Ron Bulman

A post about the film The American Media and the Second Assassination of JFK being shown in London on another thread in conjunction with reading somewhere also in the last couple of weeks that Cord Meyer was the head of Operation Mockingbird at the time of JFK's assassination it jolted my thoughts. I had never considered the role he might have played in the cover up from the perspective of his being in that position. Working for Helms and Angleton (and still loyal to Dulles?) . The former (still bitter?) husband of JFK's last known paramour tells the National press what it should and shouldn't publish about the assassination through personal contact's and his emissaries in the cia. The thought begs a little delving. So I searched the site for him and came up with this 12/5 year old thread. Not long but historically interesting. Started by Mr. Simkin. Commented on by knowledgeable persons. Abandoned, brought back in 09 by Bill Kelly, abandoned again. Hijacked in 12. Interesting to note it was all written before Mary's Mosaic came out. Some of the conclusions/assumptions are questionable in light of it. Though I realize skulley thoroughly destroyed some aspects of the book afterward. Cord wrote a book about himself. He could be worthy of a book by an objective author as well. Perhaps the subject of a dissertation by some young upcoming political science historian?

Mate. I thought it was "only" 200 K not a a full quarter million (how much in todays money, again?). But I don't remember the part about Phillips writing him a check. Something about a bag of cash comes to mind. I'm probably wrong again or it's just my imagination runnin' away with me, again. Pawn does not take out King without assistance of Bishop and Knight.

Thanks for the correction and lead. Phelan was with the Saturday Evening Post magazine (unfamiliar to readers since the (?) 70's), a tool of Operation Mockingbird, so I've read.

Maybe more like planned confusion? Obfuscation? Bishop was Phillips. Phiilips was Barnes. Barnes was Bishop. Bishop was Smith or Jones. Phillips was Bishop?

Just read the text of the interview. I'm enlightened further. Thank you. I recommend reading or listening to the full interview to anyone interested in learning about our history. In terms of "not very honorable reporters" Sheridan is discussed. In one of your books I believe you detail his renting a house to provide food, booze and a daily breakdown of that day's testimony as well as a brief on the next day's, both skewed to his viewpoint, for other out of town reporters. His assistance by man on the spot on 11/22/63 Hugh Aynesworth is neglected for brevity I'd guess. I've never read of JFK's evacuation plan for Vietnam over worries Hanoi would take over before late 1965. Interesting. Any idea where one might actually see the New York Times ad regarding Case Closed that defames Marrs, Stone, Garrison, Groden and Lifton as "guilty of misleading the American public"? That's a interesting sounding historical visual, one that might stimulate readership here and at K & K. Here's a relevant 10 year old thread I found on Sheridan, thanks Mr. Simkin and others.

Kind of like Nagell and possibly others may have used Hidell?

I should probably read the reviews at amazon for perspective before posting but I thought I'd read somewhere (maybe on this site?) that "The Brothers" gives Allen and John Foster at least somewhat of a fawning treatment. Not that this would necessarily preclude it from still being informative.

No, night vision goggles were either not invented back then or at least not available to hunters or the general public otherwise. No, I, as a hunter earlier in life since the age of 14 have never shot at a deer in the dark. That was not an issue in the statements. They say it was after daylight, that is questionable. New England, 6-6:30 AM in November? I was not the 22 year old son of a state trooper (but was of a military veteran) but I was taught to not shoot at anything you could not clearly identify as a deer clearly enough to see where you wanted to place your shot. I think I'll order this in the morning for perspective on Sullivan himself. https://www.amazon.com/Bureau-thirty-years-Hoovers-FBI/dp/0393012360/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499318688&sr=8-1&keywords=the+bureau+my+thirty+year

Suspicion 40 years ago in 1977, never sufficiently answered, worthy of further question. https://isgp-studies.com/miscellaneous/death_list/data/1977_11_Bill_Sullivan_death_FBI_hatchet_man_for_Hoover_suspected_of_JFK_RFK_MLK_assassination_involvement.pdf This is interesting too, even considering the source. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/sullivan.htm It makes me wonder. The 22 year old son of a state trooper went straight to the nearby Chief of Police's house and walked into his bedroom. Chief Gary Young "I woke up to a disturbance in my bedroom, a Young Boy." "saw a motion through my scope, I saw brown, I saw a flicker of white, I'm Not Sure What It Really Was, it moved I squeezed my trigger. Cardinal rule of hunting, you don't shoot without a clear shot you can identify exactly what you are shooting and Where you want to place your shot. 22 year old experienced hunter son of a state trooper would know this. From Hit List, pg. 207 "During the year before the accident I saw about fifteen or twenty deer," he said. "I didn't shoot at any of them because I didn't think it was the right shooting time. I consider myself a sportsman, not a person who goes out to kill as many deer as he can". 587. Further in his statement, "dragged him out of the woods and (then) started CPR, drove to Gary Young's house. I got him out of bed. He made the necessary phone calls. A bit of a caviler end to a brief statement. $500 fine, no hunting license for 10 years. Sullivan, as former chief of Division Five, investigator of the JFK assassination was forced to resign by Hoover. "The main figure in the FBI involved in the Executive Action program" 'William Sullivan's goal was to testify before the public HSCA hearings and lay his cards on the table, so to speak. (by) 'Veteran CIA officer Leutrell Osbourene, also investigated the matter." "He told his friend Robert Novak, Someday you will read I have been killed in an accident, but don't believe it; I've been murdered" Autopsy says shot in the throat, a lucky accident? The smallest primary target on a human torso. Elsewhere said in the back. To paraphrase another FBI agent, He was a knowledgeable experienced hunter, (not to mention an experienced intelligence operative), who would not have exposed himself that way.

Thank you for qualifying sir. Please continue with elucidation regarding the mock trial. A serious attempt at an approximation of the circumstances by qualified individuals is appreciated by some.

"The power elite learned their lesson" Yes Sir they did. They bought up the rest of the Press. While Operation Mockingbird heavily influenced the National Press most mid and smaller market newspapers and TV stations were owned by local millionaires or less at the time. The bigger MSM picture of today makes me consider how ownership of it all by half a dozen corporations (e.g. Disney) by the .01% of us influences current perceptions/interpretations of previous events.

6-8 months ago I asked my 24 year old high school teacher daughter if she had ever heard of Kent State. No. Some history is ignored in high school and most college courses. I physically blocked her view of her cell phone to get her to pay attention to parts of this (with my open hand). Neil Young, an illegal at the time Canadian immigrant wrote the song after reading and seeing images in a newspaper, then on TV. Within about 24 hours. It was recorded and on the air within 72 hours. No video or internet support but highly requested from dj's. https://www.bing.com/search?q=crosby+stills+nash+and+young+ohio&form=PRUSEN&mkt=en-us&httpsmsn=1&refig=ad25c23c830e47ec8a6f4fbdd8789d73&sp=-1&pq=crosby+stills+nash+and+young+ohio&sc=10-33&qs=n&sk=&cvid=ad25c23c830e47ec8a6f4fbdd8789d73 Me Lai would probably result in me what or me who?

Paul, Harvey's (no pun intended) wife's statements are interesting. http://jfkfacts.org/cia-widow-denounced-jfk-jackie-and-rfk-then-she-expressed-love-for-a-gangster/

"so mysterious that the CIA would not even acknowledge he existed to the HSCA". So, someone at the HSCA suspected something or they wouldn't have asked the CIA about him? Your words made me think about his "heart attack" happening in 78, while the HSCA was trying to get other people to testify that had heart attacks before they could as well as others from natural causes, accidents, shootings and suicides. They also prompted me to look through NEXUS. Pg. 185. "In 1975 Morales retired (his paperwork suggest that the retirement was "involuntary") and eventually moved his family into a highly secure and remote ranch in southern Arizona. In 1978, he fell ill and died suddenly of a heart attack following a trip to Washington D.C. His lawyer and friend Bob Walton, had asked him why he spent so much money on alarm systems and other home security - was it because his remote home was only 30 miles from the Mexican border? Morales replied, 'I'm not worried about those people. I'm worried about my own'. Morales old colleague and former head of the AMOT's...Tony Sforza , also died of a sudden hear attack some six months after Morales." I forget what page but it also mentions him making statements to others about his personal involvement in the capture of Che. Given his hatred of JFK maybe he was somewhere on site on 11/22.

Mc Adams article does not address the question. Six upper level FBI agents, all with specific connections to the investigation of JFK's assassination died in a six month period (6/77-11/77), all scheduled at the time to testify before the House Sub Committee on Assassinations. Some say seven if you include Regis Kennedy's heart attack in 78 the day before he was to testify. Four heart attacks including him, a fall at home, natural causes after a lengthy illness (what illness?), mistaken for a deer and shot in the throat by an experienced hunter(subject for a different post). This explains it better. https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=hsca+fbi+agent+deaths&view=detail&mid=715EC49F091324DFEA10715EC49F091324DFEA10&FORM=VIRE The odds of this happening seemed suspicious the first time I read about it. Mathematician Richard Charnin says if 20 agents were called to testify and 5 had heart attacks, two had accidents (for example) those odds would be one in 190 trillion. http://whokilledjfk.net/strange_fbi_deaths.htm If you want to address the odds regarding the bigger picture Mc Adams attempts to address Mr. Charnin does that as well. In a fashion even a non scientist like me can understand. https://www.amazon.com/Reclaiming-Science-Conspiracy-mathematical-disinformation/dp/1502715996/ref=sr_1_6?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1498972558&sr=1-6&keywords=richard+charnin

Other than a few quotes I'd never read Chomsky until a few days after this years inauguration. A few weeks after last year's election I started looking for something more informative than what the MSM offered regarding how we had gotten to the point that what happened happened.. I came across Chris Hedges "Unspeakable", a pretty devastating and depressing analysis. Of course I came across Chomsky in my search. On January 20 during the inauguration in an act of frustration and rebellion I ordered three of his books in an effort to find something as far left of the right as I could. I waded through two of the three. He does make one think. My naivety regarding some of the subjects was improved upon. I did come across comments about the JFK assassination which I disagreed with and questioned. This, and I can't find the right word, a feeling of being preached at as opposed to informed of (?) have left me lacking desire to finish the third book. Not to get political here but I ultimately have found some enlightenment in the following books. https://www.amazon.com/Ratf-ked-Your-Doesnt-Count/dp/1631493213/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1498877764&sr=1-1&keywords=ratfuked As editor of Salon the author made a big step trying to fill the shoes of founder/former editor David Talbot (Brothers, The Devi's Chessboard). https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Money-History-Billionaires-Radical/dp/0307947904/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1498878130&sr=1-1&keywords=dark+money+jane+mayer+paperback New Yorker writer responds to Koch Bros. attack on personal credibility and prior article stunningly. Not just me, 5 stars, Over 1500 reviews. https://www.amazon.com/Captured-Corporate-Infiltration-American-Democracy/dp/1620972077/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1498878677&sr=1-1&keywords=captured+sheldon+whitehouse Billionaire 1% owned Corporate Americas takeover via Citizens United explained from the inside of our political system in detail passionately and Patriotically by the eloquent Senator from Rode Island. Highly under read based on the number of reviews. (I've not read NYT/WaPo reviews of it).

http://www.prouty.org/mcadams/ Factoid's, ad hominem attacks. I've made the mistake of trying to present logic to the de frocked professor over on JFK facts more than once. I seriously wonder if he wasn't a paid operative of Operation Mockingbird. I believe it's been noted he was funded in part by one the Koch supported fronts.

Thank you Jim. Not to detract from the focus of the topic of this thread but maybe supplement it, readers interested in "The American Media" might also find this film of interest. https://www.thesearchersfilm.com/ I hope to watch both in the not too distant future.

Does the film ever mention Operation Mockingbird or the current ownership of All the Main Stream Media by the 0.01%?

Ernie, given your knowledge regarding the FBI I wonder if you might share any thoughts regarding the deaths of the (?) six upper level agents in (?) 6 months shortly before the HSCA. I Think I've read some of them at least, had connections to the investigation of the JFK assassination. A experienced kayaker drowned in still water? One shot by a neighbor's son in a hunting accident? Two heart attacks. A fall at home. Is any of that close to right? All just coincidence?

Lemnitzer, Lansdale, Le May, someone held sway that day over or within the military. Something I've not seen mentioned anywhere in a while; U S army soldiers were prepared and ready to leave Fort Hood, North of Austin early that morning to protect their Commander in Chief that day in Dallas. This was not unusual, pictures and I believe video can be or used to could be found on the internet of armed soldiers in parade dress lining parade routes facing the crowds in previous JFK parades. Someone ordered these soldiers to stand down. Their immediate commander was incensed and protested, he was ordered to stand down himself. From memory, maybe even as far back as Crossfire 1. I'm not making it up or dreaming.

Thanks for the link Chris. Mary Ferrell is an amazing site, Kudos to Mr. Russ. Even though I've been frustrated looking for info there before, there is a Lot to look at. Debra Conway's 10 year old article is the best concise chronological summary of named people in the CIA and JFK administration regarding Cuba I've never seen before. The MF bio on Morales made me think, "died of a heart attack"? I thought I'd read he got sick at home in Arizona and was taken to the hospital where access to his room was prohibited by guards (county/state/federal? I don't remember if it was specified) except for very immediate family. I still do believe I read something of this but can't remember where. Prevention of a death bed confession was my point of curiosity. Maybe something more informative than Howard Hunt's? So I started looking for corroboration I've not yet found and wound up in "Someone Would Have Talked" by Larry Hancock. The JFK assassination is so deep, so wide, so many subjects. It's amazing what one can read and then forget over just seven years. This thread made me refresh my memory. If you've not read chapter 8 it's worth the price of the book by itself if your interested in David Morales. It goes a lot deeper than this thread. In addition to Roselli he knew Joe Fish. His best friend was amazed by the number of men in dark suits and sunglasses who attended his funeral. Tip of the iceberg.

If Army is interpreted as Military overall and you step up a level from Lansdale to someone who Might be entrusted with knowledge to ensure that aspect was controlled for say a Harriman or David Rockefeller you might consider General Curtis Le May. Conveniently out of pocket, maybe out of the country over the border in Canada at the time of the assassination. Yet reportedly in Bethesda at the autopsy. Hated JFK. Had wanted a reason for a first strike nuclear attack on the ruskie's for years. He could have guaranteed any necessary air strikes world wide at a minimum. Dr. Strangelove meets Seven Day's in May. What ever happened regarding the missing Air force One tapes. Were they communicating with him? http://jfkfacts.org/a-note-on-curtis-lemays-actions-on-nov-22/ http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-air-force-one-radio-tapes-update.html

If I may clarify the above. Just from what I've read that others have dug up. I don't think Morales would allow himself to be as close to the assassination site as the TSBD, he seems a bit above that operational level. That he might be involved in the set up and supervision of such an operation is at least conceivable given his area of expertise. As it is accepted by some that LHO didn't do it. A conspiracy that someone planned the physical operation of. Some have suggested, for example, Bill Harvey provided Corsican assassin's. Somebody provided them with, accommodation, transport, positioning, rehearsal (?), protection, escape??? Corsicans, Cubans, MIC. Somebody with expertise in such affairs would have walked Dealy Plaza and the surrounding area, maybe after normal working hours to attract less attention (?). They would have driven the route multiple times. They would have had after hours access to the Texas School Book Depository well in advance to inspect, plan, and set up. They might have even set up diversions (like a shot or two from the sixth floor?). If Morales participated in such and possibly watched the operation, maybe it was from a little further afar. Say the Postal Annex, all the way across Elm, Main and Continental, the whole of Dealy Plaza. Postal Inspector Holmes did so, with binoculars. If I remember right the building did house military offices in addition to other government offices (as did the Post office in New Orleans!). He did reportedly said "WE got hat SOB". Sometime later, he felt sick, went home to (?) Arizona(?), was taken to the hospital, no one was allowed to see him, and he died if memory serves me. Can anyone discredit or add to support of this supposition?