Michael Clark

As an academic exercise, I peresume that I am being lied to and then look to see if the alternatives, and the consequent outcomes of an event like 9-11 can support the hypothesis that I was being lied-to. Between the wars that followed and the Patriot Act, and especially the Iraq invasion, I continued to believe that 9-11 was a lie. There was, for some time however, too much noise and too many distractions and unbelievable theories for me to really get my head around the whole operation. When, almost simultaneously, a boss and a bartender, two very smart and level headed people, mentioned WT7, and I looked into it, did I really have to face that these building were intentionally brought down. Also, some inside information was shared with me, stored with me really; it was that in the weeks leading up to 9-11, all of the NYS Dept of Tax and Finance information that had been sequestered for a myriad of cases against major financial firms and individuals, by the NYS Attorney General’s Office for prosecution in NYC, were transferred to and subsequently lost in the WTC. I remember all of those cases; it was in the news every day and it was huge and hot. All those cases just evaporated after 9-11. That story is, those cases, are for anyone to look into in NY newspapers. I don’t mean that the document transfer and loss story is there, that has never been told, at least to my knowledge. I mean the news about those cases are all there as a matter of historical record, and the evaporation of those cases is evident. That untold story explains why such a reckless, massive attack, involving the deaths of so many, in midtown Manhattan, had to occur. There were many ways to foment war. Destroying the WTC served several purposes and it was big, bold, and brash enough that it was very very difficult for the vast majority of people to second guess the official line. A Gulf of Tonkin would not cut it and it would not end the State of NY prosecutions against many rich and powerful people and organizations.

Since this has been bumped I’ll mention this. I am surprised that no one has brought it up, so I take that as an indicator as to how much faith members put into the following claim.. Last year, @William Plumlee revealed, after receiving the consent of St. John Hunt, that Howard Hunt was a passenger on the plane in which Tosh William Plumlee arrived in Dallas on the morning of the assassination, as a member of an assassination abort team. I may have taken a pass on mentioning it but I was astonished to see, while rereading this thread, just now, that @Shanet Clark, of whom I have always thought highly, speculated that Howard Hunt was a South Knoll Shooter 15 years ago.

What if everyone did as you are doing? A day by day, two sentence recap of a book, the value of which is yet to be determined. It works, I guess; if you are needy for attention and want to see your thread and your mug on the front page of the forum. Do you see other members do what you are doing? No. There is a good reason for that. I would expect someone to read a book, determine it’s value, and, if it is worthwhile, do a proper review and explain why it is of value.

Ron bumped an important topic. @Jim Harwood wants to make every thread into a “The British Empire dunnit” thread. Jim, you hijack every thread that you touch.

Yeah, I am thinking that AID is just “CIA Lite”. It’s like saying that Earle Cabell, Mayor of Dallas, was just the Mayor, and the fact that his brother, Charles Cabell, was Deputy Director of the CIA is of no consequence. Add the fact that their brother (former Dallas Mayor, IRRC) died in March of 64, and we have, of course, just another insignificant consequence. @Lance Payette What do you think about brothers offing a brother, because, you know, you just sort-of have-to. Why do I get the feeling that the offed Cabell brother was probably the good, smart, loyal one, kind of like Jeb; maybe? To be sure, when I say “Loyal”, I mean loyal to, well, you know, loyal to good things and people.

Sorry, LBJ recording. I’ll edit my post.

It’s a recording, I think on the 23rd, maybe late on the 22nd. Hoover is giving an early report of a dead SSA or cop, in Dealy Plaza. I may have even saved it, iPad to iPhone, voice memo. I’ll check. To be sure it will/would be a YouTube video recorded to an iPhone.

Having said that,... I can’t find it. Digging...

Hoover is recorded on an LBJ recording saying a cop or secret service agent (can’t remember which) was killed near the TSBD. It’s easily locatable on YouTube. Edit, typo. LBJ for JBJ

Don’t you have bio? Aren’t we all supposed to have a bio?

I am still wondering if your the same ex-CIA agent, named Rich Pope, who had a secret box of LBJ-JFK assassination evidence and who’s father installed the phone system at the LBJ ranch. If you are, isn’t this your third profile, along with the alias Amadeus Sitchin, who, along with Rich-with-the-box, disappeared, with all his posts, in March? What is the story?

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/forum/272-jfk-book-discussions/

Awesome Steve. Thanks for filling that out. And it looks like Paul Trejo actually had it correct. ........ Warren Commission testimony of James Hosty: Mr. STERN. Were you told why you were ordered to return to the office? Mr. HOSTY. When I got back they told me they wanted me to start reviewing our flies to see if I could develop any information, any leads at all on the possible assassin, to help out administratively in the office. Mr. STERN. Did the case of Oswald come to your mind at that time? Mr. HOSTY. No, sir. Mr. STERN. As a possible---- Mr. HOSTY. No, sir; it was approximately 1:30 that we got the report that a police officer had been killed in the Oak Cliff area of Dallas, and that the police were surrounding a movie theatre where the suspect was allegedly located. Shortly after 2 o'clock, we received information that this man had been captured and taken to the Dallas Police Department. One of our agents called from the Dallas Police Department and identified this man as Lee Harvey Oswald. I immediately recognized the name. Mr. STERN. What was your reaction? Mr. HOSTY. Shock, complete surprise. Mr. STERN. Because? Mr. HOSTY. I had no reason prior to this time to believe that he was capable or Potentially an assassin of the President of the United States. Mr. STERN. What happened next? ……… Mr. STERN. Were you told anything more about that? Mr. HOSTY. No; I mean this is the point I was given this information. I then went and got a car and drove to the Dallas Police Department, pulled my car into the basement garage of the Dallas Police Department, parked my car. Mr. STERN. What were conditions like? Mr. HOSTY. Very chaotic. The press was swarming all over the Police station. There were television cameras. being brought into the building. Many people were running, coming and going. The place was a beehive of activity. I parked the car, got out, and started in the door of the basement, at which time I observed a Dallas police car, an unmarked car, drive in, in which there were four detectives. The man sitting on the right-hand side of the front seat next to the driver was a man I recognized as Lieutenant Revill. He signaled me that he wanted to talk to me, at which time he jumped out of the car at the head of the ramp and came over towards me. The rest of the detectives in the ear continued down the ramp to be parked. We then proceeded in, Lieutenant Revill and I proceeded into the police department and started up the stairs. Lieutenant Revill advised me that--I might add he was in a very excited state--he advised me that he had a hot lead, that he had just determined that the only employee from the Texas School Book Depository who could not be accounted for was a man named Lee. Now this conversation took place at approximately 3 p.m., about an hour after Lee Harvey Oswald had been arrested by the Dallas Police Department. I told Lieutenant Revill that Lee Harvey Oswald had been arrested about an hour ago, that he was an employee of the Texas School Book Depository, and that he was the man who had defected to Russia and had returned to the United States in 1962. Now either Lieutenant Revill--I don't recall if he made a statement doubting that Oswald was the one who assassinated the President, or whether it was just a look of doubt on his face, but there was doubt came into Lieutenant Revill's--at this time I stated to him that Lee Oswald was the main suspect in this case. Now this conversation took place running up the stairs from the basement to the third floor. At this time the level of noise was very high. As I said, there were many press representatives, TV representatives, curious bystanders, police officers, everybody running all over the place. It was not too much unlike Grand Central Station at rush hour, maybe like the Yankee Stadium during the world series games, quite noisy. We got to the head of the stairs and I left Lieutenant Revill and went into Captain Fritz' office. Mr. STERN. Was anyone else with you and Lieutenant Revill as you came up the stairs, as you recall? Mr. HOSTY. As I say, the place was swarming with people. Just the two of us were going up the stairs together. My conversation was with Lieutenant Revill only. Mr. STERN. I now show you a document marked for identification Commission 831, a letter dated April 27, 1964, from Director Hoover to Mr. Rankin, the General Counsel of this Commission, having attached a one-page copy of a newspaper article and an affidavit. Do you recognize this letter? Mr. HOSTY. Yes, sir; I do. Mr. STERN. Where have you seen it? Mr. HOSTY. I have seen the file copy of this letter in the FBI flies. Mr. STERN. Do you recognize the newspaper article which is the first attachment to this letter? Mr. HOSTY. Yes, sir. It appeared in the Dallas Morning News on April 24, 1964, I believe. Mr. STERN. And the attachment after this is? Mr. HOSTY. My affidavit. Mr. STERN. Your affidavit of five pages? Mr. HOSTY. Of five pages, bearing my signature. Mr. STERN. Now tell us what the reason for your making this affidavit was. Mr. HOSTY. It was to refute the story that appeared in the Dallas Morning News on April 24, 1964, to set the record straight as to what actually did take place in my conversation with Lieutenant Revill. Mr. STERN. What did that story state? Mr. HOSTY. It stated in substance, alleged that I was aware that Lee Harvey Oswald was capable of assassinating the President of the United States, but did not dream he would do it. Mr. STERN. Did you say that? Mr. HOSTY. No, sir. I want to state for the record at this time that I unequivocally deny ever having made the statement to Lieutenant Revill or to anyone else that, "We knew Lee Harvey Oswald was capable of assassinating the President of the United States, we didn't dream he would do it." I also want to state at this time that I made no statement to Lieutenant Revill or to any other individual at any time that I or anyone else in the FBI knew that Lee Harvey Oswald was capable of assassinating the President of the United States or possessed any potential for violence. Prior to the assassination of the President of the United States, I had no information indicating violence on the part of Lee Harvey Oswald. I wish the record to so read.....

Steve, thanks for directing me to the document. http://www.prayer-man.com/fbi-ss/james-hosty/#lightbox[group]/6/ At first consideration, I would be inclined to think that the “problems between the FBI and the Dallas Police Department for years to come” would revolve around the veracity of the statement itself; ie. that Revill made-up the story, and that Hosty never said this. Would I guess correctly if I wagered that Hosty denied making the statement? I can dig-in, and may do so but I am curious as to the accuracy of my first impression. We are seeing the DPD blaming the FBI for dropping the ball. It seems like something that CIA asset and Mayor, Earle Cabell, brother of Deputy Director of the CIA, Charles Cabell, could have easily set-up the FBI to take the fall for, by seeing to it that the FBI had contact with LHO, prior to the assassination and then making up this story about Hotsy’s statement. Of, course this view is arrived at, 56 years later by someone who sees the plausibility of Hosty finding, believing and then admitting to the DPD that LHO was believed to be a threat at 2:30 PM on 11-22-63, as improbable. Michael

Paul, Would you share a link to that document?

That Rich Pope posted CIA employment documents.

Amadeus Sitchin was the fake account.

The retired CIA officer?

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10172-10207.pdf 741580. Victor Litsky and others...

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10172-10202.pdf 134369 Yevgeniy Petrvich Ivanov

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10172-10202.pdf AESAMSHU Not in MFF

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10172-10192.pdf AESMASH Not in MFF

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10172-10192.pdf 294855 Golytsin

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10172-10100.pdf 251853 AMDENIM-1

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10171-10001.pdf 12 Aug. 63 312732 redacted. Also mentioned: AMWOO-1 Bringuier, Mongo, Jorge Medina AMCLATTER-1