37 minutes ago, Pat Speer said:

Although I was two on 11-22-63 and remember the assassination weekend as a confusing blur, I had a similarly life-changing reaction during the 2000 election coverage. Florida had just been called for Gore. Someone asked Bush for a response. He smirked and said something about his having a feeling it was gonna go his way--I think he even mentioned his brother. 

I'd been a professional buyer and had learned how to read faces--it was clear to me the fix was in. I was rather blasé about politics at the time. But not after that. In no short order Bush handed out billions in tax cuts to the wealthy, spent billions fighting a country that didn't attack us, or anybody, and pushed the economy into economic collapse. 

 I've never been the same. 

Exactly the same sentiments on my end PS.

Both G.W. and Donnie Trump made massive tax cuts for our top 1% one of their immediately implemented highest priority acts.

IMO, that WAS their number 1 priority domestic agenda ...well over any others.

That 1% interests priority over the rest of us is SO OBVIOUS with these Republicans!

When our federal Supreme Court stepped in and terminated the 2000 presidential election Florida vote counting over-ruling the Florida State Supreme Court decision to keep counting and defying all SCOTUS Vs state SC precedents was and will always be one of the most Constitution violating acts by that court ever.

Every hour, Gore was gaining votes in that Florida state recount. He was within what...a couple hundred votes of taking that state?

Sandra Day O'Conner and her Republican party biased cohorts frantically rushed off to a special session with one purpose.  STOP THE VOTE!

If we don't...their guy wins the election!

Even intrepid JFK writer Vincent Bugliosi called the SCOTUS Florida vote stopping action one of the greatest crimes against our democracy ever!

Are most of us still unsure about who killed JFK after 60 years?

If so, isn't that a very sad and disheartening reality?

That after 6 decades, hundreds if not thousands of lifetime long deep research efforts, books and millions of documents and two more seriously funded federal government investigations most of us are as unsure about who did JFK as we were the day after it's occurrence?

With that widely felt unsureness reality in mind one might rationally ponder the proposition, or at least the question, as to whether all this six decades long time and effort in the JFKA truth and justice seeking mission could in some debatable aspects and degrees be considered a failure.

And to add more weight to that postulation possibility is the reality that whoever did JFK ... got away with it!

That they were left to remain in their highest positions of power and influence all this time. Through three generations.

1 hour ago, Pete Mellor said:

Joe, I didn't have time to include anything after Parkland.  There was a brief Q & A at the end with one question, did I think Oswald was guilty?  So my answer then mentioned Ruby's killing on the Sunday, so no trial and history is still without answers.  No time to go into Tippit etc.  I just stuck to factual evidence as much as possible to let each member of the audience decide for themselves, as per number of shots, shot direction, magic bullet theory, JFK/Connally wounds, CE399.  I ran the Zapruder film on a big screen too which had quite an effect, but no mention of any theory of tampering.  I was determined to stay neutral without leaning to conspiracy or lone-nut verdicts.

I see.

The right thing to do.

1 hour ago, David Andrews said:

I did.  I was four, and have little to no memory of what was said in the household.  I was still trying to process the assassination, and the truisms uttered in response.

If you had shouted to your parents at the time..."IT'S A COVERUP" I would have believed it even at that young age! 

1 hour ago, Pete Mellor said:

Joe, I didn't have time to include anything after Parkland.  There was a brief Q & A at the end with one question, did I think Oswald was guilty?  So my answer then mentioned Ruby's killing on the Sunday, so no trial and history is still without answers.  No time to go into Tippit etc.  I just stuck to factual evidence as much as possible to let each member of the audience decide for themselves, as per number of shots, shot direction, magic bullet theory, JFK/Connally wounds, CE399.  I ran the Zapruder film on a big screen too which had quite an effect, but no mention of any theory of tampering.  I was determined to stay neutral without leaning to conspiracy or lone-nut verdicts.

Well, what is your take on Ruby and his access story today?

Do you believe he was assisted by others?

46 minutes ago, Douglas Caddy said:

 

JFK Facts Podcast: Join the Call - by Jefferson Morley (substack.com)

How do we access this?

14 minutes ago, Michael Griffith said:

O'Reilly's book is just plain awful. His book Killing the Rising Sun is even worse, inexcusably worse. 

I read that O'Reilly got a million dollar advance for his generic resource "Killing Kennedy" book.

True?

Talk about easy money.

15 hours ago, Denny Zartman said:

Killing Kennedy - Book by Jack Roth, 2022

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The researchers:

 

David Mantik

Doctor, physicist, and author, made detailed studies of the autopsy X-rays and Zapruder film.

 

Larry Rivera

Engineer, author of "The JFK Horsemen", photo analysis and motorcade motorcycle escort officers expert.

 

Phil Nelson

Author of several non-fiction books, including "LBJ: The Mastermind Of The JFK Assassination" and "LBJ: From Mastermind To Colossus."

 

William Matson Law

Author of "In The Eye Of History" interviewed key witnesses to JFK's autopsy.

 

Vince Palamara

Author of several JFK books and the foremost civilian expert on the Secret Service.

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New Orleans Summer of 1963:

 

Ed Haslam Jr.

Author "Dr. Mary's Monkey" about Oswald, David Ferrie, and Mary Sherman, a JFK mistress murdered in New Orleans in 1964.

 

Judyth Vary Baker

Scientist, author of "Me And Lee", claims to have been Oswald's mistress and partner in cancer research with Oswald and David Ferrie.

 

Victoria Sulzer

High school classmate of Lee Harvey Oswald, friend of Mary Sherman.

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My father was in the CIA:

 

Saint John Hunt

Son of Watergate figure E. Howard Hunt, who late in life claimed low-level involvement in the JFKA. 

 

Peter Janney

Son of CIA official Wistar Janney and author of "Mary's Mosaic" about childhood friend, ex-CIA wife, and JFK mistress Mary Pinchot Meyer.

 

Chana Willis

Daughter of Navy photographic intelligence officer Freddie Philmon "Phil" Spainhouer, who allegedly filmed the assassination from another angle.

 

Kris Millegan

Son of CIA branch chief Lloyd S. Millegan, studies secret societies like Skull and Bones. During World War 2, Lloyd worked in CIA psychological warfare with Edward Lansdale.

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Two little girls:

 

Toni Glover

Dealey Plaza witness, 11 at the time.

 

Pat Hall

Owner of the Oswald Rooming House Museum in Dallas, Texas, 11 at the time of the assassination, knew Oswald.

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Deep State and Fourth Estate:

 

Peter Dale Scott

Author of "Dallas '63" and other books, expert on covert operations by the US Government.

 

Donald Jeffries

Author of "Hidden History" and "Bullyocracy", expert on US political crimes and cover-ups.

 

Jefferson Morley

Author of "Our Man In Mexico" and "The Ghost", veteran Washington D.C. journalist.

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Psychological Philosophical and Social Perspectives:

 

Frances Shure

Counselor and adjunct university instructor at Naropa University in Boulder, Colorado, specializing in psychology.

 

Lee Basham

Philosopher and professor at South Texas College and the University of Texas Rio Grande Valley.

 

Dorothy Lorig

Councilor and psychologist.

 

David Denton

Social science instructor at Olney Central College in Illinois, teaches a course on political assassinations of the 1960's.

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Keeping the story alive:

 

Lorien Fenton

JFK conference producer and podcast host.

 

Jeffrey Holmes

Leads a Lee Harvey Oswald tour in New Orleans, Louisiana.

 

Randolph Benson

Filmmaker, "The Searchers", documentary about JFK researchers.

Thank you Denny for taking considerable time and effort to breakdown and list Roth's book and other's research sources.

Gives one a real heads up on the documentation credibility meat of his book, without having to buy it on blind faith.

IN SPADES.

On 3/16/2023 at 9:18 AM, Michael Griffith said:

It would really help if you would provide a brief summary of what the link says. 

These 4 fellows claim they are the top body language analysts in America if not the world.

They do have serious credentials ( books published - long term military service in this field, etc ) worth considering their claims.

However, I know nothing more than that...and I do request uh, someone to come forward to provide me some uh, legal assistance.

Note that they are all in agreement regards a very incriminating take on Oswald and his guilt.

And they also seem to be close long time friends. Wonder what 4 randomly picked body language experts who aren't so closely connected on a personal "buddy-buddy" basis would say about Oswald?

They conclude that LHO is constantly lying his a$$ off and is holding back much more incriminating evidence and knowledge.

I posted this link not because I agree ( or disagree ) with their assessments and even their motives in publicly promoting themselves and their mutual super indicting take on LHO.

I just found their presentation context interesting.

They are on You Tube doing body language assessments of other famous persons. Ghislaine Maxwell for one.

Would like to see them do a Donald Trump body language assessment.

And, I would love to ask them to do an assessment of LBJ in his interview with Walter Cronkite. The interview where LBJ admits " we can't be absolutely sure...others may have been involved" regards Oswald shooting JFK.

Interesting,

12 hours ago, Michael Crane said:

Kids these days.

 

I can imagine the dinner table conversations this young man and his family engaged in.

13 hours ago, Michael Crane said:

I was only a month old.

You were just a sweet, innocent little babe in arms.

Did your parents see the event?

Did they ever talk about it...ever?

1 hour ago, Pete Mellor said:

I was another startled 10 year old over here in U.K.  Was it 'live', or was some programme interrupted, I'm not sure.

To me, it seemed like gun crazy America.  Any conspiratorial aspects of Ruby silencing the assassin were beyond me at that age.

Shocking scenes none the less, in addition to the shocking scenes of the previous two days.

After school on the Monday I was glued to the coverage in D.C.

Yet, I have vivid memories as a 9 y.o. of October '62 on t.v. I was fully aware of the consequences & thought my world was ending.  When JFK resolved that crisis peacefully, he became a hero to me.  So I could never understand why anyone would want to shoot him just over a year later.

As an aside to the above.  The U.K. has an organisational group, the U3A.  The University of the 3rd Age.  It is set up for mainly people of retirement age and provides meetings, interests and activities. Most towns and cities in U.K. have a U3A.  I joined the acoustic guitar group.  Every month there is a full meeting of all the interest sections followed by an invited speaker on some topic.  I was told that the speaker for March could not attend, so I volunteered to give a presentation on the JFK Assassination.  I thought that the age demographic of the U3A would have memories of the event in their lifetimes.  Armed with a Powerpoint presentation I spoke for over an hour, just covering historic factual information, briefly beginning from why JFK was in Texas, his tours of Houston and San Antonio on the 21st and the morning of the 22nd in Fort Worth.  I then covered Love Field, the motorcade, Dealey Plaza and briefly Parkland. To get through this in the allotted time I had to really rattle along.  The audience was a couple of hundred people.  The response at the end was amazing!  The feedback since has also been extremely good.  I have been put on a national list of U3A speakers, where other groups can request people on that list.  At the end of my presentation I was surrounded by members, male & female, who expressed their feelings about the assassination, their feelings  President Kennedy and their doubts on various aspects of the official history.  One lady in her late 70's was almost in tears when discussing JFK's death.  To be honest, I was quite stunned at the interest shown.  Without doubt the trauma of November '63 lingers still over here in U.K.    

Amazing!

Thanks for sharing.

When you got to the Oswald murder by Jack Ruby event, did you ever state "your personal opinion take" about whether Jack Ruby acted alone and on deep emotional grief impulse and just got lucky scampering down into and to the front of the DPD basement press line?

Or did you express to your audience a more conspiracy leaning view point?

1 hour ago, Benjamin Cole said:

You know, that is rarely, very rarely, brought up.

LHO was very new father, again, on 11/22.  Perhaps deserves its own post.

No sane man would get involved in the JFKA as a new father.

Most people who knew him seem to regard LHO as highly intelligent, eccentric, but sane. 

Nothing dispositive here...but certainly, in the first years after the JFKA, the media did not remind everyone that LHO was a new father. Didn't fit the official-M$M narrative.

So...was LHO insane? Was he becoming less sane? His co-workers did not say so. 

Would have a working-class LHO been susceptible to financial inducements? Of course, the answer is yes, he was susceptible---who would not be, with a wife and two kids--- but that is different from proving he took cash to participate in an event that day. 

Perhaps LHO planned to die or exit the US that day, but leave a large wad of cash for family. 

Interesting topic, largely unexplored by both CT and LN camps. CT'ers do not like the idea of LHO being bribed, and LN'ers that LHO was subordinate to  confederates.

 

 

 

 

I have pondered the same thoughts BC.

I believe Oswald truly loved his baby Junie. And he seemed quite protective over her. He also became a father again with the birth of his second daughter just days before 11,22,1963.

If LHO did the deeds - Tippit and JFK...it would suggest he crossed a mental line. A suicidal one.

A mental state so desperate and delusional it blinded out his love for his children.

16 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

i was 15. I’ll never forget it. My parents were shocked and outraged. It woke something up in me, caused me to read what coverage I could, early reports in I think the Guardian suggesting the Minutemen were behind the JFK hit. Started following Mark lane saw him speak at small NYC events a few times over the next year. Like Mark said, I’ve been here ever since.

15...wow.

An old timer compared to us young-uns.

Like I have said many times...the full psyche and emotional effect of the Oswald killing in the minds of millions of Americans is a subject never adequately explored and expanded upon in the literary world in my (admittedly poor) studied opinion.

4 hours ago, Mark Knight said:

I was 9 years old. My family was having a late Sunday lunch at our home in Indiana when we saw Ruby shoot Oswald live. NBC's Tom Pettit was incredulous. He couldn't believe what he just saw. [Dad preferred NBC News to CBS News. Our local ABC network station was on Channel 32, and we didn't have a UHF converter.]

My dad told us, "Remember this moment. You just saw history unfold in front of you." Later, Dad said, "It looks to me like somebody wanted this Oswald guy silenced. Wonder what he might have said in court that "somebody" didn't want to come out?"

And I have been a student of the JFK assassination since that weekend.

Mark...it was a powerful emotion event, wasn't it?

It created serious suspicion in the minds of millions of Americans and I'm sure millions of people in the rest of the world.

3 hours ago, Douglas Caddy said:

I was living in New York City at the time and watched it live on TV.

Doug, I would love to read your thoughts about the Oswald killing when you first saw it.

Did you ever have any conversations about it with your historically important friends like E. Howard Hunt. Or the high ranking police officers you knew in Washington DC or New York City?

7 hours ago, Gerry Down said:

I didn't see it.

I heard recently that technically no one saw it live, that what was shown on TV was actually a video that was 1 or 2 minutes old. 

Any truth to that?

I was watching NBC. Chris Pettit? So, my viewing was real time live.

7 hours ago, Larry Hancock said:

Yes, I watched in live with my parents...their reaction, I didn't have one, was "now we will never know for sure what happened".

I think that thought mentioned by your parents was by far the most commonly felt and shared one.

How about we move on from Tucker Carlson altogether?

His credibility factor has been diminished to Trump defending propaganda hack level and he is one of the most divisive figures in American media.

I say to those of the JFKA research community who are looking for a well known media figure to champion as their crusader and to promote their agenda... how about someone less controversial and more trusted in the objective truth news reporting department?

Bill Maher? Chris Hayes? Chris Como? Liz Chaney is available.

IMO...there are NO hidden JFKA files that would ever seriously diminish the power of or threaten the very existence of the CIA.

They have been destroyed.

Why so many here keep thinking otherwise irritates my sense of trusting belief in others who should know this.

Read this Tucker Carlson defenders:

I was just sharing my doing so with another member who told me they also watched Ruby whacking Oswald on live TV the morning of 11, 24, 1963.

Although millions of Americans did watch that incident on live national TV ( with a far greater number seeing it replayed later )  I am sure at least half or more have passed on by now.

I am also sure that those who watched the killing on live TV had a visceral feeling and reaction that was much more powerful and powerfully effecting than those that didn't.

Oswald's murder was reshown a thousand times over in the days after.

Yet, still, seeing this murder live as it happened sets apart the viewers in interesting ways.

I suppose like those in Dealey Plaza who watched JFK's head explode right in front of them?

Not quite as powerfully shocking and effecting but still similar in instantaneously altering world reality perceptions. And in dark suspicion thought feeding ways.

Watching Ruby blow a hole into Oswald's gut was a great trauma to America, and especially those who viewed it live.

And like any violent action trauma, it caused much psychic and emotional distress. To millions in one second at the same time. Our entire society at that time.

I've described what I saw, felt and did watching Ruby shoot Oswald on live TV many times.

I was 12 years old.

My entire young body involuntarily leaped from a laying down position on my bed to a full standing one in one motion.

I couldn't believe what I had just seen.

I was by myself. 

And, again without conscious thought,  I just started shouting ... "NO WAY - NO WAY - NO WAY  " over and over !

The killing was so improbable right inside the DPD's own building I instantly felt great dark suspicion about it all. 

Still to this day, I consider my experience of watching Ruby kill Oswald live on national TV right in front of my own eyes that morning the most government power reality perception changing event in my life.

Could those forum members here ( and visitors as well ) who also watched the live broadcast of Ruby whacking Oswald on national TV on 11/24/1963 please state so?

One sentence would do. I'm just really curious what percentage of the forum had this unique experience. And your reaction when it happened?

Those of us who watched the event live on TV that day are part of a special yet ever shrinking club imo.

Maybe we should create an honorary medal or ribbon of some sort to wear to future JFKA events? 

I was there baby! 

Sure sounds like a worthy read imo.

Every JFKA truth caring and seeking person pieces together research findings in their own way.

It's the only rational process one has to satisfy their own sense of true reality and truth.

I am curious about this author's multiple source drawn assemblage.

Just here on this forum I have drawn much of my JFKA truth take from our own members and much from their general ( although much more too ) focus areas:

Joseph McBride -Tippit and the media cover up.

Jim Di - JFK's foreign policy and Jim Garrison.

Vince Palamara - The SS.

And so many others.

Throw in past researchers Mark Lane, Jim Garrison and again, so many others.

We know them all.

Even Seth Kantor regards Jack Ruby.

Testimony of hundreds in the WC hearings and the later JFKA hearings.

Too many book titles "Killing Kennedy" ?

That's for sure.