Benjamin Cole

The Pugibet datebook is of equal authenticity to the Lafitte datebook. Are not you putting on airs?

From my copy of a selected page of the Pugibet datebook: "Ma conscience me hante. Avant de mourir, je l'avouerai."

I am preparing a gentle and kind review...but Reiner is out of his element. And seems to be buddy-buddy with CIA'ers now, by his own statement. Oliver Stone was advised in depth by DiEugenio. It shows. Reiner seems to have decided to rely on his own instincts and contacts.

There is even another bullet reported by a doctor at Bethesda. The Young bullet is the most convincing. The pointy head bullet sure is a mystery. Fired at JFK? And ended up on the floor in Parkland? How? Many have said part of spycraft is to plant and spread simply unfathomable stories and false leads etc. I am convinced, based on the reactions of Gov. Connally, that a long gunman armed with a single-shot bolt action rifle could not have fired all the shots that day. Then we have the smoke-and-bang show at the GK. Dr. Shaw, Connally's surgeon, thought it likely he was shot through the wrist by a separate missile. So it goes....

That's amazing! The same thing happened to me! I do not own the Puginet datebook, and I have signed an NDA that prevents anyone from authenticating the document. But!---I have been allowed to see key passages in the datebook that confirm its authenticity beyond all doubt. We are in the same boat! Exactly the same boat!

Why the antagonism? Let's coordinate! I have the Pugibet datebook, and you have the Lafitte datebook. The power is squared! We can crosscheck references---and I can assure you, what Pugibet did makes Lafitte look like a small sideshow character, a cameo appearance.

Excellent. That raises the possibility the hand-loading was underdone, and so we get the shallow JFK back wound and the Landis bullet result. A plausible scenario.

Well?

Interesting. I agree, there are Secret Service agents trying to say they found a slug in the Presidential limo on 11/22, and they have been perhaps "covering up" a miscue, or uneasy about brooking the official narrative. My guess is the pointy tip Parkland Hospital slug was un-related to the JFKA.

Only a white supremacist proto-fascist would challenge the authenticity of the Pugibet datebook. I have given you proof: on 11/24, Pugibet wrote in datebook that he had encountered a Dallas sheriff and a "municipalité de Dallas gen" on or near the GK, and that he escaped by showing Secret Service credentials. "gen." is short for "gendarme." The incident of someone flashing Secret Service credential was not known to the public until much later---proof Pugibet was there. How could Pugibet know of the Secret Service credentials on the GK unless he was there? Like a certain other author, I am talking the "take it or leave it" attitude. I know the Pugibet document is real, by the manner in which it was obtained, and later authentication efforts. I would love to show people the document, but I have signed a NDA with filmmakers, for a very high budget production. This will make Stone's film look like a Super-8 home movie. You can believe me, when I say the high-powered film executives went to extremes to authenticate the document.

Ergo, my Pugibet datebook must be treated as possibly authentic. There is no evidence proving it real, but also no evidence proving it a fraud.

I have, in my possession, the Pugibet datebook. I came across it totally incidentally, and through someone who had no idea of my interest in the JFKA. Unfortunately, I have signed NDA with a filmmaker, and this datebook will not be available to be authenticated. Pugibet was behind the wooden fence, armed with CVA Scout v2 pistol, that fires 6.5 WCC rounds. He placed this pistol under his waistband. Pugibet immediately left the ground behind the wooden stockade, then met a Dallas police officer and then a sheriff, but showed them Secret Service ID. Puginet wrote that into his datebook on 11/24, before it was known to the public that such an encounter had taken place. The datebook has an 11/20 entry, "Op +'ed by AD" which means the operation was approved by Allen Dulles.

Well... I apply the innocent until proven guilty standard to all parties in the JFKA, and outside the JFKA too

Well, everyone is wondering that. Robenalt says Landis was disoriented on 11/22. That is believable. Then maybe Landis wanted to avoid responsibility for what he did thereafter. That is plausible. There is still a fly in the ointment. The bullet found in the Parkland Hospital hallway by the gurney, by the hospital employee named Tomlinson, and also handled by OP Wright, a former cop, was said to be a pointy-head slug. That was the slug that supposedly became CE 399. I have come to suspect (after what happened to the Walker bullet) that slugs were just switched out before they got to the FBI. Sad to say, but I suspect evidence tampering was deemed necessary and responsible, under the imperative that LHO be defined as a loner, loser, leftie with no friends or co-conspirators. But who knows?

I regard the Paul Landis story as plausible. If the rear back JFK wound-making bullet never transited JFK's body---that is, the wound was only one or two inches deep, as one of the autopsists said---then the Landis story makes sense. Jim Robenalt says Landis is credible. The dented WCC 6.5 cartridge may be the result of an amateur hand reloading, resulting in an under-powered slug. Interesting.

Chap. 17 ---Did you ponder if the dented bullet was as a result of "hand loading"? A re-used cartridge?

Interesting.

I have been exploring the issue of evidence tampering in other posts here, particularly in connection with the Walker shooting. A sad story indeed.

This is kind of interesting: In 1966, Wesley Liebeler wrote to Klihr, enclosed a copy of the photo, and tried to get Klihr to identify the car because he couldn’t find any evidence the FBI ever spoke with him. Klihr refused to respond and called the FBI. No comment on the car. Klihr also claimed that he never received the enclosed photo. ---TG That is more than interesting. Really? The WC had wrapped up by then. There are times when even the WC seemed mildly incredulous at the evidence they were receiving. Why all the fancy dancing by Klihr and Surry? No one says, "Yeah, that's my car." Surry says he does not know whose car it is. I guess Walker never said so either. So, this car that no one wants to ID just happens to have the license plate ripped out of the photo of it.

LHO had in his possession various photos showing approaches to the Walker home. Speculation: I would want photos if I wanted to clue in a conspirator where to meet me, or various exit routes. This is all pre-internet, smartphones of course. The report of a mushroom-shaped steel-jacketed bullet, found in between bundles of paper on April 10 (when one bundle was lifted up, there was the bullet, no discussion of tunneling) does sound fishy, and suggestive of a staged event. (Though I wonder if Walker, a war veteran, might be better than that at staging an event).

And Benjamin, "the U.S. government" had no reason for ordering this ammunition in the first place.--GM My eyes are the size of saucer plates for all you can tell us. My understanding that the US government ordered the 4 million rounds of WCC 6.5 ammo. Now, an organization as large as the US government can often operate without reason. But what does this mean? I understand the ammo did not work in US military rifles (which by then were NATO compatible). Where did the four million rounds go, after the arsenal?

Again, the worrisome point is federal intel agencies treating evidence are something that can be tampered with. Yes, I have read the stuff on Klihr, and it seems mushy. But Klihr or not, tampering with evidence suggests a predisposition to make evidence fit a prosecution. If the FBI was willing to excise evidence from a photo, how about switching a bullet?

Thanks, links would be great. I am not sure of even what I am looking for (hey, life is like that, no?). But four million WCC 6.5 rounds go the arsenal...and then trail goes cold? Except for Sucher? Seems to me the US government must have had a reason to order the ammo. Maybe that reason evaporated in time. Could simple graft and corruption explain matters? There are stories of US military surplus ending on the private markets, that had been stolen. So, the WCC 6.5 ammo was sitting around the warehouse, no longer needed in Greece or wherever, and someone decided to conduct business off the books.

The key question is, "Did the DPD or FBI engage in evidence tampering?" Marina Oswald said the photo was intact, after it was in FBI hands. Then the image of the license plate was removed. The deduction is, officials did not want anyone to know whose auto was parked at the Walker home. IF LHO was, as I suspect, a low-level intel-state asset, then spying on Waker to gain compromising information is one explanation of why he took the photo, and why officials later cut the image of the plate out. The plate, if traced to reporters and others, might suggest why LHO took the photo. This makes two pieces of evidence from the Walker shooting where reasonable doubt is justified. The first is of course, the steel-jacketed bullet found in the Walker home that night of the Walker shooting, that became the copper-jacketed CE 573 by the time it arrived at the FBI in early December.

Out of curiosity, how did the hole in the Walker backyard photograph get there, if it was not there, when the FBI obtained the photograph?