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Whether or not this thread is appropriately relevant in the forum's JFK research, education, debate and truth mission integrity context, it does reveal an aspect to the entire JFK historical story and especially his presidency that imo is more interesting and important than simple salacious JFK immorality gossip nonsense.
As well as the theory that the national seeding of it into our societal zeitgeist consciousness ( for almost 60 years now ) is and has been a coordinated deliberate effort by sinister powers to damage JFK's personal image and along with this a deflection and dissipation of interest away from his assassination and the caring for the Warren Commission disbelieving truth regards who did it and why.
I believe that JFK ( along with his wife Jackie ) had ascended a level of American ( and even international ) societal consciousness appeal during his presidency to such a physical attraction based degree it acquired an unprecedented iconic celebrity status.
Millions of people liked JFK for his seemingly more liberal progressive ideological leanings. Others for his world view of more 3rd world nation democratic principle sovereignty respecting and international cold war cooling peace and cooperation promoting. Millions of others were inspired by his encouragement of our nation's young people to look at the world around them in a healthy minded exciting adventure challenge way.
Let us go into space! Let us get in better physical shape! Let us ask not what our country can do for us, but what "we" can do for our country, etc. etc, !
However, there was something else going on above and beyond those well known JFK inspiration traits that was creating an ever increasing JFK societal popularity appeal. Something much more visceral.
I believe that a huge and growing number of Americans ( and people all over the world ) were actually falling in physical love with JFK and Jackie. Many even to sexual fantasy degrees.
This physical love appeal transcended traditional political figure reality concepts.
Photos of JFK and Jackie were being hung on the walls of perhaps millions of homes both here and abroad no matter how poor and humble.
The poorest of African nations included!
There has always been a societal attraction to glamourous celebrities. Their faces are pictured on national and international magazine and book covers, newspaper front pages, office and home walls, advertisements you name it.
By JFK's third year in office, he and his wife's images were everywhere in that milieu.
Here, Rome, Paris, London, Berlin, Athens, Madrid, Stockholm, Rio, Bombay, Tokyo, Hong Kong, ... Minsk?
They were way more attractive and popular than any other American or international movie star or other political couples at that time.
Liz and Dick, Frank and Ava, Bogart and Bacall, Monroe and whoever, Ingrid and Rossellini, Liz and Phillip ... sorry folks!
Jack and Jackie were the "real stars" of the celebrity world ... by far!
The biggest then and ever since.
Look again at that JFK Santa Monica, California beach scene photo where the almost naked JFK is literally being physically attacked and groped by a mob of squealing wild eyed crazed with carnal lust women who had lost complete control of their senses!
JFK had by this time entranced the majority of American women young and old into a blinding physical attraction lust. And Jackie was doing the same with American men.
JFK was going to win the 1964 presidential election almost by sheer physical attraction appeal to women voters alone imo!
At least as much or even more so than his political ideology stances.
Women by the millions were going to vote to keep JFK in office just to keep his tanned, handsome and warmly attractive smile face in their everyday world.
JFK was always smiling and it was the most physically attractive and healthy smile. Wide and warm with perfect teeth. Strong jaw. Smaller well shaped nose. Full head of healthy hair.
When the beautiful smile and physical attraction adored JFK was removed and replaced with the beady eyed, hang dog, big nosed, elephant eared and balding LBJ...there was a deep emotional sexual fantasy loss let down in this country and around the world imo.
Instantly gone was the beautiful people glamour and class.
JFK and Jackie had transcended into an adoration status beyond politics.
Their unprecedented physical beauty along with their other classy traits such as intelligence, education, upbringing, fashion sense and throw in JFK's more fair minded economic and humanistic rights caring world view made them world wide adored and revered icons.
JFK's adversaries were aware of this unprecedented and ever growing JFK appeal and popularity and probably came to a self-interest protecting conclusion that JFK could never be defeated in a national election and that this national as well as worldwide adoration would even carry into RFK being voted in after JFK's finished terms.
I believe the unprecedented JFK and Jackie physical beauty appeal to almost cult status phenomena is a story unto itself in the overall JFK and Jackie Kennedy historical legacy.
One that to some real degree led JFK adversarial others to fear it's influence power being as much a threat to their own self-interests as any other JFK actions and policies.
Pretty boy JFK had to go.
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Gary Hart/Donna Rice. John Edwards/Rielly Hunter. Dennis Hastert/His Wrestling Team Boys. Newt Gingrich/Callista Bisek. Eliot Spitzer/ Entire Escort Service. David Petraeus/Paula Broadmore. Anthony Weiner/Anthony's Weiner. And on and on and on.
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6 hours ago, Pat Speer said:
Zapruder made sure the Secret Service got a copy. And he cried in his first TV interview and then again in his testimony. So I don't think there's anything suspicious about him. In contrast I do know that some of those who've claimed he was part of a plot, or that he wasn't even in the plaza at the time of the shooting, but was later added onto the films--are not to be trusted.
No, of course he wasn't in on the plot. Never ever considered such a ridiculous theory.
However, I do think his aggressive negotiation for such a massive amount of money for the film from private parties and so soon after the event belied his supposed devastated grief state.
I would think someone so devastated would have taken more time in giving up something so personally effecting.
I would also have expected our own government to have confiscated the original film and spent much more time studying and evaluating it.
The agencies took many cameras and photos away and took their time returning them.
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33 minutes ago, John Cotter said:
I recall Ingmar Bergman being asked in an interview if he had ever tried recreational drugs. He replied that he hadn’t, since he thought real life was weird enough without them. It’s hard to argue with that.
Totally agree.
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2 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:
According to Stormy Daniels, Trump's johnson is shaped like a toad stool.
As far as I know, it's the only known, public description of a U.S. president's johnson, other than Johnson referring to his johnson as, "Jumbo."
Paula Jones described Bill Clinton's phallus as like a "curved putter."
I assume she meant putter as in golf putter.
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"Blew the brains out" of the President?
If that quote is accurate, how does one explain it's ridiculously obvious contradicting of the final "official autopsy report" listing JFK's removed brain weight as heavier than an average intact male brain?
And one must wonder how someone as extremely emotionally devastated and even traumatized from his up close witnessing of a such a nightmarish brutal event ( as Zapruder was described in his granddaughter's memoir - locking himself in his office, crying, screaming, kicking doors, knocking over anything that moved and never wanting to talk about it ) could at the same time still trust themselves to be in a rationally calm business state of mind enough to decide so quickly what to do with the film ( sell it's rights to a national magazine ) and hard ball negotiate a gold mine high selling price equivalent to a 1.2 million dollars in today's dollar value?
I would think someone who felt that the actual shooting of JFK resulting in his brains being blown out was the most horrible thing he had ever personally witnessed to the point of being traumatized for life by it, might be reasonably concerned that his live film of such should be given over to the government who would have much more control over it's security to save millions of others from being similarly traumatized by it's content?
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1 hour ago, Kirk Gallaway said:
Trump grifts the Walker campaign and keeps 90% of the Walker donations to himself.
The Walker campaign said it first noticed the problem Saturday when former President Donald Trump’s Save America sent out an email that asked prospective donors to “contribute ANY AMOUNT IMMEDIATELY to the Official Georgia Runoff Fundraising Goal and increase your impact by 1200%”
But if donors didn’t see a link that said “click here for details or to edit allocation,” they wouldn’t have noticed that 90% of their contributions automatically went to Trump, with the remaining 10% going to Walker.
The essence of Donald Trump.
A natural born grifter.
Our greatest grifter president to an almost immeasurable degree.
Walker is blissfully oblivious.
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8 hours ago, John Cotter said:
Was there e’er a POTUS who didn’t stray
When so much temptation came their way?
Those it avoided must make do
With the higher pleasures of presumed virtue.
Along with Jimmy Carter I don't think Obama ever strayed.
The closest smiling Jimmy ever came was with that Oval Office Cheryl Tiegs picture from what I have read.
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15 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said:I remember hitch hiking for fun in the early 70's, and a guy in a Cadillac picked me up and gave me a history of powerful people being homosexual that ended with "I'm sure Nixon and Bebe Rebozzo are more than just friends", before he made a pass at me!
There is a famous picture of a dripping wet, bathing suit wearing JFK running from a dip in the ocean on the California Coast and totally chased and up close surrounded by dozens of mostly wild eyed women who all looked as if they wanted to rip his shorts off and ravage him.
Kennedy has a smile on his face from the hungry lioness attack but with a slight look of fear that they were just a little too turned on and too close and he may not make it back to his place of safety without a fight.
That almost naked JFK running for his life worked up female beach scene photo really exemplified the incredibly powerful raw carnal craving effect he had on women.
I don't think LBJ in his big baggy swimming shorts and big hanging out gut ever had to worry about a worked up female attack like that.
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3 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:
Herschel Walker has been forced to issue a plea to his fellow Republicans to stop setting up fraudulent fund raising committees that are being billed as "Support Herschel Walker" campaigns.
The politicians setting up these campaigns are keeping 90% of the money for themselves.
Potentially, next year you could be sitting in Congress next to a guy who stole all your money.
Steve Thomas
Just in keeping with the Trump spirit of grifting every dollar you can in every situation you can.
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Shooter "still at large?"
I thought I read that Thane Eugene Cesar passed away?
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18 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:
If only the U.S. mainstream media, and public, had been similarly circumspect about Ken Starr's inappropriate violation of Bill Clinton's private sex life!
There was a time in American history when the press was far more respectful of Presidential privacy. That changed in a big way, beginning in about 1988, and went out the window during Ken Starr's Whitewater "investigation" of Bill Clinton's private life.
As for the subject of U.S. Presidential sexual peccadilloes, it's more complicated than some people realize.
President Thomas Jefferson had children with his slave, Sally Hemings, and George Washington was the father of a substantial part of his country.
President Warren Harding referred to his penis as, "Jerry," in his randy love letters.
Eisenhower had an affair with his aide, Kay Summersby, and GHWB cavorted with his aide, Jennifer Fitzgerald.
Nixon was rumored to have had a bromance with Bebe Rebozo.
LBJ called his penis, "Jumbo," and was quite the flasher.
Jimmy Carter's greatest White House sin guilt was keeping a framed photo of super model Cheryl Tiegs handy near the Oval Office bathroom door.
Nixon had the sexual charisma charm of Ed Sullivan.
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21 hours ago, George Govus said:
Vince Palamara has documented that at least some active White House Detail Secret Service claimed revulsion by what they saw as Kennedy's immoral, persistent and reckless personal behavior. Making him in their eyes vulnerable to being blackmailed, and a real national security risk. That's before you even get to him cutting deals with Commies.
And does anyone seriously think at least some of the Dallas detail SS agents who went to the Cellar Club in the early morning hours of 11/22/1963 went there not to enjoy the sight of gorgeous topless waitresses but to just have a warm glass of milk and play rock/paper/scissors with each other ... and weren't married?
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1 hour ago, Steve Thomas said:
HA! RIGHT ON LIZ!
What a massively embarrassing egg on her stern looking face ending to this cocky Trump fawning and idolizing, 2020 election denying LOSER!
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8 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:
CTE is a real thing Joe. I have to wonder if Herschel doesn't have it.
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4 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:
CTE is a real thing Joe. I have to wonder if Herschel doesn't have it.
More Hershel W. CTE, Maury Povich talk show nonsense:
"So what we are going to do is put, from the Green New Deal, millions, billions of dollars cleaning our good air up. So all of the sudden China and India, they put nothing to clean that situation up. Since we don't control the air, our good air decides to float over to China's bad air. So when China gets our good air, their bad air got to move. So it moves over to our good airspace. Then, now, we got to clean that back up."
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Another Trump promoted election candidate pick bites the LOSER dust!
Democrat Katie Hobbs defeats Trumplican boot kisser Kari Lake for Arizona governor.
How many LOSER Trump picks is that this mid-term election ... 15?
The Trump RED WAVE turned into an old dog piddle trickle.
That is what one must now call ... The Trump LOSER Touch.
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2 minutes ago, Chris Barnard said:
It’s all very instinctive, a throwback to the animal In us all and our evolution.
Another interesting point; Bertrand Russell once said that if you socialise children to the idea of multiple partners before puberty, it makes it highly unlikely that as adults they’ll stay with one partner. ie if the parental example is polygamy, or promiscuity, the offspring will adopt that. If JPK did it, and sons were aware, its likely they would condone it.
I agree.
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1 hour ago, Ron Bulman said:
Is that the reason he keeps saying stupid stuff?
No!
Football head battered Walker thinks he is working man honest talking literate!
The better man than city slicker dressed men who use big words.
A tackle dodging, touchdown scoring, righteous manhood sword swinging knight in shining football uniform armor.
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53 minutes ago, Chris Barnard said:
Biology plays a part too. Men are designed to give their seeds, we could have thousands of children. Women have the job of choosing whose genes survive, they have to be very selective with their fertile eggs.
It really is a natural genetically imbedded and driven thing.
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To those who plant these stories about JFK, RFK, MLK regards their extra-marital affairs, especially those with access to the major media to get them national exposure and coverage I say ... bring em on!
Bring even more!
Why?
Because I think they are totally ineffective in seriously hurting the images of these three great Americans in our collective societal mindset including and especially with all the younger generations since 1970's.
IMO Americans born after 1970 have successively cared less and less about the assassinations and even less about the personal consensual sex lives of the three iconic leaders of that era.
JFK is and always will be known much more for his image as a vigorous, intelligent, courageous, ambitious, inspiring, WW II veteran, and youngest age and most handsome president ever. A man married to the most glamorous first lady ever and with two beautiful young children. And yes, tragically taken out.
Same with MLK and RFK. Their more heroic images are etched in official textbook stone.
Who cares if these great Americans did or did not sleep with most of the women listed in these trash pieces! They are no more effecting or taken seriously than National Enquirer tabloid newspapers with laughably exaggerated front page headlines and silly photos on supermarket check out line stands.
I play with these postings.
Even if JFK's babe hopping is half true ... it is nothing to me versus the much more criminally corrupted and even murderous dark doings of JFK's adversaries and haters.
JFK DID date many, many women in his long 36 years of wealthy bachelorhood time.
He loved attractive women. He was very physically amorous. If he didn't become totally faithful opposite after marrying Jackie...who cares!
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3 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1592216714380394496
"Now let me tell you this here: If we was ready for the green agenda, I'd raise my hand right now. But we're not ready right now! So don't let them fool you like this is a new agenda, this is not a new agenda! We're not prepared, we're not ready right now! What we need to do is keep having these gas-guzzling cars, because we got the good emissions under those cars. We're doing the best thing that we can!"
Steve Thomas
Brilliant!
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"America is the greatest country in the United States."
Herschel Walker.
The well spoken Herschel would make Georgians proud in Senate debates.
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14 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:
My favorite spot in the area was Point Lobos.
The place hardly had any visitors when I first discovered it 1981. Sadly, ten years later the parking lot was often full. But you could still enjoy a little solitude if you took one of the many trails away from the main areas. Which you're supposed to do anyway to catch many of the beautiful sites.
Yes, I forgot Point Lobos. You certainly know the MP for sure.
New Dallas Morning News Interview with Ruth Paine
in JFK Assassination Debate
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If Oswald did the Walker shooting and JFK one...he had an escape plan for each.
If the inference by Marina is that she feared Lee would shoot Nixon when she fought him into the bathroom and locked the door, I doubt that Lee had this in mind.
He had no planning for Nixon's visit. No escape plan.
"I am just a patsy."
I would like to ask Ruth Paine if she has an opinion as to why Oswald would say such a weirdly specific denial comment to the world press, if he wanted to make a splash?
A person seeking to make a splash would want to do this for the attention reward...correct?
In the 1950s and 60's our small town had a public pool.
I would go there every week day in the summer starting at the age of 6.
We had two diving boards. A smaller level one and a high dive one.
Every day, half a dozen jokers would jump off the high dive board and try to make as big a splash as they could, hoping to spray water on the pool side sunbathers.
One splash dive was called the "cannon ball." The diver would curl his feet and legs underneath his torso and bend his upper body and head down to meet his legs to make himself into a round cannon ball.
I'll admit, the splash from this cannon ball dive was almost always bigger than all the rest.
Sometimes a 300 to 400+ pound person would appear on the high dive and draw everyone's OMG LOOK attention and then usually belly flop into the pool. And the tsunami waves generated by this were so enormous it would lift some pool swimmers right out of the water! And flood the sunbathing area as well.
Now THOSE...were splashes!