Micah Mileto
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Any more word on when the Livingstone medical materials will be digitized and released?
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7 hours ago, David Von Pein said:
You must be kidding. Of course they looked for bullets. ....
My bets might be on an altered throat wound. That's a 170-page essay still coming soon - The Case for an Altered Throat Wound.
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1 hour ago, David Von Pein said:
Any opinions on this?
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1 minute ago, Ron Bulman said:
Let's not forget it' the Pristine Magic Bullet. With more of it left in John Connaly's wrist and leg than is missing from it. The one that didn't do what test bullets did when fired into a wrist only, end up with a smashed nose. The one found on the hospital cart of a kid brought in for a cut foot suffered from a broken coke bottle in his driveway. With a questionable chain of custody, not recognized by those who found it. The one that went down, then up, inside JFK's throat, then down again in mid air. Like Dr. Wecht said, you want a magic bullet, this is it, it will do whatever you want.
Is the official story that 10 centimeters of Connally's rib was literally pulverized by the bullet? Because I have hear David Lifton say that portion of rib was possibly secretly removed by surgery. As pointed out by Millicent Cranor, even the Discovery Channel bullet didn't go through that much bone.
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15 hours ago, David Von Pein said:
I don't think my assertion is "unfounded" regarding the heights of the wounds in relation to each other. It's a comparison of 2D photos, that's true enough. But even without the use of photogrammetry (which would be the ideal method of comparison), I think it's obvious that the back wound is higher on JFK's body than is the exit/trach wound. And author Vincent Bugliosi agreed with me:
- "Perhaps the clearest visual evidence of the fact that the entrance wound in the [President's] back was definitely above the exit wound in the throat appears in one of [the autopsy] photos taken of the left side of the president's head as he is lying on his back, his head on a metal headrest. Only the wound to the throat is visible, not the wound to his upper right back. However, it couldn't be clearer from this photo that the wound to the back was definitely above the exit wound in the throat." -- Vince Bugliosi; Page 424 of "Reclaiming History"
Apparently Bulio failed at editing, because he accidentally left in a part in Reclaiming History where he states as a fact the HSCA's conclusion of a back wound lower than the throat wound.
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From Reclaiming History by Vincent Bugliosi:
Conspiracy theorist Dr. David Mantik makes much of the fact that Fox showed up with color negatives, rather than color transparencies, pointing out that only color transparencies were exposed at the autopsy. Mantik then erroneously reports that “only color transparencies exist in the Archives today—there are no color negatives” (David W. Mantik, “Paradoxes of the JFK Assassination: The Medical Evidence Decoded,” in Fetzer, Murder in Dealey Plaza, p.241). However, the 1966 inventory clearly lists numerous color negatives among the autopsy materials (ARRB MD 13, “Report of Inspection by Naval Medical Staff on November 1, 1966 at National Archives of X-Rays and Photographs of Autopsy of President John F. Kennedy,” November 1, 1966, pp.7–10), the same negatives noted by the Clark Panel in 1968 and the HSCA in 1978 (7 HSCA 46–47). These color negatives are, of course, the internegatives (i.e., a negative created from slide or transparency film in order to produce photographic prints) created by Fox on November 27, 1963.
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Yes, it would seem that the color negatives in the official collection are just copies of the color positives. The issue would probably seem settled enough to not bother asking somebody with access to the autopsy photos to go back and check that the negatives are identical to the positives.
The source of confusion is that two witnesses - Robert Knudsen and Saundra Spencer - explicitly denied seeing any color positive film when they were at the NPC.
Spencer claimed that the white house lab was incapable of developing color positive film.
I am aware of no witness that specifically describes the making of color negatives by copying from a color positive.
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Here's why I'm confused - A memo from James Fox, dated 2/16/1967, reads “... On November 27th, 1963, I was instructed by my supervisor, SAIC Robert I. Bouck, Protective Research Section, to make arrangements with the Naval Processing Center located in Anacostia to have processed both black and white negatives and color positives made during the autopsy of President John F. Kennedy at the Bethesda Naval Hospital” (ARRB MD 121), And a 2/23/1967 statement, signed by Roy Kellerman, Fox, Bouck, Bouck's secretary Edith Duncan, and Assistant Director for the Secret Service Thomas J. Kelley, reads “...The black and white film was processed, black and white negatives were developed, and color positives were made from the colored film. ” (ARRB MD 122). When Robert Knudsen talked to the HSCA, he said that only black and white and color negative film was involved, no color positive. Saundra Spencer told the ARRB that there was only color negative film involved, and that she didn't think the room she was in charge of (the White House laboratory) had the capability of processing color negative film.
What happened here?
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17 minutes ago, Jean Paul Ceulemans said:
I think you are referring to the Ilfochrome process (also commonly known as Cibachrome, Ciba took over Ilford in the late 1960's I believe)
From : http://www.photomemorabilia.co.uk/Ilford/Chronology.html
...the year of 1953 saw the launch of a service to provide colour prints from transparencies, both from Ilford's Colour "D" transparency film (launched in 1948) and also from Kodachrome. This was the operation that Jack Coote had been hired to manage (see 1952 'slot', above) and was based in Richmond (Surrey, UK). Ciba independently chose to use the same process to formulate the eventual industry leading Cibachrome process. Cibachrome enabled professionals and home workers to make excellent colour prints directly from colour transparencies....
When it says "prints", does that mean a frame of negative film made by copying a piece of positive film?
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From John Stringer's ARRB deposition: https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/stringer.htm
Q: In autopsy photography, did you ever use color negative film around 1963?
A: I don't think so.
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Q: Mr. Stringer, are you able to determine whether the negatives that are below each of the positive transparencies are internegatives taken from the positive transparencies?
A: I think they are.
Q: Is there any question in your mind whether the negative - the color negatives might have been the camera originals that you took on November 22nd? Right now, again, speaking of the color negatives.
A: Color negatives?
Q: Yes.
A: That they were taken at the time of the autopsy?
Q: Could those have been camera originals?
A: I don't think so.
"internegative" means copy.
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It is possible to take a piece of color positive transparency film and make a copy of it in the form of a piece of color negative film, but I can't find any witness specifically described doing this (Robert Bouck, James Fox, Robert Knudsen, Vincent Madonia, Saundra Spencer).
Could all of the color negative film in the official collection of autopsy photos just be copies made from color positive film?
Is there any acknowledgement of this in any source I'm missing? The Sibert and O'Neill report lists "22 4 X 5 color photographs", but the official collection has over 40 total pieces of both positive and negative color film (excluding the later brain photos). So are all of the negatives somehow just copies of the positives? I don't remember seeing any source that bothers to explain how 22 pieces of color film became over 40. Can somebody like Mantik with access to the official autopsy photos confirm whether the images on the negatives are identical to the images on the positives?
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What about that quote from Josiah Thompson's 2003 presentation from a nurse who said "I wish they would stop putting bullets on these stretchers"?
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On 3/13/2013 at 10:45 AM, Josiah Thompson said:
Sorry this isn't the right thread, but was there anything to the alleged quote I think you mentioned in an old presentation where a nurse had apparently complained "I wish they would stop putting bullets on these stretchers"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oolUozA1Crw&t=27m14s
Does your new book contain anything about this?
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There is value in citing secondary sources that discuss primary sources - secondary sources can be used to show that a discussion exists, not whether the points being made are correct.
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On 11/14/2021 at 10:28 AM, Micah Mileto said:
Do you or does anybody have the following document digitized:
House Select Committee witness Jim Gochenaur to interviewer Bob Kelley on Gochenaur's conversations with Secret Service agent Elmer Moore. Notes by Bob Kelley on June 6, 1975; pp. 3-4. JFK Record Number 157-10005-10280
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1uQkTxVu2AIU6XVCNNVN77o2saQSqg5w_
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What? I remember a thread here where they were talking about a man seen leaving the building, and there was speculation that he was a conspirator.
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What about the issue in the RFK assassination where the neck bullet was reportedly changed from having the initials TN31 to TNDW?
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Prouty may be trash, at least he's not Rob Clark's interview with Joan Mellen!
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Any chance of a simple mercury test on Dr. McClelland's bloody apron?
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4 minutes ago, David Von Pein said:
Lol, I remember you saying "The Elmer Todd initials MUST be on the bullet somewhere" and everybody was saying you're in denial
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Hopefully by 2023 we can also have all of Harrison Livingstone's medical tapes released. Tape deteriorates quick too.
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Is there any chance there could be a similar problem with other instances in the case where it has been claimed that initials are missing from slugs or shell casings?
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On 6/17/2022 at 8:54 AM, Gary Murr said:
Hello Pat:
Understandably I have been following this thread with some interest and appreciate not only your even-handed responses but also all comments generated by those who have an opinion on this subject matter. Yes, we all make mistakes/errors and it is only through an understanding and where applicable revelation and correction of errors that the case will ever move forward. Given that you believe the Todd "ET is not a recent addition" I would like your opinion on the comparative black and white photographs I present on the document attached herein. This image is from a previously unprinted FBI lab generated 4 X 5 view camera negative discovered by John Hunt at NARA.
These are photos of the bullet before some of the metal was taken away for lab tests? Wow.
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I found one generic diagram where I could only get it to 21 degrees minimum without crossing through the spine:
https://i.imgur.com/cl5dcYT.jpg
But again, the most valuable experimental evidence would be on patients with a physique similar to JFK, and we have x-rays of JFK to compare them to. We do not know exactly how large JFK's spine was, but nobody has ever tried making precise measurements from the existent x-rays.
Is this image a decent demonstration, though?
Dealey Plaza UK
in JFK Assassination Debate
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No, Bart Kamp has Livingstone's audio recordings of interviews with people like Humes, Boswell, etc.