Michael Clark

Paul Trejo wrote: "Jim Garrison learned from Jack S. Martin almost everything he knew about the JFK assassination". Spartacus: "On 25th November, Martin was contacted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. He told them that he thought Ferrie had hypnotized Oswald into assassinating Kennedy." I see no reason why Martin would have told the FBI this, but would not tell Garrison. Where the "hypnosis" thing comes from, I don't know; but Martin knew of the LHO connection to Dallas hit on JFK. Bannister and his partner, Carlos Marcello are implicated by all this, IMO. Cheers, Michael

The FBI interviewed Martin on 11-25. Garrison became involved as the DA investigating the pistol whipping. My sources aren't showing when Garrison got the JFKA lead; still looking. Bannister died n June 6th. Jack Martin's details and date of death are, for me, always difficult to dig-up. from Spartacus.... "On 25th November, Martin was contacted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. He told them that he thought Ferrie had hypnotized Oswald into assassinating Kennedy. The FBI considered Martin's evidence unreliable and decided not to investigate Banister and Ferrie. This information eventually reached Jim Garrison, the district attorney of New Orleans. He interviewed Martin about these accusations. Martin claimed that during the summer of 1963 Banister and David Ferrie were involved in something very sinister with a group of Cuban exiles."

I'll dig up details, but IIRC, Martin told Garrison of the connection between Ferrie and the 11-22 Dallas hit.

Garrison had things traced to Dallas within days of the assassination due to the pistol whipping of Jack Martin by Bannister on 11-22. Garrison stood down in deference to the announcement of the formation of the Warren Comission.

I am not seeing a plot masterminded by Walker, DPD, Birchers, And Minutemen, that happens to reach out to 544 Camp St, N.O.L.A, and Guy Banister, snagging LHO; but it has nothing to do with the Mafia, O.N.I, CIA, and commercial shipping interests; and Jim Garrison was completely wrong about his Clay Shaw Case. Cheers, Michael

Yes Paul, it is the recent threads about the "Colonels" that are informing some of my posts in this thread. Cheers, Michael

I have looked for, but cannot find where I read this, but it was said that General Walker did not associate, socially, with any of his fellow officers while in Germany. Attending socal functions with other military brass was important and necessary to being accepted and trusted. Add to that the belief that he was a homosexual. He was later charged twice and convicted once for lewd acts, at least one of those acts being homosexual in nature. While I am not calling "sin", in his circles, and during his time, this is probably Walkers biggest transgression, or what Paul refers to as a figurative "sin". Cheers, Michael

I don't think he was going to get out of Dodge, no-way, no-how. Presuming he did get safely to Washington, I can't see their being enough unanimity amongst military line and staff, to try to force a bloody military coup in Washington. I have to think that a Texas cessation might have been part of a plan D, E, F, G........ LBJ could not have returned to Washington, and he may have been very close to meeting his demise that day. Cheers, Michael

Paul, It is hardly a misreading. A reader would be hard-pressed to come up with your latter interpretation. You wrote: "When Eisenhower rejected Walker's resignation, but instead gave him a command over thousands of troops in Augsburg, Germany, Walker accepted the position -- his biggest promotion ever -- on the secret condition that he would promote JBS literature to his troops." Cheers, Michael

Thanks for the input Ron, I don't see how the ambush, as it shook-out, could have been counted-on to be 100% successful. In particular, being able to blame a single shooter could have easily been thwarted. Let's say that Jackie or Connally reacted quickly to the shots and pulled JFK down. More firepower would have had to be brought to bear on the limo, making a conspiracy undeniable. A move by JFK to protect Jackie and himself could have demanded more shots that would have revealed a conspiracy. Civilians might have caught wind of the plot, or seen shooters and acted to thwart the plot. A couple plot-traitors could have acted to thwart it. I just can't see the planners ignoring the possibility of having to face a fact of conspiracy, outright, nor being able do discount the possibility of having to throw in a significantly larger group to finish the job. In the event of a mild wounding, or complete miss on JFK, I could see an abort made of further immediate attempts at assassinating him. Then, a lone nut, or a couple conspirators could be cornered and eliminated. What I do think is that it was an all-in situation. If it could be done with a lone-nut, or small group of criminal plotters, that would be preferable. A more reckless, aggressive follow-up had to be in place, again implicaring a smallish group. But even that could fail, and we enter the realm of a military operation of anywhere from a smaller to larger group, and a spread to a regional or nationwide action had to be anticipated. It certainly sounds liked fiction, but if I am right and there were commanders-in-the-know, in charge of military units that were ostensibly on or en-route to training or other legitimate operations, that could be brought to bear quickly, then those preparations may have left their mark in the records, or on the memories of servicemen who, like everyone else, remembers where they were on that day. Those are pieces of evidence that, plausibly, could still be detected. Cheers, Michael

If it was a .22 caliber plinking gun, maybe; not a 6.5 mm high-powered military rifle. I recall Marina saying he would go to the park and shoot leaves..... pffffft! I can't believe that George would let Jeanne say something like that. Cheers, Michael

I am in way over my head, but following what I understand from Newman's WWIII Virus seminar, Angleton could have produced or suppressed what was needed to steer things as events unfolded. Cheers, Michael

Risk of Nuclear War over Cuba?

It seems to me that their could be no possible failure to kill JFK in Texas on 11-22-63. There had to be a back-up plan, or several. There would be no way to guarantee that things would go as smoothly as they did that day. It seems that back-up plans would have had to have gone from the simple sniper attack, to a more reckless follow-up, to as far as a widespread bloody coup, with contingencies for the spread of resistance nationwide. I have not seen this topic covered elsewhere, and I wrote the following passage on another thread, but it inclined to off-topic on that thread. So I'll post it here and see what people know or think about this subject...... This was originally written in regards to the mystery of the blonde Oswald photographic evidence in Mexico City. ..................... Hypothesizing. I hope it is welcome. As it turned-out, JFK was killed by a nutter, LBJ was saved and controlled, and the MIC got it's war in Vietnam, TFX contracts, etc. If the Dealy ambush failed or was aborted, there would have been a more reckless back-up attempt, by Cubans who would have died, on the way to the Trade-Mart or in their escape from Dealy Plaza. Those Cubans would have been identified as Communists (with Cubans in Dealy as well); and the MIC, the Mafia and anti-Castro Cubans would have had their war in Cuba, casinos, and natural resources, whether JFK survived or not; and they may or may not have got the Vietnam War. Other wars in the Caribbean, Central and South America would have now been on the plate. The LHO Mexico City impersonator consulate photos could have been part of the backup plan to frame LHO as pro-Castro, in a conspiracy, in order to justify a Cuban war. The Vietnam War was far lower risk because their would be no nukes, and the Mafia would get stiffed and that dirty angle would never be realized. As it was, the Cuban/Communist connection was to be denied because it was not needed, so the garbage LHO MC ID and photos were sent up the chain. Its all kind of an alternative to Operation Northwoods. Cheers, Michael *** edit *** I just found this thread. Same basic question: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?/topic/10115-were-there-contingency-plans-if-the-dealey-plaza-ambush-failed/&page=2

I agree, but he is, looks, or could be made to be Russian, putting Russia in a defensive and unjustified position if an invasion of Cuba came to be. Cheers, Michael

Hypothesizing David. I hope it is welcome. As it turned-out, JFK was killed by a nutter, LBJ was saved and controlled. the MIC got its war in Vietnam, TFX contracts, etc. If the Dealy ambush failed or was aborted, there would have been a more reckless back-up attempt, by Cubans who would have died, on the way to the Trade-Mart or escape from Dealy Plaza. Those Cubans would have been identified as Communists (with Cubans in Dealy as well), and the MIC, the Mafia and anti-Castro Cubans would have had their war in Cuba, casinos and natural resources, whether JFK survived or not; and they may or may not have got the Vietnam War. Other wars in the Caribbean, Central and South America would have now been on the plate. LHO's consulate pics could have been part of the backup plan to frame LHO as pro-Castro, in a conspiracy, in order to justify a Cuban war. The Vietnam War was far lower risk because their would be no nukes, and the Mafia would get stiffed and that dirty angle never realized. As it was, the Cuban connection was to be denied because it was not needed, so the garbage LHO MC ID was sent up the chain. Its all kind of an alternative to Operation Northwoods. Cheers, Michael

George De Mohrenschildt?

One thing that keeps the Harvey-Lee thing open as a possibility, for me, is that one of them was un-affected, it seems. What I mean is that The DPD LHO seemed to have something odd about him, something like Asperger's, which ultimately made him expendable. One of them was more of a ladies man, a little rougher around the edges, and might have pulled off something like bedding Sylvia Duran, while there. I am not sure that the DPD LHO had that in him. Cheers, Michael

Not to sound like a wise-guy, but, LHO could have been in MC and still have been impersonated at the consulates.

The problem is PT's overstatement of frequency, duration, severity and number of witnesses. That is how this pro-longed debate is being fueled.

CIA claimed they had photos and thought that would be the end of it? Photos were of Harvey Lee or other double? Then when asked to produce them they did not want to blow their impersonation game and the cover of the impersonator? The CIA then just sent them garbage without explanation? Cheers, Michael

Thanks George, I am not finding a good overhead map with Z frames, but I'll keep an eye out. This link is to forum page.... the 7th post down has a good plot for a Dal-Tex/tague-curb trajectory. Cheers, Michael

Ironically, the upper body-posture of mystery man is uncannily similar to that of Prayer-man. That's something that I noticed a while ago, I just felt like noting it finally. Cheers, Michael

The testimony of spousal abuse is being used to prosecute a dead man who was denied an opportunity to defend himself from the accusation that he killed the president. It's a non sequitor, a fallacy. Judge: Mr. Clark, did you rob the bank? Mr. Clark: No. Judge: Yet, I see that you were born in July. Thus I find you guilty. Mr Clark: Damn, that bites. Cheers, Michael

George, when I do that I don't get a line to the TSBD. I get a line to the Dal-Tex bldg. Of course, my methods are not particularly sophisticated, so I am open to suggestions. Cheers, Michael