Joe Bauer

Harrison Livingstone lived here on the Monterey Peninsula for a time.

I had seen a couple photos of him from somewhere ( there was an article about him published in our local Monterey Herald newspaper ) and I believe I saw him in person around that time.

I was walking out of the Monterey city library one day. Entering and leaving required walking through a narrow 30 to 40 foot long shared traffic corridor.

In this corridor was an old wooden shelf mounted pay phone.

I noticed a fellow using this and nervously looking around while doing so.

I thought this person was Livingstone. For some naive reason I stopped and stared at him longer than I should have.

When he noticed me doing so he really went into anxiety mode. Animatedly darting his eyes and looking at me with an almost angry "what are you staring at" glare.

I cannot say "for sure" it was HL however, at the time I thought it was.

Getting back to this new debate regards a well-known yet controversial pundit from an extremely politically biased news commentary organization and his public proclamation of CIA involvement in the JFK assassination ...

Where does it go?

I have thrown out my lifetime mistrust of TC and his company as a reason for downplaying this latest JFK revelation event and questioning it's true agenda intent.

If some other major player or blockbuster documentary evidence doesn't soon come out to bolster TC's shocking JFK assassination proposition claim, this whole episode will just fade out of the news cycle and then what?

Shouldn't we JFK truth seeking purists be angry at the perpetrators of high importance false flag stories like this and who have the national news coverage stage and spotlight weight to widely showcase and promote it?

Is this TC pronouncement event going to turn out to be just another National Enquirer headline story?

If TC's JFK/CIA claim gains real legs and actually becomes a major American historical truth changing revelation, I'll give it and him a lot of credit.

But if it doesn't?

Here we are next to the 60th year anniversary of 11,22,1963.

Are we any closer to knowing exactly who did JFK, RFK, MLK?

Lee Harvey Oswald, James Earl Ray, Sirhan Sirhan by themselves?

Or any number of suspect groups and individuals involved with Oswald and those other fellows or not?

After a lifetime or reading, speculation and pondering, I am feeling that probably the  closest answer to the truth is that the over-all "blame" for JFK's murder rests with all those other powerful groups and individuals who hated JFK to murderous minded levels and who actually celebrated his brutal slaughter.

JFK was a totally serious real threat to their gains and interests. His removal, as well as RFK's and MLK's, removed that threat and furthered their gains.

The interests of common/average American citizens received the opposite result.

Perhaps a future time machine technology breakthrough will someday enable us to know exactly who did JFK.

H.G. Wells...Nicola Tesla.

If we can think it...it can be done, yes?

3 minutes ago, Charles Blackmon said:

Its Murrow

CB...thank you.

1 hour ago, Lance Payette said:

. You assume there are "dirty secrets" that would "destroy the system." VAST numbers of dirty secrets have been aired over the past 60 years without much of a dent to the system.

LP, why do you think the Church committee was formed?

Do you also think the CIA ever truly opened and revealed their most important secret doings to that committee?

For decades, as far back as Kennedy ( and even Eisenhower ) Presidents themselves were expressing grave concerns about our secret agencies gaining too much power and influence. Even keeping Presidents from knowing about their most secret doings.

Their black budgets have totaled TRILLIONS of dollars in this time.

Wasn't Eisenhower's 1960 departing office MIC warning speech directly indicating such?

And by the way...your own Arizona Governor Fife Symington ( former Air Force officer? ) publicly stated that he lied to the press about your own UFO event...the "Phoenix Lights" incident when it happened. Made a joke about it. To calm the worked up citizenry who witnessed them by the tens of thousands?

He believed this incident was not a secret American military event.  Do you think Symington was or is one of your conspiracy loon types?

2 hours ago, Denny Zartman said:

Yes, because one does not rise to the rank of CIA Director by being a free-thinking radical determined to destroy the system.

I'm surprised anyone would expect a CIA Director to come into the job with the intent of airing any of the Agency's dirty secrets, much less maybe the dirtiest secret of them all.

Exactly.

2 hours ago, Larry Hancock said:

I have a hard time seeing it as a shock to most of his listeners - perhaps only because he did say it so forcefully and sincerely (which he always does, he is obviously a powerful speaker).  Fine.

Not trying to confront you regards your not wanting to get into a media/personality argument LH. Your standing here is much too highly respected to do so as well.

But I just have to raise my arm and hand to interject my head back " say what?" thought reaction to your praise of Tucker Carlson as "a powerful speaker" ?

Looking back in my 70 years of TV news and commentary viewing and reflecting on who of the thousands of such personalities comes into mind as "powerful speakers" -

Tucker Carlson just doesn't register.

Instantly off the top of my head I could easily list 20 other American national news figures ( since the birth of television ) who easily fit that lofty oratory skills categorization much more eloquently and powerfully than Carlson.

Edward R. Murrow.

Walter Cronkite.

So many others like Howard K. Smith, David Brinkley, Chet Huntley, Mike Wallace, Paul Harvey, etc. 

Great trial oratory actors like Gregory Peck, James Mason, Orson Wells, now they were powerful speakers. Remember Henry Fonda in "12 Angry Men" and "Grapes Of Wrath?"

James Earl Jones, Morgan Freeman, Martin Luther King, Jim Garrison...etc.

Where does Tucker Carlson fit in this world of great and powerful American public speakers?

To me TC is hard to watch. His speaking manner and tone seem extremely whiny and high pitched. He has a mostly confused, pinched eye, ruffled brow and forehead and hanging open jaw facial expression look.

For years his nerdy bow tie wearing and smooth almost adolescent no facial hair skin appearance made me think of the typical private or Catholic high school tattletale kid. Running to the principal's office and finking on every schoolmate that he saw spying on a fellow classmate's test answers or stealing a cookie out of someone else's bag lunch.

My apologies for my personality posting here for those who think it is unworthy.

However, Tucker Carlson does this personality attacking in almost every TV broadcast he airs. So... "what's good for the goose..." ???

1 hour ago, Chris Barnard said:

Here is something to ponder; It’s a mirror image on the other side concerning some of the darling newscasters supposedly positioned on the ideological left. They too think certain characters are destroying the very fabric of the USA with pro globalist, pro-technocratic ideals. They too seek to divide of ostracise anybody who doesn’t share their views. People on the other side feel just like you. 

Respectfully disagree Chris.

Let us first look at the "fabric" of our society in it's current state and see who is more coherent in their assessment of it, left or right, especially in comparison to JFK times and now. And in comparison to the rest of the world's industrialized nations and societies.

Number one, we are ideologically at war with each other.

We just had a mob of thousands of screaming worked up Americans ( inspired by their leader Donald Trump) violently storm our revered Capital Building !

Yelling "Hang Mike Pence", "Get Nancy Pelosi" "Stop The Steal" while running over and injuring hundreds of Capitol Police ( a few even dying as a result) and causing extreme damage to the building and traumatizing our entire Congress with life and death fear.

This is civil war level violence.

We've got right wing extremists planning kidnapping of governors, physically threatening and intimidating other officials who dare criticize their fearless leader Trump. Arizona Speaker of the House Rusty Bowers harrowing tale of this is typical.

I still remember watching a convoy of big tire, Trump sticker and banner adorned pick up trucks driven by cowboy hatted drivers, super loudly rumbling through even my home town area. Honking and shouting out pro-Trump/anti-Democrat cursing slogans. Gun racks in the window, a few Pit Bull dogs tied down in their truck beds. It was all blatant intimidation.

The covid virus knocked our nation down like nothing I have ever seen in my lifetime. I am telling you, we have only recovered 50% since that time. One million lives lost. Hundreds of thousands of businesses lost. Millions have never come back to normal income life styles. Trump mishandled that crisis to devastating degrees. He lied and made exaggerated health claims.

Remember, the help that was finally offered by the government that truly helped millions of job loss Americans through that nightmare was barely passed with the Democrats fighting for it and Trump and the Republicans against it or in the least trying to majorly limit it?

The cost of housing ( rents ) is insane. A problem for the last 30 years is now so bad it has caused millions of Americans to cut out other basic needs. Millions of young Americans can't afford rent. They are not marrying and having children as they simply can't afford to.

Millions are descending into homelessness and living out of their cars?

The world health organization ranks countries in basic living standard health.

America is far from the top ranked countries in almost every category.

We are militarily super rich, and yet extremely societally stressed poor in far too many basic need areas.

Millions of America's kids are stressed by drug problems, job opportunity problems outside of fast food and gas station convenience store ones, housing problems, cost of higher education problems.

America is the last hold out modern society nation that will not allow their citizens national health care.

Illegal immigration ( tens of millions of poor ) is breaking our welfare/social services, schooling, police and jail, state paid hospital and other health care budgets in too many areas with California being hit the hardest.

Just yesterday we heard this sad but true reality statistic that is a great part of our nation's over-all fabric condition.

In baby boomer ( JFK ) times, 90% of American children went into adulthood earning more than their parents.

Now?  That figure is down to 40%!

This is the reality of our nation now. We all know this. There is no room to debate here.

Which side of our traditional political ideological stance is more to blame for this proven decline in our societal fabric? The left? Or the Reagan trickle down inspired right?

12 hours ago, John Cotter said:

I understand it to mean that Tucker Carlson's alleged sins and character flaws are irrelevant to the validity or otherwise of what he says.

IMO the damage and harm Tucker Carlson has done to our society with his years of inflaming and dividing and twisting the truth propaganda makes him worse than simply non-credible.

To me he is a journalistic ethics violating jackal. 

This odd JFK/CIA claim he has made is giving him false and way over-the-top redeeming praise. 

And I don't understand how so many here are falling into this "Tucker Carlson instant hero" cheer leading crowd shout/wave.

I will never trust this guy. I also believe he is a mockingbird plant.

This story will fade away soon enough imo. But Carlson has picked up a mountain of past indiscretion redeeming points from it and he is smiling all the way to the false reality revived integrity bank with them.

E. Howard Hunt already claimed CIA involvement with Cord Meyer and he ( Hunt ) being a "bench warmer" to a larger more actively involved team of CIA connected characters, ie Sturgis, Morales, etc.

Yet, Hunt's "Big Event" story was so ignored by the MSM and JFK research academics ( contrary to Carlson's praised claim ) it was incongruously suspicious. Or tellingly so?

America's most famous and self-promoting political dirty deed trickster Roger Stone also made a huge chunk of change putting out his own JFK conspiracy book that simply echoed E. Howard Hunt's story. 

Didn't LBJ long time mistress Madeleine Brown ( and mother to LBJ's love child Steven  ) tell us this same story in her recounting of LBJ screaming at her "it was big oil... and those damn renegade intelligence bastards" who took out JFK?

Yet her story (which echos Carlson's one ) was dismissed as simply the rantings of a vengeful, defunded and even loony LBJ ex-girlfriend trying to make some quick bucks and get back at LBJ and his family for cruelly and coldly disclaiming her son from his rightful LBJ fathered birth rights?

A retired Army Special Forces colonel ( Dan Marvin ) also said our own people carried out the JFK hit per his interview in the documentary film series "The Men Who Killed Kennedy."

98% of Americans won't give this Carlson JFK assassination claim a second or even first thought.

They are too busy with 100 daily life needs and duties and other practical matters to give a hoot.

So, where does Tucker Carlson go with this story now?

Will he be called out by some highest level historical truth seeking MSM consortium to tell us more for the sake of reclaiming our constitutional government foundation, democratically elected government, supposedly lost to this evil, non-elected higher power entity takeover since 11,22,1963?

What would Rush Limbaugh have said about this Tucker Carlson revelation proclamation?

Just now, John Cotter said:

Those who think Tucker Carlson is the devil incarnate might reflect on the Lebanese proverb, "If you get a hair from the devil, that's net profit".

JC

Please excuse my lameness ... but I just don't get the above quote.

If anyone here has ever felt Wag The Dog/Faux News poster boy Tucker Carlson has done any to much to a massive amount of damage to our society in 20 years of divisive, demonizing and deceptive broadcasting to a huge national audience 5 nights a week,

I ask you...how can you even think that this one weird CIA involved take on the JFK event by him is worthy of instantly dismissing his entire career of divisive hate, anger, doubt, mistrust, democracy damaging propaganda and portraying him now as some kind of truth and justice seeking hero?

To me Carlson is still the constitutional equal rights attacking and totally self-serving upper class oligarchy favoring and defending, journalistic ethics antithesis scoundrel he always was and his.

This one odd quirky broadcast by Carlson ( that will soon be apathetically ignored and forgotten by the general public ) does not and should not absolve this guy's lifetime of American democracy damage in any way ... imo anyways.

If Carlson came on and said he believed UFO's are real and extra-terrestrial and ET's are real, it would create a temporary stir like his JFK/CIA shtick as well. Yet, again, the general public would be numbed to this soon after through all the means that have been used to create that societal reactive numbness for decades.

Now, there is a picture of a fellow standing on the sidewalk in DP who looks more like William "Rip" Robertson than this photo looking like George Bush in DP ... imo.

I'll see if I can find and post it.

Judge for yourself.

Right when Greer turns his head around and for the second he looks right at JFK, you see the limo at it's slowest speed.

And/or, the second JFK's head explodes...same thing.

Just my unscientific analysis opinion but that looks slower than 8MPH to me.

Kris162

3 hours ago, Chris Bristow said:

In the Z film the limo never slows below 8 miles per hour. We can measure that accurately because we know it's filming at 18.6 frames per second and all of the Zapruderr frames are available for free download. Slowing from 13 to 8 mph doesn't match up with people saying it almost stopped., imo.

When I watch the Z film ( 2,458 times I am guessing ) I see the limo slowing down for a 2+ second period almost to a stop, just before and during the head shot.

It looks like the motorcycle escorts had to hit their brakes right then and also driver William Greer turns around almost 180 degrees just before the head shot. Greer's head remains looking at JFK during the shot and upon seeing it, he turns back around and quickly accelerates off.

It's common sense that Greer would instinctually let off the accelerator when he turns his upper body and head almost full around to look behind him like that.

And it was the slowing of the limo that enabled Clint Hill to cover the ground he needed to reach the back of the limo from the Queen Mary.

Hill reached the back of the limo "after" JFK was hit and just as Greer was hitting the gas hard. Hill was lucky. He was a micro second away from not getting a firm grip on the rear handle bar and losing his footing and falling, possibly then being run over by the Queen Mary.

In my opinion, you can see the limo slowing down that much just before and during the head shot by observing the speed of film above the limo where you see Moorman and others. Before the slowing the limo is zipping by them at a clip that does look 10+ miles per hour. Then they don't zip by. Stark and obvious slowing.

2 hours ago, David Boylan said:

For those that like to read docs:

Warren DeBrueys report. His PSI was Arnesto Rodriguez. Copies sent to Miami and INS.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=80631#relPageId=2

Bringuier and Rodriguez as FBI informants.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=193664#relPageId=2

Bringuier has sign from Arnesto 

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=95624#relPageId=65

 

Arnesto and Bringuier with tape and transcript of LHO and Butler

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10490#relPageId=542

 

Arnesto Sr - https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=8890#relPageId=2

 

Arnesto Rodriguez getting help from Americans and weapons. Good doc. Needed money.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=25527#relPageId=5

 

Arnesto files, Gerry Hemming file 

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=81672#relPageId=2

What does the Mary Ferrell - Gerry Hemming file show or suggest?

I clicked on the Hemming file link above but all I saw were a few numbers.

Kudos to those here who have so well researched Oswald in New Orleans, the NO FBI and the anti-Castro groups and individuals there and all their activities leading up to late 1963. 

Amazing and appreciated how much time and work these members have put into this Oswald truth seeking effort.

But what a crazy, crazy mix of "Casablanca" type intrigue and characters. Only a Cuban version and 100X more involved.

Even with it's own "Ricks Place" the Habana Bar And Lounge.

All running around with double and even triple layer secret identities and agendas. 

Hot headed anti-Castroites, Castro spies and counter spies, worked up Intel agencies, secret training camps, gun running, Oswald running around working up everyone, other odd intrigue characters like David Ferrie, Clay Shaw, Guy Bannister, Mafia big shot Marcello, Dr. Alton Oschner ... even big Jim Garrison trying to figure out who the heck was who and what the heck was going on.

What a circus!

Can't decide whether all this revealing research helps provide a clearer picture of what the heck was really going on down there in 1963 New Orleans ... or muddles it even more.

Personally, if I were there myself in the summer of 1963 I probably would have hung out with jive/hip/ beat talking, gay boy bailing out, city court case level N.O. attorney Dean Andrews.

Dancing by ourselves with a glass of bourbon in one hand and a miniature umbrella in the other to Dixieland music in night life jazz clubs. 

"Pipe the bimbo in red" ... "Pluckin me like a chicken, shuckin me like corn" " you dancin with a gorilla Jimbo."

Seriously, the idea of a JFK conspiracy being cooked up in that caldron of crazy hot headed JFK hating nefarious agenda extreme political view eccentric behavior characters in that drunkenly sinful, jazz blaring, mafia corrupted, shrimp gumbo obsessed and even voodoo cursed feeling mess of confused humanity city is a very plausible proposition...imo anyways.

2 hours ago, Douglas Caddy said:

I never had any connection with the White House Plumbers activities. It is unlikely that I shall be mentioned.

I don't plan to watch it but if you do, I would appreciate you take on it afterwards.

 

I will.

3 hours ago, Douglas Caddy said:

Doug, will your real life character be portrayed in the current Watergate HBO drama series "The White House Plumbers?"

Starring Woody Harrelson?

Could Lauren Boubert really be Ruth Buzzi's daughter?

1 hour ago, Douglas Caddy said:

YUP ... TRUMP CULT MENTALITY.

THE TRUTH ISN'T THE TRUTH UNLESS THEIR FEARLESS LEADER TELLS THEM SO.

12 hours ago, Tom Gram said:

Oswald also supposedly ran a one-man propaganda operation in New Orleans that included hiring helpers, printing flyers, etc. while unemployed and told Dean Andrews he was getting paid for it - and there is credible evidence suggesting that he may have even rented an office.

Did Oswald rent a hand bill printer? Borrow one? Buy one? Was the room space he needed to do this free?

How did he afford to pay his helpers on just his unemployment? Where did he find these helpers? Just went up to them as they stood around idly on street corners or sat on park benches and offered them a few dollars to do this?

Some may say that Marina was happy living in roach crawling apartments with the barest of furnishings, no TV, no bedding for June. Buying the minimum food with meat as a luxury. Having teeth problems yet not being able to afford medical care.

After all, she did come from a lifestyle in Russia that just having an apartment with a bedroom was fine and not much variety of foods to eat.

Jeanne De Mohrenchildts testified that Marina told her with sarcastic disdain something very close to the following regards her husband Lee when she ( Marina ) and Jeanne see Lee's rifle in a closet ...

Look at this idiot...we need food and other things for the family and he buys a rifle?

Marina was not content with her and Lee's usual financial straights.

She may have told the Warren Commission she was and didn't need to be indulged like average American young mothers, but tell that to Jeanne De Mohrenschildts.

Marina did not like having to ask others for help and even shelter in 1963. She didn't even like Ruth Paine in my opinion. But she needed her basic needs financial, clean shelter and transportation help.

3 hours ago, Jean Paul Ceulemans said:

It's important to keep in mind LHO got in as a tourist with a limited visa.

If you had the money for the trip (even if it was the total of your life savings),  it wasn't that hard to get in.

Of course, as a tourist that is, and the Intourist guides would be on your back all-the-way watching you closely.

Intourist even had offices in the USA (and a bunch of other countries), they made tourist posters, the works. Basically they were a travel-agency.  They were also KGB of course, I guess that was mandatory if you wanted to work outside the USSR.

We don't know if/when Oswald visited such an office, but during his time in Japan he could have gotten the necessary information imo

https://www.rbth.com/travel/330988-foreign-tourists-soviet-union

 

 

 

 

 

Yes.

The thing that always throws me in the Oswald "secret agent" or even informant scenario is this:

Oswald was financially so stressed in his entire time back here in the states it was often welfare level desperate.

His marriage was often on the rocks because if it. Marina's health was greatly neglected because of this. His child's basic needs were barely met. Oswald had to endure much humiliation when others had to step in and help his wife and children.

It all reached a breaking point when Marina told Lee she didn't want to go back with him.

Oswald had to take buses everywhere. ( anyone here ever have to do this as an adult? Talk about inconvenient ) He had to ask other poor fellows like Buell Frazier for rides. He had to take the crummiest of jobs at the lowest wages. He could only afford dinky no privacy $8 a week, shared bath and refrigerator rooms or the YMCA?

Talk about a miserable and humiliating, dependent on others lifestyle.

How could any government agency ask anyone to participate in their programs and at the same time allow them to live in the most desperate welfare situation like that?

Agent E. Howard Hunt lived the highest privileged wealthy class lifestyle with Cadillacs, expensive cigars, property estates, country clubs and private schools for his children.

Agent ( or even informant?) Oswald lived the most desperate lowest welfare one.

Maybe Oswald's note to the Dallas FBI was a higher informant compensation pay demand one ... or else? 

CB, I remind you of my post months ago, relating the story of our local Whole Foods store asking a customer at their check out if they would like to sign up for their new "palm print" identification system?

Eye scans, voice analysis, fingerprint scans, body movement ID, these are all highly developed identification systems that are now ready for the average, everyday citizen for use in every transactional contact no matter how innocent and mundane.

Our local town here wants to install the new auto license scanning cameras surveillance system where every vehicle entering and leaving the city 24/7 is tracked and the tracking info is put into a matrix.

Many cities have this here in California already. Mostly wealthy resident ones. Tiburon. Carmel. Etc.

So, we are all already watched, surveilled and tracked in almost every aspect of our daily lives whether we want this or not.

Credit cards, your home computer, your cell phones, tracking devices in every new car...

The only privacy bastion we have left anymore are our actual bodies.

If we are finally lulled into having chips permanently inserted into them ( and as always under the most frightening personal safety fear warning scenarios) we will then be fully "digitalized." Chips that will have every bit of your personal info...and even chips that can monitor your pulse rate, temperature etc. in real time.

We are 90% there already.

6 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:

“I want to tell you something. If Steve Bannon and I had organized that, we would have won. Not to mention, we would’ve been armed,” she said of the Jan. 6, 2021, attempt by supporters of then-President Donald Trump to overturn the 2020 election, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center and the New York Post.

If our MSM ignores or downplays this insanely seditious promoting statement by this violence inciting dragon lady...shame on them.

16 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

      Do Benjamin Cole and the guys from the MAGA-verse know that Donald Trump's Stop-the-Steal/J6 coup co-conspirator, Rudy Giuliani, is a cross-dresser?  Did Fox News cover that story, fellas?

      It's one thing for a cross-dressing kleptomaniac to steal people's luggage at airports.  It's another matter for a President's cross-dressing attorney to steal an election... 🤥

Both Judy Guiliani and "Grab Em By The Pu$$y" DJT's legacies were greatly enhanced by this video performance.

There will be a viewing booth in the DJ Trump presidential library for visitors to see this video above, the Billy Bush/Trump exchange and other Trump highlights such as Trump's claim on AF1 to the press that he never had sex with Stormy Daniels nor offered her hush money payments, and on and on and on.