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Get a clue, Beer Can Dude. I'm a Harvard grad. Do you know anything about New England's oldest institution of higher learning? Cheramie used multiple aliases.

Wow, Bill. Never heard this one before. Reminds me a bit of Bob Dylan's chilling song, Masters of War. For some reason, I never knew much about Elvis Costello's career. I was more of a Talking Heads aficionado in those days, mainly because I lived in Providence in the late 70s. Bob Dylan has a chapter on Elvis Costello's song, Pump It Up, in his recently published book, The Philosophy of Modern Song.

Pat, Your comment is misleading, at best. Why do you mislabel evidence-based rebuttals of JFKA disinformation here as "harassment?" You seem to have an oddly ambiguous relationship with truth-telling. It reminds me of your curiously inaccurate comment (above) downplaying the history of the CIA "Mockingbird" propaganda establishment in modern history-- while simultaneously claiming to have read The Mighty Wurlitzer, Carl Bernstein's 1977 Rolling Stone essay on The CIA and the Media, and Udo Ulfkotte's book, Presstitutes! Quite the reductio ad absurdum. Most people who have spent any time studying the literature and media coverage of the JFK assassination are fully aware of the highly prevalent disinformation promoting the WCR Lone Nut narrative in our mainstream and social media during the past 60 years. Should people respond to it honestly, when it rears its ugly head on the Education Forum? The other curious thing about your misleading comment (above) is that you accused a fellow moderator of "harassment"-- for responding honestly to forum disinformation-- while saying nothing about the harassment of the moderator by people promoting the disinformation.

Bill Clinton talked about these astonishing job stats at the Democratic Convention in Chicago. So, why do so many clueless Americans still think that Trump was "better for the economy?" Trump's main economic "achievement" was to mushroom the U.S. national debt by $8 trillion dollars in 4 years, with his tax cuts for billionaires and corporations.

Jean, That is sophomoric bunk. Your (above) comments on this thread about those of us who have raised accurate criticisms about Mr. Litwin's propaganda (since 2018) indicate that you either never read James DiEugenio's highly detailed critiques of Litwin's JFKA disinformation, or that you didn't understand them. Litwin's most recent cherry-picked disinformation didn't appear ex nihilo. It's part of a multi-year disinformation campaign to smear the JFK investigators who have debunked the Warren Commission Report.

Doug, IMO, attention and enthusiasm are also a function of media coverage. I have noticed, recently, that there has been very little mainstream media coverage of Kamala Harris, while Donald Doofus continues to grab the daily headlines. This is, precisely, what happened in the run-up to the 2016 election. The 2017 Harvard (Brennan Center) and Columbia Journalism Review studies later showed that the mainstream media in 2016 had utterly failed to cover the major policy differences between Hillary Clinton and Trump, (e.g., tax policy, Obamacare, climate change, EPA, etc.) while focusing relentlessly on Hillary's trumped up "Email-gate" scandal. Rupert Murdoch's propaganda outlets (Fox, NYPost, WSJ) were the worst offenders, but the entire corporate media was also culpable-- including CBS, NBC, NYT, WaPo, et.al.

Joe, When I first discovered the Education Forum, in about 2015 or 2016, I realized that it was a rare, special place on the internet where researchers like John Simkin, James DiEugenio, Joseph McBride, Larry Hancock, Vince Palamara, and others were writing about the true history of the JFK assassination. It was a striking contrast to the numerous disinformation sites on the internet that I had perused-- e.g., John McAdams, David Reitzes, and the usual mainstream media Lone Nut narratives. The disinformation sites always appeared at the top of my JFKA Google searches in those days. Of course, it took a while for me to gradually distinguish the writings of the accurate, honest historians from the CIA propagandists. What concerns me now is that we seem to have a cadre of Education Forum members promoting disinformation. Whether they are being funded or doing this for free, based on ignorance and lack of discernment, is unclear to me. When the question of government-funded disinformation arises, there is always a wild hue-and-cry of moral indignation from the guys who promote disinformation here-- accompanied by outrage that a "moderator" would dare to raise the question! So, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they are simply ignorant.

Be careful what you ask for, Bill... 🤡 David Reitzes Meets Michael Shermer: Send In the Clowns (kennedysandking.com)

My advice is that people should first read James DiEugenio's detailed, scholarly reviews of Mr. Litwin's previous work. Litwin and the Warren Report (kennedysandking.com) Fred Litwin, On the Trail of Delusion – Part One (kennedysandking.com) Fred Litwin, On the Trail of Delusion – Part Two (kennedysandking.com) Fred Litwin, On the Trail of Delusion - Part Three (kennedysandking.com)

Swine? Is that your "collegial" description today of an Education Forum moderator? 🙄 Meanwhile, what "pearls" is Greg Doudna casting before alleged swine, Ben? Do tell. In point of fact, Greg Doudna completely ignored James DiEugenio's scholarly references (above) about Fred Litwin's Warren Commission-fluffing/Garrison-smearing propaganda, while endorsing Litwin's alleged "debunking" of the Rose Cheramie story. I asked Greg to explain how Litwin had "debunked the Rose Cheramie story," while later directing Greg to DiEugenio's detailed 1999 essay on the subject. Greg has not yet responded to my request for an explanation. Is this the Benjamin Cole concept of "civil, collegial" debate?

I recall reading some things on David Reitzes' website several years ago, when I first started to delve into the JFK assassination research. It didn't take long to realize that he was a fraud-- a purveyor of JFKA disinformation, like John McAdams.

C'mon, Greg. DiEugenio "scored some points" in his detailed critiques (above) of Litwin? That's a ludicrous understatement. As for Greg Parker's essay on Cheramie, his quotation from DiEugenio is worthwhile, but his neuropsychiatric diagnosis is simply silly. Encephalitis is not acutely re-activated by car accidents. If visual hallucinations occur with encephalitis, it is in the context of acute inflammation and delirium. You need to read DiEugenio's excellent 1999 essay on Rose Cheramie, which I posted on a new thread today.

Steve, Let me take a wild guess. Is it this guy? 🤥

I thought that I had read about the Rose Cheramie story somewhere, and now I realize that it was in DiEugenio's book, The Assassinations, which was one of the first JFKA books I read several years ago. Rose Cheramie: How She Predicted the JFK Assassination (kennedysandking.com) Monday, 16 August 1999 20:05 Rose Cheramie: How She Predicted the JFK Assassination Written by James DiEugenio Print Jim DiEugenio reports on his research into the Rose Cheramie story. From the July-August 1999 issue (Vol. 6 No. 5) of Probe On November 20, 1963, Lt. Francis Fruge of the Louisiana State Police received a phone call from Moosa Memorial Hospital in Eunice. A Mrs. Louise Guillory, the hospital administrator told him that there was an accident victim in the emergency ward. Guillory knew that Fruge worked the narcotics detail and she felt that the woman was under the influence of drugs. Fruge immediately left for the hospital. When he got there he encountered a middle-aged white female sitting down in the waiting room outside emergency. There were no serious injuries; only bruises and abrasions. She was only partly coherent. But Moosa was a private hospital and since the woman seemed bereft of funds, Guillory had called Fruge to see what he could do to help. The woman identified herself to Fruge as Rose Cheramie. Fruge had no choice at the time except to place Cheramie in the Eunice City Jail. He then went out to attend the Eunice Police Department's Annual Ball. About an hour later a police officer came over to the function and told Fruge that Cheramie was undergoing withdrawal symptoms. Fruge came back and, after recognizing the condition, called a local doctor, Dr. Derouin, from the coroner's office. Derouin administered a sedative via syringe to calm her down. The doctor then suggested that she be removed from the jail and taken to the state facility in Jackson. After Fruge agreed, Derouin called the facility at about midnight on the 20th and made arrangements for her delivery there. Afterwards, Fruge called Charity Hospital in Lafayette and ordered an ambulance for the transport to the hospital. Fruge accompanied Cheramie to the hospital. And, according to his House Select Committee deposition, it was at this point that Rose began to relate her fascinating and astonishing tale. Calmed by the sedative, and according to Fruge, quite lucid, she began to respond to some routine questions with some quite unusual answers. She told him that she was en route from Florida to Dallas with two men who looked Cuban or Italian. The men told her that they were going to kill the president in Dallas in just a few days. Cheramie herself was not part of the plot but apparently the men were also part of a large dope ring with Rose since Cheramie's function was as a courier of funds for heroin which was to be dropped off to her by a seaman coming into the port of Galveston. She was to pick up the money for the drugs from a man who was holding her child. It seemed a quite intricate dope ring since she was then to transport the heroin to Mexico. The two men were supposed to accompany her to Mexico but the whole transaction got short-circuited on Highway 190 near Eunice. In the confines of a seedy bar called the Silver Slipper Lounge, Cheramie's two friends were met by a third party. Rose left with the two men she came with. But a short distance away from the bar, an argument apparently ensued. And although some have written that she was thrown out of the vehicle and hit by an oncoming car, according to Fruge, Rose said that the argument took place inside the Silver Slipper, and that the two men and the manager, Mac Manual, threw her out. While hitchhiking on the 190, she was hit by a car driven by one Frank Odom. It was Odom who then delivered her to Moosa. As Fruge so memorably recalled to Jonathan Blackmer of the HSCA, Cheramie summed up her itinerary in Dallas in the following manner: "She said she was going to, number one, pick up some money, pick up her baby, and to kill Kennedy." (p. 9 of Fruge's 4/18/78 deposition) At the hospital, Cheramie again predicted the assassination. On November 22nd, several nurses were watching television with Cheramie. According to these witnesses, "…during the telecast moments before Kennedy was shot Rose Cheramie stated to them, ‘This is when it is going to happen' and at that moment Kennedy was assassinated. The nurses, in turn, told others of Cheramie's prognostication." (Memo of Frank Meloche to Louis Ivon, 5/22/67. Although the Dallas motorcade was not broadcast live on the major networks, the nurses were likely referring to the spot reports that circulated through local channels in the vicinity of the trip. Of course, the assassination itself was reported on by network television almost immediately after it happened.) Further, according to a psychiatrist there, Dr. Victor Weiss, Rose "…told him that she knew both Ruby and Oswald and had seen them sitting together on occasions at Ruby's club." (Ibid., 3/13/67) In fact, Fruge later confirmed the fact that she had worked as a stripper for Ruby. (Louisiana State Police report of 4/4/67.) Fruge had discounted Cheramie's earlier comments to him as drug-induced delusions. Or, as he said to Blackmer, "When she came out with the Kennedy business, I just said, wait a minute, wait a minute, something wrong here somewhere." (Fruge, HSCA deposition, p. 9) He further described her in this manner: Now, bear in mind that she talked: she'd talk for awhile, looks like the shots would have effect on her again and she'd go in, you know, she'd just get numb, and after awhile she'd just start talking again. (Ibid.) But apparently, at the time of the assassination Cheramie appeared fine. The word spread throughout the hospital that she had predicted Kennedy's murder in advance. Dr. Wayne Owen, who had been interning from LSU at the time, later told the Madison Capital Times that he and other interns were told of the plot in advance of the assassination. Amazingly, Cheramie even predicted the role of her former boss Jack Ruby because Owen was quoted as saying that one of the interns was told "…that one of the men involved in the plot was a man named Jack Rubinstein." (2/11/68) Owen said that they shrugged it off at the time. But when they learned that Rubinstein was Ruby they grew quite concerned. "We were all assured that something would be done about it by the FBI or someone. Yet we never heard anything." (Ibid.) In fact, Cheramie's association with Ruby was also revealed to Dr. Weiss. For in an interview with him after the assassination, Rose revealed that she had worked as a drug courier for Jack Ruby. (Memo of Frank Meloche to Jim Garrison, 2/23/67) In the same memo, there is further elaboration on this important point: I believe she also mentioned that she worked in the night club for Ruby and that she was forced to go to Florida with another man whom she did not name to pick up a shipment of dope to take back to Dallas, that she didn't want to do this thing but she had a young child and that they would hurt her child if she didn't. These comments are, of course, very revealing about Ruby's role in both an intricate drug smuggling scheme and, at the least, his probable acquaintance with men who either had knowledge of, or were actually involved in, the assassination. This is a major point in this story which we will return to later. Although Fruge had discounted the Cheramie story on November 20th, the events of the 22nd made him a believer. Right after JFK's murder, Fruge "…called that hospital up in Jackson and told them by no way in the world to turn her loose until I could get my hands on her." (Fruge's HSCA deposition, p. 12.) So on November 25th, Fruge journeyed up to Jackson again to talk to Cheramie. This time he conducted a much more in-depth interview. Fruge found out that Cheramie had been traveling with the two men from Miami. He also found that the men seemed to be a part of the conspiracy rather than to be just aware of it. After the assassination, they were supposed to stop by a home in Dallas to pick up both around eight thousand dollars plus Rose's baby. From there Cheramie was supposed to check into the Rice Hotel in Houston under an assumed name. Houston is in close proximity to Galveston, the town from which the drugs were coming in from. From Houston, once the transaction was completed, the trio were headed for Mexico. How reliable a witness was Cheramie? Extermely. Fruge decided to have the drug deal aspect of her story checked out by the state troopers and U. S. Customs. The officers confirmed the name of the seaman on board the correct ship coming into Galveston. The Customs people checked the Rice Hotel and the reservations had been made for her under an assumed name. The contact who had the money and her baby was checked and his name showed that he was an underworld, suspected narcotics dealer. Fruge checked Cheramie's baggage and found that one box had baby clothes and shoes inside. Fruge flew Cheramie from Louisiana to Houston on Tuesday, the 26th. In the back seat of the small Sesna 180, a newspaper was lying between them. One of the headlines read to the effect that "investigators or something had not been able to establish a relationship between Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald." (Fruge's HSCA deposition p. 19) When Cheramie read this headline, she started to giggle. She then added, "Them two queer sons-of-a-bitches. They've been shacking up for years." (Ibid.) She added that she knew this to be true from her experience of working for Ruby. Fruge then had his superior call up Captain Will Fritz of the Dallas Police to relay what an important witness Cheramie could be in his investigation. Fruge related what followed next: Colonel Morgan called Captain Fritz up from Dallas and told him what we had, the information that we had, that we had a person that had given us this information. And of course there again it was an old friend, and there was a little conversation. But anyway, when Colonel Morgan hung up, he turned around and told us they don't want her. They're not interested. Fruge then asked Cheramie if she wished to try telling her tale to the FBI. She declined. She did not wish to involve herself further. With this, the Cheramie investigation was now halted. Rose was released and Fruge went back to Louisiana. So, just four days after the assassination, with an extremely and provably credible witness alive, with her potentially explosive testimony able to be checked out, the Cheramie testimony was now escorted out to pasture. Eyewitness testimony that Ruby knew Oswald, that Ruby was somehow involved in an international drug circle, that two Latins were aware of and perhaps involved in a plot to kill Kennedy, and that Ruby probably knew the men; this incredible lead – ;the type investigators pine for – ;was being shunted aside by Fritz. It would stay offstage until Jim Garrison began to poke into the Kennedy case years later. ... The rest of this article can be found in The Assassinations, edited by Jim DiEugenio and Lisa Pease.

Greg, I'm planning to study the Rose Cheramie story-- including Greg Parker's essay-- in more detail. But, meanwhile, let me point out that you never even responded to James DiEugenio's detailed, scholarly references on this very thread about Fred Litwin's work! That seems quite odd. Why the silence? After all, Mr. Litwin's recent Tales of Mystery and Imagination about Jim Garrison didn't appear ex nihilo. Here's the backstory-- four James DiEugenio essays about Fred Litwin's previous two books on the subject of the JFK assassination and Jim Garrison's investigation. I'm re-posting these for you, Jean Ceulemans, and the Education Forum. Litwin and the Warren Report (kennedysandking.com) Fred Litwin, On the Trail of Delusion – Part One (kennedysandking.com) Fred Litwin, On the Trail of Delusion – Part Two (kennedysandking.com) Fred Litwin, On the Trail of Delusion - Part Three (kennedysandking.com)

My question for Trump. 3) Have you been experiencing any sudden sharp, stabbing pains in your head or torso recently? 🤥

Bill, You forgot George Soros-- the perennial MAGA boogeyman.

Nonsense, Greg. You posted an assertion and I asked you to explain-- in plain English-- why you believed it to be true. A few if us have subsequently discussed the evidence that Dr. Victor Weiss and Lt. Fruge clearly both believed that Rose Cheramie had foreknowledge on November 20th of the JFK assassination plot. Fruge also contacted the Dallas PD about Cheramie after JFK's murder. As for Litwin, we have discussed his dubious work here on multiple previous forum threads, dating back to the publication of his book, I Was a Teenage JFK Conspiracy Freak. See my thread, I Was a Teenage Warren Commission Report Dupe.

Geez... Trump has, absolutely, no shame... 🙄 Trump's Lies About the Hurricane Response Are Getting More Outrageous (msn.com)

LOL, Denny... 😬 Perhaps there are people who get their jollies by propagating historical falsehoods, gratis, but it seems like an odd avocation. I would classify them with people who key cars in parking lots and tip over port-a-potties in public parks.

Geez... This is a depressingly clueless, inaccurate characterization of the actual dialogue on this thread-- including my request for an explanation of Greg Doudna's dubious claim that Fred Litwin had "debunked the Rose Cheramie story." There's a lengthy backstory here-- going back to the publication of Mr. Litwin's Teenage Conspiracy Freak opus, and his Trail of the Delusion sales work -- that Mr. Ceulemans, apparently, knows nothing about. To be honest, I have serious concerns about the quality of some of our recent Education Forum debates-- aside from the obvious spelling errors and impaired reading comprehension. We used to have some high quality, scholarly discussions here a few years ago. Conversely, it's a relief to hear from our esteemed colleague, Joseph McBride, who hit the nail on the head, as usual.

Trump’s Comments on Helene Disaster Thrown Back in His Face (msn.com) October 3, 2024 Just days after Donald Trump baselessly accused Democrats in the federal government and North Carolina’s Democratic governor, Roy Cooper, of “going out of their way to not help people in Republican areas” following Hurricane Helene, a report in Politico’s E&E News found that it was Trump who played politics amid California wildfires in 2018 by holding up aid until he learned that the affected areas were Republican-leaning. Mark Harvey, Trump’s Senior Director for Resilience Policy on the National Security Council Staff, told the outlet that Trump ultimately approved that aid—but only after he was shown voting data from residents. “We went as far as looking up how many votes he got in those impacted areas … to show him these are people who voted for you,” said Harvey, whose recollection was confirmed by Olivia Troy, then Homeland Security Adviser. Trump’s warped response to natural disasters as president occurred the year prior, as well. His administration blocked nearly $20 billion in relief after Hurricane Maria ripped through Puerto Rico, and White House officials obstructed the subsequent watchdog investigation into the matter, according to a 2021 report by the Department of Housing and Urban Development’s Office of Inspector General. On top of that, Trump denied that thousands died as a result of that hurricane.

Karl, In my opinion, you should be banned for repeatedly posting X-Twitter disinformation on the Education Forum. The truth is that you know nothing about the history of FEMA and disaster relief ops in the United States. What's most deplorable about your MAGA spam is the way that Republican sleazeballs-- including Donald Trump and Elon Musk-- have tried to politicize the Hurricane Helene tragedy with the kind of disinformation you are propagating.

This seems to be your go-to explanation for a lot of damning JFKA evidence, Fred-- i.e., that dishonest people simply "made it up." For example, you claim that Dr. Victor Weiss and Lt. Fruge simply made up their story about Ruth Cheramie's foreknowledge of the JFK assassination plot. But that makes no sense. Why would a physician and a cop lie about something that important? You also claim that Richard Case Nagell made up his story about foreknowledge of the JFK assassination plot, then feigned a bank robbery to "get psychiatric help." But I've never heard of a single case, during the past 40 years, where a patient feigned an armed robbery to "get psychiatric help." Some suicidal people engage law enforcement to shoot them, but that's different than robbing banks. Sadly, mentally ill people often end up in jail, (about one-third of Colorado prison inmates are mentally ill) but they don't typically commit crimes to "get psychiatric help." For one thing, psychiatric help is scarce in prisons.

It's not naive at all, Pat. Here are some standard references people should read. For starters, have you read Edward Bernay's classic Propaganda text? (It was Joseph Goebbels' favorite book.) Propaganda: Edward Bernays, Mark Crispin Miller: 8601404243394: Amazon.com: Books You are correct about Edward Bernays and Woodrow Wilson's CPI WWI propaganda blitz in 1917, but Frank Wisner, Allen Dulles, Phillip Graham, et.al., took mass media propaganda to a whole new level in the U.S. with their Mighty Wurlitzer Mockingbird ops. The Mighty Wurlitzer: How the CIA Played America: Wilford, Hugh: 9780674032569: Amazon.com: Books Then there is Carl Bernstein's famous 1977 essay on Mockingbird. The CIA And The Media — Carl Bernstein The German journalist, Udo Ulfkotte, published a more recent update on the pervasive involvement of the CIA in the European mass media, prior to his untimely death. Presstitutes Embedded in the Pay of the CIA: A Confession from the Profession - Kindle edition by Ulfkotte, Udo, Leonard, John-Paul, Schlademan, Andrew. Politics & Social Sciences Kindle eBooks @ Amazon.com.