Benjamin Cole

JD- Here were are, 60 years after the JFKA, with the mountain of evidence that the official story on the JFKA is misleading, that the JFK Records documents are being suppressed for no good reason, and even with the HSCA finding that JFKA likely died from a conspiracy... And still, the only journalists willing to touch the JFKA-CIA story are the outsiders, the alt-media. There was one legacy media journalist who began talking about the JFKA-CIA story...and he is now on X-Twitter. Op Mock has become a fleet of B-52s....

Amen. I think the EF-JFKA can afford a single thread on the RFK2 campaign, and his stance on on the JFK Records, and the possible (probable?) Op Mock ops being done against RFK2. As to RFK2's other positions on issues, or the financial backing of RFK2, or of other candidates, I say nothing---except I am sure all are backed by big money and there are squalid entanglements in all three families. So it goes.

Amen Greg. You and I may disagree on certain specifics regarding the JFKA. So what? Myers has covered himself in bile with this one. Someone can be a Trump supporter, a hardline D-Partier, a Marxist, or a RFK2 backer...that is all irrelevant to research on the JFKA.

RO- RFK2 polled at 22% in latest poll. After tsunami of negative coverage. People say RFK2 has no chance...are they whistling in the dark? The two major political parties in 2024 promise to put forward the weakest candidates, perhaps in the entire postwar era. There is one thread on the EF-JFKA now reviewing the RFK2 bid and the possible Op Mock ops being run against him. That is too much? Besides, who would bother "campaigning" on the EF-JFKA? How many votes could be switched, speaking through this forum? Let's call a spade a spade: There are hardline partisans in the EF-JFKA, who dislike the topics of the Biden Administration's JFK Records Act snuff job, and of the outlook for RFK2. Suppressing threads on these topics reflects partisan animus. It is not partisan politics to cover these topics, it is partisan politics to snuff these topics out.

Thanks for posting.

Again, I refuse to talk politics on EF-JFKA (ground rules), unless it pertains to opening up of the JFK Records Act, or the "Op Mocking" of RFK2, as RFK2 would open up the JFK Records Act. I have nothing to say about the financial backers of RFK2, Biden or Trump, except the bulk of money will come from wealthy backers, and if you look at money flowing into those three families, either in campaigns or personally, you will likely find some squalid results. Side note: Jacob Hornberger, an arch libertarian, has been a pillar in the JFKA research community for years. Inside the EF-JFKA we should welcome the full range of the political spectrum. Attempts to stigmatize certain political stripes should be avoided.

SL-- You may be right. But I am not "politicking" for RFK2, or declaring his greatness as a person, or his insights on a wide range of issues. I am not saying he is the "best candidate." Indeed, that is subjective. I am noting RFK2's bid for presidency as the lone candidate who will open up the JFK Records, and what I consider to be the consequent "Op Mocking" of his bid. I support RFK2's bid, but almost entirely because he will open up the JFK Records, maybe even before I pass from this earth. Indeed, RFK2's positions of a variety of issues are a patchwork, and sometimes I agree and sometimes not. But on this one issue of prime and central importance to the EF-JFKA---the JFK Records Act---RFK2 towers above the field. Call a spade a spade: There are staunch partisans in the EF-JFKA club who would like RFK2 to disappear, for partisan reasons. It is feared RFK2 might hurt the Biden bid. The latest poll-figures seem to show RFK2 would hurt Trump more. It is the suppression of RFK2 bid as a EF-JFKA topic that is politics, and reflects partisanship. But the EF-JFKA is not, or at least should not be, a D-Party or R-Party forum.

Dick Russell's observations regarding Politico can be verified, checked out. You can read Politico and draw your own conclusions. Politico (stylized in all caps), known originally as The Politico, is a Washington metropolitan area, U.S., based politics focused newspaper company owned since 2021 by German publisher Axel Springer SE. It covers politics and policy in the United States and internationally. In sharp contrast, nothing in or about the Laffite datebook can be verified. Unfortunately, there it stands.

1. RFK2's position of the JFK Records Act is very pertinent to the EF-JFKA. 2. RFK2's position on who conducted the JFKA (the CIA) is very pertinent to the EF-JFKA. 3. What appears to be Op Mock ops against RFK2 are pertinent to the EF-JFKA (I concede this one can be iffy, but I believe this is going on). I have refrained in my comments from addressing any part of the RFK2 that lies outside those areas---Is RFK2 right or wrong on Israel, vaccines, his Fortress America concept, his illegal immigration commentary. Biden or Trump may be worse or better on any of those issues, but I say nothing. What could be more interesting to the EF-JFKA than a viable Presidential candidate (22% last poll) who will open up the JFK Records? How can this not be one thread in the EF-JFKA? Some EF-JFKA'ers want RFK2 to be President so he will open up the JFK Records? This needs to be censored. Why?

As we have been instructed to avoid "politicking" in the EF-JFKA, I will refrain from discussions in that area. I will say beware of Op Mock ops to make you believe RFK2 is linked to "the far right." Dick Russell's well-documented and informed exposes on which formerly alt-left media organizations have been co-opted is worth reading and thinking about. I advise all EF-JFKA'ers to read Russell's articles. This is Part I of Russell's report, and from there you can find Part II. https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/cia-liberal-media-outlets-the-real-anthony-fauci/ As you say, Russell gave a very limited review of the authenticity of the purported Laffite datebook. I place no credence in the Laffite datebook. I gather Russell is a RFK2 backer.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/01/rfk-jr-2024-campaign-donors-00124621 RFK Jr.’s donor data reveals his 2024 threat A POLITICO analysis of his donor base reveals a lot about who is powering this unconventional candidate. A POLITICO analysis of campaign finance records also shows that Kennedy’s bid has drawn millions of dollars from donors who kept their wallets shut in the last two presidential elections, suggesting he is activating people who have been turned off by what major parties have been offering. ---30--- I suspect this is true. People are washing their hands of the two major parties. Institutionalized graft and ineffectiveness is not appealing. ---30--- Politico is regarded as a CIA mouthpiece by JFKA researcher Dick Russell. They led this story with this paragraph: "Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is collecting checks from past Donald Trump donors at a much higher rate than former Joe Biden contributors, a sign the independent presidential hopeful may pull more from the Republican electorate than Democratic voters." Op Mock has been painting RFK2 as a vaccine nut, a sexual cad, a white supremacist, a Trump surrogate.

Greenwald does not (relatively speaking) have a large following. But one can still wonder how long he will been on Youtube.

Man, this is interesting.

Bill Fite: I also have some reservations about the "LHO is legally innocent" line of argument. I appreciate legal fundamentals for preserving legal rights. There is a reason for chain-for-evidence rules, and other important procedures. I fear the JFK CT crowd (of which I am a member) could look like we are citing legal technicalities, rather addressing LHO's actual guilt or innocence. We all know of cases where a crook "got off" on a legal technicality. In addition, even if LHO was not the gunman that day, he could have been involved. (In fact, I suspect he was an unwitting participant). DA Garrison said the court system could not stand up to the Deep State, or unravel shadow government secrets. Indeed, LHO might have been railroaded in court. And yet we have seen that two government investigations, the WC and HSCA, were also flummoxed by the Deep State. I advise voting for a President who will open up the JFK Records, and is not a Deep State puppet. If you can find one.

One could argue, Landis has "corroborated" the findings of the FBI that there was copper on the bullet-entry holes in JFK short and coat...by finding a copper-jacketed slug on the top of the rear seat of the limo. And the Landis revelation "corroborates" the observations of the two FBI agents at the autopsy that the rear back entry wound of JFK may not have transited the body. This becomes subjective, no? CV, you may believe you have divine insights into the JFKA. Others have other conclusions.

Best photos of the dented cartridge I have seen...thanks

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4292933-why-is-biden-denying-secret-service-protection-to-rfk-jr/ Why is Biden denying Secret Service protection to RFK Jr.? "Just last week, an intruder was arrested twice after trying to break into the LA home of Kennedy and his wife Cheryl Hines, both of whom were inside at the time. With regard to that break-in attempt — where the intruder was arrested, booked, released and then went right back to the Kennedy home to try and break in again — The Hill headlined its story 'Cheryl Hines slams Biden for not providing RFK Jr. security detail.'" ---30--- You think a message is being sent to RFK2? As in, "Dude, you are not going to make it to the finish line."

Thanks for Vince and Jim for all the efforts they have put in, over decades, to advance understanding of the JFKA. I do not agree with Vince and Jim on every detail or emphasis. So what? I might be wrong. The JFKA is foggy due to the obfuscation of the Deep State, not the earnest work of Vince and Jim. So many JFKA researchers have worked, usually without monetary compensation, but just because they believed that people deserve the truth, and truth is necessary for democracy.

The FBI lab detected copper on JFK's shirt and jacket, sites rear-entry wounds. In other words, consistent with a copper-jacketed bullet striking JFK. of the type Landis said he found. We can say, "Oh, well, the FBI lied and Landis is mistaken." But when do we believe FBI lab results and when not? And when do we believe witnesses and when not?

The patent application does not indicate the fearsome weapon was ever actually built. Able to project ice slugs at more than 9,000 fps! I suspect the patent filing was more hope and than observed results. ...

From the cited patent: "A method for formation of slugs in a gun barrel and acceleration of these slugs up to the speed of 3 km/sec and more is suggested." ---30--- Three kilometers per second works out to 9,843 feet per second. But the patent holders think they could fire the ice bullets even at higher speeds. The langauge of the patent suggest the weapon was never actually consteucted. By way of comparison, a high power rifle fires bullets at 2,300 feet per second. The US military has weapons that fire at even higher fps, such as the The 120mm smoothbore main gun on the M-1 Abrams tank fires a depleted-uranium penetrator rod at least 5,700 fps. The Navy's Rail Gun, which employs electric current rather than gunpowder, gets over 8,000 fps with its projectiles. ---30--- The filing of a patent means what? That the purported dart gun shoots at 9,843 fps except when it shoots at even higher speeds? You think there might be fanciful elements to the patent? More from the patent: "Water is supplied into a pipe from a high-pressure pump. The pipe ID is '4", the length of the tube is 2-6" and the pump pressure ranges from 10,000 psi to 60,000 psi. The pipe is separated from the pump by a check and control Valves. A Section of a pipe is cooled by liquid nitrogen or by the refrigerant. The length of the cooled section is 1/6" the 1/2" and its distance from the pipe edge ranges from 5" to 30". An electrode is located at the distance of 0–0.02" from the pipe at the end of the cooling zone. A water droplet connects the electrode with the pipe surface. The electrode is a part of an electrical circle, which start up and shut down the pump. The system operates as following. Initially the pipe is filled with water, the pump is shut down, the valve is closed and the cooling media is supplied to the pipe. The water at the cooled region freezes and the ice slug is formed. The water droplet between the electrode and the pipe is frozen and the pump starts up. The timer controls the time log between the slug formation and the initiation of the pump operation. As the pump starts to operate the pressure in the conduit before the slug increases, the valve opens and the high pressure is exerted on the slug. The slug is separated from the pipe (barrel), expelled from the pipe at a high velocity and impacts the target." ---30--- This is a rather cumbersome weapon to drag around in the bushes at the Grassy Knoll. They had this on the 6th floor of the TSBD? Well, maybe this explains the JFKA. Maybe not. Try reading the patent closely.

GD- You are correct: the original design of the chemical dart-gun was to inflict a very small injury, in fact so small it would not be detected in autopsy. As if, in fact a dart, like the head of sewing pin, had pierced the body. That is a far different injury than JFK received. There are other shortcomings to the dissipating bullet explanation. In the 60 years since the JFKA, the purported chemical dart gun technology has not been revealed or improved, or become a known method or murder. There are no articles or sources regarding the improvement of dissipating bullet-type weapons. If such a weapon has proved itself under such difficult conditions as the JFKA, would not the technology be adapted and improved? Huge questions remain. What type of dissipating bullet could be firm enough to withstand being shot at about 700 feet per second, and then to enter a human body by two inches, and leave a hole just like a bullet hole? With an abrasion collar? And then dissipate? All that said, CV has outlined a possible explanation of the mechanics of the JFKA, and the unusual throat wound. Is the CV explanation the only reasonable explanation, or the Truth? CV insists that it is. At length. If CV's supreme confidence were water, we would all need Noah's Ark after conversations with CV.

By your lights there were perhaps five or six gunman that day. One "ice bullet shooter-man" behind the limo, and the "Black-Dog ice-bullet-man". Then, one or likely two "ordinary" shooters behind the Presidential limo, and one ordinary shooter from the front, who perped the windshield strike from the left front. Another shooter who perped the smoke-and-bang show from the GK, or possibly he was a sixth shooter.

CV- I think your explanation is faintly possible, and earnestly made. I lean towards other explanations, also earnestly made.

Thanks for posting. Those are the best photos of CE 543, and the dent, that I have seen. Yes, it appears two hulls were mixed up.