Michael Clark

Bill Miller Wrote: "Now earlier Michael Clark mentioned the image I posted was Lovelady on the steps. However, the face was not Lovelady's, but instead belonged to the little girl seen in this film capture as she stood even closer to the camera than Washout Man had (see below)------ That's right! I took this little girl's degraded facial image and placed it onto the face of what has been described as Billy Lovelady's. I have repeatedly explained how unreliable those types of images are and all I heard was more rhetoric about how ever more a few here were convinced this person was Billy Lovelady. This little girl appears to have a receding hairline as well from her face being washed out. Then came T Graves asking about what other people had a hairline like Lovelady's as if he had just come out of a long coma because I had posted those images several times in recent times. One being the man walking with the Shelley hairdo guy who not only has Lovelady's receding hairline, but his plaid shirt and bald spot which Bart Kamp pointed out some time ago. 'What individuals had Lovelady's hairline?' That question was a real hoot - it was!!!" ---------------------------- ---------------------------- This thread has how many pages over how many days, with how many iterations of that pic, and the same person? And we're confused about what pic and which person I was referring to? Its just a reinforcement of my inclination to stay out of photo analysis pics. Cheers, Michael

Tom and Joe, Here is more on Jack Lawrence http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?/topic/4187-jack-lawrence/

"For years after that they still pestered him (Lovelady)" It doesn't seem likely that they would pester him for years because they thought he was involved in the assassination. It seems more likely that they wanted him to keep his story straight as a witness. Cheers, Michael

Interesting account of Lovelady by a relative.

I have sharp eyes, but I'm not a photo analysis expert. I stay away from these debates, generally. I was just giving my 2 cents, since you asked. Cheers, Michael

It's definitely Bill Lovelady. I don't understand where the confusion comes from.

Ok guys, instead of picking on the funny accent of a suburban upstate New Yorker, who didn't grow-up around guns, can you speak to my point about a round-nosed bullet being an "odd-ball" round (or should I say "Aught-ball" )? That was my point and, as I said, I'm no expert. Cheers, Michael

Priceless.....

Roger that sir. It does sound like you believe that CE399 was fired at JFK and was barely, if at all, damaged (pristine). Cheers, Michael

I guess it's just a matter of where one is with their theory. The WC says it fell out of Connally's leg. It sounds like you would say that CE399 never got as far as Connally. I would say that no one fired the Mainlicher Carcano at the motorcade. Cheers, Michael

A relevant thread: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?/topic/18625-ce-573-walker-bullet-not-the-real-bullet/&page=2

Thanks, I am only going by how people speak the term. When I lived in a Vermont, I heard the "Aught". Here in NY I hear "odd" more often. To be sure, I am not frequently around a lot of gun owners and enthusiasts. Cheers, Michael

He is not in very good form here, IMO. Hindsight is 20/20 but it looks like he is a bit nervous on 11-14-63.

William F. Buckley??? edited****

When I was in the market for a hunting rifle (ultimately buying a 30-06), I was curious as to what the oft-called "thirty-odd-six" meant; I wanted to know why it was referred to as such. I quickly found-out that the designation referred to "30'caliber, 1906". I never found-out why the word "odd" was used, but I don't think that is relevant. The 30-06 round superseded the 30-03 round of 1903; a very short life for a military round. For the purpose of this post I am just going to focus on the shape of the different bullets, the rounded 30-03 bullet vs. the pointed 30-06 "spitzer" bullet. I read that that the change to the pointed bullet was the result of a technological breakthrough that made the manufacture of the pointed round less expensive and troublesome; the knowledge of the desirability in ballistic characteristics of the pointed round having been known some time before. The technological manufacturing breakthrough is not often noted when looking into this and the improved ballistics are more often cited for the reason for the change in 1906. It is often said that that the change or choice to or from a round to a pointed bullet has to do with the characteristics of the wounds inflicted by either round and what kind of wounds were desired on the battlefield. I don't believe that this is the case. I believe that the Italian armaments were simply tooled-up for their round nosed bullets and rifles, and that they were simply behind the times throuought the manufacturing life of the 6.5mm MC rifle and cartridge. The point is that the round-nosed bullet was an odd-duck by the time someone bought that MC rifle as that weapon of choice for Alek Hidell. As long as no identifiable bullets of fragments of bullets were found in the victims, the car, or elsewhere, the planting of a 6.5 mm MC round, somewhere, would narrow the scope of any investigation and field of possible perpetrators and weapons. A pointed 30-06 round, or any other pointed round, if still identifiable, would leave a much larger range of possible weapons as being suspected in the assassination. (Regardless of what Rachel Maddow reports below). To me, this explains why several weapons were reported to have been found. Once it was clear that no identifiable, pointed Spitzer rounds were going to be recovered, all that had to be done was to get a 6.5mm round planted, and get an Alek Hidell library card to the appointed patzy. Perhaps, LHO thought he was delivering that card to someone else, as he made his way around Dallas after the shooting, or to the Texas Theater; perhaps he was duped. (Edit: I thought there was a non-photo Hidell card, but I don't see one. The point remains that a Hidell card could place blame on anyone with such a card). I'm no expert on this stuff, but I have not seen some of my above points having been made before; so I thought I would offer them up. Cheers, Michael

LHO was accused of many things. This could very well be one of those quick-mart sandwiches which, after you buy it, get back on the road, and unwrap it, proves to have only a lame slice of bologna in it. I'm not buying the sandwich. Cheers, Michael

I want to say 1992??? I think JFK, the movie, just came out. Cheers, Michael

I noted that Landsdale's name was stepped-on, so to speak, by a glitch in the audio of the first video.

The Honolulu Conference of 11-20-63 has recently piqued my interest. It does not seem to have it's own thread. I thought I would open this thread up for info and debate. I don't have much to bring to the table. Atttached is a screen shot from a Fletcher Prouty video which I will link later. Here is a link to a related EF thread. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?/topic/16854-nsam-273/&page=2 Cheers, Mike

Glenn, Prouty mentions both of those things in the posted video. In terms of blaming Bundy for that critical call to not hit the last three Cuban jets, I am looking for other sources that can substantiate Bundy's authority, autonomy and responsibility for that call, apart from Prouty. Interestingly, Prouty's video has some tantalizing info on the Honolulu conference;' just enough to make you want more. I am just now reading about Bundy's very suspect part in processing the Presidential directives that called for deescalation of the war and then the reescalation of the war prior to, and after the assassination, respectively. (these directives are called NSAM's. I didn't want to throw around this nomenclature in my paragraph above because I am thoroughly unfamiliar with it all. I don't want to come-off otherwise. I am digging in now) Cheers, Michael

One thing I would like to verify is if McGeorge Bundy can be fairly blamed for the call to not hit the last three Cuban jets until an airstrip was captured. Is he a fall guy for JFK? Would he or could he have made that call on a critical departure from the plan? Cheers, Michael

To be sure, I was saying that I hope you got a chuckle out of my "cantankerous DVP at the grocery store" sketch. Cheers, Michael