Joe Bauer

JFK's father certainly set the rich man philandering example...and very probably subtly or even overtly didn't discourage his boys from doing the same.

I am certain Joseph Kennedy Sr. felt such overt extra-marital affair sexual behavior was normal, accepted and even expected for men of his highest wealth social standing.

I would think the rate of sexual philandering is much higher in the wealthiest married couple world versus the working class one.

Wealth draws women. Most often extremely attractive women who feel they may enhance their own standing by offering themselves to these super wealthy men and famous celebrities, actors, athletes as well.

When beautiful women are throwing themselves at you, even knowing you are married, the temptations are logically very strong. Many, many poorer men who have never been offered this temptation would break down and violate their oath of marriage in a minute under it's powerful drug effect.

I refuse to believe Rose Kennedy wasn't fully aware of her husband's serial philandering.

Jackie Kennedy as well. Lady Bird Johnson as well. Melania Trump as well. Was there a Mrs. Allan Dulles? 

Most women entering that highest wealth social strata via marriage know in advance that this aspect of their husband's extra-marital behavior will be a given imo.

I am sure they are taught this tradition and expect it. It's a price of entering that world of highest wealth. Either you accept it, or you are out.

It's the other abuses of morality by these high wealth and power status men that separates JFK from the likes of LBJ, Dulles, Hoover, etc.

Financial corruption, blackmail, constitutional law breaking, foreign policy abuse, even murder?

Just looked at the breakdown of the Katie Hobbs ( Democrat ) versus Kari Lake ( Trumplican ) Arizona Governor's race results by ethnicity.

Just like the 2020 U.S. Presidency election...if only the white vote counted...Kari Lake wins the election.

This simple math ethnicity breakdown vote count fact is what is driving the Trumplican/Wealthy Oligarchy base mad with threatened power loss fear, frustration and rage.

The truth is the white vote in America on it's own, has lost it's majority numbers power.

In our majority vote constitution based democracy this is the great boogieman fear now driving the all out war like efforts to regain control in anyway possible, imo anyways.

The Supreme Court Of The United States stepping in while the 2000 Florida presidential election vote count was still ongoing and then shutting it down ( overruling the Florida State Supreme Court decision to keep it open ) and just as Al Gore had pulled within mere hundreds of votes of George Bush Jr. and with every new hour cutting even more into that tiny and ever shrinking Bush lead was unprecedented and even Vincent Bugliosi called this SCOTUS shutting down of the Florida voting count the worst breach of their constitutional authority in their history.

It was the greatest and most obvious "politically biased" abuse of SCOTUS power ever.

Gavin Newsom's political ambitions over-ruled the parole board's recommendation to release Sirhan Sirhan?

Tells you a lot about Newsom.

Is the forum going to do some type of award honoring ceremony of Joseph McBride and his thread here when it reaches 1,000 pages of response postings?

I hope so!

And it would be coincidentally great if this phenomenal thread response achievement number could be reached on November 22nd.

I for sure will be posting a "HIP HIP HOORAY!" cheer message to our distinguished famous Wisconsin personally meeting JFK rally / top J.D. Tippit research authority / best selling film book writer forum icon J McB!

HOOOYAW!

On 11/11/2022 at 3:22 AM, Jean Paul Ceulemans said:

 

 

 

The thing about living in such a natural beauty location like California's Monterey Peninsula with it's sweet smelling pine tree forests nestled right next to it's incredibly fresh ocean air shore line  ( with the added bonus of it's almost year round easy on the body climate ) is it's soothing effect on your spirit and soul.

I have heard so many people in my life here saying how their pain and worries were lessened simply by driving or walking through our Pine tree forests to the oceans shore.

Then sitting and looking out upon the removed from human worries natural beauty waters which most always distracts your heart and mind from them.

A lot of California's coast line is psychologically soothing in it's Highway 1 views. But most of the actual shoreline is inaccessible physically.

The thing about our Monterey Peninsula however is you can safely walk right through these Pine tree woods and right up to it's sandy beaches and even climb upon some of it's interspersed rocky outcroppings. The towns of Pacific Grove and Carmel are the best locations for this experience.

If our members here ever want to feel a soothing break from the sometimes heart and mind troubling angst of the JFK, RFK, MLK and Dorothy Kilgallen unsolved murders I highly recommend you come here and by yourself or with a beloved mate or friend , slowly drive or walk through our sweetly scented Pine tree forests to the nearest open view beach and find a stump or city provided bench or even in your shoreline parking space car sit and let this scene do it's spirit rejuvenating magic upon your righteous justice seeking soul.

Since I can't drive anymore and can barely walk, my wife drives me twice a week along our shoreline and we park and open the windows to smell the fresh ocean air and listen to the wave sounds ( sometimes soft sometimes crashing) and the seagulls squealing.

I am lucky in this regards. 

It's a great soothing balance to the heaviness of the world we live in.

There is a large parking turn out right next to a large rocky outcropping we usually park in. This is the exact place John Denver crashed in his small experimental plane on October 12, 1997.

There is a plaque enshrined into a large granite boulder there in memory of our beloved "Rocky Mountain High" American singer.

4 hours ago, Jean Paul Ceulemans said:

I don't really agree on that, what (and how) they did it was only good for more trouble.

Schacht's Mefo Bills to finance the huge military buildup (infrastructure served the same cause).

From the very beginning they were stealing whatever they could get their hands on (and Hitler simply stopped paying off his debts).

The only reason he got support in other countries was that he owed a lot of people a lot of money.

When the "system" was going to crash completely, they started steeling funds/resources from other countries.

(I know the above is a terrible short-cut, but... it's pretty much how I see it)

 

 

Jean Paul;

My point is the damage Trump has done to our nation so far out ways any halfway helpful things that occurred during his term it is honestly amoral to try to elevate their importance in comparison imo.

5 hours ago, Mart Hall said:

I also agree Paul, on both counts.  

For some time I've struggled with the gap as to why would Shaw instruct Dean Andrews, the most logical explanation was to get a message to Oswald (not to talk) after part of the plan had failed but what Jim post makes much more sense in that Shaw and Ferrie were also used as pawns in a bigger plan. Shaw panicked and made mistakes, I'd say his actions reflect a man who thought he was responsible for something (which had gone wrong).  

 

Agree.

13 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

Glad you mentioned this. Trump did seem to buck this trend in American foreign policy, but got no credit for it. 

Don't give this guy an inch of praise. He'll milk this for years at every turn.

The damage Trump has done to this country and our Democracy is the most in our modern presidential history...by a mile!

You could find a few good things about Stalin, Hitler  ( improved Germany's crushed economic post 1929 WWI situation ), Capone ( donations to charities)., Mao, etc.

Trump's bad things outweigh any good ones 1,000 to 1.

IMHO.

6 hours ago, Matthew Koch said:

 

Like Sarah Palin was really a qualified candidate for VP despite her lack of even general knowledge of basic national and international issues of importance?

Inarticulate speaking "is" a worthy indicator of a candidate's unqualified make up for election to our highest offices of democratic representation.

Chris Rock just throws out sh##. Anything for a laugh.

Just saw and listened to the latest TV news coverage of Georgia Senate candidates Warnock and Walker's first public speech comments since the election.

First we heard the former football hero Walker.

Seriously, honestly, both my wife and I could not understand what he was saying.

His pronunciation was so Southern country slang, slow drawl effected it was mostly unintelligible! 

We had to review his talk 3 times to fully make out what he was saying!

Something about his daddy tellin him to watch out for them slick dressin city folk who use big words.

Warnock's talk on the other hand was decently articulate but not pretentiously overly so at all.

Same type of words we use on this forum every day.

Honestly, imho, if a candidate thinks the kinds of words Warnock uses in his talks and speeches are "big words" ( which they aren't at all ) how can he even begin to understand what is being said in the chambers of the Senate? How could he engage in that legislative body in a meaningful, contributing and understanding way?

Boy, the Repubs sure picked a befuddled english language speaking prize to try to win back this Georgia Senate seat.

I thought Sarah Palin and Dan Quayle were intellectually challenged embarrassment bad candidates for VP in their day...but this guy Walker takes the inarticulate political election candidate cake.

Walker gems:

"they's all lyin'. I been redeemed. I ain't never said nothing about no abortions. I done write checks to all kinds of peoples."

How did this guy Walker graduate from college?

Maybe he got a BA in football running science?

What an absolutely unprecedented, cringing embarrassment Senate candidate choice for the Republicans!

On 11/11/2022 at 8:12 AM, Steve Thomas said:

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1590680637945806850?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Fox's Jesse Watters: "... But single women and voters under 40 have been captured by Democrats. So we need these ladies to get married. And it's time to fall in love and just settle down. Guys, go put a ring on it."

 

Are forced marriages in our future?

Forced marriages and no abortions. Don't let young people vote.

The Republican Party has such good ideas.

Steve Thomas

Who were the final sign off banking officials who bankrolled Musk's Twitter purchase?

I have to believe they now see the guy is not all there.

The entire event is in unstable turmoil.

From the very first day!

You can't have a person who is so publicly biased politically toward a failing Trump agenda taking over a giant media format that has already been rocked with nation dividing controversy.

Trump and his crazy egomaniac influence is now free falling.

And Musk will probably do the typical Trump business failing thing and declare Twitter bankruptcy.

What a mess!

3 hours ago, Larry Hancock said:

As far as I could determine after the book came out and presented that claim,  the only support was an anecdotal remark by someone who worked with Harvey in Rome and who ran into Harvey at the airport.  As I recall he asked Harvey about his trip and there was a mention about Dallas - which is what he much later related to Talbot.   As far as I know the story rests totally on that.

There is a You Tube video of an interview of William Harvey's wife many years after his passing. 

Of all the incriminating things she naively shares about her and her husband's hatred of JFK and RFK and even Jackie ( "they were scum" ) I kept hoping the interviewer would ask her where she and her husband were at the time of JFK's assassination. 

Mrs. Harvey was not asked this specific question and she never volunteered her and her husband's physical location or what they were doing when it happened. Too bad.

Most people, when reminiscing about the JFK assassination bring up their location and actions when they first heard of it.

Mrs. Harvey didn't. 

She instead spent most of her interview time sharing why she and her husband thought the Kennedy's were scum, yet at the same time felt great respect, admiration and even affection for Mafioso Johnny Roselli ("I loved Johnny Roselli") whom she also described as " a patriot." 

Mrs. Harvey quoted her late husband saying ( regards Roselli ) "If I had to ride shotgun, that's the guy I would take."

Of course spy master Harvey would try to keep any trip to Dallas during the assassination time as secret as possible. Maybe not even telling his wife.

What I also found so disturbing about this interview of Mrs. Harvey, along with the deep and extreme vitriol Mrs. Harvey and her husband felt toward JFK, RFK and even Jackie Kennedy ( "they were scum" ), was her complete lack of any empathy or sympathy for Jackie Kennedy in her horrific trauma experience of seeing her husband's head bloodily blown apart inches from her face and so tragically being widowed with children.

You'd think any woman might soften their hatred of another woman/mother even a little after such a monstrous crushing blow and especially after having decades of time to reflect from a woman's point of view such a traumatic, heart breaking loss?

This Mrs. Harvey was as deeply hating of Jackie Kennedy in her last days as she was before 11,22,1963. Now THERE'S a hard woman.

Denis Morissette

Jefferson Morley

1 minute ago, Tom Gram said:

It’s a good episode of BOR. One question I had is Talbot mentioned Bill Harvey flying from Rome to Dallas right before the assassination - and said he was blocked by the CIA on grounds of national security when he tried to obtain Harvey’s travel records. I’d heard something about this before, but does anyone know the details? Did Talbot do a FOIA request, etc.? 

Bump.

Quirky interesting.

2 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

And as living standards decline for 90% of Americans, more neighborhoods become dangerous...stresses elevated, people forced to see fellow citizens as "others," competitors or enemies, not neighbors....

But Americans are curiously violent...poor neighborhoods in Thailand are not dangerous, for example....in the US it may because the M$M is constantly pushing various ID groups to been seen as "against" each other....

 

Kids violent video games, violence  in rap music, non-stop violence in Super Hero films with both male and female super heroes kicking A$$ non-stop, and countless Seagal, Jason Borne, Liam Neeson vigilante action like films, kids raised in gun loving households, gangs glorifying violence in their earning stripes manhood edicts, violent Mexican drug activity, inner city crime and chaos, homeless and drug addict crime and violence, ultimate fighting glorification, encouraged political violence ( Capital building attack Jan. 6th 2021 ) vicious violent dangerous breed dog proliferation ( pit bulls, etc ) cops reacting violently much quicker than before ...

Our nation and young people are being subjected to violent images and words and guns 100X more than our generations before 1990 or so.

9 hours ago, Jean Paul Ceulemans said:

No problem, keep drifting, I love reading that stuff!

The first time I was in the same area was in the late 1970's, the last time was in the late 1990's.  

I also remember the first time I was really impressed with the Awacs taking off and landing 24/7.   Don't recall the name of the Military Airfield, it was rather "close" to the Bay and couldn't have been far from Sunnyvale either (were I stayed the first time).   I think it was the same were they stored this Russian helicopter (years before a Russian had defected with that).  All those years I stayed in a number of houses between Sunnyvale and Coyote.

Jean Paul; was the airfield Moffet Field?

 

 

2 hours ago, Bob Ness said:

Yep. Old family friend. Moran Shipbuilding family. Went to school with my parents. Just curious. I have several of his sculptures. 

Wow!

No more dangerous than the U.S. Capital building on January 6th, 2021.

Even less so.

I also would like to know what Myron Dukes take on the assassination was and who he suspected was responsible?

28 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1590680637945806850?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Fox's Jesse Watters: "... But single women and voters under 40 have been captured by Democrats. So we need these ladies to get married. And it's time to fall in love and just settle down. Guys, go put a ring on it."

 

Are forced marriages in our future?

Forced marriages and no abortions. Don't let young people vote.

The Republican Party has such good ideas.

Steve Thomas

There is more to the poll above.

When you break down the 2020 presidential vote by ethnic make up singularly white women favored Trump by 8%.

White men by 12%.

If only white people voted in the 2020 election, Trump would have won by a 10% margin.

This is the single most important voting dynamic fact that the Oligarchic ruling class are concerned with.

Since 2020 they have been on an all out war footing with finding every way they can to counter the loss of control of the national vote from strictly white voters to the mix of liberal white and non-white ethnic voters.

3 hours ago, Bob Ness said:

Joe did you know Malcolm Moran?

The sculpter?

No.

Texans have short memories I guess.

Just a couple years ago when millions of Texans were doing without power and freezing to death, concerned for his state's citizens Cruz jets down to Cancun to lounge around on their warm sunny beaches, with straw hat, shorts and sipping margaritas and ogling the bikini clad beach babes!

CANCUN CRUZ !

Instead of being furious at their cocktail sipping, Cancun beach babe ogling non-caring senator for leaving them in their most vulnerable and stressed situation back in record freeze Texas...

They vote him in ...again!

2 hours ago, Gene Kelly said:

Paul

I hate to share this but can't resist.  I once met Dylan when I was in graduate school, living in Teaneck NJ and attending Farleigh Dickinson University in 1973.  One of my fellow students had an apartment in Manhattan and invited me to a party he hosted where Dylan was present.  Bob sat all by himself and seemed withdrawn and unsociable.  My friend asked us not to approach him 

More on point, Tom O'Neill's book "Chaos, Charles Manson the CIA and the Secret History of the Sixties" is excellent.  It covers Jolly West and some of Gottlieb's legacy, and also provides new perspective on Manson and his cult an MKUltra research project gone haywire. O’Neill also highlights that Vincent Bugliosi hid evidence and propagated the popular falsehood (in Helter Skelter) that the motive for these brutal crimes was to ignite a race war.  O'Neill makes a credible case that Manson and the Family were being protected by law enforcement at a high level.  He found records from UCLA Neuropsychiatric Institute archives, showing that Dr. Jolyon West was a long-term contractor with Dr. Sidney Gottlieb and the MK-Ultra program ... techniques of mind control, automatic obedience, and the induction of amnesia and mental illness. Manson often visited his parole officer, one Roger Smith, at the Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic where Smith was running something called the Amphetamine Research Project, a study of the role that drugs played in psychotic violence.

One of the people who performed studies that summer (on sabbatical from the University of Oklahoma) was Dr. Louis Jolyon West, a psychiatric researcher from Oklahoma. According to Tom O'Neill, West was never really clear about what he was studying there; he was vague and said he was going to write a book about LSD and its influence on youth. He was given an office at the clinic to recruit “hippies” to study for his LSD research. West actually created the blueprint for how they were going to operate/hide their research ... at prisons and universities and psychiatric hospitals, and other venues.  In the Haight, West arranged for the use of house on Frederick Street where he set up what he described as a “laboratory disguised as a hippie crash pad” in June 1967, at the dawn of the summer of love. He installed six graduate students in the pad, telling them to dress like hippies and “lure” itinerant kids into the apartment. This “crash pad” was funded by the Foundations Fund for Research in Psychiatry, Inc. ... a front for the CIA.

On the night of August 8, 1969, four Manson family members drove to the home of Roman Polanski where his 8-month-pregnant girlfriend, actress Sharon Tate, along with her friends, were murdered.  The very next night, the same group set out to kill again … and snuck into the home of grocery store executive Leno LaBianca and his wife Rosemary, murdering the couple. Toward the end of that summer, they murdered others who are less well known. The Monterey Pop Festival had been in the summer of 1967, and Woodstock would happen just one week after the alleged Tate murders. The alleged Tate murders were on August 9th and Woodstock would open August 15th. People's Park at the University of Berkeley, California, opened in April of 1969, and was used for anti-war speeches and gatherings.

O'Neill relates several interesting back stories involving Terry Melcher, the son of Doris Day, and a producer for Columbia Records who managed The Byrds and Paul Revere and the Raiders. When Terry became serious with Candice Bergen in ’67, Mark Lindsay moved out and Candice moved in. Where the story gets more interesting is how Sharon Tate's murder was relayed to her personal photographer and friend Shahrokh Hatami by telephone, from an intelligence agent named Reeve Whitson, ninety minutes before the police were called to the scene. Whitson and Bugliosi then coerced Hatami’s testimony by threatening him with deportation. Sheriff interviews with witnesses were withheld from the defense team, and detectives claimed that important evidence was destroyed by their superiors (including a taped confession describing murders that were never discovered) which the LA district attorney’s office seizes before it could be heard. 

Reeve Whitson’s lawyer, Neil Cummings, said that he was in a 'top-secret arm of the CIA', even more secretive than most of the agency. Richard Edlund, a Hollywood special effects man, said: “He operated in the CIA – I believe he was on their payroll.” Others who alleged that Whitson was part of the CIA, include LAPD detective Mike McGann. Author John Irvin said he was “on the fringes of very far-out research” for the government, “not discussed openly because it verges on the occult.” Whitson's job, it seems, was to infiltrate hippie groups for intelligence purposes ... his social circle also included Curtis LeMay and Otto Skorzeny (obviously no ordinary longhairs). 

O'Neill and others also relate Robert and Art Linkletter to the story, including their participation in producing surf and folk music, and connections to Terry Melcher and the Manson family. Robert Linkletter is alleged to have been the Zodiac Killer. He also mentions an Island in Canada operated and run by Linkletter associates and frequented by Allen Dulles.  Manson, JFK, Zodiac, Sirhan ‘, MLK all have a common Toronto/ Canadian link with drugs, musicians, hypnotic programming and mind altering for ongoing Intelligence Operations (see William Weston's June 2020 article "Linkletter, Whitson, and Manson: Agents Provocateur for the Helter-Skelter Plot"). 

Al of this coincided with CIA’s infamous CHAOS begun in 1967 and then expanded by Richard Nixon in 1969, directed by Richard Helms and run by James Angleton.  It was characterized as going into its tightest security mode in July of 1969, the month before the Tate murders. The so-called War on Drugs was used for the same purpose at the same time. Mae Brussell concluded that all of these persons involved were agent provocateurs; appearing at a time to increase violence, in order to make law and order necessary to protect us from the hippies and anti-war demonstrators at large in our society ... and like Oswald, Sirhan and Ray, Charles Manson was a patsy.

Tom O'Neill also connects some dots with Jack Ruby. West, at OU at the time of the assassination tried to insert himself almost immediately into the proceedings by petitioning Judge Joe Brown to examine Ruby for the court but was rebuffed. Three times West (in his files) referred to being told to do this, but never identified by whom. When Ruby was convicted of murder, he fired his attorney's and hired one of their team for the appeal; Hubert Winston Smith, a psychiatrist with a law degree ... one of his first actions was to bring in West for a reexamination of Ruby. Afterwards he claimed Ruby had an "acute psychotic break" in the last 48 hours ("a man completely unhinged who, hallucinated, heard voices.")  Prior to West's visit, a half dozen psychiatrists found him "essentially compos mentis (i.e., sane)". Colleagues at OU described West as a "devious man", "egotistical" and a narcissist. O'Neill talked to Dr. Jay Shurley, West's friend of 45 years who worked with him, one of the few he interviewed to admit West was CIA. He asked if he thought West would accept an assignment to scramble Ruby's mind ...  his gut feeling, was “yes".

Gene

I was in high school here on the California Coast ( 125 miles South of San Francisco ) during the late 1960s.

A certain percentage of kids from my high school and it seemed every other nearby high school, adopted the Beatles music influence with longer hair, and dress attire starting in the early 1960's. This conveniently evolved into what I guess you could call the "Hippie Movement?"

Volkswagon bugs and vans were prized symbols of hippie status.

There was a "Peace And Love", "Free Love" and "Flower Child" cultural identity started with it's own lingo. Groovy, right on, peace brother" etc. 

This was different than the 1950s Maynard G. Kreb's "beat" lingo of cool cat, squaresville man, crazy, like you dig? " etc.  Jazz stuff.

And then all of a sudden LSD came into the picture.

I knew some students who jumped right in. Right after high school several kids went off to live on communes. Lots of these up in Northern California and Oregon.

Many went up to the Haight, Berkeley. Lots of Bill Graham concerts. 

The Monterey Pop had that vibe although it looked to me to be mostly kids from slightly higher than middle class families who wore expensive hippie clothing. I hung outside the Monterey fairgrounds just to watch the crowd those three days.

By 1980 many of the commune people left those and jumped back into the capitalist world, although keeping the groovy vibe socially. A brother-in-law came back to our town completely fried from acid. He became a ward of the county and his SSI only covered a room at a local flop house. He died before his 36th birthday.

Just reminiscing about some peripheral Hippie Movement birthplace viewpoints from someone who lived fairly close to the Bay Area in the mid 1960's thru the 1970's.

I worked for Terry Melcher. In a removed and unimportant side story way.

Starting in 2001 I worked at a hotel in Carmel, Ca named "The Cypress Inn" which Melcher co-owned in partnership with his mother Doris Day and a private other owner.

I met Terry.

At his invitation we both sat down and talked at the hotel bar. I was on the clock. Our sons ( my biological son and his stepson attended the same private high school here.)

He was really down to earth and nice to me. No pretentiousness at all. 
He only came into town every now and then from L.A..

Carmel was like that back then. You might very well see Doris Day walking through a local supermarket with her cart and singing her songs to herself! She lived here.

You'd see Clint Eastwood fairly regularly. He was the Mayor of Carmel for 2 years in the early 1980's. He actually went to his Mission Ranch restaurant and bar fairly often. He'd even play the piano for the patrons.

Mae Brussels lived here. She broadcast out of a local Carmel radio station.

Harrison Livingston lived here for awhile.

Carmel was and still is a favored getaway for so many Hollywood types. Almost three times week someone would spot a celebrity walking the streets of Carmel or dining in one of their 50 top restaurants.

OOPS! Sorry. Drifting off subject here.

1 hour ago, Gene Kelly said:

Paul

I hate to share this but can't resist.  I once met Dylan when I was in graduate school, living in Teaneck NJ and attending Farleigh Dickinson University in 1973.  One of my fellow students had an apartment in Manhattan and invited me to a party he hosted where Dylan was present.  Bob sat all by himself and seemed withdrawn and unsociable.  My friend asked us not to approach him 

More on point, Tom O'Neill's book "Chaos, Charles Manson the CIA and the Secret History of the Sixties" is excellent.  It covers Jolly West and some of Gottlieb's legacy, and also provides new perspective on Manson and his cult an MKUltra research project gone haywire. O’Neill also highlights that Vincent Bugliosi hid evidence and propagated the popular falsehood (in Helter Skelter) that the motive for these brutal crimes was to ignite a race war.  O'Neill makes a credible case that Manson and the Family were being protected by law enforcement at a high level.  He found records from UCLA Neuropsychiatric Institute archives, showing that Dr. Jolyon West was a long-term contractor with Dr. Sidney Gottlieb and the MK-Ultra program ... techniques of mind control, automatic obedience, and the induction of amnesia and mental illness. Manson often visited his parole officer, one Roger Smith, at the Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic where Smith was running something called the Amphetamine Research Project, a study of the role that drugs played in psychotic violence.

One of the people who performed studies that summer (on sabbatical from the University of Oklahoma) was Dr. Louis Jolyon West, a psychiatric researcher from Oklahoma. According to Tom O'Neill, West was never really clear about what he was studying there; he was vague and said he was going to write a book about LSD and its influence on youth. He was given an office at the clinic to recruit “hippies” to study for his LSD research. West actually created the blueprint for how they were going to operate/hide their research ... at prisons and universities and psychiatric hospitals, and other venues.  In the Haight, West arranged for the use of house on Frederick Street where he set up what he described as a “laboratory disguised as a hippie crash pad” in June 1967, at the dawn of the summer of love. He installed six graduate students in the pad, telling them to dress like hippies and “lure” itinerant kids into the apartment. This “crash pad” was funded by the Foundations Fund for Research in Psychiatry, Inc. ... a front for the CIA.

On the night of August 8, 1969, four Manson family members drove to the home of Roman Polanski where his 8-month-pregnant girlfriend, actress Sharon Tate, along with her friends, were murdered.  The very next night, the same group set out to kill again … and snuck into the home of grocery store executive Leno LaBianca and his wife Rosemary, murdering the couple. Toward the end of that summer, they murdered others who are less well known. The Monterey Pop Festival had been in the summer of 1967, and Woodstock would happen just one week after the alleged Tate murders. The alleged Tate murders were on August 9th and Woodstock would open August 15th. People's Park at the University of Berkeley, California, opened in April of 1969, and was used for anti-war speeches and gatherings.

O'Neill relates several interesting back stories involving Terry Melcher, the son of Doris Day, and a producer for Columbia Records who managed The Byrds and Paul Revere and the Raiders. When Terry became serious with Candice Bergen in ’67, Mark Lindsay moved out and Candice moved in. Where the story gets more interesting is how Sharon Tate's murder was relayed to her personal photographer and friend Shahrokh Hatami by telephone, from an intelligence agent named Reeve Whitson, ninety minutes before the police were called to the scene. Whitson and Bugliosi then coerced Hatami’s testimony by threatening him with deportation. Sheriff interviews with witnesses were withheld from the defense team, and detectives claimed that important evidence was destroyed by their superiors (including a taped confession describing murders that were never discovered) which the LA district attorney’s office seizes before it could be heard. 

Reeve Whitson’s lawyer, Neil Cummings, said that he was in a 'top-secret arm of the CIA', even more secretive than most of the agency. Richard Edlund, a Hollywood special effects man, said: “He operated in the CIA – I believe he was on their payroll.” Others who alleged that Whitson was part of the CIA, include LAPD detective Mike McGann. Author John Irvin said he was “on the fringes of very far-out research” for the government, “not discussed openly because it verges on the occult.” Whitson's job, it seems, was to infiltrate hippie groups for intelligence purposes ... his social circle also included Curtis LeMay and Otto Skorzeny (obviously no ordinary longhairs). 

O'Neill and others also relate Robert and Art Linkletter to the story, including their participation in producing surf and folk music, and connections to Terry Melcher and the Manson family. Robert Linkletter is alleged to have been the Zodiac Killer. He also mentions an Island in Canada operated and run by Linkletter associates and frequented by Allen Dulles.  Manson, JFK, Zodiac, Sirhan ‘, MLK all have a common Toronto/ Canadian link with drugs, musicians, hypnotic programming and mind altering for ongoing Intelligence Operations (see William Weston's June 2020 article "Linkletter, Whitson, and Manson: Agents Provocateur for the Helter-Skelter Plot"). 

Al of this coincided with CIA’s infamous CHAOS begun in 1967 and then expanded by Richard Nixon in 1969, directed by Richard Helms and run by James Angleton.  It was characterized as going into its tightest security mode in July of 1969, the month before the Tate murders. The so-called War on Drugs was used for the same purpose at the same time. Mae Brussell concluded that all of these persons involved were agent provocateurs; appearing at a time to increase violence, in order to make law and order necessary to protect us from the hippies and anti-war demonstrators at large in our society ... and like Oswald, Sirhan and Ray, Charles Manson was a patsy.

Tom O'Neill also connects some dots with Jack Ruby. West, at OU at the time of the assassination tried to insert himself almost immediately into the proceedings by petitioning Judge Joe Brown to examine Ruby for the court but was rebuffed. Three times West (in his files) referred to being told to do this, but never identified by whom. When Ruby was convicted of murder, he fired his attorney's and hired one of their team for the appeal; Hubert Winston Smith, a psychiatrist with a law degree ... one of his first actions was to bring in West for a reexamination of Ruby. Afterwards he claimed Ruby had an "acute psychotic break" in the last 48 hours ("a man completely unhinged who, hallucinated, heard voices.")  Prior to West's visit, a half dozen psychiatrists found him "essentially compos mentis (i.e., sane)". Colleagues at OU described West as a "devious man", "egotistical" and a narcissist. O'Neill talked to Dr. Jay Shurley, West's friend of 45 years who worked with him, one of the few he interviewed to admit West was CIA. He asked if he thought West would accept an assignment to scramble Ruby's mind ...  his gut feeling, was “yes".

Gene

The dark side of America. 

Scary dark.

50 minutes ago, Richard Price said:

Bingo, Matt.  We have the same system here in GA, it's all code by our rebranded Dixiecrats, known now as Republicans.  When we get to choose from two black candidates, which isn't often at the state level, the R's back the one that will kowtow, making it difficult to elect a qualified independent candidate.

The Repubs could run 100 women drugged into necrophilia state serial rapist Bill Cosby as their Georgia senate candidate and the Trump followers would enthusiastically vote for him.