

As far as I'm aware the burden of proof here lies with those who insist Oswald was guilty, or at least those on the side of the would-be prosecution. But even with my fairly limited knowledge of the subject I don't think that the burden of proof has been met. 

Since I started to look into the topic in an attempt to learn more about it I've noticed a lot of arguments online where those who support the lone gunman theory seem to make various assertions, not back any of them up and then insist that if their opposition cannot come up with a suitable alternative, they 'win' the argument by default. You then have various people who don't accept the standard explanation trying to argue the tiny points and wasting their own time, instead of just saying, 'prove it'! 

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts.

There are so many hugely intriguing suspicious and contrary facts and background histories surrounding not just the main characters involved in the JFKA but also the 1st, 2nd and even 3rd level peripheral ones that a normally curious and contemplative person ( especially fans of true crime novels ) could almost not help wanting to know more about the whole affair.

The event was, still is and always will be one of the greatest unsolved criminal act mysteries ever.

Yet, trying to get a somewhat informed grasp of the entire event story could be compared to chasing a ghost.

A daunting and often times consuming effort that could take up years of one's life. There's just too much there!

In my case, at times I felt I was under a curiosity feeding drug ( like not being able to put the greatest crime novel I've ever read down" that compelled me to delve into the larger picture of all these actors.

Many of which had some direct and/or indirect involvement with and connections to not just massively wealthy and powerful JFK hating groups but also to many branches of our own government - city, state and national, especially ones of security, military and intelligence.

And as known - other governments as well.

I would warn any young person thinking about seriously studying the JFKA and perhaps even the RFK and MLK ones as well...do you really want to go there?

The first time main reason I was infected with great interest and especially suspicion about the JFKA was when I personally watched Jack Ruby shoot Oswald "live" on TV on 11,24,1963 right inside the Dallas PD building as I laid on my bed watching the transfer.

When the BANG loudly boomed out I involuntarily leaped off my bed in one 12 year old athletic feat motion and ( again involuntarily ) yelled out to no one "NO WAY", "NO WAY", "NO WAY" over and over.

Oswald's live on national TV broadcast shooting was dramatically so powerful and deeply traumatizing as well to a serious degree.

Not just for me...but the entire country!

My gut was only 12 years old when Jack Ruby blew Lee Oswald away but even at that young age it instantly told me there was something very, very wrong ( even sinister ) with that picture.

To this day 60 years later I am just as suspicious of Oswald's killing right inside of the Dallas PD building packed with 70 armed security personnel as I was as a 12 year old.

Oswald was not only the most threatened criminal suspect in American history, but the most important one as well...as long as he was alive.

How the Dallas PD chose to move Oswald in broad daylight ( ignoring serious and wise advice to do this at night and away from the press ) and to ALSO BROADCAST THE MOVING TIME ( even in a general time frame ) to the general public was literally crazy and shouted out logical and common sense thought suspicion.

And THEN to parade Oswald so openly on his perp walk by the last risk factor packed crowd of press who were within feet of the transport car and which provided cover for the gun toting Ruby who was able to get within inches of Oswald's gut again "forces" anyone of common sense to doubt the official story and want to know more.

Like 200 million other Americans I knew that the JFKA truth was destroyed that day. And at the hands of a sleazy Dallas strip joint owner who "claimed" he did what he did to prove Jews had guts and to avenge Jackie Kennedy and to save her any more grief by having to deal with an inevitable trial of Lee Harvey Oswald.

7 hours ago, Gil Jesus said:

Meanwhile in Dallas, Warren Caster, regional manager for Southwest Publishing Company, brings two rifles into the Texas School Book Depository, a 30.06 deer rifle for himself ( described as a "Mauser" ) and a .22 caliber rifle he claims is a Christmas gift for his son. The rifles are examined by TSBD manager Roy Truly and Supervisor William Shelley. This action is witnessed by Lee Harvey Oswald, who tells the Dallas Police of it after his arrest.

So, the only way Fritz and Curry knew about this Book Depository gun show fact was because Oswald told them of it?

Not one of those who were part of it or witnessed it or otherwise knew of it besides Oswald ever volunteered it's occurrence?

7 hours ago, Gil Jesus said:

November 9, 1963: Miami Police informant Willie Somerset recorded a breakfast meeting with his friend Joseph Milteer, who outlined the assassination of President Kennedy. Milteer was taped by Somerset as he spoke of Kennedy's coming visit to Miami on November 18th:

 

The above video is one of the most astounding JFKA related ones ever imo.

I've always been suspicious about it's lack of exposure, coverage and discussion in the larger picture of the actual scenario that took place in Dallas just two weeks after the tape was made in Miami. The main stream media in particular.

JFK's SS team top to bottom ( almost the same in Miami as Dallas ) had to have been told of Joseph Milteer's JFK killing prediction before Dallas which described in advance the shooting in such incredible detail and uncanny accuracy any police investigation should have gone after Milteer with every ounce of effort they could muster.

Milteer should have been one of the top 3 suspects on everyone's radar based on his too accurate taped JFK killing scenario prediction alone.

After viewing the above video, I sense that the Miami Police officer in it was deeply affected not just by the fact that JFK was killed exactly how Milteer predicted he would be in Dallas just two weeks after their taping of him, but I believe he was also deeply troubled by the fact that JFK's SS detail and also the Dallas PD and even the FBI did exactly what his police department probably warned them not to do.

To leave open windows in Dallas higher storied buildings unchecked or even prohibited and to ignore placing security on building roof tops at the same time.

The Miami police knew how rabid the hatred of JFK was in their city with not just hot-headed Cubans but also violent extremist segregationists like Milteer.

And one can be sure that the Miami police knew that right wing extremist and segregationist Dallas was as dangerous a place for JFK to visit as Miami was at that time.

On 9/5/2017 at 10:14 PM, Joe Bauer said:

David Andrews, I don't know anything about May Newman's early personal background but I "assume" she was born and raised in Ireland.

Her accent sure indicates such.

And she remained a "seamstress and companion" all of her 36 years working as a domestic for Virginia Murchison.

That would indicate to me that Ms. Newman probably wasn't highly educated and perhaps even poor growing up in Ireland.

And from her age appearance in the TMWKK documentary video ( which was what ... almost 40 years after 1963? )  and with Newman claiming she had only started working for Virginia Murchison 1 or 2 years previous to 11, 21, 1963, she must have been a fairly young woman at that time.

So, you have a young woman raised in another country and who obviously wasn't studying "International Relations" at the University Of Dublin.

J. Edgar Hoover was someone a young person raised poor in Ireland like Newman might easily have never heard about in her daily circles and discussions there. Hence, her claim of not knowing who Hoover was seems logically believable. 

Thought I'd bump this older thread which was a very interesting one imo.

6 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

For some reason I thought this quote, less the threat and promise, came from his longtime black woman cook.  Maybe Mastermind, I'll look a little tomorrow, though it sill reaches the wrong conclusion.  LBJ was not the mastermind, he was used too. 

I believe LBJ knew full well JFK was going to be taken out...ahead of time.

Nixon is on video tape making an ominous inference to LBJ having some part in the JFKA through the mask of an insider joke ...
"You know that Lyndon...he never liked to be number two."

I have also totally believed Murchison maid Mae Newman's story about the 11, 21, 1963 Murchison meet up where J. Edgar Hoover flew in and was picked up by Newman's fellow Murchison house staff employee Jules Feiffer ( spelling? )

Newman also mentioned the main Murchison family cook by name and recounted one-on-one conversations she had with both her and Feiffer concerning Hoover specifically, with Hoover's name ( and even Hoover's nickname "Bulldog"  clearly mentioned that evening. 

I also believe Newman's recounting of how the caviar and champagne flowed in the Murchison household for a week after JFK's slaughter. And how it seemed to her that she ( Newman ) was the only one grieving for JFK and his family during all that celebrating. Newman choked up a bit and her speech was halted and she glanced away for a second when she recounted the grief she alone felt for JFK. 

If Newman's story ( and her emotions while sharing it ) in that documentary interview were contrived, the woman missed her calling in the career department. She should have been in British theater. 

Newman's story and emotional demeanor in sharing it in the TMWKK interview comes across to me as one of the most sincere and honest and least contrived I have seen in this whole affair. 

8 hours ago, Ken Davies said:

Roger to that!

HA!

Over and out.

Just listened to the 5 minute long segment of the WTAM radio interview of Landis.

Listen to this everybody!

 Landis says he placed his Presidential limousine found bullet right on the end of the gurney JFK was brought into Parkland hospital Trauma Room 1 on. Next to his feet.  While it was in Trauma Room 1.

Or, is he saying he placed the bullet next to JFK's bare feet while JFK's body was placed on the exam table?

Assuming he placed the bullet on JFK's gurney, soon enough the gurney was taken out of Trauma Room 1 and moved to some other hallway location...correct?

No one lifting JFK's body off the gurney onto the exam table or pushing the empty gurney out and farther down the hall noticed a 1 1/2 inch to 2 inch long shiny brass metal bullet right there on it while doing so?

Landis clearly waffled when asked whether he believed Oswald was the lone shooter.

At first he said yes, then he immediately backed off of his sureness and said he really wasn't sure exactly what happened and even stated he had his own theories as to what happened. Then he quickly changed the subject.

That response to the interviewer's question as to whether he "Landis" believed Oswald was the lone shooter, but then immediately backing off of that belief is the bomb shell of the entire interview imo.

Landis definitely backed off the Oswald lone gunman finding more than standing by it.

I find Landis's obliviousness to the importance of his almost intact bullet as evidence preposterous.

If I am Landis, my first thought when finding that bullet would have been to hand it over to my superior agent boss. Knowing immediately that the bullet was an incredibly important piece of evidence.

Pocketing it and then haphazardly placing it on JFK's gurney ( while the gurney was in Trauma Room 1 ) seems so ignorantly negligent and irresponsible it's absurd.

"After tomorrow those damn Kennedy's will never embarrass me again. That's no threat, that's a promise."

LBJ to his nineteen year long mistress Madeline Brown.

10 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

https://archive.harpers.org/1980/01/pdf/HarpersMagazine-1980-01-0024256.pdf

I don't know if EF-JFK'ers will be able to download this one or not. Sometimes the Harpers website allows a downloading, and sometimes wants a subscription. Maybe a tech sharpie can make a link for us. 

It is an article by Jim Hougan, back when real stories might run in magazines. 

Among many other factors, the lengthy article ponders the inexplicable actions of James McCord, the Watergate burglar who seemed to want to get caught. 

E Howard Hunt and Sturgis, two names associated with the JFKA, were on the Watergate burglary team, along with other CIA'ers. 

This is worth reading---even more so, as scholar John Newman recently ID'ed McCord as a possible Russian double-agent, and related somehow to the handling of LHO. 

Strange stuff. 

You think you know what happened in certain public events? Wait 50 years....

With all the deeply hidden truth secrets uncovered ( and proven to be true ) in the JFKA research effort the last 60 years...nothing would surprise me regards a story like this also being true.

McCord did seem to be a person of many faces and agendas different even from the usual suspects like Hunt, G. Gordon Liddy, etc.

1 hour ago, Pat Speer said:

In recent years, Frazier has been forthcoming on this point. He knew he looked and sounded like a rube, and that city folks would have trouble believing him. This fueled his desire to keep a low profile. When he did start speaking at conferences and such, he was relieved that so many seemed to accept him. 

 

His honesty and sincerity came through despite his limited vocabulary.

1 hour ago, Douglas Caddy said:

Easy to confuse spelling of Banister with Bannister, the latter being who set a running track record in an early part of the lives of us who are seniors.

Sir Roger Gilbert Bannister CH CBE FRCP (23 March 1929 – 3 March 2018) was an English neurologist and middle-distance athlete who ran the first sub-4-minute mile.

Viewing many news clips over the years of Frazier when he was 19 and listening to his brief answer speaking during that time frame as well, my first impression of him was that he was almost backwoods illiterate.

Not saying this in an insulting or derogatory way. He just came across as someone who may have been raised in a very rural and poor economic level environment.

Yet, raised with Christian value honesty and morality good teaching.

Buell was just a squirrel hunt'n country boy "kid" when he met Oswald.

19 ?

Definitely not sharp and sophisticated enough to be in on something as big as the JFKA.

And his smoke spewing, back firing old Buick clunker with missing hubcaps and a battery that died when he'd least expect it to does not sound like the kind of transport a spy team would use in their scheming.

Did Frazier describe his military service in talks or a book?

What was his duty classification. How long did he serve and where?

Did he like the military and do well in his service time?

2 hours ago, Greg Doudna said:

Buell Frazier in my opinion has been one of the most sympathetic figures. At 19 years old, he showed courage in standing up to the force of Fritz attempting to (a) pressure him into signing something putting him in complicity with the assassination, and (b) many attempts to get him to change his length estimate of the paper bag he saw Oswald bring to work the morning of the assassination. Fritz terrorized the kid. But Buell stuck to what he knew was the truth. And from all accounts, has been a decent and good man the rest of his life.  

Frazier bravely told Will Fritz something close to:

"If you hit me we's gonna have one hell of a fight."

Now THAT took guts.

And it's my understanding the Frazier never once asked for nor ever took one nickel from Oswald during all the times he transported Oswald to and from work.

Gas may have been cheap back in those days, but it wasn't free.

And it sounds as if penny pincher Oswald never offered one nickel on his own to Frazier to help with gas.

And yet, Frazier never once complained to anyone about this, including the rest of his life and giving maybe 100 talks about it.

Instead Frazier has always had nothing but good to say about Oswald this entire last sixty years.

Frazier about Oswald:

Lee was a nice feller. He was quiet. He did like talking about his babies. Lee liked children and they liked him.

Lee was a quick learner at work. I liked Lee.

Viggo M. is a favorite of mine.

I sure hope he doesn't decide to participate in this JFKA truth muddling and distracting project.

Buell Wesley Frazier in his younger days and a rare pic of him in the army?

4 hours ago, Matt Allison said:

Of the SS agents in Dallas, the hardest partying one, Landis, was out drinking till 5 AM, 7.5 hours before the man he was supposed to be protecting was murdered. 60 years later he wanted to sell a book.

Tucker Carlson is one of the worst people in the world, for reasons that have been outlined numerous times in these forums.

Sounds like the public got it right.

Bump.

On 10/12/2023 at 6:39 PM, Benjamin Cole said:

Is there any documentation that is Guy Banister, in trenchcoat? 

(Banister, one "n"). 

Looks somewhat like Banister on the right. However, that was 16 years before 1963. Banister would have looked much younger then versus 1963.

Frazier in the Army?

Before 11,22,1963?

I thought he was a teenager in November of 1963?

Sorry, if Frazier was some deeper intrigue character in this whole affair versus his seemingly innocently kind, nice and generous Mayberry RFD country boy self...the guy is one heck of a great actor.

TC is no longer a daily news person of interest.

Ever since Fox News told him to take a hike...his high rating viewership star has faded into relative average commentator obscurity.

Jim Di...did the subject of this Mafia centered JFKA film project ever come up during your sit-down lunch with David Mamet and Oliver Stone?

I think I recall you mentioning the JFKA film project "Black Bird" ( which never got green lighted back in 2013) did come up in conversation.

A project that was supposedly going to be scripted by Mamet and star Cate Blanchett? With a main plot line that seemed extremely interesting to me.

So now we have this less interesting, even weird JFKA film production apparently becoming reality?

I am curious how such a weakly proven "Mafia did it" plot line JFKA film project like this one ever got green lighted and huge funding financing (the most since Stone's 1994 JFK?) and with major star participation?

Who the heck are the real money power people funding this truth distracting project and are making it happen?

The last thing we need in the JFKA truth effort is a major A list star filled film with a plot line based on a long time disputed and fairly disproven guilty party premise.

Come on Pacino... wake up.

Just as I stated they would.

The Landis one is simply unprovable. 

The Tucker Carlson big reveal story had legs for two weeks and faded away.

Surprised no one is calling out TC for letting go of his block buster claim story as nonchalantly as he has.

16 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

Meanwhile, who are these mysterious new members who have been coming out of the woodwork to repeat the same old defamatory CIA propaganda tropes about Prouty being, "tricky," "nutty," etc.?

Totally agree.

Professional image defamers and destroyers consistently use this psychological ploy of planting mental illness labels upon those they want to discredit.

Nothing scares half the people more than their fear that "they themselves" maybe so labeled simply for defending targeted subjects or even keeping an open mind regards their integrity.

I remember a classic example of this PSYOP tactic being used against Howard Dean in the beginning stages of the 2004 presidential primary campaign.

Dean's campaign took a strong 3rd place in the Iowa caucus vote! He was now a legitimately viable rising star in the Democratic primary field! 

And smart, aggressive and super progressive liberal Dean ( a medical doctor in his private life ) scared the heebie-jeebies out of the corporate 1% / MIC power structure. Seriously scared them.

Within just days I saw a national media campaign so widespread, aggressively promoted and blatantly obvious in it's one super exaggerated fear spreading message it was weird, and in my mind suspiciously so.

"HOWARD DEAN IS NUTS!"

Within three days after Dean's Iowa win, the supermarket magazine/tabloid racks right next to the checkout lines already displayed two of our most well known weekly publications ( "Time" and "Newsweek") with one of them blaring this huge block letter fear title:

"DOUBTS ABOUT DEAN" ... with a dark silhouette image of Dean's face broken up into a dozen scattered parts.

Really? 

Dozens of other national publications also immediately jumped on board with this highly exaggerated "DEAN IS NUTS" fear campaign. 

The massive right wing radio propaganda machine (50 million daily listeners) went so all out in this effort to immediately destroy Howard Dean's unexpected surge to the top tiers of the Democratic Party primary race they turned to creating an illogically frantic over-the-top fear image of Dean.

They and the rest of the compromised and controlled national media latched onto Dean's inspired campaign victory speech and turned it into a maniac rant with very calculated editing and manipulation.

They called it ..."THE DEAN SCREAM!"

They played only the singular rally cry shout out part of Dean's animated campaign speech every chance they could ( many times a day ) and through every venue.

With right wing radio propagandist king Rush Limbaugh leading the charge and playing the "DEAN SCREAM" seemingly every hour.

"Listen to this lunatic folks"  ...   "EEYYYAAAGGGHHH!"

The "Dean Scream" became a nationally reported joke.

This Dean image destruction campaign worked and Dean soon fell out of the primary poll standings. Many voters who veered away from Dean cited some doubts about Dean's mental state which the DEAN SCREAM media campaign had successfully planted in their thoughts. 

Never had I seen such an immediate all out and hugely financed ( and successful ) PSYOP media campaign to destroy a rising presidential primary candidate who inspired that much fear in the true powers to be.

Our own Joseph McBride provides a monumentally important and revealing look at this part of our media corruption, it's history and it's power to change elections and cover up many of our darkest national truths in his tome: "Political Truth - The Media And The Assassination Of President Kennedy."

To varying degrees, Prouty, Oliver Stone and his 1994 film JFK have all been targets of this media branch of our secret government...imo anyways.

YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6i-gYRAwM0

2004: The scream that doomed Howard Dean - YouTube

47 minutes ago, Robert Reeves said:

Col. Fletcher Prouty was a tricky fella. He directed attention to a man with his back to the camera. Someone unidentifiable.

I believe Col. Prouty would have studied all seven of the 'three tramps' photo sequence. Surely?

So with Gen. Lansdale in his sights, how did Col. Prouty fail to also identify a more identifiable profile view of Lansdale. Surely this would have Bolstered his case in pointing the finger at Lansdale!?

 

 

I believe the person shown in profile was captured in one of the Allen photographs. Does anyone believe Prouty would not have seen this person? So I find it so strange he never jumped all over it. I think it was Charles Drago that first noticed this person in the photos.

But much like his ARRB performance, Prouty never really put his foot right in it', and buried Lansdale and Co when he had the chance. 

From Harold Weisberg's documents at jfk.hood.edu 

Weisberg discusses Prouty with a person named 'Ed'. Weisberg asks ''I have long held the same question about Prouty in all this: does he speak for the military as opposed to the CIA?'' *from Weisberg collection at Hood*

Weisberg was OSS (CIA).

The two side by side photos in the upper left do not match.