Michael Clark

When I was in college there was a Professor of Philosophy named Robert Garvin. If you were a student in the Humanities, you had hear of him. If it was anywhere near your alley of study, you had to take one of his classes. I took several. That experience with language was one that I could not imagine before attending, and it is one which I imagine that I will never again experience. While the power of his teachings are beyond my poor-power to add or detract, one particular concept was left embedded in my experience. I'll try to relate that teaching here, watered-down and as unsophisticated as I am able. The infinite qualifies the finite. Good defines evil. Suffering is meaningless without prosperity. And so on, and so on, and so on. The human emotion, quality and distinct experience of love is defined by everything that threatens it. So yes, we have criminals and murderers and all sorts of people capable of unmentionable acts to thank for the experiences that we cherish and yearn-for. If we did not have to protect and look out for our mate and our offspring, we would be no different than a snake which gives birth to a live brood and slithers away. What fun would that be? Cheers, Michael PS I am not trying to get away with the obvious quote-theft, above. I'll leave it unattributed as a little nugget to be discovered by a reader. ***edit 4-6-17***: I learned that my beloved Professor Garvin passed away last year.... http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/timesunion-albany/obituary.aspx?pid=180699296

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Paul, it's clear that you are aware of the facts. In fact, your above post, to some extent, truncated my search. Cheers, Michael

I am curious. James, your reference to Mr. dunne's presence was a bit cryptic, and I find little new info on him. Will you elaborate?

Ten years, worthy of a bump.

Paul, you ask a few questions above. I have no problem answering them. However, that is all off topic for this thread. Cheers, Michael

Your repeating a latter day Novella. If you were repeating the WC Testimony it would look like this: Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes, yes, yes, yes; that is right. How could I have--my recollections are vague, of course, but how could I have said that when I didn't know that he had a gun you see. I was standing there and then Jeanne told us or Marina, you know, the incident just as I have described it, that here is a gun, you see. I remember very distinctly saying, "Did you take the potshot at General Walker?" ------------------- And any contradictions should be noted, and it would look like this: Mrs. OSWALD. By the way, several days after that, the De Mohrenschildts came to us, and as soon as he opened the door he said, "Lee, how is it possible that you missed?" ----------------------- So Paul, This thread is about witnesses to LHO's possession of a rifle. You are presenting fictionalized accounts and partial truths with a non-critical approach. According to testimony, Marina saw the gun. Marina denies that she showed Jeanne the gun, but Jeanne says that Marina did. That's it! One person! One person who was under threat of deportation, had just been given a boat-load of cash, and acquiesced to throwing her dead husband under the bus. Cheers, Michael

The WC testimony is an historical document. It was created to cover the trail of the assassins. George De Mohrenshildts later "Drama" is used to further convict LHO, and cover the trail of the assassins. Using The WC testimony is appropriate, however you want to argue. Using the latter day fiction of George De Mohrenschildt to exonerate him, while convicting Oswald, is dubious. Posing fiction as fact, and purporting to be a researcher is lower than dubious. Cheers, Michael

Paul Trejo wrote: "Instantly after Jeanne "found" the Oswald rifle and shouted it out to George, George DM asked Lee Oswald, "Lee, did you take that potshot at General Walker?" Mr. JENNER. All right. Now, then, what did you do? Go into some other part of the house? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. It wasn't very much. I believe it was only two rooms. And then I returned back, and told George do you know what they have in the closet? I came back to the room, where George and Lee were sitting and talking. I said, do you know what they have in the closet? A rifle. And started to laugh about it. And George, of course, with his sense of humor--Walker was shot at a few days ago, within that time. He said, "Did you take a pot shot at Walker by any chance?"

Paul, what about the prior drama, in the prior sentence: "George kept LHO busy in one room chatting, as Jeanne nervously searched for clues from room to room. When she finally found LHO's rifle, she shouted out -- "He has a rifle!" ---------------------- Marina was showing Jeanne around the house. Jeanne wasn't sneaking around, playing detective while the other three were in the living room. Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. And I believe from what I remember George sat down on the sofa and started talking to Lee, and Marina was showing me the house that is why I said it looks like it was the first time, because why would she show me the house if I had been there before? Then we went to another room, and she opens the closet, and I see the gun standing there. I said, what is the gun doing over there? Mr. JENNER. You say--- Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. A rifle. Mr. JENNER. A rifle, in the closet? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. In the closet, right in the beginning. It wasn't hidden or anything. Mr. JENNER. Standing up on its butt? Mrs. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. Cheers, Michael

Paul Trejo wrote: "George kept LHO busy in one room chatting, as Jeanne nervously searched for clues from room to room. When she finally found LHO's rifle, she shouted out -- "He has a rifle!" ---------------------- Marina was showing Jeanne around the apartment and opened the door to the closet, showing Jeanne the rifle. That's what testimony says. It may not have happened at all. Why create fiction out of potential fiction? Paul, I don't know what to say.

On October 19, 2015, Paul Trejo wrote: "George kept LHO busy in one room chatting, as Jeanne nervously searched for clues from room to room. When she finally found LHO's rifle, she shouted out -- "He has a rifle!" They all went over to see what Jeanne was looking at. There was a nervous silence, and then George broke the silence with a joke, that was already on his mind: "Lee, did you take that pot shot on General Walker?" There was an even more deafening silence. Lee looked at Marina, wondering if she had said anything -- and Marina looked at Lee, wondering if he had said anything. They were both puzzled, and then George burst out laughing! And then Marina laughed, and then Lee laughed. Jeanne didn't laugh, she told the WC, but George thought that she laughed, too. Anyway, that was the end of the evening. The DM's said goodnight and they left -- and they never saw the Oswald's ever again." --Paul Trejo Edited October 21, 2015 by Paul Trejo ------------------------- Paul, you have been implying and stating that George De Mohrenschildt SAW the gun. Quote

On 2/22/2017 at 8:36 PM, Michael Clark said: To be sure, George De Mohrenschildt DID NOT see the rifle. ----------------------- Mr. JENNER. Did you see the weapon? Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. I did not see the weapon. Jeanne De Mohrenschildt testified that Marina showed her the rifle but Marina never confirmed this in her testimony, and that could have easily been clarified. Cheers, Michael --------------------------- -------------------------- On Wednesday, February 22, Paul Trejo wrote: Michael, I didn't say that George De Mohrenschildt saw the rifle -- I said he was a witness -- in this case, an ear witness. That is, when his wife, Jeanne De Mohrenschildt saw Oswald's rifle, she let out a shriek and shouted out, "George, he has a rifle!" -------------------------- Regards, --Paul Trejo ---------------------------- ---------------------------- Paul, Throughout your postings you claim that George De Mohrenschildt SAW the gun. When pointed-out that that was incorrect, you stated that you were referring to him as an"ear-witness". From the above it is clear that you are making claims that he actually SAW the gun. Its ust not right that you do that when you know better. You are a prolific poster and are filling the pages of this forum with a fiction that is critical to factual record. WC testimony is that Marina states that she saw the gun. Jeanne De Mohrenschildt states that Marina showed it to her. George De Mohrenschildt states that he did not see the gun. Marina does not back-up Jeanne's claim that she (Jeanne) was shown the gun. That leaves one woman, who by her own testimony, could not tell a shotgun form a rifle, bolt-action from pump or lever action; much less a high powered rifle from a .22. It also leaves us with another woman, with similar knowledge of guns, although she had shot skeet before, saying that a woman showed her the gun and that other woman does not claim to have done so. Michael

Occam's Razor... It is not always an I'll-advised or disreputable approach. Cheers, Michael

Imperator Caesar Divi Filius Augustus. AKA Octavian, and simply Augustus. I think that, with a little bit of fresh information, a little bit of disinformation, a few outright lies, threats, predictions and a couple of crude scientific experiments, the world could be very awesome place by now.

Paul, I like this place and the people in it. I like to treat it like my living room or dinner table. I know we are all virtual strangers but I don't want to see it turn out like the comments area of youtube or your typical news article. I kind of think of it as the Senate as opposed to the House. It's kind of unique among Internet forums. Cheers, Mike

To be sure, George De Mohrenschildt DID NOT see the rifle. -----------------------Mr. JENNER. Did you see the weapon?Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. I did not see the weapon. Jeanne De Mohrenschildt testified that Marina showed her the rifle but Marina never confirmed this in her testimony, and that could have easily been clarified. Cheers, Michael

I opened my yapper about abortion. I thought better of it before anyone quote/replied to it, and destroyed the evidence.

I just came across this and figured I would post it here. I am sure Y'all "already knew that".... 38) Peggy Joyce Hawkins---she was on the front steps of the TSBD and "…estimated that the President's car was less than 50 feet away from her when he was shot, that the car slowed down almost coming to a full stop." [Murder From Within by Fred Newcomb & Perry Adams (1974), p. 97]; 39) Billy Lovelady---"I recall that following the shooting, I ran toward the spot where President Kennedy's car had stopped." [22 H 662];

Who knows what LHO really said about the rods. If he did bring them, he may have suspected something, and made sure that his package couldn't be construed as being long enough to disguise a gun. And like you said, he may have been manipulated into bring something else to work that day.

I'll have to look-into whether Lee's rooming-house lady testified to when Lee came and went, or whether he stayed elsewhere overnight, in the days prior to 11-22.

Regarding the rods. I won't say that I think he had or did not have curtain rods that day. If he did I think it is reasonable to think that he might have intended to change his Dallas residence that weekend, or possibly take an additional residence or rooming house. Maybe he had a girl on the side, in-town (spy-girl: "baby, I have some curtains for that window, you wouldn't have some curtain rods lying around at home, would you?). A new or alternative residence could be possible given that he almost assuredly was involved in something beyond his plain-Jane, struggling, below-blue-collar life. Frazier's subsequent life is kind of difficult to dig up. I found info before but cannot find it now. I believe he had a fairly long career in the military and raised two kids. That may have been enough to control, keep watch and keep him quiet about particular elements of his story. When I read testimony I am often struck by how some witnesses bring a couple nuggets to the official story but otherwise bring nothing, and indeed raise questions. That would serve to keep a story short, sweet, memorable and uncomplicated. Fraziers nuggets were the bag, curtain rods and nothing conflicting with the official line regarding LHO's presence at the time of the assassination. After LHO was convicted by the police and press, THEN shot, all else is self preservation for Frazier.

A good article regarding the rifle, the dimensions and components of the rifle when broken down, the bag, Frazier's testimony and his sister's testimony. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=16234#relPageId=34&tab=page