Paul Bacon

Any of the naysayers to alteration ought to watch Horne's interview with Brugioni.  It's not Horne who makes the point, it's Brugioni--he was shocked--just watch him.

I would make a minor correction for Roger.  Zap didn't keep all the "copies" made Friday afternoon, one went to the Secret Service and one to the FBI on Friday night...

I think you're right about the flames!  Was this intended to be a distraction?  Interesting...

Thanks Pat.  Very interesting.  

Apparently, Google thinks it's too gruesome as well.  I was denied access to the photo, 403 error--"forbidden".  Probably just as well :>)

This may be old news to some, but it's a bit of a revelation to me that came, last week, regarding the "fatal" wound.

I've always been of the mind that the shot hit the forehead above the right eye and went straight thru the back of the head.  The problem was that, with the position of JFK's head as seen in the Z film at that moment, I couldn't figure out a trajectory from the South Knoll or the North Knoll that could do it, considering the position of JFK's head at that moment.  I thought, maybe there were frames removed that would have shown a different head position, making a shot like that from the grassy knoll conceivable. 

In spite of the possibility that, that could still be true, I think the better hypothesis, as Dr. Clark suggested at some point, is that the shot made a tangential wound across the back of the head.  As Clark said, the wound in the occipital/parietal, could have been of both entrance and exit. 

Bang, problem solved.  JFK was slumped, head down and turned to the left, exposing the back of the head to the grassy knoll.

I remember some years ago when reading James Files' "story" he said something that struck me.  He said, as he was about to take the shot from behind the fence, a bullet came from the rear and knocked JFK's head forward just a split second before he pulled the trigger.  His shot, he said, was aimed at the center of the head.  Even a blind squirrel gets some nuts...

A tangential shot to the back of the head, from the grassy knoll, can explain a lot of things:  the force of the spray and matter hitting Hargis, debris on the trunk of the limo, debris in the follow up car, bullet slug in the infield, and so on.

As I said, it's a revelation to me.

You're a dog with a bone Matt.  Great work!  This thread has given me a lot to think about...

On 5/19/2024 at 10:50 AM, Keven Hofeling said:

So when I weigh all of the cumulative evidence of the stop and/or significant slowing of the Presidential Limousine -- as well as the evidence of Secret Service Agents fanning out and dispersing from the follow up car -- against the Erwin Schwartz and Dino Brugioni evidence to the contrary from their accounts of the camera-original film given thirty and forty years after the fact, I have to wonder whether they simply forgot those particular details after all of those intervening years. There has to be some kind of explanation along those lines, given that the evidence of a stop or near stop is so significant and compelling.

I agree.  Now, add to that, Dan Rather's repetitive observations in his broadcasts, that the limo never stopped.  What could be going on there.

27 minutes ago, Chris Davidson said:

Besides those.

Look at the top edge of the sign.

The splice comes in at a different height.

 

I see it Chris, thanks.  What a mess this all is!

18 hours ago, Chris Davidson said:

It's as if some splicing has occurred, based on the black cut lines in that area. imo

 

What cut lines are you referring to Chris?  Would you point them out to me?

Interesting that Erwin Shwartz says he saw no limo stop and Rich Dellarossa is adamant that the limo stopped...  Don't know what to make of that.

What am I missing Chris?  The re-enactment frame looks zoomed in.

The Confederate army didn't have F-16's (which, hopefully, will come online soon), or a superpower providing food and ammunition...  Attrition, my *ss!

Great thought Sandy!  Thanks.

17 hours ago, Kevin Balch said:

Mr. SPECTER. Did you observe any bullets strike any portion of the car or ricochet in any way during the course of the shooting? 
Mr. GREER. No, sir; I did not.

And yet, Kellerman, sitting not even two feet from him, describes "a flurry of shells" coming into the limosene.

This thread has left me curious.

IF, the field of view, as measured by Chris B., is 11 degrees AND the specs of Zapruder's lens don't allow for that, it can only mean the existing film was altered in the Hawkeye Works darkroom--zoomed in.

Any ideas about why that may have been done?  Might that have made it easier to manipulate certain frames, or eliminate incriminating evidence outside of the crop?  Or, even, hide the limo stop?

I have no doubt that the Z film was altered.  Like Chris B. I wonder how it was done.

Regarding Kevin Balch's comment about filming at 48 fps, it would seem he's right.  No one of the early viewers mentioned a slow motion film, including Dino Brugioni.  It's wierd though, I got the idea of 48 fps from Doug Horne.

Thanks for giving me another reason to live today Matt.

Chris, do you think that, if the film was shot at 48 fps, that that would have aided in frame removal to produce an authentic looking 16 fps?  You'd have more frames to work with to produce the "new" film...

4 hours ago, Pat Speer said:

The dark area on the back of the head  in the Z-film is apparent on the back of other heads as well, so I suspect it's just a photographic anomaly.

But the other shadows don't have sharp edges.  Back-lit shadows don't have sharp edges.

3 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

I'm sure it will be used for propaganda purposes to just further divide our peoples.

That's the first thought I had.  I suppose it will depend on if the film brings the goods or not.

12 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

In an effort to quell the naysayers, and offer proof of his divinity, Donald Trump ha said that he will blot out the sun on Monday.

Steve Thomas 

Yes, --or the sun will be blotted out on Monday and I, alone, can fix it.

I remember hearing on TV media, discussions about "directed energy" right after the Havana event.  I'm gonna guess very high frequency sound waves ...wonder how dogs are reacting to this story...

Matt, you never fail to lift my optimism for the day!...

18 hours ago, Denis Morissette said:

One of their favourite tools is to tell you to not examine the WC volumes.

And yet, that is where CTers actually found the evidence for conspiracy.

18 hours ago, Douglas Caddy said:

On 3/9/2024 at 7:00 AM, Paul Bacon said:

Exactly!!

After she was freed, Israeli hostage offered a handshake to Hamas (nbcnews.com)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/24/israel-hamas-hostage-released-testimony/?itid=lk_inline_manual_29

"In the video showing her release, Lifshitz turns to shake hands with one of her Hamas captors, also sparking questions about whether she had been coerced. In an interview with Kan News, her son Yizhar said she shook hands with her captor upon her release “because he had kept her alive and she thanked him. That is all. It has nothing to do with the savage murderers who rampaged through the kibbutz. Her rage at them also remains.”

I commend her peace activism and her noble gesture, but she was still a bargaining chip.

2 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

That wasn't an act of kindness. That was an act of of a terrorist protecting his bargaining chip. THE ONE HE HAS KIDNAPPED AND HELD FOR FIVE MONTHS.

Exactly!!