Paul Bacon

Perhaps it wasn't a "decision" but a "no-brainer". I imagine, with all the caos and confusion and the fact that there was an assassination attempt, many people would have realized the same thing at roughly the same time. I do belive, though, that Oswald did have something more to do--at the theatre--and that's why he left.

Using this logic, the fact that he did go back into the building is indicative of (relative) innocence.

Just so you know Greg, your arguments throughout this thread have been completely persuasive--I would think many on this forum, feel as I do. For all of the reasons you have argued in the thread, and the rationale for it, it is most likely that Oswald is PrayerMan. I think Pat and DVP's rebuttals cannot hold water. They are stretching, and, I think, are lacking in common sense.

This, right here, adds to the many reasons why Oswald was not noticed by people on the landing. How hard is it to see into shadow after having been looking at an extremely bright scene? We've all experienced that.

The exit wound was where the Parkland doctors said it was--exactly where the black patch in the Zapruder film is located! If a forhead shot (the one over the right eye) came from the grassy knoll, JFK's head had to have been turned toward the knoll. If it had been, that would have allowed a shot to the forehead to exit out the back and cover Hargis with brain matter. At no point in the Z-film, is Kennedy's head turned toward the grassy knoll. (This assumes Z frames haven't been removed.) JFK's head was turned, more or less, toward the south knoll at the time of the head shots. So what did happen? First, a shot to the low back of JFK's head from behind, moving it forward. Then, immediately, basically overlapping, two shots from the front. The first of these two, came from the south knoll and entered the forehead over the right eye, where we see the fragment trail in one of the x-rays. The second of these two, came from the grassy knoll, where it entered the right side of the head, blew out the occiput, and covered Hargis with brains. It was a tangential wound, as speculated by Parkland Dr. McClelland. I've read that Horne and Mantik think there were three shots to the head. I, separately, came to this conclusion.

And yet he brought it here, to sell. What do you think he thought would happen?

The Muchmore gif is interesting. A lot to see at the moment of bullet impact.

Robin, I'm not so sure the films were taken at "vastly" different heights. In the Nix film, I'm looking down on the limo trunk. I'm also looking down on the knoll steps--it's not until I look at the pedestal Z was standing on, that I can no longer look down on it. In other words, it seems to me Nix's camera lens was about the same height as the pedestal Z was standing on--what's that, maybe 5-8" difference in height? It still looks to me like, in the Nix film, Jackie's body is more flat against the trunk at the moment of the fullest extent of her reach, which is not seen in the Z-film.

When Jackie, in the Nix film, gets to the farthest extent of her reach (to the end of the trunk), her body is almost flat against the trunk. We don't see that in the Z-film. Camara angles are not the issue here. There have been frames removed from the Z-film. The question is, why?

It's really very simple. In the Nix film, Jackie's hand goes over the back of the trunk. In the Z-film, she only gets about 2/3 down the trunk. Ergo, frame removal in the Z-film. I'm not even sure it's worth pointing it out in this thread--denial is afoot...

Joseph, what you've said here is completely true and is something I never noticed before. You are correct and it's very obvious. I certainly don't need any angle measurements or calculations to see the obvious!

Jean, JFK had a very large Adams Apple. When I was a kid, I thought it was weird.

Personally, I would prefer the Black Irish types... There's nothing to see here...

Great analysis Andrej!! I agree with all of what you've pointed out. You (and Sandy) have hit the nail on the head--another useless piece of film at the Six Floor Museum. Well, maybe not completely useless, because it does demonstrate further effort at coverup.

Just seeing this now W... I heard the same thing recently, that NH is now a blue state, but it's hard to tell from the circles in which I travel. I've been seeing Trump signs for months, but since about a week ago, I'm seeing lots of Harris/Walz signs! Could be that Democrats are just not as loudmouthed as Trumplicans. I don't know what Sununu is up to. He went from quite anti-Trump to being a supporter. What could he be thinking? I just don't think people in NH are rabid Trump supporters generally. Maybe he's thinking that, nationally, that would be a better position to take for his future goals. And Kelly Ayotte, who is running in his place for govenor, also endorses Trump. We've got a very good candidate-Joyce Craig, Mayor of Manchester-running against her and I'll be very interested to see what any polling in the next couple of months suggests. I am very hopeful, and I don't think that's misplaced. Short answer, I don't effing know... :>)

Thanks for the polling info you guys! ...very helpful. Now, it's off to my State's primary this morning.

I saw that Matt and it left me feeling depressed. At the time, I thought of you and your calm, reassuring demeanor. I thought "what would Matt Allison say"... ;>)

Jesus, Gil!! Many of us have hated him since the mid to late 70's. He was a moron then and he's even worse now. And, regarding your statement earlier about voting based on policy, I used to think like that until I realized policy can change direction on a dime. Now, my number one criterion for a candidate is character...

It's six am. here, and you've just given me a craving for Fritos corn chips. Thanks a lot...

Analasis of shot trajectories, and, indeed, all our speculations in recent weeks are frought with problems. Example: A shot from the grassy knoll that entered the forehead above the right eye (or slightly above and in front of the right ear) and blew out the back, right side of JFK's head, would, nessessarily, mean his head was facing the grassy knoll. In the "Z-film" it was not. I've gone back and fourth, but, recently, I've been leaning toward a shot from the south knoll. This too has issues. If it were the case, how would Bobby Hargis be so forcefully hit with debris riding on the left side of the car? How would JFK have been slammed back and to the left of the car? Okay, maybe two bullets hit at virtually the same time--one from the south knoll and one from the north knoll. Only one large exit wound?--maybe they both exited the same hole. Maybe the original Z-film, before frame removal, showed Kennedy with his head turned toward the north knoll, making a shot from that location make more sense. What about the three head shot scenario? Remember, most of us speculate there's a bullet entry hole low, in the back of the head, and I think that the movement between Z-312 and Z-313 indicate that as a possibility (as well as Dan Rather's contention). Which of those three potential bullets, hit first? Hit second? Hit third? Was Kennedy's head whipped around like a ballon in heavy wind? My point is that we just don't know and perhaps we'll never know. It's quite frustrating.

Nice Alan. Simple, straight to the point. Thanks.

Brugioni said he was shocked at the size of the explosion, indeed, they all were. They were looking for evidence of how many shots and from which direction, but what they saw at that moment, was a huge explosion from JFK's head. I would certainly be shocked by it, and I'd remember it--seeing a huge white cloud shoot up out of the top of Kennedy's head!? Four feet in the air!? None of which we see in the extant film. I sincerely doubt that, that night, they were getting up close and personal like we do, these days, parsing the number of hairs on his head, which direction he was facing, which bullet hit where, and which one hit first, etc. That would come later--with a real analysis. That was done at Hawkeye Works--and they realized they had a big problem. Notice, too, Brugioni pointing out to Doug that strange, ultra-black paint job on the back of K's head--like he's seeing it for the first time! Bullseye, Dino, strange phenomena indeed!--yes, that was a former hole, out of which Kennedy's brains blasted hard against the motorcycle cops to the left of the back of the limo!

Beautiful job Keven. The bottom line here is, did Dino Brugioni "mis-remember" what he says he saw. He said that he was shocked and everyone gasped at the head shot(s). You don't mis-remember what you've been shocked by. The film was altered.

Well, if he moved right after the first three shots, that would put the 3 shell casings to his left (or even under his body). Obviously he did move, because his dead body is too far below the roof ridge to have been able to shoot over the ridge. I look forward to more information. 🤔 The video is a pain in the a** because it's blurred out exactly where we could be getting more details.

I know. Could it be the wind changed, or he moved his position, or the position of the rifle?