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  1. 47 minutes ago, David Josephs said:

    Or he really was on the roof and didn't and doesn't want people to be aware of said fact....

    I ask you again... why would his being there present a problem in the protection of the president other than Decker telling his men to stand down?

    If he was up there, Why does Decker put him up there and not tout how his men had the route covered...  He could have easily shot into the 6th floor window... if anyone was actually shooting from there.

    Were any security men put on any roof tops in downtown Dallas that day?

    Equipped with binoculars, radios and scoped rifles?

    Scanning any high building open windows beneath them especially as JFK was passing directly underneath?

    If you've ever seen the Mark Lane "Rush To Judgement" documentary interview of J.C. Price you would instantly see how incredibly beneficial it would have been to have had armed security on the top of the Terminal Annex building overlooking Dealey Plaza on 11,22,1963.

    J.C. Price was the Terminal Annex building maintenance man who perched himself on it's roof that day and who watched the JFK motorcade proceed through the Plaza beneath him.

    Lane shows us Price's views. He could see "everything" below in the entire Plaza including a direct clear view of the Texas School Book Depository building straight across from his building and the entire grassy knoll area including the parking area behind the picket fence and pergola.

    How any JFK security responsible parties missed such an incredibly perfect security location as JFK was passing right underneath is sad.

    Too bad Annex maintenance man J.C. Price wasn't deputized and given at least binoculars and a DPD connected radio during his time on his building roof top that day.

  2. On 3/30/2017 at 9:44 AM, Don Jeffries said:

    I recounted a very strange phone conversation I had with Weitzman's nephew in my book Hidden History. The fear was obvious in his voice as he kept saying, "I don't know nothing!" That's some conspiracy, that can still frighten the nephew of a  police officer who was associated with an assassination some fifty years earlier. 

    As both the HSCA report and Michael Canfield noted, Weitzman's mental illness, such as it was, was directly connected to the events on November 22, 1963. He was a crucial witness, and it's a real shame that he wasn't thoroughly interviewed by researchers, especially before his mental breakdown. I was unable to track down his niece, who seems to have been more interested in the case, and would probably have had a lot to say.  

     

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  3. 21 hours ago, Denny Zartman said:

    I've seen it argued that the misidentification was because they just glanced at it.

    First of all, what cop "glances" at at what is a murder weapon and the most important piece of evidence they will ever touch in their entire lifetimes?

    As a Dallas policeman or sheriff, you are in the most heightened attention span and focus mental mode of your life the day of the JFK assassination AND you are standing right inside the actual supposed shooters location, frantically looking for any evidence you can find.

    One or two of you actually find a rifle and shout out ..."here it is!" or "we found it."

    The finder knows he is a living, integral part of one of the most impacting historical events in America's history.

    Like Denny says...this was the most important piece of evidence any of the policemen there ever come into hands on contact with in their lives...and they knew it.

    Every cop standing in that circle looking at that rifle surely were mesmerized enough to look at it with more scrutiny than any other weapon they ever came into contact with.

    Weitzman..".to my sorrow...I made a mistake in identifying the rifle as a Mauser."

    Weitzman eventually had a nervous breakdown in the early seventies. He was actually institutionalized. 

    According to some his involvement in the JFK assassination investigation was at least a part of this breakdown.

    Roger Craig also died as a result of his JFK assassination involvement as well.

    One can imagine a possible incredible stress on someone like Constable Seymore Weitzman.

    Imagine he really did see a Mauser on the 6th floor or the TXSBD building that day. And he was telling the truth to everyone about it being a Mauser.

    If he was coerced into retracting his initial identification by forces he felt were powerful and meant business and he truly feared for his life, he would also know the JFK assassination was a conspiracy.

    Having to keep a truth that big and important inside of him out of fear the rest of his life...could very logically send him over the edge.

    Weitzman also once stated two Cubans invaded his home and he had to chase them away with a gun.

    What was THAT all about!

     

  4. Remarkable that such a hugely important identification claim of the rifle used to kill the President could make it to the highest level of national news broadcasts with our most famous TV news broadcasters like Charles Collingswood and Walter Cronkite himself being allowed to report that the rifle was ID'd as a Mauser (for two days! ) before someone back in Dallas got it right?

    Seems someone like Day and especially Constable Seymour Weitzman himself would have caught their mistaken ID before their Mauser ID went national.

    Didn't Weitzman wait one or more days before going on TV to publicly correct his mistaken ID for the found rifle? Seems he would have caught his mistake as soon as Cronkite and dozens of other national news people were telling the world of his identification of the murder weapon as a Mauser the day and evening of the assassination.

    That long time period before Weitzman sheepishly and embarrassingly confessing his grossly negligent ID of the rifle is what gives me suspicion thoughts about the whole affair.

  5. 48 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

     

    Joe,

    It's a parlor trick. Fire a bullet into a block of soft pine wood of uniform density. It breaks the surface and enters the wood. What is it supposed to do then? It can't become deformed because the pine surrounding it keeps it from expanding laterally. The only thing it can do is travel straight through it till all the kinetic energy has converted to heat from the friction.

     

    BUMP

  6. There was something clearly heroic in JFK.

    Theodore White didn't have to write a "myth" that wasn't true.

    Like Lincoln, JFK took a bullet to the brain for what he believed in regards trying to steer the American ideal back towards it's constitutional democracy equal rights roots. 

    Taking it back from the wealth corrupted powers to be ( Eisenhower's MIC Complex? )  who had been guiding it's course more for their self-interests than our Constitution/ Bill Of Rights common good one imo.

    JFK's American University speech was one of the most profoundly heroic speeches any American President ever made.

    What would any great historic leader have to do in their lifetime to qualify as a hero to White?

    Was JFK flawed? Ha, of course. What human history hero wasn't? He was an extra-marital affair sex addict.

    Yet, his courage to stand up for and brutally die young for humanitarian common good rights and values in the face of deadly dangerous secret adversaries really did make him a true knight in Camelot imo.

     

     

     

  7. What part of Ruby's statement do researchers not understand?

    He is stating in the simplest, most clear way that LBJ being the succeeding president was a factor in JFK's killing.

    Ruby also handed Sheriff Al Maddox a handwritten note that stated his killing Oswald was part of a conspiracy.

    Truly disturbingly incongruous what the main stream media and lone nut proponents chose to accept and or ignore regards everything Jack Ruby stated or wrote that claimed the events of November 22nd thru 24th 1963 were part of a conspiracy.

  8. 1 hour ago, Lance Payette said:

    What the bullet coulda, shoulda, woulda looked like is a matter of ballistics, not medical opinion. When I saw a 6.5 Carcano penetrate 21" of pine and look as pristine as CE 399 (if not more so) when it was retrieved, I tuned out of the Magic Bullet debate.

    Going through 21 inches of solid pine and showing less damage than the Magic Bullet?

    Really?

    We live in a Pine tree forest.

    I guarantee you that if someone fired a rifle bullet into a 21 inch thick pine tree, an exiting bullet would not look like the Magic Bullet. In fact, the bullet would have been lodged in the tree.

    Now, a 50 caliber bullet? 

  9. 38 minutes ago, Lance Payette said:

    This is kind of fascinating, just in case anyone hasn't seen it: https://www.tsl.texas.gov/sites/default/files/public/tslac/landing/documents/jfk-damaged-clothing18.pdf. There are really close-up color photos of the damage to every item of Connally's clothing.

    The hole in the pants leg is "3⁄8 inches wide; ¼ inches high" according to the site. Whether that is "too small" for the bullet, I lack the expertise to say.

    The pristine bullet made that dinky hole in the pant leg after ripping shreads through his other clothing?

  10. 8 hours ago, David Von Pein said:

    Thanks, Joe, for that very well-thought-out post. I agree with just about everything you said here. Except for one thing: your criticism of the DeMohrenschildts. They didn't move to Haiti after the assassination. It was in May of '63, IIRC, which was months before Marina's "nightmare" began. Isn't that right? Correct me on the timeline if I'm mistaken.

    Bonus Marina Video From 1964 (with Marina being very self-conscious about that missing front tooth):

     

    Wow!

    She was so guarded.

    Thinking, thinking, after each question, keeping her answers as short as possible, often one word.

    Remember, she had her own self-interests to think about and that of her children.

    One wrong answer could have really opened her up to self-incrimination and had Dan Rather jumping out of his chair even more than he did.

    She is surrounded by older men. Not one female to make her feel a little more at ease?

    When asked where her husband got the funds to go to Mexico City she seemed very hesitant. She looked down for the longest time of the interview. She eventually simply said..."he worked? or "he have job?"

    When asked why she didn't do anything after her husband shot at Walker ( like reporting him? ) she said simply..."I his wife."

    Notice in this interview as I mentioned, how Marina could not allow herself to smile enough to expose her missing tooth? Keeping this embarrassed self-consciousness constantly on her mind had to have been a heavy burden for her.

    I will say for someone who stated she never practiced English, she did very well in expressing her thoughts and answers more often than not imo.

    She still held back here. When asked if Lee were an angry person she said no.

    As much as she and Lee argued and fought about so many things, one could conclude he was angry and frustrated more than the average person...again imo. 

    When asked if she wanted to get married again Marina instantly and emphatically said..."no."

    I noticed a long let down pause in that older male audience and their next questions.

     

    In answer to many questions Marina did not give an answer except to say "I didn't know." I think this was a purposeful defensive safety measure on her part.

    In this interview and the "Marina, what do you do all day" one I strongly sensed Marina was a very intelligent and thoughtful, thinking person. Her eyes seemed to reveal this in spades.

    She seems like she could think three moves ahead and not be caught short with an impulsive thoughtless answer that could harm her.

    Yes, George and Jeannie DeMohrenschildts did leave for Haiti many months before 11,22,1963.

    I wonder though if Jeannie De M. may have felt at least some motherly instinct protectiveness toward this all alone 22 year old young mother from her and George's homeland during the firestorm she was thrust into from that day?

    I could imagine Jeannie saying to George..." that poor girl...maybe I should go back and give her some support?" And George shouting back "Are you crazy?  They'll think we know something more about Lee that would really get us in trouble!"

    Lastly, I must admit to a deep primal physical attraction bias toward Marina that to this day I can't seem to easily override intellectually in judging her objectively regards everything she said and was in the scheme of the entire story.

    When I view Marina in this interview and the "What do you do all day?" one I am just smittenly mesmerized by every aspect of her. To this day I find her in that time frame irresistibly beautiful.

    Excuse this silly off topic sharing...however, I think Marina effected so many in this same way that it effected how she was treated and viewed.

    Even to give a little weight to the suggested theory that believing he lost his beautiful young and intriguing wife's affections for good, maybe Lee decided to throw everything to the winds and do the self-destructive unthinkable?

     

     

  11. 14 hours ago, David Von Pein said:

    I would think so. But even if he didn't, he could have gotten some ammo at a rifle range someplace, couldn't he? I don't see that as a problem. Except for the fact that LHO, by all accounts, was an el-cheapo penny-pincher.

    People forget that Oswald did tip at least one service provider.

    His taxi fare from the bus stop near Dealey to his N. Beckley room was 95 cents.

    Lee gave the driver a dollar bill and told him to keep the nickel change.

    Seriously, Marina did state in her WC testimony ( or later testimony or interviews? ) that Lee would go to the park with his rifle and shoot leaves.

    And that Lee once went somewhere near "Lop Field" to practice shooting also.

    Clearly Marina was all over the map in her WC testimony and during the relentless questioning of her previously.

    Contradicting herself endlessly.

    However, I think most everyone completely miss a starkly obvious reality truth regards Marina.

    Truly, honestly, try to put yourself into her traumatized reality shoes during all this time.

    I don't think anyone can imagine the incredible stress circumstances she was under.

    Feeling terrified for herself and her children's well being. Feeling she may be hated for being married to JFK's anointed killer? Maybe deported?

    Maybe she herself would be charged with crimes like not reporting her husband's Walker shooting incident?

    Shuffled to and fro. Questioned relentlessly. Baby just months old?

    Monstrously over-bearing mother-in-law trying to control her.

    Just 22 years old? Completely poverty stricken. No family here to support her?

    Marina had to go through all that with no make up, unkempt hair and saddest of all facing everyone with a glaring missing tooth in her front teeth? 

    She was very self-conscious of her bad teeth. Would not smile because of them.

    How humiliating for her in that regards alone.

    Marina was also self-conscious/embarrassed about her poor English speaking skills.

    Jackie Kennedy had a nervous breakdown immediately after JFK had his head blown apart inches from her eyes. She was in traumatizing shock. Had to take sedatives. Had tons of support.

    Marina had nothing and no one to help her get through her own living nightmare.

    Her and Lee's supposed mother and father figure caring friends Jeanne and George De Mohrenchildst got the hell out of Dodge and ran off to Haiti leaving Marina to face her nightmare all alone.

    The fact she did as well as she did showed incredible inner strength and courage imo.

    Her conflicting testimony was justified under all those circumstances imo.

    Most 22 year old barely English speaking women and with two babies and under unimaginable fear stress ( my husband killed a President? ) shoes would have collapsed emotionally at some point imo.

     

  12. 6 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

    Yes, let's don't forget those tests they did on cadaver wrists.  Which smashed the nose of the bullet alone.  Much less deteriorated speed from inaccurately speculated about passing through JFK's neck and JC's back and chest. 

    Connally's rib and wrist bone fractures could not be duplicated without much more damage to a Carcano bullet versus the Magic Bullet.

    Kind of end of story for me.

    And the MB just happened to fling out of the wrist with a velocity so slow that it's bottom just barely penetrated the thigh skin to leave a microscopic flake?

    And Connally surgery doctors Gregory, Shires and Shaw were confounded by not finding the Connolly damaging bullet at all?

    Did they order their support staff to look for it in Connally's clothing?

    Did they never find it?

    Some one else outside of the surgery room finds it on a stretcher?  Was there blood on this found bullet?

    How long was it that these three doctors were told of the stretcher found bullet?

    Did Dr. Shaw state he didn't believe the Magic Bullet could have caused Connally bone fractures and look as pristine as it was?

    I think I'll give Shaw's credibility factor more weight than Spector and others.

     

  13. 10 hours ago, Greg Doudna said:

    Comments on Oswald and Mexico City

    Nothing about Oswald going to Mexico City assists, but only complicates, the Warren Commission conclusion that Oswald acted alone in killing President Kennedy. It runs counter to interest for the FBI and Warren Commission et al to fabricate evidence or influence witnesses or marionette-string Marina to have her say Oswald did go to Mexico City, after ca. midnight Nov 22, 1963. 

    If there was incentive to cover up or suborn some witnesses to perjure testimony a certain way etc., would that not work in the opposite direction, toward if possible denying Oswald went to Mexico City? Was there even a brief period of time in which a complete coverup of Oswald's having been in Mexico City was contemplated at the LBJ/Hoover level? (But not carried out because it could not be carried out?)

    As Steve Roe notes Silvia Duran's and the Cuban consulate's information was in Oswald's address book. There is no secure evidence Oswald was anywhere else during the days of Mexico City. Oswald wrote a draft of a letter in his handwriting in which he refers to having been in Mexico City. Marina spilled it that he had been to Mexico City. I have come to see that the Silvia Odio visit, far from being an argument against the Mexico City trip as often perceived and as the Warren Commission considered a difficulty, is a strong argument in support of it for this reason: the date of the Silvia Odio three-person visit can be securely established by argument to have been early eve. Wed. Sept 25, 1963. (More likely earlier evening according to Annie Odio's testimony than later in the evening of Silvia's, from Houston logistics considerations.)

    Apart from the independent argument establishing that date, there is a further argument supporting that Wednesday date that I have not seen cited: in the very tiny and runon handwritten letter of Silvia's father, from his imprisonment in Cuba and writing past the eyes of his Cuban censors, Odio Sr. writes advice to family members and includes, buried in the tiny, runon difficult-to read handwritten sentences, a line of advice to Silvia to not go out Wednesday evenings with her girlfriends, that he does not think that is a good idea, at the same time telling her whoever claimed to know him on that occasion she must verify before believing. It may be that the "Wednesday evening" reference (not any other day of the week) is an allusion to what Silvia wrote in her letter to him (which has not survived, but it is clear she wrote him of the three-man visit to her), and supports that it occurred on a Wednesday evening, i.e. Wed Sept 25. Silvia was going out the evening the three men including Oswald visited her; Odio Sr. answering her letter about that visit comments on her going out on Wednesday evenings, q.e.d. a Wednesday, supporting the Wed Sept 25 date.

    The point about the Wed Sept 25 date of the Silvia Odio incident is that is precisely the correct time to account for Oswald having been driven, first from New Orleans to Dallas that day, and then from Dallas to Houston that evening, to catch the bus from Houston onward for the Mexico City trip. The Warren Commission could find no evidence of or realistic mechanism of Oswald getting from New Orleans to Houston by bus, but assumed it must have happened that way anyway, when the solution is there was no bus to Houston for Oswald, but instead a witnessed presence of Oswald in a car being driven at exactly the right time on that trip. It resolves that mystery. The juxtaposition of the timing is the argument here that it was part of the Mexico City trip, and therefore that Oswald did go to Mexico City.

    In addition according to sworn testimony, Oswald himself talked of the Mexico City trip in his final interrogation, not to Fritz, but to federal officials questioning him, as told by postal inspector Holmes who was present. This can be combined with calling into question the common report that Oswald denied he went to Mexico City in his interrogations. Oswald's words directly are not known to have been recorded, and have been represented as having him deny to Fritz that he went to Mexico City when asked in his first interrogation.

    Agreed-upon facts are that the question was asked of Oswald by Fritz at Hosty's urging, and whatever Oswald replied was cut off by a knock on the door and Oswald then taken out for a lineup. The issue is what exactly did Oswald say in response to the question before the interruption. Hosty in little-known sworn testimony to the Church Committee, and I believe elsewhere (not only to the Church Committee), was very clear (in that testimony, though Hosty says the opposite in his book Assignment: Oswald) that Oswald did not answer the question before the interruption. There is no known record of Fritz ever asking that question again. So although it is widely believed and claimed that Oswald denied he went to Mexico City, there is some conflicting evidence on that point, competing hearsay, and it is not fully clear that he denied it.

    Whatever he actually answered on Friday, by Sunday morning Oswald was openly discussing his Mexico City trip. I was surprised to notice that according to an account of Leavelle of the Dallas Police, he (Leavelle) and Fritz drank coffee in a restaurant across the street for a good part of the time between 10 am and 11:20, before it was time for Oswald to be brought down from Fritz's office for the transfer to be killed. (According to the accounts I can see, Fritz though in charge of the transfer does not appear to have been hands-on in charge of its timing, with the insistence on the risky daytime transfer from Chief Curry, who was receiving orders from the mayor's office above his level on that, though the whole issue of who was responsible for what is murky. ) Therefore the objection that Fritz never mentions Oswald speaking of Mexico City Sunday morning in Fritz's written reports of the interrogations may have a possible explanation in that Fritz and Leavelle were across the street drinking coffee when Oswald talked about Mexico City on Sunday morning. Leavelle:

    "Around 10: AM while the Federal agents were talking to Oswald, Captain Fritz asked me if I would like a cup of coffee. We walked across the street to the White Plaza Hotel Coffee Shop had coffee and discussed the transfer. On our way back to the office ... By the time we returned to the third floor office it was about eleven AM. The federal agents were bringing to a close their questioning of Oswald ... ("Detective Leavelle's Personal Notes", n.d., https://www.seandegrilla.com/detective-leavelle-s-personal-notes)

    That is, according to this account of Leavelle, Fritz was not even present most of the time before it was time for Oswald to go below to be killed. Here is what Holmes said was going on:

    Mr. BELIN. Anything else about Russia? Did he ever say anything about going to Mexico? Was that ever covered?
    Mr. HOLMES. Yes. To the extent that mostly about--well--he didn't spend, "Where did you get the money?" He didn't have much money and he said it didn't cost much money. He did say that where he stayed it cost $26 some odd, small ridiculous amount to eat, and another ridiculous small amount to stay all night, and that he went to the Mexican Embassy to try to get this permission to go to Russia by Cuba, but most of the talks that he wanted to talk about was how he got by with a little amount.
    They said, "Well, who furnished you the money to go to Mexico?"
    "Well, it didn't take much money." And it was along that angle, was the conversation.
    Mr. BELIN. Did he admit that he went to Mexico?
    Mr. HOLMES. Oh, yes.

    Mr. BELIN. Did he say what community in Mexico he went to?
    Mr. HOLMES. Mexico City.
    Mr. BELIN. Did he say what he did while he was there?
    Mr. HOLMES. He went to the Mexican consulate, I guess.
    (Discussion off the record.)
    Mr. BELIN. Now, with regard to this Mexican trip, did he say who he saw in Mexico?
    Mr. HOLMES. Only that he went to the Mexican consulate or Embassy or something and wanted to get permission, or whatever it took to get to Cuba. They refused him and he became angry and he said he burst out of there, and I don't know. I don't recall now why he went into the business about how mad it made him.
    He goes over to the Russian Embassy. He was already at the American. This was the Mexican--he wanted to go to Cuba.
    Then he went to the Russian Embassy and he said, because he said then he wanted to go to Russia by way of Cuba, still trying to get to Cuba and try that angle and they refused and said, "Come back in 30 days," or something like that. And, he went out of there angry and disgusted.
    Mr. BELIN. Did he go to the Cuban Embassy, did he say or not?
    Mr. HOLMES. He may have gone there first, but the best of my recollection, it might have been Cuban and then the Russian, wherever he went at first, he wanted to get to Cuba, and then he went to the Russian to go by Cuba.
    Mr. BELIN. Did he say why he wanted to go to Cuba?
    Mr. HOLMES. No.
    Mr. BELIN. Did--this wasn't reported in your interview in the memorandum that you wrote?
    Mr. HOLMES. No.
    Mr. BELIN. Is this something that you think you might have picked up from just reading the papers, or is this something you remember hearing?
    Mr. HOLMES. That is what he said in there. 

    Again, I do not understand the logic that all these witnesses were fabricating testimony--under oath with all the seriousness that means for personal jeopardy let alone conscience--and that physical evidence was being fabricated and planted to show Oswald was in Mexico City, against interest, when the interest of LBJ and Hoover after ca. midnight Nov 22, and then the Warren Commission appear to run in the opposite direction. I do not understand the thinking that says the FBI and Warren Commission were furiously undertaking extraordinarily elaborate machinations to fabricate witness testimony and physical evidence of an Oswald trip to Mexico City that never happened, when it flies in the face of plausibility and counter to reasonable motive. (What was going on in Mexico City when Oswald was there is of course a whole other set of issues, not to the point here.) There is also the question of was the CIA itself fooled, or was it knowingly fooling other agencies in reporting that Oswald had visited the Soviet embassy in Mexico City, and did the CIA have a track record of being fooled or fooling other agencies in that manner (I doubt it). 

    Did the Mexico City bound bus Oswald reportedly boarded in Houston leave in the evening?

    Here's a great conundrum regards Oswald.

    He couldn't have made more of an effort to be publicly noticed and noticed by our intelligence and FBI agencies in the 4 or 5 months leading up to the "Big Event."

    He is so noticed in downtown NO passing out pro-Cuba leaflets in broad daylight he is photographed, filmed, arrested and put on radio and TV there.

    Passing out pro-Cuba leaflets in super hot anti-Castro NO at that time was the equivalent to bull horn calling for new Marine recruits on the campus of UC Berkeley in 1969.

    Begging for a physical confrontation commotion such as he had with Bringuier and his boys. More drama to be noticed even more.

    Oswald then goes to Mexico City and simply walks up to the main entrances of the most surveilled Embassies there with cameras everywhere and everything he says tape recorded.

    Oswald isn't so dumb he is unaware of how much he will be photographed, recorded, tracked, even followed doing these laughably overt shenanigans at these most important adversarial embassies loaded with spies.

    Oswald was purposely thrusting himself into a ( I'm here, I'm crazy, I'm angry and making scenes ) highest level political intrigue limelight so aggressively it screams illogicalness to a totally suspicious degree.

    He burst into the Dallas FBI offices and angrily leaves a note demanding they leave his wife alone?

    Oswald had to be mentally detached in deciding to do JFK right from his place of work and thinking he could get away with it...knowing he had created an intelligence file the thickness of a telephone book with all the most politically crazy and extreme antics he was publicly participating in, in just the last 4 months before 11,22,1963.

    Oswald seemed much more intelligent and thoughtful in his words and demeanor after being arrested than the stupid "look at me everybody" politically extreme publicity hound he was in the months leading up to 11,22,1963.

     

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