Benjamin Cole

In general, when anyone makes fantastic claims about any topic, including the JFKA, the onus is on the claim to prove itself out. Earnest researchers know and honor this reality, and try to provide enough evidence to back up their claims. For example, in science the idea replicable experiments is honored. History is a bit more challenging, but the basic premise holds: If you have a claim to make, be prepared to provide enough evidence so that a detached observer has a reason to believe you. Do not begrudge an audience for wanting to see evidence. That is a necessity.

Still, not one legacy media outfit, or even "alt-l" outfit has chosen to make the JFK Records Act a story that is followed, or a cause celebre.

Amen, in spades. Hancock, Newman, DiEugenio, Thompson, Morley are all smart guys who have spent years in the field. All have become jaded and skeptical, a positive attribute in the JFKA research

KG--Thanks for your insights. For all I know, Dulles plotted the JFKA in detail. But...my point is, let's apply the same standards to Dulles that we apply to LHO. I have reasonable doubts, which is not the same as proof of innocence. I would not be surprised if a higher up in the CIA leaked the right info to people attached to the Miami station of CIA (where 400 CIA officers worked). The Miamians hoodwinked LHO somehow. Was there tacit Dulles approval? Who knows? As lawyers say, "Never put into writing what can said. Never talk when a nod will do. Never nod if you can pretend not to have grasped what was said, and just stare out the window and say, "What a beautiful day outside." Harvey said the CIA created intentionally misleading paperwork to cover tracks. You might think you are reading the travel records of Officer X, but you are reading a phony itinerary.

OK article. Imagine the WaPo blocking articles on the JFKA by Morley. The author did a good job of reminding people of the atmosphere around the first Stone film, that Stone was being savagely denigrated even before filming started. Reminds me of what is happening to a certain national presidential candidate now.

I posted this elsewhere, but worth a post here too: I hate to say it, but many JFKA CT'ers (and LN'ers) want to believe certain narratives and thus are susceptible to expedient "facts," "documents" or witnesses. A CT'er might have excruciatingly exact and high standards for proof regarding the involvement of LHO in the JFKA, then the bar sinks into deep into the soft dirt for the indictment of favored suspects. Vice-versa with LN'ers. Tosh Plumlee and Richard Case Nagell are dubious witnesses. Other "documents" do not hold up to even cursory examination. As much as I admire the work of Douglass, he nearly rhapsodizes and becomes evangelical about certain eyewitnesses, including one who said a large military transport landed in a dry river wash near downtown Dallas and was carrying an LHO double. If one woman saw Jack Ruby outside the TSBD during the TSBD, Douglass glorifies that witness statement. Relative amateurs entering the JFKA arena might be impressed by certain "facts," or might have political agendas or pecuniary interests that color their presentations. All to say, I doubt Rob Reiner and Soledad will come up with much, but I hope for the best. When it comes to the JFKA, I prefer researchers who are so jaded they have given up on politics and ideologies, and just want to know what happened. But a real documentary on the JFKA takes long and sustained work, working hand in hand with a DiEugenio, Newman, Tink Thompson, Morley, Larry Hancock, and being very circumspect about evidence and conclusions.

BF- Yes. For that matter, Zapruder himself says he filmed the JFK motorcade all the way from the corner of Houston and Elm until it disappeared under the underpass. As you know....

I hate to say it, but many JFKA CT'ers (and LN'ers) want to believe certain narratives and thus are susceptible to expedient "facts," "documents" or witnesses. A CT'er might have excruciatingly exact and high standards for proof regarding the involvement of LHO in the JFKA, then the bar sinks into deep into the soft dirt for the indictment of favored suspects. Vice-versa with LN'ers. Tosh Plumlee and Richard Case Nagell are dubious witnesses. Other "documents" do not hold up to even cursory examination. As much as I admire the work of Douglass, he nearly rhapsodizes and becomes evangelical about certain eyewitnesses, including one who said a large military transport landed in a dry river wash near downtown Dallas and was carrying an LHO double. If one woman saw Jack Ruby outside the TSBD during the TSBD, Douglass glorifies that witness statement. Relative amateurs entering the JFKA arena might be impressed by certain "facts," or might have political agendas or pecuniary interests that color their presentations. All to say, I doubt Rob Reiner and Soledad will come up with much, but I hope for the best. When it comes to the JFKA, I refer researchers who are so jaded they have given up on politics and ideologies, and just want to know what happened. But a real documentary on the JFKA takes long and sustained work, working hand in hand with a DiEugenio, Newman, Tink Thompson, Morley, and being very circumspect about evidence and conclusions.

JD- I was going to post this too, glad you did. Let's see how they do. AFAIK, they have not been working with anybody in the JKA research community, such as DiEugenio or John Newman. So...?

One of the most difficult aspects of the JFKA is getting a grip on whether evidence tampering has occurred. Accusations can be made, and even reasonable deductions, but what exists in the way of solid fact? This brings up the ever strange, gloomy backyard photo of General Edwin Walker's home, alleged to have been in the possession of LHO, and found shortly after his arrest. https://imageupload.io/YY9adB89kmk6P4C The backstory is that the Warren Commission deduced it was LHO who shot into Walker's home the night of April 10, 1963, based in part on this photograph in his possession. The first aspect of the Walker photograph that everyone notices is the 1957 Chevy parked at Walker's home appears to have part of rear trunk ripped out, or something to that effect. As it turns out, parties unknown cut out of the actual photograph the image of vehicle's license plate. Marina Oswald, whose testimony wandered all over the board, said the license plate image was in the photo, pre-JFKA. It does not stand credulity that LHO would have cut out the license plate number from the Walker backyard photograph. If, for some reason, LHO wanted to track the plate back to the owner, likely by contacting the state's Department of Motor Vehicles or auto insurance company, surely a pencil and paper would have sufficed to record the number. Which leaves the most likely option: Someone, after the arrest of LHO, removed the license plate image from the Walker photograph. That someone could have only been officials with possession of the photograph, which was held by the Dallas Police Department or the FBI. Which sure looks a clear case of evidence tampering. If officials were willing to engage in evidence tampering, what does that mean about other aspects of the Walker shooting? Four Dallas Police Department officers, two patrolman and two detectives (one with 13 years on the force), visited the Walker home the night of the shooting, and in two separate and signed same-day reports, testified they had found a steel-jacketed bullet slug in the Walker, which had obviously been aimed at Walker. Of course, the problem with this is that LHO (it is alleged) carried a Mannlicher Carcano rifle that used copper-jacketed Western Cartridge 6.5 ammo. Later, when the Walker slug arrived at the FBI lab (CE 573) in DC from Dallas, it was immediately identified as a copper-jacketed slug. The difference between steel- and copper-jacketed slugs is obvious, and easily noted by anyone in the guns-and-ammo crowd, from target shooters, to hunters, to game wardens, to target-range operators, military, police and especially city detectives. Of course, for city detectives at the scene of the attempted murder of a very high-profile public figure--that is, Walker--it stretches credulity that the most important piece of evidence would mis-identified, by all four officers. Was there evidence tampering in the Walker shooting case? Ponder the Walker backyard photograph.

I still want to know...does anyone know what happened to the bulk of the 4 million WC 6.5 rounds that were manufactured? Where were they distributed?

From The Rolling Stone: RFK Jr. Beating Biden and Trump Among Young Voters in Key States: Poll The independent candidate’s campaign is becoming a destabilizing force in an already close 2024 race BY NIKKI MCCANN RAMIREZ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/rfk-jr-beating-biden-trump-young-voters-1234871560/

I have a different take. There was a very small plan to stage a false-flag failed JFKA. To be blamed on Castro, to trigger an invasion. But somehow a couple-three guys piggybacked on the plan, and shot for real. Perhaps everyone was from Miami, excepting LHO. But...who knows.

Well, my eyes are the size of saucer plates reading your comments here. That is what I suspect---a false flag op, that was piggy-backed on by Cuban exiles, and mercs, the Miami crowd. Were the Miamians tipped off by a higher up in the CIA? Or learned something providentially? A leak? A password to gain LHO's confidence? I don't know. I may be the only JFKA researcher who does not know exactly and precisely what happened on 11/22.

You know, many, many, many legacy media articles over the decades have lead paragraphs on JFKA that include the zanier theories, so as to smear the whole field. This may be just the latest iteration a tied and true technique. The way the RFK2 campaign is treated in legacy media, and alt-l media, has a familiar ring.....

Perhaps the idea is to flood the zone with obviously nutty CTs.

Love that flourish, "which has ever been produced by anyone."

Well, another poll, this one from CNN. They ignore the RFK2 bid in the headline and lead paragraph, but do acknowledge RFK2 further on. ---30--- Trump widens lead over Biden in new CNN poll By OLIVIA ALAFRIZ 11/07/2023 09:27 PM EST A CNN poll released Tuesday added to recent concerns surrounding Joe Biden’s reelection bid, with the president falling further behind his 2020 opponent and current GOP frontrunner Donald Trump. A poll of registered voters showed Trump polling at 49 percent to Biden’s 45 percent in a hypothetical 2024 matchup, with the gap widening from the 47 percent to 46 percent lead Trump held in the same poll taken Aug. 25-31. Biden was buffeted by a 39 percent approval rating. However, Trump’s approval rating was slightly worse at 38 percent, according to the poll. Just 28 percent said things are currently going very or fairly well in the country under Biden’s presidency. Of further concern for Biden: a mere 25 percent of those polled answered “yes” to the question of whether he “has stamina/sharpness,” while 74 percent said “no.” Trump received vastly better scores in that category, with 53 percent saying “yes,” and 47 percent “no.” Among Democrats, 51 percent said Biden has the sharpness/stamina, compared with 90 percent of Republicans who say the former president does. Among voters aged under 35, 48 percent supported Trump, while 47 percent favored Biden, a substantial narrowing of respective support within that category, which previously broke broadly for Biden. The poll indicated that in a four-way race with independent candidates Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Cornel West, Trump led Biden, 41 percent to 35 percent, with Kennedy at 16 percent and West at 4 percent. ---30--- So this poll has RFK2 down to 16%. A legitimate topic for EF-JFKA: Is RFK2 being Op Mocked as he would open up the JFK Records? How could we form judgements on that?

That is true, about flashing SS credentials. There are hard factual reports, affidavits from DPD and Dallas Sheriffs, of a man flashing SS credentials near the GK, where, as I am sure you know, the real SS had no one. So, someone in a car flashing SS credentials is a possible scenario. There are other, less solid reports of mysterious suited men also flashing SS credentials around Dallas 11/22. AFAIK, there are no DPD or Sheriff reports of a man in a car near the TSBD flashing SS credentials. But, as we apparently agree, after the fact, a lot of complicity took place.

AF-- Very interesting. I will say, in contrast to many fellow CT'ers, I think witting Dallas Police Department participation in the JFKA was nil. After the event, going along to get along became the rule, in most, if not all, government agencies. The man in Oldsmobile car, chatting with the unformed police officer, was likely just a plain clothes man. But, you never know. Maybe the driver was a conspirator, who just knew the right things to say to the cop. The Oldsmobile left as soon as it became obvious that LHO had gone elsewhere. I admire your work, even if I disagree at times. It never hurts to re-examine the evidence. The JFKA is not a closed case.

Note to all: 1. We will survive a thread on the RFK2 campaign. 2. Despite what you read, no matter who wins the 2024 election, it will not be TEOTWAWKI. 3. But...we pretty know what will happen to the JFK Records, unless RFK2 wins.

Good points PB.

That is an interesting letter. This particular LHO letter is nearly free of grammatical and spelling errors. The only blemish is the odd use of a semi-colon. The exalted language sure reads like a government agent mimicking a true communist. And this letter is written after LHO has returned from Russia, disillusioned with the practice of communism as he saw it there? It is reasonable to ponder if LHO was an intel state asset.

KG- Sorry, I had forgotten about KK Lane's post. I am not for whitewashing JFK's record. He authorized the Bay of Pigs invasion, and sent troops to Vietnam. If JFK torpedoed a socialist in Brazil, that was wrong act. I think it can be said JFK wanted peace with Cuba, and to get out of Vietnam. Trump should have pardoned Assange, and should have released the JFK Records. Biden appears to be of the same high moral and ethical calibre as Trump, in regards to those two topics (except the Biden went further, and created the Orwellian "Transparency Board," and has crafted a plan for a permanent snuff job on the JFK Records). In truth, I am uncomfortable with the "JFKA: Dulles Did It" conclusion. What Larry Hancock has uncovered in SWHT points to the Miami Station of the CIA, Cuban exiles, mercs and so on. One could posit Dulles fed the Miamians the right things to say to LHO. But there is no evidence of that. Dulles was corporate gunsel and had zero ethics in representing corporate interests inside of US foreign-military policy. Read Smedley Butler for an overview. Does that mean Dulles perped the JFKA? Anyway, as the great Chick Hearn would say, "No harm, no foul" on a second post of Greenwald's i-vu of Talbot.

JFK Revisited was a tremendous achievement by JD. I am glad you got that film maker to help out.