Mervyn Hagger

I know why he wrote his comment, but it had nothing to do with the events of 1963.

Cory, YOU are the person that made an issue out of my typo and you are doing it again! I believe that the Moderator should address this intentional desire by Cory to cause trouble.

That is a TYPO! I have a relative named EUGENE! This is most absurd. JAMES, I am quite annoyed by your dismissive behavior and by your disregard of everything I have stated, and if anything, YOU should be the one who is being cautioned. I admit to writing "Eugene" when I should have written James. That was a typo, but that is your complaint! Now here is my own complaint: You wrote: "Mervyn: What you are saying above has been discredited. And I mean discredited. ..... A professor studied this and came to the conclusion that, if anything, the Outfit was discouraging Kennedy votes .... As per your Marcello stuff, the whole thing about Dutz Murret and Oswald was negated by the HSCA declassified files." Further down you also wrote: "The idea that Marcello could take out Kennedy without that being a Committee decision is so silly as to be almost risible. And every piece of evidence from Brilab to the Texas tapes has been shown to the faulty. In the first case, it just was not there, and the second case, its clear Marcello was suffering from dementia." The guilt by association use of derogatory words in your dismissive response are quite annoying. I made a typo, which is self-evident by the fact that at least one other person commented, and I did not respond. Why? Because I was not online at that time! If I had been I would have immediately corrected the typo. But your own comments have taken on a totally different meaning, in that one person previously came on this Forum and asked who "this guy is?" - meaning me - because he said, I do not like the Kennedys! What happened? Nothing! I have made it very, very plain that I am on this Forum now because of two people: Gary Murr and Larry Hancock. Gary brought to the attention of my colleague in Norway the fact that the mv Olga Patricia was a CIA vessel linked to Dr. Manuel Artime Buesa. I have that ship's mortgage papers which came from the legal and financial records of Don Pierson to conclude that this is true. Mary Ferrell has several original declassified documents that also prove that this is true. James seems to want his cake and eat it too. He attacks the Warren Report and then attacks me for not falling into line with his version of events. He even cites "a professor" - indicating that my own sources are so unacademic as to be "silly" and relying upon the words of someone who is "demented"! But what does James have to say about the body of research that I have and which I have posted online? Nothing. Nothing at all. I pointed out in a previous post that there are at least 3 versions of the JFKA being posted on this Forum: 1. the Warren Report endorsed at least in part by David Von Pein; 2. the James DiEugenio version; 3. the version I am posting. No one else has been posting the story of the three vessels: Mi Amigo; Galaxy; Olga Patricia (and their name variables), on this Forum. No one. That includes the one posted by James DiEugenio! He may think that he has researched the Mafia link but he is wrong. He cites "a professor" - unnamed. The professor who is part of the team I belong to is named and a lot of our material has appeared in academia. But, and here is the caveat: while our writings about these ships began to appear in print in 1966, and while we inherited financial and legal files in 1985 that I KNOW that James DiEugenio has NOT seen and is therefore totally unqualified to comment upon them, in 2015, the team I belong to had to make a public apology during a scheduled lecture after additional information came to light showing that a foundational work that does go to the heart and core of our own MAFIA claims, came to light and threw down a challenge: Everything we thought we knew about the origin of these ships was FALSE! I do not mean that our inherited 1985 files are false, but that the premise dating back to 1966, was false. Because I do not assert any belief in a "parallel universe" theory, it means that John F. Kennedy was murdered as part of a MAFIA plot. My reason for stating this is not because of some "demented" assertion (as James DiEugenio has asserted), but because two things and the people who owned and used those things could not be in two places at the same time. Ships, like human beings, have "birth certificates" and "graduation documents" showing where they were at any given time. James DiEugenio has NOT entered into any form of dispute with what I have previously written about those ships. But, the MAFIA theme runs throughout the record of those three ships: in New York / New Jersey; in New Orleans / Dallas, and in Chicago / Abilene (Texas) to the Bahamas linked to the Central Intelligence Agency. As part of my own PERSONAL experience in all this, I was in my office in Texas when former CIA Director William Colby walked in to discuss the same episodic timeline walked by Clint Murchison and George De Mohrenshildt. Since 2015 we (our team) have not only reopened our own investigation aided by Gary Murr but prompted by published works of the Institute of Electrical Engineers, but we have also documented in published writings our new findings, and this commentary is ongoing and has not been concluded. That is what we intend to now publish in book format have concluded an initial three volume work in which to set forth our findings. It could have been a two-volume set, but we thought it important to establish our own credentials first, and that conclusion has now been reinforced by the smear by implication set forth by James DiEugenio as a result of having posted a TYPO and then not posting before others drew attention to it. This does not sit well with me at all. It implies that there are 2 versions allowed on this Forum. One is the Warren Report (supported at least in part by David Von Pein), and the version attacking the Warren Report that has been set forth by James DiEugenio and commented upon by others with variations. To make it abundantly clear what I am claiming I will state it here in one sentence: The JFK murder and the subsequent murder of his brother cannot be understood without taking into account the story going from Texas to England about a ship called 'Mi Amigo'. That is the beginning of the account I am setting forth. That story involves a journalist from the British Isles with connections to an employer funded by NY/NJ MAFIA, a link to the Chicago MAFIA with links to the CIA and the Bahamas, and additional links to the same ship that Gary Murr brought to our attention, and which Larry Hancock has documented in one of his books.

You guys are so far away from the 'instant act' that you have lost the plot completely.

" .....Kennedy was getting out of Vietnam was a bombshell of several megaton impact back in 1991." That's funny. Which Kennedy are you referring to? JFK died in 1963.

Eugene, what you are claiming without knowing all of the facts is discredited by the facts in evidence. The ONLY two people on this Forum who have referenced the Olga Patricia in context, are Gary Murr and Larry Hancock. Yes, I have purchased many of Larry's books so I am well aware of where he is coming from, and it was Gary Murr by Larry's own admission who tipped off Larry about the Olga Patricia. You ignore anything to do with the ships I have mentioned and to back to the Bay of Pigs. Sorry, Eugene, it is you that is in for a rude awakening because you have chose to ignore facts in evidence that do not fit in with your views. I am not the least interested in what your professor may say, we have our own and over the years much of our work has been published in academic journals. Now it is time for us to put it into book form. The Mafia in New York, Chicago and New Orleans had the motive, the money and the means. Your crowd surrounding the Kennedys have merely dug a big pit for themselves and they have invited you into it. Besides, JFK spun such a load of crap that contradicted what he was really doing, which means that the first witness on the stand should be videos with soundtracks that nail JFK's legal coffin tightly shut.

The Mafia put JFK in office and the Mafia took him out of office. Very basic story really. But what makes it complicated is the side-bar story involving the CIA and their failure to eliminate Fidel Castro after pretending that the Kennedys would never topple governments, much less go around murdering the leaders of other governments. But they did, and in so doing they trapped their worshipping fans in a cauldron of complicated cover-ups and denials. If you start from where the Kennedys began their charade of governance with smiles and murder, then their dirt gets swept to the surface. So people like David Von Pein make sure that does not happen by becoming part of a cult-worshipping fandom.

Gerry, since I seem to hold a minority position on this Forum, might I suggest that you take a look for some of this information yourself? It exists and it is not hard to find. It would be very refreshing to see another name other than my own to combat the neo-Pein versions of those who disagree with bits and pieces of what he promotes and yet there is no consensus at all as to what the real story is. It's just a lot of yada, yada, yada. But there is a story that is not complicated and it can be found by anyone who cares to look - providing that person has an open mind and is not here to worship the Kennedy cult.

No, the main reporter worked for a Miami daily newspaper and his work was sent out on the wire networks. That's the whole point - AMWORLD was no secret, even though the newspaper did not have the CIA code name for it. Besides which, apart from the nonsense about JFK breaking up the CIA (a story that seems to have been invented in 1966!), the mad Kennedy brothers never quit backing the attacks on Cuba. The murder of JFK took away the expats big financial backing and then LBJ wound it all up because the expats were trying to continue on their own and causing a big problem for international shipping.

The fingerprints that reveal the steps taken from the Special Group to the Special Group (Augmented) were recorded by a secretary named Thomas Parrott. On October 16, 1962, Bobby Kennedy explained to the SGA that he was in contact with an "oil man named Thompson" who was "willing to provide a suitable ship" for the Operation Mongoose Propaganda Balloon Operations. Thompson is Robert F. Thompson, partner with McLendon and Murchison and in charge of a CIA ship called Bon Jour (renamed Magda Maria and to be further renamed Mi Amigo.) The vessel had been used as a cover for broadcasts to Sweden and the Baltic States not covered by Radio Free Europe, in order to spy upon the movements of USSR submarines via sonar listening devices. Note the date: October 16, 1962 - a year before the October 15, 1963 date of the news item relating to another invasion of Cuba. In the end the mv Magda Maria (ex-Bon Jour) crossed the Atlantic and was turned back because it was too small for the job of launching balloons. That is when another CIA ship called Olga Patricia took its place and did launch high altitude balloons using Brownsville, Texas as its port of call. With regards to the statement that the new invasion "would be like Winston Churchill putting it in the paper when the D-day landings would be taking place", you have to thank one good investigative journalist who ran some big 'tell all' features about what was going on at a South Miami university campus. No one was handing out press releases, but it was kind of difficult to explain away the ships that seemed to be being attracted to the activities of supposedly private company operating from that campus, which in fact were part of a front for CIA operations targeting Cuba.

Dr Manuel Artime Buesa was more than an a person making grandiose pronouncements because he was 'front and center stage' when JFK got big pharma to bribe Castro and let the Brigade members from the Bay of Pigs return to Florida. In that crowded stadium Kennedy put his big foot in it when he promised Artime (who was standing next to him in that stadium), that their Brigade flag (that JFK was holding), would fly over a free Havana. Although the SGA had to try to get the hodge-podge groups of expat Cubans off US soil and into Central and South America in order to pretend that the CIA would not launch another attack on Cuba, that was a totally untrue claim, and JFK knew that. Even the weak deception about the CIA base in South Miami was exposed in the Florida press. The trouble for RFK was coordinating these Cubans and getting them to follow one leader, but they had too many cooks who were already spoiling the broth just one month (October) before JFK was bumped off in November, and the crowds were already in the streets of London protesting against KENNEDY! That is why I see the mish-mash of confusion involving the CIA working with the Mafia and the expats, as being the ideal cover for Marcello and Giancana. No one could tell the truth about what was planned by RFK and his SGA. After the fact, LHO became the obvious solution with the David Von P's "magic bullet" fairy tale. Every time a committee has been formed to investigate, someone tips off the chairman to shut it down due to the nightmare they are about to expose. Ditto for all of the presidential candidates. Exposing the cover-up, even at this late date will still destroy NATO. The USA would be proven to be a TERRORIST STATE bumping off governments and their leaders, and not from a week, a month, a year or two years ago, but since the very founding of the CIA, which after all was based upon the terrorist organisation created during WWII by Winston Churchill. This American icon would suddenly be dragged into the dirt as an evil man (even some of Churchill's WWII cabinet thought that.) Churchill was the man who started feeding rubbish to the press in 1920 as a Scottish MP whose message was that "Bad Jews" who were part of the "Illuminati" had killed the royal family of Russia and created the USSR. Churchill was the man who handwrote a note with Stalin that put the countries of Eastern Europe behind the "Iron Curtain". Churchill was a hypocrite, just like the two Kennedy brothers! So Marcello and his pal in Chicago got a free ticket to ride (although Giancana seems to have fallen foul of his buddies, but Marcello died of old age in his sleep.) Seen through the prism of Occam's Razor this is a very simple story and not a complicated "who-dun-it". I personally think that LHO was right, he was set-up, but that was his fault for playing with the wrong crowd.

I am not proposing anything. What I am stating is that there are 3 ways of looking at this issue: 1. Warren, LHO and magic bullet 2. LHO (maybe) plus oilmen, expat Cubans and CIA (all or some) 3. Carlos Marcello - motive, money and means (in conjunction with Sam Giancana.) = there is your one sentence definition! I have been following leads that no one else has followed that brought me to conclusion number 3. My initiation was via Gary Murr and backed by Larry Hancock. That's it! I thought I had better add this: If you ask well what about the 'cover-up', it is so complicated, my answer is that RFK and JFK lied themselves into a pit they could not climb out of. The truth could never be told to the extent that RFK was managing the CIA and the CIA was in bed with the Mafia and expat Cubans! The more the true story was covered-up the worse that the deceit became. Eventually we reached the point of Weapons of Mass Destruction, went to war and found: nothing at all. It all began with those nepotistic Kennedy brothers. The worst of the worst.

Benjamin, your words are so convoluted as to lose any sense of meaning, even though you are trying to be sarcastic. Best advice to you is to write plainly and express what you mean so that it can be understood by all. But don't use the "have you stopped beating your wife?" analogy. It does not work, not even as a joke.

AMWORLD was a project sprung from Bobby Kennedy's SGA based in South Miami. There is no way that these people did not know of the AMWORLD operation. But trying to control them officially while pretending that you have no knowledge of AMWORLD was not an easy thing to do. This hodge-podge were the reason why their military means were kept offshore so that Bobby and his brother Jack could deceive the American People (and the world), by claiming that they would not allow the CIA to launch another 'Bay of Pigs' type of invasion. These two-faced politicians nearly triggered a nuclear World War III.

I just came across this clipping that I put on Facebook several years ago ....

Well, at least you have a sense of humor, but then I have seen pictures of Hitler laughing ....

Has anyone on this Forum ever read Bill Weaver's book? How about: Does anyone even know who Bill Weaver was?

Why is this fairy story about the magic bullet now being rehashed on this thread as well? Occam doesn't get a look-in because your version of events is so complicated. David, your incessant need to keep pushing a mantra which says "nothing to see here, move along, now!" makes me wonder how on earth you dug yourself into such a pit from which you now feel that you can never climb out of, without self-destruction of your own vanity? What is "in it" for you? Tell us how and why you came to build your vast library in support of the official government view of life as it concerns the Kennedy brothers? No one is disputing your collection. It is a good collection. It is your own use of it that makes me wonder why you assembled it. Your middle name isn't Warren, or so it seems. Are you related in some way?

Ron you are obviously standing too close to David Von Pein. A typo! A kingdom for a typo! Yes, Eastland is in west Texas where I knew people like its Mayor. Eastland was not the birthplace of Conrad Hilton. Eastland in the 80s was small, but not as small as Venus. But the Eastland I refer to is the Eastland of the Sixties, prior to the completion of I-20 and its link from Fort Worth to Dallas where Love Field was still the airfield that served the area. There was no DFW. Having broadcast from a station in Eastland in the 80s and lived in the Metroplex and driven that 100 miles to get to the station, I know Eastland. I worked with one of its primary promoters. I can tell you that my knowledge comes from life experiences "on site". In your bio you claim to be southwest of Fort Worth. Do you mean that bustling town of Venus? I once had two mail boxes there in the days when it was used as a film set because it was almost a ghost town. In Venus I received international mail responses to my radio broadcasts that were heard in places like Moscow, USSR and Auckland, New Zealand. I know Venus and Granbury and all of the other connecting towns like Euless within the Metroplex. Your ridicule backfires on you. But I will grant you one thing: you are good at catching typos! Thank you Ron for your proficiency in the area of proof-reading.

Benjamin you do believe in straw, don't you? But I am not the straw man you seek to create. First of all I wrote nothing about having "cracked the JFKA". What I have written is that the overly-complicated story about JFK is not true. It is a misdirected story that joins a partnership with David Von Pein and his magic bullet. Second, what is this "obligation" business? Are you speaking for the Nightmare Socialist States of America? There is no "obligation", but there are many repeated echos of thanks to Gary Murr and Larry Hancock! As for Oliver Stone, he won't like it and neither will Oprah Winfrey because it won't support their narratives. With others we are planning on a three-volume account of our own journey of discovery based upon personal experiences and academic research that will turn what has been a very complicated story of misinformation into an Occam's Razor version of the real story designed on its own to attract a hungry audience. After all, put pop music together with the US and UK Mob; spy stories; and the murder of the Kennedy brothers, and you have the ingredients for a toe-tapping, edge-of-the-seat thriller with an ending that no one else has revealed so far. I am only here to find more Garys and Larrys, and at the moment it looks as if the well is dry.

I have no time for nonsense. You are now on my ignore list.

Tom, I am not here to argue but to learn. However, some of my earliest education about the assassination came unsolicited from Gary Murr and his pointers are supported by Larry Hancock. (By the way, I have purchased several of Larry's books, I put my money behind my claims.) However, a tremendous amount of current postings are sheer drivel. I have used the Wayback Machine to discover what had been posted in earlier times and some of it was very useful. But there has also been a turnover in membership and a lot of the current crowd are time wasters. My current investigation is into Sam Giancana, and his connectivity of interest to Carlos Marcello. The reason for my interest in Giancana is because a) he had a reason to kill both Kennedys (like Marcello), and b) because the pop pirate ship Radio London which was modeled on Gordon McLendon's KLIF, was financially put together in Chicago by Burton Kanter who worked for both the CIA and Mafia. I want to now know how the dots connect to specific people on specific dates. This is not a two-sided mystery - pro-Warren vs. anti-Warren. There is a third dimension that Gary Murr first alerted me via a friend in Norway. But most on this forum know nothing about that third dimension other than what I have revealed in the hope that there are more Garys and Larrys out there, but so far it looks as if the anwer is "No!" Do I expect praise for David Von Pein? Of course not, David is too far into his cult to even know what I am referring to. Others? Let's see. I don't seek praise, just information.

Some are on our own library shelves, and others are to hand via electronic links. The main thing is that we have them, and I so glad that you do as well.