Benjamin Cole

Many witnesses describe the sequence of shots as first to JFK (timed to when JFK was behind the Stemmons Freeway sign or shortly before, as seen in the Z film), then JBC, then JFK again. Indeed, JBC and his wife describe the sequence this way. As noted by thousands, Ms. Kennedy looks concerned and focused on JFK by Z228. By then, JFK has his balled fists at his throat. It sure looks like JFK has been shot. My own two cents is JFK shot behind just before disappearing behind the Stemmons sign, that is ~Z220, then JBC is hot at ~Z295 and then JFK at Z313. We are on different pages on this one, and so it goes.

AF- Thanks for your comment. Yes, Ms. Kennedy's left hand is mentioned by Landis and Robenalt. Perhaps she dislodged the first slug. My guess (apologies for this horrible graphic description) is the second slug, that hit JFK in the head, sent a shock wave through his body, and that impact and wave dislodged the first slug. Just IMHO.

RFK2 is the likely the only candidate who will open up the JFK Records, of key interest to the EF-JFKA community. The legacy media treatment, and the alt-left online media (often CIA mouthpieces) treatment of RFK 2 has been unrivaled in recent memory. The legacy media has savaged candidates before--remember more "Mush from the Wimp" to describe Carter, or the Russiagate follies, but the treatment of RFK2 may even top those episodes. Looks like a wild ride ahead. RFK2 is not backing down.

Jean/Gary I just did a post that highlights WC 6.5 ammo. FYI.

If what Secret Service agent Paul Landis says is true...how did that happen? How did a Western Cartridge 6.5 slug end up on the top of the rear seat of the Presidential limo on 11/22, in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA? It does not appear, from Landis' account, there was an opportunity to plant such an artifact. Then, there is the aspect that the bullet wound in JFK's back extended into his body by only about two inches, possibly less. Attempts to probe the wound were unsuccessful. OK, if the JFK back wound was that shallow, the slug could have popped out from subsequent pressure or shock waves to JFK's body. I have done the math (relying on industry data), and if the assassin that day used an undercharged Western Cartridge 6.5 bullet, it works out. A slug fired at ~600-700 feet per second (fps) would have minimal drop at 50 yards, and would be underpowered, but would likely penetrate JFK. A WCC 6.5 full load slug leaves the barrel at 2,300 fps. Many handguns fire at around 1000 fps. But, an underpowered WCC 6.5 direct from factory appears unlikely. The record appears to show WC was a very good manufacturer. But...we know private-sector gunshops were re-loading WCC 6.5 ammo in the early 1960s, and we do not know where LHO got his ammo, or even if LHO acquired his ammo from a hobbyist. Re-loading ammo is done by many target shooters, to this day, to save money. Which brings up the mysterious "dented" WCC 6.5 cartridge found in the TSBD, in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA. The bullet's lip (where the slug is inserted into the cartridge) was dented on one of the three WC 6.5 cartridges (aka hulls, shells) found in the sniper's nest. Some have said this means the dented cartridge was useless--it was an empty cartridge, and this suggests LHO (or other party) could have fired only two rounds. See this: https://kenrahn.com/JFK/The_critics/Griffith/Dented_shell.html But...suppose LHO (or other party) was short on ammo. It seems LHO had only four rounds total. Such a hobbyist, or LHO himself, could have hand reloaded a WCC 6.5 cartridge, somewhat crudely crimping the nose. Hence the dented nose. Was it this first hand-loaded and underpowered slug that struck JFK in the back? That would explain the shallow wound. Also, many witnesses described the first of three audible shots as not as loud, and different in pitch, from the following two rapid, very loud audible shots. (BTW I suspect there were also inaudible shots that day). Anyways, there it is. Up for discussion. If what Paul Landis says is true...then how to explain it? PS. A properly loaded WC 6.5 round, fired at 2,300 fps, would have penetrated and passed through JFK's torso, as did the slug that passed through Gov. Connally.

RO-- Yes, and thanks for posting. But the Archivist is an executive branch office and reports to the President. This like absolving Biden (or Trump) for something the CIA does, an agency that also reports to the President. Beyond that, the President and the Vice President each separately have unilateral power and authority to declassify and release any document held by the federal government at any time. Which is as it should be. The WaPo headline misdirects responsibility to the lack of JFK Records disclosure. Yes, yes, I blame Trump. But the experienced Bidenites knew how to create bureaucratic roadkill. The Transparency Board will never release all the JFK Records, but appears to absolve Biden of responsibility. You see, blame for the JFK Records snuff job lies hazily somewhere between the CIA and Transparency Board. Not with Biden!

Well...if so, should not that be the headline? Just change out "CIA" for "Biden, Trump." Thanks to Biden, Trump, we might never know the full truth behind JFK’s assassination Though, it should be noted, the Orwellian Transparency Board, which will evidently do the snuff job on JFK Records either in perpetuity or long past anyone cares anymore, was a creation of the Biden Administration. The Bidenites have 100 times the governance experience than the clueless Trump. They know to create bureaucratic road kill.

Nice article, but it not the CIA that is preventing the release of the JFK Records. The authority to release the JFK Records lies with the President of the US, and curiously enough, also with the Vice President. Indeed, by executive action, the President or the Vice President can release any federal document at any time, by fiat. Oddly, Morley, or WaPo editors, are "buying in" to the concept the CIA has the authority to suppress federal records, through the bogus and Orwellian "Transparency Board." They do not.

I do not accept Trump revived and normalized proto-fascism in America. Indeed, he was a total outsider and naif in DC politics, had zero institutional base in DC. Trump was at odds with the military-intel establishment, and wanted to decrease US forces in South Korea, and possibly drop out of NATO---all this speaks to shrinking imperialism, not expanding. Trump was unaligned with the various corporate-government censorship campaigns in the US, or the recent leftist anti-Semitic bile floating around Donk-toilet activist groups. None of this makes Trump a pleasant individual, or even a good president. It does mean you are barking at a bonsai tree in a redwood forest of anti-democratic forces.

All good. I will state for the record I have never convinced anyone of anything on any aspect of the JFKA.

This questions can hardly be addressed in shorthand, but here goes-- The JFKA, the Watergate episode, the Iran-Contra affair and the bulk of Trump follies appear to be, or morphed into, Deep State efforts to depose democratically elected presidents. Remember, it is Biden who the latest globalist successor to the Presidency, the inheritor to the events of 11/22. Biden has been a favorite son for decades and decades and decades within the globalist commercial, international trade, military and foreign policy communities. Biden also did a snuff job on the JFK Records Act. Why? The Deep State has obviously not deposed Biden, quite the contrary. Biden is the Deep State Puppet-Dictator in Chief. There it stands. I happen to regard JFK and Carter highly as Presidents, and to hold Nixon and Trump in low regard. My sentiments are entirely besides the point, and have little to do with the historical record. That is to say, a bad (but democratically elected) president can be readily deposed, it he crosses the Deep State. And a good president too.

What continuity? None of these modern day entities have anything to do with Nazis. Trump has nothing to do with Nazis, and, if anything, is more pro-Israel than Biden. Trump probably has more flaws than any other dozen men put together, but anti-Semitism is evidently not one of them. Not one former associate has said Trump is anti-Semitic, and he has a lot of embittered former employees and associates. One could draw up links between Biden and the completely repulsive Democratic Socialists of America, and their commentary the massacres of Oct. 9 in Israel were justified. You discredit earnest JFKA researchers.

Seems to me John Newman's work on LHO suggests LHO was a witting asset, which is what Tennent Bagley thought. Would anyone in US intel even know LHO was in Mexico, if LHO, a loner, just crossed the border by bus? This was all pre-internet. My guess is LHO was in MC on instructions and met with Kostikov on instructions.

https://kenrahn.com/JFK/The_critics/Griffith/Dented_shell.html Interesting work on a dent found in one of the three WCC 6.5 cartridges found in the TSBD, post JFKA. A hand-loaded, undercharged bullet? BTW, hand-loading of the WCC 6.5 cartridges "was a thing." Evidently, the copper-jackets were sometime removed and replaced with lead slugs. A gun shop in Dallas was doing that. Maybe LHO (or another party), short on ammo, tried an amateur-hour hand-load. Worth thinking about. Many witnesses say the first shot was different in volume and tone than the following two shots. Interesting. Keep an open mind, and cordial prospects.

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You have the final word CV.

I show good faith, and all earnest commenters deserve respect. We disagree on the possible causes of JFK's 11/22 back wound. With the new revelations of Paul Landis, I suspect an undercharged WCC 6.5 round. You suspect a disintegrating projectile did the trick. So it goes.

https://kenrahn.com/JFK/The_critics/Griffith/Dented_shell.html Here is an interesting read on the "dented" WCC 6.5 cartridge found in the TSBD, post-JFKA. The lip of the hull was dented. The authors suggested that means the shell was empty at the time of the JFKA. But possibly the dented shell had been hand-loaded, and inadvertently under-loaded. If LHO (or other party) had only four rounds total, that may explain re-using a round. Lots of gun enthusiasts re-load shells. And, of course, the WCC 6.5 cartridges were re-loaded by at least one local Dallas gun shop, and fitted with slugs more suited for hunting. Reloading of the WCC 6.5 cartridges is an interesting topic.

CV- It is enough to post your views, and respect those of others. Try to be civil, cordial, collegial.

Gary Murr: OK, here is what I really posed and asked: If Paul Landis, in fact, found a slug, which in appearance looked like CE399, on the rear seat of the limo in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA, how did that happen? We know, in part from the documents you have provided, that a proper WCC 6.5 round left the assassin's muzzle at ~2,300 feet per second, and it was 50-75 yards from from gun barrel until impact on JFK. In short, such a proper WCC 6.5 round would have passed through JFK, akin to the round that passed through Gov. Connally. So what happened (if Landis' recollection is correct)? The only answer that avails itself is that the WCC round was defective (unlikely) or, more likely, "short-loaded" by hand. Perhaps LHO (or other party), lacking much ammo, hand-loaded a leftover cartridge. As LHO (or other party) evidently had only four rounds total, the idea of LHO (or other party) hand-loading a round is not totally farfetched. As I recall, there is even a question about one of the WCC 6.5 cartridges found in the sniper's nest having an odd, or defective "crimp" in its nose, just atop of the cannelure. A short-loaded round? IMHO, a short-loaded WCC 6.5 cartridge may explain the curious injury in JFK's back. My back of the envelope calculations (based on industry literature) is that a short-loaded WW cartridge, one fired ~700 feet per second, would have but minor (insignificant) "drop" at 50 yards, but could still penetrate JFK by an inch or two. Others may have other explanations for the possibly shallow injury in JFK's back. Some contend the slug penetrated JFK's back and exited the throat. So it goes. Some people have divine assistance in these matters, or are divine themselves, and can "divine the answer." I just slog along with facts at hand....

Thanks for posting.

I agree with everything you say. But...in the JFKA research community, we cannot agree on a "short story." For me, it is that Gov Connally was struck at ~Z-295, and JFK at Z-313, and at 18 frames a second...well, do the math. This also lines up with the "bang....bang-bang" so many witnesses heard. Not possible for lone gunsel armed with a single-shot bolt action rifle. Others say that JBC was struck earlier than Z295, and JBC even made a 180-degree turn in his seat to check on JFK even after being shot through the chest. This directly contradicts JBC's testimony, is probably physically impossible...but even CT'ers say this. Then, we have Salandria wing, who say the JFKA mechanics do not matter, it was obviously a Deep State op, and let's roll from that foregone conclusion. Some even start the JFKA story with globalist Allen Dulles, and conclude he masterminded to JFKA. That's their elevator pitch. Still, I agree with you we should welcome people into the JFKA research community, regardless of their partisan or political stances, and welcome a mention by a Matt Taibbi or Tucker Carlson. But...I think the JFKA research community will forever be lost in the deep weeds....

Three KGB agents (including Valery Kostikov) attested, on the record and recorded and filmed, they met the real LHO in Mexico City in September. That seems rock solid. I agree with you, in that I suspect LHO was couriered to MC for the explicit purpose of meeting with Valery Kostikov. This was part of the biography build on LHO-Hidell. It appears LHO was impersonated while in MC. Why did three KBG agents meet with a wayward American tourist on a Saturday? They had been tipped off LHO was a US intel asset. The info was "leaked" to the trio. https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/29782-lho-in-mexico-city-morley-illuminates/page/2/#comments A little after one hour mark. This strongly suggests US intel was running LHO.

Gary Murr has provided remarkable research. But I have to ask: does a lack of documentation regarding WCC 6.5mm rounds being shipped offshore...mean no rounds were shipped offshore? The US military had no weapons that could fire the WCC rounds. A logical deduction is the WCC rounds, ordered by the US military, were manufactured for use offshore. Or, could have William Sucher and The International Firearms Company, Montreal, Quebec, Canada, acted as a cutout, and they shipped some number of rounds to Greece or Guatemala, or other locales? That is, the US wanted plausible denial in providing bullets to a clash somewhere?