33 minutes ago, Kathy Beckett said:

Denny,  that poem was awesome!!

I have a real treat for you. This is one of my favorite Christmas songs, sung so emotionally and so heartfelt by Merna and Henrietta Neudorf. I stumbled across this a few years back, and I tell ya, it's a keeper. Won't keep you waiting

 

Inspiring.

The girl on the right?

She never once took her eyes off something far to her right.

Love their enthusiasm. 

Local talent contest winners?

Thank you Larry and Gene.

Both your response postings are really interesting, reasonable and make sense to me.

Gene , Larry, any thoughts about the Tucker Carlson "CIA did it" bombshell broadcast last week?

I ruffled some forum member feathers in disparaging Carlson's personal integrity and proposing my take that I don't trust the motivation behind his presenting the story and more believing that no serious bolstering follow up will occur than believing it would.

In your opinions what kind of new substantiating testimonial or documentation revelations would it take for you to continue to believe the main aspects of Carlson's claim?

And conversely, what future developments of the story would make you at least begin to doubt it?

28 minutes ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

"Trump poured $144 million into his own pockets by doing all his golfing at his own properties, and forcing the Secret Service to keep a $17,000/month villa at Bedminster year-round, just so they could be sure of getting a room when POTUS decided he felt like hitting a little ball around.

He just sold his DC Pay To Play Palace for $100 million more than he paid for it. That’s despite the fact he lied about it being profitable, and actually lost $70 million during the four years that Apparently Inebriated Rudy set up shop in the bar every night. (He even had a nameplate made, which he put out on the table for anyone looking to buy access to the president of the United States.)

And, of course, there’s the quarter-of-a-billion dollars he raked in for an “Official Election Defense Fund” that doesn’t exist. It was recently revealed that fund paid Melania’s clothing coordinator $60,000 for “strategy.”

 

How could this be allowed in our system of government? Just because there's politically a minority cult of Trump worshipers who would loudly object? And their representatives in Congress were bullied into keeping shut?

This went on for years. Apart from any fantasies the Trump cult had. There has to be an overriding authority, and some sense of accountability. That in itself , is worthy of investigation to ensure it never happens again.

 

Your point Kirk is as important as Trump himself.

How half of our society has super aggressively supported and enabled a person as criminally and immorally disturbed as Donald Trump to get away with all his constitution violating law breaking.

Especially those who call themselves Christian moral value respecting and following disciples.

The man is the opposite of a ten commandment or Christian value respecting person. Violating daily more of them than 90% of others do in a year.

There is a mass real reality denying even delusionary mental condition going on there.

Trump was so right about his 5th avenue brag regards his blindly loyal followers.

IMO this mass cult like mental Trump no wrong doing delusion accepting behavior with half our society is the most disturbing aspect of this dangerous democracy threatening and nation dividing Trump era.

God help us through all this divisive madness.

Just now, Matthew Koch said:

Ohhhhh okay, well than here you go.. 

 

Who is this bizarre mouth piece character spouting the perversely cringing, ridiculous even laughable spin on the January 6th riot as "mostly peaceful?"

Mostly peaceful?   HA HA HA?

Trump criminal action down-playing is now circus side show desperate.

Just now, Matthew Koch said:

Joe it wouldn't be the Festives season without the airing of grievances, lol 

 

We have a separate thread for Christmas good will sharing. I posted an uplifting message and song there.

This thread is and pretty much has been a sharing of our countries most pressing issues of the day, which Donald Trump daily thrust himself into every way he can with his insatiable appetite addiction for attention in the most antagonizing and controversy inciting energy and manner.

I do think I try to keep my postings on our main JFK threads appropriately focused on the subjects proposed therein. 

I do occasionally let off on Trump in this thread I admit.

If someday the moderators move it out...I'll be fine with that decision.

18 hours ago, Matt Allison said:

What a bizarre moment in history this all will someday be viewed as.

Matt ... Someday?

Right now!

Bizaare is one aspect, but the appropriate fuller truth description is hugely criminal and damaging. 

Just look at what Trump has been and is right now involved in regards the most serious, high crime legal investigations, charges and other major areas of suspected criminal and constitution violating activities.

Mar a Lago.

January 6th. insurrection, coup attempt.

New York tax cheating investigations and charges both business and personal. One already with a conviction of guilty.

Reportedly dozens of past shady business dealings with shady characters in his business life career.

The Georgia election manipulation, intimidation and coercion attempt probe.

The fake electors probe.

The E. Jean Carroll rape charge.

Missing inaugural funds scandal.

Suspected Emoluments Clause violations. Money laundering through exaggerated charges personal business funding by Saudis and many others.

Huge trove of donation monies ( over 100 million!) still unspent and not used for the reasons he told the givers in his begging campaign for such.

January 6th committee witness intimidation and tampering regards Cassidy Hutchison, etc. by a Trump lawyer.

Trump's tearing up and flushing down toilets official government documents.

Trump having his deceased ex-wife buried on one of his golf courses for tax break reasons. Same with placing some goats there.

Trump physically grappling with his SS driver in a rage over the driver refusing his demand to be driven to the Capital building on January 6th, 2021.

The willful destruction of government property ( paid for by tax payers ) in throwing ketchup and a plate at a wall, smashing the plate and incurring unnecessary White House employee man hours cleaning it up.

Sued by hundreds over his Trump University scam and settling out of court to the tune of millions plus court costs.

Hillary Clinton was blasted about Benghazi ( one scandal ) and she willingly and bravely went on national TV to answer 8 hours of angry toned loaded questions about her role by a worked up Republican biased committee. No cowardly hiding behind the 5th amendment claims.

Bill Clinton was impeached and had to face a grand jury over his Monica Lewinsky BJ in the Oval Office affair. Again, one charge.

Nixon had Watergate.

But Trump?

A guy who lost both Presidential elections via the popular vote by millions?

Was impeached "twice?"

Who is charged with more criminal doings than any President in our history and who has been caught in more lies than any President by a factor of thousands?

"I never had sex with Stormy Daniels or Karen McDougal."

"I never authorized any payments to them."

"I like to grab em by the Pu$$y."

Trump is and always will be encased in a presidential historical legacy world so beyond any other past presidents regards personal character failures it's new to unimaginable degrees territory.

Way beyond simply "bizaare." 

Criminal, mentally unbalanced, dangerous, divisive, truly circus side show stuff.

A biographical story that will never be able to be adequately told and covered in just one film or book alone.

To do this there would have to be an entire Trump Presidential library built separately than a traditional one.

Maybe one with an amusement park ride and interactive exhibit theme?

Come on folks, step right up...hit the wall target with a plate of catchup and win a MAGA bear.

Spin the wheel of scams and win a Trump digital card?

Hey kid...come on...test your grip strength on the GEBTP stick!

Pop Corn here...get your orange colored Trump pop corn here.

Sorry for being so cynical here.

However, this is exactly what Trump's horrible legacy has saddled our societal conscious with imo.

10 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

Ivanka had 300 let's say memory lapses over J-6, still hasn't talked to Jared about it?

Jan. 6 committee releases 46 more interview transcripts from probe (msn.com)

Clearly coordinated mass obstruction.

Scores of Trump inner circle all saying " I don't remember" "I don't recall" " I plead the 5th" cumulatively 1,000's of times?

They all had amnesia for the exact same fear shocking historical event time period?

You would not ( could not ) forget "everything" you said and did on a day when a massive attack is taking place on our Capital building full of our entire Congree and you are in physical or at least verbal contact with the President of the United States....could you?

Of course not.

1 hour ago, Denny Zartman said:

Twas the night before Christmas and all through the forum

The members were fighting with no sense of decorum

The invectives were posted on the front page with care

In spite of Nicholas Katzenbach's memo right there

 

The skeptics were wrestled all smug in their LED's

With delusions of lone nuts sniping some heads

But DiEugenio in his paragraphs, and Larson in his caps

Were endlessly debunking all the LN's bullcrap

 

When out on the thread there arose such a clatter

An argument so bad I got mad as a hatter

Just as I thought tempers had cooled and relationships might mend

Here we go with some more Tucker again

 

To the red X on the window I flew like a flash

And the button on my mouse I frantically started to mash

But the debate had gotten so far off the track

I almost wished that the Hickey theory was back

 

When, what to my wondering eyes should behold 

A document release containing much gold!

I unzipped the file and scanned all the scans

E-mailed it to the Kindle in my hot little hands

 

Read the PDF's and started scratching my head

Because it seemed to be something I'd already read

I knew in a moment it must be some kind of trick

I turned and addressed my complaint to St. Nick

 

He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work

Filled their stockings with coal and called Biden a jerk

And laying his finger aside of his nose

And giving a nod, down the memory hole it goes

 

He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle

And away they all flew like a Cuban air missile 

But with a wink he exclaimed, as his eye with me contacted

"Merry Christmas to all, and to all a REDACTED!"

 

Our own Poet Laureate!

Right On Denny Zartman!

15 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:

Steve,

   Yesterday was the second coldest day in the recorded history of Denver-- a low of -24 F and a high of -6 F.

    Mercifully, we had very little wind.

    Chicago is reportedly experiencing 40 to 50 mph winds with wind chill temps of -35 to -40 F today.

God Help my fellow Americans!

Is Ted Cruz once again abandoning ship and jetting to the beaches of Can Cun Mexico to escape the cold?

If Carlson's public announcement of knowledge of JFK blame turns out to be proven true, it will change American history and American society in ways almost hard to fathom and describe.

Public mistrust of our federal government will rise to unprecedented levels.

Our Fourth Estate as well.

Anger and cynicism will prevail. This truth will actually make us feel let down, lied to and even physically sick.

We will have no choice but to consider our whole government to blame for this highest crime 60 year long coverup.

This truth will cripple us. 

To what degree? 

One which we can heal from and get through and again feel trust, faith and national honor?

And not totally lose faith and trust in our constitutional democracy foundations and institutions?

Our "God Bless America" mind set and way of life?

So much to consider regards where a truth such as this will lead and effect us all imo.

The history of humanity is constantly shaken up and re-shaped by major reality rocking event change.

Some occurring in just one day.

Entire societies changed forever.

A JFK revelation such as this would be one of those imo.

Yet, if this story is true and proven so...we must deal with it and try to use it in constructive ways.

I'm not saying the story isn't true, I just don't trust the messenger.

I guess in the weeks and months ahead we will see what becomes of it.

We and the rest of the world have been through some heavy and stressing reality rocking change in the last 3 years with the deadly virus knocking us all back on our heels socially and economically. We are getting through it.

Best wishes to the JFK Truth and Justice community this holiday and throughout the next year.

JB.  Proud recipient of the Professor Irwin Cory Fellowship Society award for outstanding contribution to world humanity understanding and advancement.

27 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:

The Devastating New History of the Insurrection

December 23, 2022 at 11:43 am EST By Taegan Goddard

David Remnick: “In his career as a New York real-estate shyster and tabloid denizen, then as the forty-fifth President of the United States, Trump has been the most transparent of public figures. He does little to conceal his most distinctive characteristics: his racism, misogyny, dishonesty, narcissism, incompetence, cruelty, instability, and corruption.”

“And yet what has kept Trump afloat for so long, what has helped him evade ruin and prosecution, is perhaps his most salient quality: he is shameless. That is the never-apologize-never-explain core of him. Trump is hardly the first dishonest President, the first incurious President, the first xxxx. But he is the most shameless. His contrition is impossible to conceive. He is insensible to disgrace…”

“Experience makes it plain that Trump will just keep going on like this, deflecting, denying, lashing out at his accusers, even if it means that he will end his days howling in a bare and echoing room. It matters little that the report shows that even members of his innermost circle, from his Attorney General to his daughter, know the depths of his vainglorious delusions. He will not repent. He will not change.”

“But the importance of the committee’s report has far less to do with the spectacle of Trump’s unravelling. Its importance resides in the establishment of a historical record, the depth of its evidence, the story it tells of a deliberate, coordinated assault on American democracy that could easily have ended with the kidnapping or assassination of senior elected officials, the emboldenment of extremist groups and militias, and, above all, a stolen election, a coup.”

Here, Here.

1 hour ago, Stu Wexler said:

Larry,

Are you still following up on his source?  Any chance we can get someone like Jeff Morley to interview said source, with off the record and anonymity protections, to see if Jeff can at least confirm his or her bona fides? 

I have reservations trusting Tucker C, but I am willing to keep an open mind.

Stu

I am sensing the story will just fizzle out. If it got any hotter...Carlson's career would be seriously threatened.

Seems like it would be easy to identify this waitress.

She knew and interacted with many police officers. The restaurant was very popular and busy. She was there for almost two years. She apparently was physically attractive.

Any DPD officers still alive who frequented the restaurant back then?

She seemed very sure about most of her answers.

She had nothing to gain by agreeing to this 2003 interview.

Maybe the fellow who conducted the interview is still alive.

I'm sure Tippit expert J.McBride knows the details and the waitress.

Haven't read JM's "Into The Nightmare" however, wondering what McBride's take on this waitress was. She was employed at Austin's for 1 1/2 or more years. She knew Tippit well.

She says Jack Ruby was always trying to get her to work at the Carousel and one assumes as a stripper. She must have been physically attractive.

According to this former waitress her co-worker Austin Restaurant waitress Johnny Maxie Witherspoon was reportedly the woman J.D. Tippit was having an affair with. Witherspoon was married during the affair.

Ms. Witherspoon reportedly denied living on 10th street near where J.D. Tippit was murdered. This interview co-worker waitress stated in this interview that Witherspoon did live on 10th street. Who's lying here?

What an important witness to call to testify for anyone investigating Tippit's murder. But she never was? 

Joe McBride's comments on this Austin Barbeque waitress and her claims of seeing Tippit sitting with Ruby and all three together ( Oswald included ) at least once?

"Ms. X"—witness who knew that J.D. Tippit, Lee Oswald & Jack Ruby all knew each other

 

 

 

 

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21 hours ago, Gene Kelly said:

I was new to the assassination backstories at the time (circa 1992, when Robert Gates was DCI) and had expressed skepticism about CIA's role in the assassination, and why it hadn't been eventually exposed and/or acknowledged.  His response was simple and concise, and has resonated with me ever since:

"What makes you think that's the worst thing that they ever did?" 

Gene

Just as some related that the Watergate affair was just the tip of the iceberg regards other illegal domestic activities by such covert groups whose targets were always adversaries of the MIC Republican party.

And don't forget Jessie Ventura recounting his being called down to his Capital building basement right after he was elected as Governor of Minnesota to be questioned by a circled group of disparate average looking people including even young college age men and women who quizzed him about his ideological stances.  They were CIA...according to Ventura.

Ventura said he thought their role mandate was not supposed to be domestic. It really disturbed him that he was confronted like that.

1 hour ago, Tommy Tomlinson said:

Cheers David... that is indeed a fairly comprehensive list of the stars that had to align for Oswald to have done it.

He was SO lucky that none of those things happened!

If only DPD Chief Jessie Curry had not felt so obsessed that the public needed to see that his department was not mistreating Oswald in their custody that he overruled the concerned suggestions by many that he move Oswald ( the most threatened criminal suspect in our history ) at night without public announcement and under much more physical protection versus announcing his broad daylight transfer to the press along with a time frame and allowing his rather small and tight parking basement to be filled by a crowd of jostling, blinding flash bulb press people resulting in security breach negligence that allowed the armed strip joint owning, DPD deli sandwich delivery boy Jack Ruby unchecked access into that press crowd to blow a hole into the wide open LHO.

Thereby creating the largest public event movement of government suspicion and mistrust in our history.

9 hours ago, Vince Palamara said:

Really good article before Harry passed away: Kennedy assassination is author”s life”s work – Monterey Herald

This is the article I mentioned.

"The new reports of possible CIA involvement in the killing of JFK come in the middle of revelations that the intelligence community and FBI actively worked to remove Donald Trump from office. This time they did not use bullets. This time they used Big Tech and the media.

This time, we’re the patsies."

When I saw this at the end of the article, I dismissed it.

Harrison L. wasn't the only JFK researcher feeling threatened.

There is a video of John Judge speaking to a large group ( in Canada and which I will try to find and post a link to) and who worked off and on with Mae Brussell.

He related how he felt Brussell was indeed followed and tracked.

Directly across from Brussell's Carmel, California home a new home was built during her last year or two of broadcasting from there. Judge said that there were an unusually high  number of contractors coming and going from the building site from what Brussell could tell.

After the home was finished, it sat apparently empty from the time of it's completed construction to when Brussell walked over to the front door and knocked, hoping to ask for some sugar from whomever might be inside. 

Of course no one answered the door.

Brussell then looked through some windows ( I presume partially curtained ) and saw no furniture. Just loads of electronic equipment.

3 days after Mae Brussell passed away...this new but never occupied home burnt to the ground!

And the local newspapers ( again I assume the Carmel Pine Cone and Monterey Herald ) never reported a cause or ownership information or any typical fire department investigation report.

2 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

to live in a city where they need an income of almost $400,000 to buy a median-priced house.

10% of our population now.

And you need to make $50,000 to $60,000 gross yearly income or more to afford a one to two bedroom apartment in a safe area to boot. Unless you share this with one or more persons.

31 minutes ago, Larry Hancock said:

Well I'll just be repetitive and say this one more time.....assuming that Tucker does have a source and if Tucker is ethical and committed then he should be making Congressional contacts to gain an offer of immunity for his source to go on record with his information.  The same with an outreach to Congress to involve appropriate committees including oversight committees.   Given that his source may now be at risk, and that he is morally complicit for not revealing this information himself, he should be willing to cooperate and provide directions on where to find the document he saw including details to vet his story as to date, time, location, source etc.

There are legal channels which exist to actually introduce and leverage this sensational claim......will they work, maybe, maybe not but sensational evidence demands a meaningful response. 

Bottom line, he reported it, he has a responsibility legally, ethically and morally to try and do something with it to move matters forward....its a claim which if supportable could well lead to a new Congressional inquiry at a minimum and for that matter his Congressional and political supporters claim to want truth in the matter so they need to step up too.

This is no game, the assassination was a murder, it was sedition, it was treason and he needs to treat it in that light.

My prediction:

The story will go away. Carlson will come up with some flimsy excuse why it did.

The man is not going to risk his career sticking with this.

The bloody January 6th insurrection is the biggest and most important American democracy threatening event in my lifetime.

A sedition minded, death threat screaming mob of thousands ( hundreds armed or using stolen items as weapons ) violently storming our "very own Capital building" full of our Congress members, their aides and Capital police and causing unprecedented injury ( with related deaths) to 100+ police, lifetime traumatizing of them and our Congress members with life and death siege concern for 3 hours and rampaging through the building, shattering windows, vandalizing offices, even defecating throughout the halls and elsewhere.

Imagine, our entire Congress fearing for their lives for 3 hours? In their own house?

Think home invasion level fear. Or a bank robbery hostage situation?

Only in exaggerated U.S. government takeover Hollywood films did we ever imagine such highest level violent insurrection events like this happening.

No one here can come up with anything more seriously threatening to our entire Congress in our lifetimes.

No other political protest event ( Black Lives Matter ) in Trump times comes close to the seriousness and democracy threatening impact and importance of the huge mob Capital building attack on January 6th, 2001.

This organized and Trump incited marauding attacking mob's goal was to stop the peaceful transfer of our duly elected new officers into office. A direct attack upon our constitution itself. An unprecedented violent action one.

Our very own President during this event sat back and watched the violent mob attack against his own Congress, in their own sacred place of government business and purposely allowed it to continue for "3 hours" knowing of the great injury and trauma and physical damage to the building itself that was taking place right before his own eyes ... and did nothing to stop it?

Who doesn't understand why we had a highest level congressional investigation into this unprecedented insurgency event and why Trump has just been recommended for felony criminal indictment ( 4 ) in their final concluding report?

To me, the downplaying of this large mob physical injury and democracy threatening attack right inside of our revered Capital building full of our Congress members is as much a threat against our constitutional democracy as the event itself.

Media giant Fox News has led this downplaying and with it's massive audience influence deserves justified condemnation for doing so.

This is just one main reason I don't give that extreme right wing propaganda machine and their main propaganda commentators any quarter of respect including any for some diversionary news story like this JFK one.

You give Fox News an inch of respect and they will milk it for a mile.

Judge Littig said this to the Amercian people on national TV:

"Trump is a clear and present danger to our democracy." 

With his blindly obedient, rage inflamed followers doing his bidding, even if it means violent attacks against our own government resulting in great injury, lifelong fear trauma and even death.

Trump has brought us all to a precipice of unprecedented constitutional threat danger.

IMO Fox News has been his main MSM enabler in doing so...and they are still doing so.

If my take on Fox News and their main propagandist commentators ( Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham and their great moral ethics Fox News birth father Roger Ailes included ) seems over-the-top emotion driven and irrational to a degree...well, I'll live with that take and trust that in the end it will be revealed as more rational than not.

19 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

Some of my fellow liberals around here seem to be blinded by their understandable contempt for Tucker Carlson and Fox News.

Not blinded so much as very wary and mistrusting.

And could this story be a purposeful ( and typical Fox News ) distraction ploy from all the huge Trump bad news filling the MSM airways?

And if this story goes nowhere ... will those who are defending and even praising TC here still continue to do so?

I thought the majority of our members here shared my take on Fox News as a shameless extreme right wing propaganda machine and nothing more.