Joe Bauer

Here is an BYP observation I think we can all agree on.

Look closely at Oswald's hands in the original thread photo.

The middle finger of the left hand ( digitus medius ) is very clearly longer than the index finger and the ring finger next to it. Very clearly so.

Now look at the fingers of Oswald's right hand.

Look at the length of the middle finger relative to the other two fingers on it's sides.

Tell me you do not see the difference.

It's quite stark.

26 minutes ago, Mark Ulrik said:

The ring issue again ... I don't think the photos are clear enough to say for certain if the rings are there in all instances.

IMO opinion you can definitely see there are rings on those fingers. Both hands.

Curiously however, the lowest right side pic shows a ring much heavier and pronounced than the one shown on the same left hand finger in the photo two pics above it.

So, where most men wear a wedding band on their left hand fourth finger Oswald is instead wearing his larger more chunky Marine Corp ring?

And again, the blow up of Oswald's right hand clutching the newspapers really does show his fingers being very different than the fingers of his left hand. Almost like their ends have been cut off!

Just a curious observation thought.

I keep looking at Oswald's disproportionately large head relative to his small frame body in the first thread BYP photo.

The thought occurred to me that this overly large head discrepancy hypothetically could be duplicated by superimposing another photo of Oswald's head that was taken of Oswald from a position noticeably closer to the camera than these BYP pics.

Or, did Oswald have some dwarfism characteristics in his genetic make up?

Generally dwarfism includes heads disproportionately larger than their small body frames.

These BYP pictures which Pat Speer surmises may have been taken to show Oswald as some type of Marxist revolutionary mercenary to impress who knows who...reminds me of one or two well known pictures of Frank Sturgis where he is brandishing about a pistol while dressed in Cuban jungle military attire, complete with a stylishly one-side-turned up safari hat.

Same with David Ferry and Gerry Patrick Hemming.

Tough guy just cause mercenary fighter trophy photos?

1 hour ago, Michael Crane said:

If I'm not mistaken,the ring that you are talking about doesn't appear in backyard pic 2 (and maybe 3?)

 

Surprised that you didn't notice the fingers.

 

Right hand looks cut off

 

Left hand looks extended.

 

Roscoe White body IMO.

My gosh MC...you are right!

I never noticed the discrepancies you mention. Yet, they are there.

Oswald's fingers on his left hand do definitely look longer than the ones of his right hand. The fingers on his right hand have shortened, square block ends.

The fingers on his left hand seem longer and tapered down to less blockish ends.

And is it true that rings showing in one photo do not appear in others?

Why remove rings like that in between photos with the entire photo shoot only taking a few minutes?

And was Oswald's Marine Corp ring ever worn and displayed? If so, wouldn't that be an incongruous ideological message to be sending to Marxist others? 

First impressions?

Lee Oswald's head seems hugely overly large relative to his very small shoulder frame body.

Weirdly so. Almost alien ET big.

And Oswald also had a noticeably wider neck than most people.

Was that possibly a thyroid deficiency thing?

Why does Oswald always look older than his listed age?

In this photo he is what...24, maybe even 23?

If I saw Oswald on the street ( face mostly ) I would guess his age at 30.

Oswald's rings and where he wore them have always been curious to me.

In this photo I can see a ring on his right hand 4th finger. Not a common hand and finger wearing one.

I assume he has at least one other ring on his left hand ( wedding band?)

Why take such a provocative photo? How many people would ever think of taking a photo like this of themselves?

Rifle in one hand. Communist Russia newspaper in the other.

Pistol holstered and showing on his outside hip?

Dressed all in black?

Kind of a modern day "Have Gun Will Travel" Palladin, with a Marxist Russian twist?

Only thing missing is a Russian military Ushanka hat.

Was Oswald a fan of that iconic 1800's American West gunslinger television show?

You have to wonder what Marina was thinking about this overly theatrical posing show.

Most young fathers would probably want a picture of themselves holding their cute little girl...versus this rifle/pistol "gun for hire" get up.

Marina was probably upset about the whole weird affair.

Honey, we need food and clothes for Junie more than rifles and pistols and subscription fees for Russian newspapers. Don't you think?

And was Oswald so dumb, that he would have pictures of him taken that are more incriminating than anything anyone could imagine, knowing that he was planning future violent actions like the Walker shooting and then JFK?

You'd think he would have destroyed these photos, especially right after the Walker shoot out.

These photos are graphic examples of the extremely illogical and nonsensical puzzle that Oswald's personal history was.

The question is...was this whole crazy persona thing intentionally contrived?

On 3/25/2023 at 8:26 PM, Ron Bulman said:

I've learned so much from those who know more than I.  Discussion has proved enlightening as well as engaging.  Thanks to all who have continued to make that possible.

Tip of the hat to that.

Having RFK Jr. enter the primaries and draw enough backing and votes to stay in the debates for at least a few months would definitely breathe new Main Stream Media life into the JFKA and RFKA stories.

Yes, for me it is hard to listen to RFK Jr. speak.

Not sure how this impaired vocal condition of his would play out in a primary debate realm.

On 4/1/2023 at 5:25 PM, Benjamin Cole said:

Paul Gregory's recent book, in which he says he knew LHO was the lone assassin on Nov. 22, 1963, is one such example. Gregory's powers of divine perception topped that even of the Johnson Administration, which waited 48 hours before coming to that assessment.

I wonder if Paul Gregory has ever seen the Walter Cronkite September, 1969 interview of LBJ?

The one where LBJ himself says "I can't honestly say I've ever been completely relieved of the fact there might have been international connections."

At the end of this interview hear LBJ also state "others who could have been involved."

If LBJ himself is casting doubt on the final WC finding of a LN without conspirators...how in the world can Paul Gregory be certain of that conclusion?

There was more background information withheld on Jack Ruby by the FBI and other agencies than any other major player in the entire JFKA affair.

Even when Seth Kantor's intrepid research revealed much of this hidden Ruby history information, the MSM purposely left it alone.

What Seth Kantor discovered and published about Ruby was and always will be one of the most important foundational Keystone truth revealing aspects to the quick action removal of Lee Harvey Oswald by Ruby. 

The removal of the most important criminal suspect in American history.

A living Lee Harvey Oswald was by far "the" best chance key America had in knowing the full truth about the JFKA.

Jack Ruby single handedly destroyed that key.

Thanks a lot ... "Sparky."

Knowing the full background of Oswald's assassin is absolutely paramount in the entire scope of the JFKA truth.

Thank you Seth Kantor for your valiant efforts to provide us with the full background truth regards Jack Ruby.

Something our own government  ( and MSM ) failed to do - purposely.

1 hour ago, Jeff Carter said:

“General Y” is obviously based on Lansdale but is not portrayed as a “master plotter” or a “key figure”. He is not, for example, in the smoky room of power brokers where the grievances against Kennedy are aired. General Y is seen receiving a phone call - presented as a speculation, as something that “maybe” happened. General Y is portrayed as an “agent” of higher powers, which is exactly how Prouty always characterized him.

It appears you set up a sort of “straw man” with the attributions of “master plotter” and “key figure” which you use to apply a dismissive term (“quack”) to your target (Prouty). The film doesn’t make those attributions and as far as I am aware neither did Prouty. So there is no “reckless baseless charge” in the first place other than those directed towards the film.

Agree. 

Good clarifying points.

49 minutes ago, Tom Gram said:

I’m not certain at all, I just think the photos are inconclusive and there’s not much we can do with them without more information.  I’ve seen the Rip Robertson photo and it definitely looks a lot like him but it’s the same kind of thing. 

I only mentioned the alleged Hunt photo because the first time I saw it my reaction was “I’ll be damned, that guy really does look suspiciously like E. Howard Hunt”. I had to look up photos of Hunt to compare. It’s not like that photo has any more or less probative value than the Robertson or Lansdale photos, I just had a different reaction to seeing it. 

Ah, I see.

15 hours ago, Tom Gram said:

I usually roll my eyes at a lot of these inconclusive DP photos, but I’ve gotta say, that guy really does look like a Hunt doppelgänger, at least from a distance. He’s wearing what looks like the exact same hat and tan jacket that Hunt was wearing in photos taken during Watergate, and if I recall he’s just causally strolling up to the GK alone with his hands in his pockets looking like a sketchball. Like you said, Hunt’s story about his whereabouts that day is bulls***, so who knows? 

So, Tom.

Your thoughts on the photo of the stiff bearing man walking by the three tramps in Dealey Plaza? You're certain that is not General Edward Lansdale?

Have you seen the Dealy Plaza "Rip Robertson" doppleganger photo?

And don't forget Ruby's jail house meeting with the famous Dorothy Kilgallen.

Whatever Ruby shared with Kilgallen, she came away from that meeting more charged up and determined than ever to "solve" the case.

Ruby must have given her some really intriguing info.

Made up...or not.

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51 minutes ago, Tom Gram said:

He’s wearing what looks like the exact same hat and tan jacket that Hunt was wearing in photos taken during Watergate, and if I recall he’s just causally strolling up to the GK alone with his hands in his pockets looking like a sketchball.

Sketchball...HA!

I am a tremendous admirer of Oliver Stone but not to the blindly loyal degree that I could never have any disagreeing takes on even one of his points of view.

Obviously, I am not as informed as Stone...to a laughable degree.

Yet, I still wonder if there are others in the JFKA research zietgeist who may have enough other knowledge of Lansdale to not dismiss him entirely in the affair.

And regards the photo of the stiff bearing posture, blockish back of head shape and odd hand and arm swinging motion and ring bearing man walking past the tramps in Dealey Plaza...without more scientific proof I don't feel anyone can inarguably say it is or is not Lansdale.

Digital and computer enhanced technology in human figure and motion identification has advanced to the point that I believe the best experts in that field "could identify" the Dealey Plaza man as Lansdale ( or not ) to a scientifically proven degree of certainty, greatly by comparing the Dealey Plaza photo to many other full body photos and perhaps videos of Lansdale.

And same with the well known full facial photo of a man in Dealey Plaza while JFK is being driven by that bears a resemblance to "Rip Robertson" that is so look-a-like it is remarkable.

Another prime photo piece worthy of the latest facial recognition technology study imo.

There is also a picture of an E. Howard Hunt similarly built and dressed man walking up to the grassy knoll area from the open grass area across the street.

We all do know that E. Howard Hunt wasn't having a Chinese restaurant lunch with his wife in the DC area right at the time of JFK's assassination.

On 3/30/2023 at 9:18 AM, Greg Doudna said:

Joe, don’t let me down—give a narrative explanation (you’re a good writer). 🙂 

Thanks GD...but anyone can see I am not a good writer at all.

Especially compared to the 50 great writers on this forum. Some with best selling books to their credit!

McBride, Di Eugenio, etc.

By the way, much of my Ruby/Oswald/Kantor postings are grounded in Jim Di Eugenio's excellent essay at his "Kennedys And King" site titled "The Ruby Connection."

Highly recommend reading this as it is chock full of much, much more in-depth information regards Ruby and his connections to the Dallas Police Department, the Dallas District Attorney office ( especially assistant D.A. Bill Alexander) and organized crime, Lewis McWillie and related Cuban activities.

Because Jack Ruby whacked Oswald and under the most suspiciously improbable circumstances one "has" to give him a lot of thought and scrutiny.

If he hadn't performed that world shaking deed, he would just be a quirky, eccentric side show story as Seth Kantor described him.

Ruby's ridiculously improbable access into that huge security presence DPD building basement right at that time of Oswald's almost wide-open presentation to the press crowd just feet away forces rational common sense thoughts of Ruby with major conspiracy consideration focus.

Jack Ruby was involved with more than stripper pay complaints and beating the tar out of drunk Carousel customers who got out of hand with their loud crude yelling, pounding on the runway and grabbing at stripper's ankles.

And we all now know for a fact that Ruby occasionally engaged with semi-big time Vegas and Havana Mafioso Lewis McWillie. Once even asked by McWillie to come down to Cuba where it's been reported that Ruby himself was tasked to visit Mafia Godfather Santos Trafficante in his Cuban jail with a message...or perhaps to pay off some official to secure Trafficante's release?

1 hour ago, Joe Bauer said:

Rose states his suspicion about Ruby's long stay inside the Dallas Morning News building on 11,22,1963 and especially up to and through the actual JFK/Jackie Kennedy motorcade which was happening just beneath him on the streets below.

Rose figured that if Ruby defense attorney Melvin Belli's claim that Ruby loved the Kennedys so much was true ( Rose mistakenly says "Ruby" instead of "Kennedy" while saying this ) he would have been on the ground to see his beloved President and wife.

Rose also stated a logical thought rational for his suspicion regards Ruby's unprecedented long stay inside the DMN building based on Ruby's history of placing ads for his strip club in the paper and how this action was something that took a much shorter time than many hours. In fact, Rose stated he felt Ruby could have even done this regular ad placement business over the phone!

Juror Rose obviously was suspicious enough about Ruby's long stay in the DMN building during a time when Ruby's claimed love for the Kennedy's would suggest his wanting to see them in person, to not believe Ruby's stated explanation claims for this illogical action.

I believe Ruby's illogical long stay at the DMN offices that entire morning until after JFK was shot was probably a planned effort on Ruby's part to provide him with an air-tight eye-witness proven, away from the scene of the crime location and actions alibi during the entire JFK motorcade and murder time frame.

Juror Rose similarly expressed his feeling that Ruby's long stay at the DMN offices that big event day was just too illogical for it not to be highly suspicious in his mind.

Juror Rose stated his common sense thought that if Ruby loved JFK ( and especially Jackie Kennedy ) as much as Ruby and a few of his close acquaintances said he did, that he would have wanted to see them in the flesh and not hole up in some business offices instead. 

Ruby could have done his ad business in one half hour's time. He could even have done it over the phone!

The DMN employees must have thought, why is this overly talkative eccentric strip joint owner guy hanging around here jabbering for hours!

We've got work to do.

9 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said:

 

Living History interviewer asked Jack Ruby trial juror J. Waymon Rose..."what was Ruby's demeanor, his facial expressions during the trial?"

Rose " He was stoic, almost a statue...almost a robot" the entire time.

Hot headed Jack Ruby, like " a statue ", "a robot" emotionally for 10 days from March 4th thru the 14th? 

You have to wonder if they didn't inject highly emotional Ruby with sedative shots every day?

On 1/26/2020 at 6:40 AM, Joe Bauer said:

Ron, I'm providing a link to an interview of one of the first Jack Ruby trial jurors - J. Waymon Rose.

This March 20th, 2013 interview is just one of many by the Texas School Book Depository Sixth Floor Museum in their "Living History" series.

Just past the 43 minute mark you will hear Mr. Rose state one of his main reasons for voting Ruby guilty of planning the murder of Lee Harvey Oswald versus Ruby's defense team's claim it was an "unplanned" impulsive act born out of some brain damage or his love for Jackie and wanting to protect her from having to endure a trial of a living Oswald.

Rose states his suspicion about Ruby's long stay inside the Dallas Morning News building on 11,22,1963 and especially up to and through the actual JFK/Jackie Kennedy motorcade which was happening just beneath him on the streets below.

Rose figured that if Ruby defense attorney Melvin Belli's claim that Ruby loved the Kennedys so much was true ( Rose mistakenly says "Ruby" instead of "Kennedy" while saying this ) he would have been on the ground to see his beloved President and wife.

Rose also stated a logical thought rational for his suspicion regards Ruby's unprecedented long stay inside the DMN building based on Ruby's history of placing ads for his strip club in the paper and how this action was something that took a much shorter time than many hours. In fact, Rose stated he felt Ruby could have even done this regular ad placement business over the phone!

Juror Rose obviously was suspicious enough about Ruby's long stay in the DMN building during a time when Ruby's claimed love for the Kennedy's would indicated it's illogicality, to not believe Ruby's stated explanation claims for this irregular action.

Would you consider this recollection testimonial by Ruby trial juror J.Waymon Rose ( I know it wasn't given under oath ) at least somewhat corroborative of Jack Ruby's presence in the DMN building at least until after the JFK assassination at 12:30 PM on 11,22,1963? 

 

 

 

Living History with J. Waymon Rose

 

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Ruby didn't like crowds?

Like major boxing event, ice skating rink, state fair and Dallas PD Oswald parading around ones? Let alone his own packed Carousel Club ones with ocassional MC duties there?

On 4/27/2006 at 11:12 PM, John Simkin said:

I think Seth Kantor deserves his own thread. He is one of the few journalists who questioned the Warren Commission Report. What few people know is that he also played an important role in exposing the link between LBJ and the TFX scandal.

Seth Kantor was born on 9th January, 1926. During the Second World War Kantor served in the United States Marines. After the war he became a journalist and worked for several newspapers including the Fort Worth Press, Denver Rocky Mountain News, Lamar Daily News, the Pueblo Chieftain, and Dallas Times Herald.

While working in Dallas he became friendly with Jack Ruby who supplied him with the material for several stories that appeared in his newspaper.

Kantor was in the presidential motorcade when John F. Kennedy was assassinated in Dealey Plaza. He arrived at Parkland Hospital while Kennedy was receiving medical care. Kantor testified before the Warren Commission that while in the hospital he entered into a conversation with Jack Ruby. It has been suggested that Ruby might have been involved in tampering with the evidence. Ruby denied he had been at the hospital and the Warren Commission decided to believe him rather than Kantor.

After the Kennedy assassination, Kantor worked for the Scripps-Howard newspaper group in Washington. Later he worked as a reporter for the Atlanta Constitution and the Detroit News. In 1974 Kantor won the prestigious Sigma Delta Chi Professional Journalism Society Medallion.

In his book Who Was Jack Ruby (1978), Kantor examines the reasons why the Warren Commission seemed to be unwilling to carry out "an in-depth probe of Ruby's past". Kantor also provides information that suggests that Ruby was "allowed" into the Dallas Police Station so that he could kill Lee Harvey Oswald. This was reissued as The Ruby Cover-Up (1992).

Seth Kantor died of a heart attack in Washington on 17th August, 1993. At the time he was working on another book on the JFK assassination.

Kantor never got the full respect and appreciation recognition he deserved imo.

On 7/22/2006 at 3:10 PM, Jack White said:

Seth Kantor was a very close friend of mine. For more than a year, he

occupied an office space at our agency in return for occasionally doing

free lance writing for us. Every day after work all the guys would gather

for a bull session and talk current events. This was about 1956-57.

This was after he left the Fort Worth Press, but before he joined the

Times Herald or Scripps-Howard. He was one of the reasons I became

obsessed with the inaccuracy of the Warren Report. They spent more

pages on Seth than anyone else except the principals. They claimed

he was mistaken or lying when he said he saw Ruby at Parkland Hospital.

They even reproduced his entire reporter's notebook. I KNEW THAT

SETH WAS NOT LYING, so one of my earliest studies had to do with

the WR erroneous claim.

By this time, Seth was in Washington as a correspondent for a Detroit

newspaper, and I corresponded with him regarding the assassination.

Subsequently he interviewed me regarding my studies of the MC rifle,

and published a big story on the front page of his Detroit newspaper.

I presented this same information when I testified to the HSCA.

Seth accompanied me when I testified to the HSCA, and we had

lunch together in the House cafeteria during the lunch break. During

the lunch, newsman Roger Mudd dropped by to chat with us and

commented to Seth about the "rough treatment" that the committee

used on me, surprising me by asking what PHOTOGRAMMETRY means.

Seth was FURIOUS, and after we finished lunch, he attempted to speak

to Blakey about my treatment, but could not. But he was told that

my treatment WAS BLAKEY'S METHOD to discredit me. After I finished

my testimony, he met with me and told that he would try to see that

the committee was discredited over its bullying.

Seth also arranged for his paper to fly me to Washington to

appear before the Church committee, where I showed them my slide

presentation and brought to their attention several important things

which aided their investigation.

Seth was a dear friend and I was shocked to read of his death at

an unusually early age.

I did not know he was working on another JFK book.

Jack

I highly recommend reading this entire fascinating thread ( originally posted by John Simkin ) regards Seth Kantor.

On 3/29/2023 at 11:52 PM, K K Lane said:

Here's the text of the second page of Seth Kantor's affidavit.   An image is available at:

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth339044/m1/3/

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"is terrible.   Should I close my places for three days."   He appeared to be
very upset.   I told him I thought he should, but did not continue the 
conversation.

That was the only time I saw Jack Ruby during the period of Friday, November
22, 1963 until the moment of the shot in the basement on Sunday, November
24, 1963.

Thank you K.K. Lane.

It is SO OBVIOUS that Kantor was telling the WC the truth about Ruby's presence at Parkland hospital around 1:30 PM the day of 11,22,1963.

Kantor's professional and personal credibility was provenly very high and strong.

Compared to Jack Ruby's ... stellar.

The question is...why?

Why would the WC in their final report claim highly credible, respected and experienced and mentally stable journalist Seth Kantor was mistaken ( through some over-worked up mental state? ) about meeting Ruby at Parkland that afternoon...and emotionally and mentally damaged ( and Mafia connected if even occasional - Lewis McWillie ) Jack Ruby wasn't?

In my opinion, because Ruby's presence at Parkland would open up enormously suspicious contradictions in Ruby's account of his full actions that afternoon and in the least expose his blatantly ly*** about them.