Did any of our most powerful main stream media giants back in 1963/64 ever even consider doing a seriously well financed and well staffed journalistic investigation into the JFK and Oswald assassinations?

Anything close to our first independent and individual effort investigators and researchers?

Or were they told ( ordered ) by LBJ and Hoover to leave it all alone?

Seems like the only nationally famous MSM personality willing to do so was Dorothy Killgallen. 

And that poor woman ( mother of a young child ) was found dead, sitting up fully dressed and made up ( still wearing her hair piece ) in a bed and air conditioning on full blast bedroom she rarely used, with a book sitting in front of her upside down, a water glass on a bed table beyond her reach and after telling her closest confidants she was about to blow the Jack Ruby trial story wide open ???

2 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

- Donald Trump -

“A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.”

 

I wonder if Trump is going to form a new country, and what he will call it.

Steve Thomas

In the last week alone, Trump's already "MOST U.S. DEMOCRACY AND CONSTITUTION VIOLATING, THREATENING AND ATTACKING PRESIDENT EVER" legacy 

was etched into Mount Rushmore sized stone even deeper than before...if that is imaginable and possible with the following trifecta of Trump's outrageously terrible actions:

His public displayed dinner at his personal home with two of the most well known American Democracy dumb and Jewish holocaust truth denying and defiling characters one could imagine.

Next comes Trump's nationally reported outrageous comments suggesting changing our constitution because he feels he was defrauded of the presidency under it's current form and implementation.

And thirdly, a loss of the most important U.S. Senate race in years by the Republicans because of Trump's inane pick for the Republican candidacy would cap this last week's disastrous Trump legacy pounding to an epic degree.

The man simply can't help himself.

He lives in a self-serving and self-aggrandizing and promoting delusional bubble so out of touch with reality it's scary...imo anyways.

1 hour ago, Cliff Varnell said:

It was Trump who gave the rich a 6% tax cut and everyone else 0.5%.

Says it all.

The wealthy of America protecting and even enhancing their wealth. 

The lower 75% can fight over the crumbs.

Can anyone bring back the pictures of the tall, thin, flat cap hat wearing, umbrella man seat mate black man walking around the knoll seconds after the shooting which clearly shows a bulge in his back coat or upper pants area?

My recollection was you could clearly see an unusual and pronounced protrusion from his backside which could not have been simple folds of the jacket or shadows.

Also, not one person to this day has ever come forward to identify this first shot close up sidewalk JFK hand and arm waving, 24 inch close sitting next to Umbrella man, aimless running around, Morgan Freeman look-alike fellow in 59 years?

Still trying to downsize my next photo to be able to post it. Despite help from a member I just can't seem to figure out how to do this.

1 hour ago, Miles Massicotte said:

Yes. The fact that an interrogation of a suspect for the biggest political assassination in history wasn't taped is still something that people should be upset about.

"Upset about?"

Outrageously suspicious about.

Not doing so was so illogically and professionally irresponsible it was absurd.

One of the most powerful dynamics in the deserved suspicion equation.

Unbelievable that Oswald wasn't taped in his DPD interrogations.

Without a stenographer present and nothing tape recorded all we have are Fritz's notes?

Oswald on Ruth Paine ..."Don't try to pull her into this." ?

Oswald ... "now everyone will know who I am." ?

At least Oswald's comment "I am just a patsy" was officially recorded and heard worldwide. We "know" he said this.

Did the DPD tape record Lee O. and his brother Robert's jail house conversation? If they did, that proves they had the equipment on hand to do so.

Fritz interrogation style was generally not to have them tape recorded?

So he and his men could get away with any abuse in that process without a record of them doing so?

Oswald was screwed in the hands of the DPD. No legal counsel for him at any point?

Then the ultimate screwing...murdered in their custody right in their own building?

On 11/8/2022 at 1:20 PM, James DiEugenio said:

Let us line it all up to see the evidence plainly.

 

1. The Marine Oswald, a radar operator, begins to "teach himself Russian".   One of the most difficult languages to learn.

2. He takes a Russian test, in which he gets about half of the queries correct.

3. Oswald applies for a hardship discharge,  which are hard to get. The only reason for this could be that his mom had an accident at work.  Which disrupted her sinuses.

4. Oswald continues to study Russian.  In fact when Dan Campbell goes to the base for rifle instruction, he missed his plane, so he was told to sleep in Oswald's bunk. The C. O. said, the guy misses a lot of days.

5. Oswald meets with a relative of a colleague, Rosaleen Quinn. Quinn had been tutored for a year in Russian in preparation for a State Dept. test.  Quinn was impressed, she said Oswald spoke Russian better than she did.

6. Oswald applies for attendance at Albert Schweitzer College (ASC) in Switzerland, a college so obscure that the FBI could not find it! It took two months for the Swiss police to find it!

7. Oswald's assignment was to end on Dec 7, 1959.  Instead, he applied for a hardship discharge on August 17, 1959, just four months before the expiration. 

8. Question:  if the excuse was to care for his mother and her sinuses, then why did he request a passport?  You do not need a passport to go from California to Texas, and one destination listed was ASC.

9. Further, when his mother went to see a doctor about her sinuses, she told him her son wanted to defect to Russia. This was nine months before Oswald's discharge.

10. From when Oswald filed his petition to when it was approved, took ten days. Four days later it was directed that Oswald be released from active duty.

11. When the HSCA interviewed one of the board members on the discharge committee, he said it usually took 3-6 months to process a hardship discharge. Nelson Delgado also said, it usually took a long time to get a hardship discharge.

12. In other words, it should have been a shorter time for Oswald to just get his normal discharge than to apply for a hardship one.  

13. What makes this even more strange is this. Oswald spent all of three days in Fort Worth once he got out. Hmm. What about his poor mother? That was obviously a pretext, perhaps on both sides.

14. On his application, he wrote that he was going to get into the import-export business in New Orleans.  Well, he did pick up his passport at the ITM.

 

And we have not even got to the shenanigans at the CIA with his file, or what the  Russians did with him. Or Otto Otepka!

 

Someone had to instruct Oswald in how to get to Russia. Can't believe he figured out the right travel plans to do this on his own.

Didn't doing so require specific train and flight info and routes through the right Euro countries. Especially for an American. Correct? 

Was there a bookstore, public library access manual that explained all this?

Like James Earl Ray planned his escape route on his own as well?

Extremely uneducated and poor petty thief Ray had never traveled out of the country in his life. But after MLK he dons suits he never wore in his life. He gets a fake passport made up. He's got good money on him. He's already made a flight and was on his way to Europe?

International travel takes a lot different knowledge than simply running bootleg moonshine in the Kentucky backwoods.

Ray didn't plan and finance all this on his own. It was beyond his lifetime experience habits, knowledge and financial means.

So who set up Ray's escape plan and paid him more money than he ever had in his life?

Assuming Oswald took the potshot at Walker.

He planned this for weeks. He had pictures. He had maps. He had an escape plan with timelines for the bus ride back home and a plan for burying his rifle near the railroad tracks. In a way that he could come back and retrieve it later.

He ran after one missed shot logically thinking Walker would be calling the cops and/or someone in the neighborhood hearing the loud rifle shot would also do so.

At least he had a somewhat rational escape plan and it worked. 

I do wonder how he got his rifle to Walker's house while only riding buses?

With the JFK scenario however, he has to leave his rifle behind. He knows the authorities will soon find it and know it belongs to him. He knows there are pictures of him holding the rifle and carrying the pistol he allegedly used on Tippit. 

Different than the Walker shooting, the JFK one was a no escape suicide mission. Oswald had to know this.

Or, it wasn't supposed to be and his escape ride never showed up and he soon knew his goose was cooked. 

Oswald proclaiming his innocence from capture to his death, never wavering and also stating he was a patsy is just too contrary to the WC finding that his motive was for personal fame and recognition. A man that changed history for his perceived belief that what he was doing in taking out JFK would facilitate that change?

Yet, Oswald himself said things would not change with LBJ left to be president.

The conundrum about Oswald is too many things are contrary in everyway. Motive, actions, statements to the press, To a degree that you can't help but conclude that they are just too contrary. 

2 hours ago, Michael Clark said:

I would be glad to help you, Joe. PM me and I can walk you through it. 

How do I PM you?

Will do so in the morning.

Thanks MC.

2 minutes ago, Matt Allison said:

Seems like this could be a problem...

 

Wow!

21 minutes ago, Tom Gram said:

This. I will add though that the motive proposed by lone assassin theorists for why Oswald denied killing JFK, whether he just wanted to be a “big man in history” or it was something political, requires such a ridiculous stretch of the imagination that the only way to reconcile it with Oswald’s alleged behavior that day, the Tippit shooting in particular, is if Oswald was just flat out psychotic. 

I have also offered this same consideration.

Yet, Marina says she didn't see anything that crazy with her husband while they were in Russia, with the switch to the very risky violent talk and behavior starting a year or so after they arrived here in the states.

Shooting at Walker was crazy and telling his wife all about it must have been terrifying to her.  I want to hijack a plane to Cuba and Marina you can help me do this. 

What tripped the crazy murder minded switch in Oswald?

Did David Ferrie Manchurian Candidate hypnotize Oswald? Or could this have happened to Oswald in his time in Russia?

14 hours ago, Matt Allison said:

Reagan closed the mental hospitals back in the 80s, thus starting the homelessness crisis in America.

Reagan shut the mental ward doors when he was California's governor. Back in the late 60's and early 70's.

Ran into a retired aerospace related career man walking outside of our local theater after watching Speilberg's latest film "The Fablemans."

We talked as our wives were late coming from their end of film relief jaunt.

I asked him..."are UFO's real?"

He responded ... "I think they are mostly ours."

End of discussion as my wife yelled at me " Quit jabbering and get your walker into the backseat."

"I'm hungry and need to eat."

On 11/30/2022 at 7:15 PM, Matt Allison said:

Reagan closed the mental hospitals back in the 80s, thus starting the homelessness crisis in America.

Reagan did this back around 1970.

Yes, absolutely one of the initial homeless causes in California. Many of those mental patients were shuttled into apartment houses converted into residences/shelters.

I worked in one in Santa Monica back in 1972.

Almost all failed and reverted back into separate residence apartments.

How do I change my member profile photo?

Was the Mark Lane PB interview a good one?

5 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

. Property zoning. I like to say there are no atheists in foxholes, and no libertarians or progressives when neighborhood property zoning is under review. 

Where I live, the majority of city council members are rental property owners!

In Monterey recently, every one!

Rental property owners are so aggressive in protecting their interests.

I was told by someone high up in Water management that the main force against building new housing ( at least in our area ) was the wealthy that own rental property.

They don't want to lose the incredible one-sided supply and demand advantage they have in rental property. 

That demand keeps their ability to charge higher than take home pay rental fees and 25 page 100% landlord favoring lease agreements intact.

These rental property owners know where the power is in this game. City, county and state government. 

Studio apartments are $2,000 a month here. For each added bedrooms add $300 to $500 more a month.

A $16 an hour full time job pays $2,000 a month take home.

Not even enough to pay the rent, let alone water, utilities, food, transportation ( car repair, upkeep, registration, insurance and gas ) health care, clothing, etc. etc.

In the 1950's and 60's and even 1970's, the federal government General Services department actually issued cost of living advice which stated that American citizens ideally should not pay more than 1/3rd of their take home pay on housing.

To keep to that healthy living housing budget advice today...the typical Californian would have to earn at least 6,000 dollars take home pay a month. $45 to $50 an hour!

And people wonder why the homeless problem is exploding?

The cost of basic living in California versus wages for 65% of it's working or fixed income citizens is actually a real "Public Health" crisis.

It's stressing millions in unprecedented ways.

Doing without other basic needs, never ending mental worry and anxiety with related health problems day in and day out for years. Young people by the millions ( even 30 to 40 year olds ) can't even afford apartments on their own and have to live back with their parents.

Young people are not marrying and having kids because of the unprecedented imbalance of job pay versus rent.

Unaffordable housing on this scale and for decades now has had massive societal impact...in the worst possible ways.

5 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

Joe, That was my reaction, when I started hearing about all this stuff with Sinatra, Marilyn, JFK, the Kennedy's visiting. It always seemed pretty tacky to me in the late 60's early 70's. North shore.  It must have been nicer in back then if you were well connected.Of course most of the action was down on  South Shore.

I remember in my bed with a transistor radio under my pillow so I wouldn't risk my parents hearing it, and listening to the 16 inning shut out pitching duel between Juan Marichal and  40 year old Warren Spahn that was ended by a Mays Home Run in the bottom of the 16th! Probably the greatest pitching duel of all time!  The Giants finished with 8 hits, and the Braves with 7!

You could wait at a place near the player parking lot at Candlestick for the players to come out. I got Willie Mays, Juan Marichal's and Willie Mac Covey's autographs during a couple of visits. But i don't have them anymore.

Thanks for sharing about that greatest pitching duel.

What an incredible game! I missed that one.

We kids loved listening to the Giants so much, we would carry a transister radio with us to do so. 

Marichal so often had one-on-one duels with the likes of Hall Of Fame pitchers Koufax, Drysdale, Spahn, Gibson, Bunning, Ferguson Jenkins.

And incredibly, he won more times than he lost against those other super star pitchers. Check his career won/loss record!

Man, baseball in the 60's had so many superstars. Pitchers and hitters.

Hitters like Aaron, Mays, Mantle, Clemente, Banks, Cepeda, McCovey, Stargell, Frank Robinson, Jimmy Wynn, Ron Santo, Billy Williams, Lou Brock, Frank Howard, Harmon Killebrew, Richie ( Dick) Allen, and on and on.

Pitchers like I mentioned in the National League including Tom Seaver.

Others Whitey Ford,Gaylord Perry, Denny McClain, Mike Cuellar, Mel Stottlemeyer, Dave McNally, "Sudden" Sam McDowell, Jim Maloney, etc.

Great decade to watch and listen to the game. Ticket prices were even affordable as well as hot dog and beer prices!

Baseball was king in the US back then. Bigger than football and basketball.

8 minutes ago, David Andrews said:

William, Joe - Kim Farber and Mark Lane in the February 1967 issue:

https://archive.org/details/youtube-rjEfn_qFCJE

The Nancy Kulp issue is, unfortunately for comedy, MIA.

Then, what year and month is the Garrison Playboy issue?

Looks like it was the October 1967 issue.

I stand corrected from my earlier post citing the February Issue.

I believe the February, 1967 issue is the "Mark Lane" issue.

I'll delete this post as soon as I get info on how to change my member profile "photo."

The two info threads below don't seem to be accessible anymore.

Thanks.

Cal Neva...what a dump.