Steve Roe

You said it was rubbish, now quit running away from your buddies.

Bart, quit the parlor games. Both you and LeDoux denied this was never discussed before and I made it all up, huh? You said, now deal with it!

Yep it doesn’t copy over well, but Mr. LeDoux accused me of making up “rubbish” that this was never discussed before as Mr. Kamp also said it never happened. Clearly you can see that it did and ROKC is trying to cover their collective butts. What you can’t see in the FB post, is Pat Hall’s reply to a Greg Parker after they lambasted her. I have that as well. Now as you can see they are mad as hell in damage control mode trying to dig themselves out of yet another boneheaded blunder.

Facebook Well goodie! Ed I was hoping you would deny that it never happened Well look, there's Casey LeDoux and Greg Parker talking about the Beckley House. And Parker makes his comments about the Notebook entry at the bottom of this post. Doesn't look good for you now Ed. You got caught telling another whopper again. Have a nice day! News Feed FRIEND REQUESTS 0 Messages 0 Notifications 0 Search 0 Main Menu 0 Comments Searc June 15, 2019 at 5:15 AM · More options Like Show more reactions Comment Share Like Love 11 View previous comments… Nikki Ann Walters Did you go in? 8 mosLikeReplyMore Tommy Reynolds 4 8 mosLikeReplyMore Tommy Reynolds Currently researching a facet of the JFK case that deals with the CIa safe houses in the Dallas area in 1963. Funny thing is, Lee Harvey Oswald, or someone else, rented a room in this boarding house under the name O.H. Lee. Brian, our mutual friend says he met LHO on three occasions, Nagshead, for Illusionary Warfare Training, Wheeler AF base in Honolulu, at a radar station, and here, at 1026 N. Beckley. "Our friend" says the safe house was a separate building behind the main house, a garage/apartment if you will. He says he scratched his initials into a drain pipe there...... Also of importance are the other places named as safe houses in the Oak Cliff area, the Sportatorium, a house ran by Tammie True....others. 5 8 mosLikeReplyMore Gerald Campeau 1 8 mosLikeReplyMore 5 replies Tommy Reynolds Does anyone have a list of Oswald's possessions from 1026 N Beckley from the FBI or from DPD? 8 mosLikeReplyMore Casey LeDoux replied · 2 replies Johnny Cairns Tommy Reynolds this was me in October at the rooming house. The room is tiny. I did ask if any of his possessions taken from the 1026 address or the Ruth Paine address had any ammunition.. on both counts the answer was no. In my opinion the chain of possession for the ammunition as well as the rifle start on 11/22/63. 4 8 mosLikeReplyMore Kenneth Zediker replied · 2 replies Johnny Cairns Bart Kamp I have heard this.. the most important thing to me about the police arrival at 1026 N beckley on 11/22/63 is that the DPD simply asked did a Lee oswald stay here.. not a Lee Oswald or Alek Hidell. Once it is understood that Oswald supposedly rented the room under the alias O.H. Lee then this is told repeatedly to the press by wade and curry on Friday.. no mention of the Hidell alas.. why? The DPD supposedly had the Hidell alas Friday? In my opinion the police only started linking Oswald with the Hidell alas only once it was learned by them that someone with the name Hidell purchased the alleged murder rifle allegedly found on the sixth floor. 8 mosLikeReplyMore Casey LeDoux replied · 19 replies Tommy Reynolds https://www.spreaker.com/episode/6259189 Ep.68 ~ 1026 N. Beckley spreaker.com 8 mosLikeReplyMore Grayson Ryan Conroy Tommy Reynolds ant we chip in but at real cost value and turn into truths safe house il contribute watch duty part of year with others Marty Eichler? S.r. Dusty Rohde? 8 mosLikeReplyMore Greg R. Parker This is what Gladys kept and sold after allowing the WC to take a copy. Even in allowing them to copy it, she insisted she be allowed to erase some information from it that she claimed was incorrect. From her testimony: Mr. BALL. We will make a picture of this and give it back to you. Mrs. JOHNSON. May I have something to erase this November 13, 15--I got that wrong, anyway. I was looking at the calendar and this, I was thinking it was November 13 that he left he left my place on a Wednesday before this assassination on Friday. Mr. BALL. That was the last time you saw him? Mrs. JOHNSON. Yeah; the last time I saw him was on a Wednesday but my housekeeper seen him on a Friday morning right after this assassination, he came by the house hurriedly. ------------------------- More nonsense. If they noted every time he was "out", there would be notations every weekend, This is NOT noting a temporary absence. It is noting the date the occupant (Herbert Lee) moved out - that is the 13th or 15th of Nov. The dates after that have just been added on later. The house is a museum under false pretenses. 1 8 mosLikeReplyMore Greg R. Parker replied · 119 replies Johnny Cairns Kenneth Zediker 1 8 mosLikeReplyMore Peter Johnsen There is also the notion that the police car out the front of the boarding house was merely beeping the car in front of it to move on. 1026Nth Beckley was VERY close to a major intersection and a set of lights. If there were say three/four cars in front of the police car, that would put it in front of Beckley. It is not inconceivable that a quick beep beep was nothing more than a signal for a slow starting car at the lights to get moving. YES that’s not a sexy explanation. But have we come to a point where we prefer the ‘sexy’ explanation is preferred rather than the mundane that closes off perceived sensational connections. My one caveat on above, is the fact that the sold patrol car having the number 107. 1 8 mosLikeReplyMore Greg R. Parker My website sig, so it's not as if I hide my utter disgust for bullxxxx artists - no matter where they stand on the assassination. "Australians don't mind criminals: It's successful bullxxxx artists we despise." Lachie Hulme ----------------------------- "The Cold War ran on bullxxxx." Me Is that clear enough for you? 8 mosLikeReplyMore Greg R. Parker replied · 3 replies Greg R. Parker Here's a witness for you Steve. Floyd DeGraffenreid. He was a roomer and told the FBI he had seen Oswald no more than 4 or 5 times and only in the TV room. Here is what Earlene said: Mr. BALL. Did he watch television? Mrs. ROBERTS. No---in a way---but all he did ever watch the television was if someone in the other rooms had it on, maybe he would come and stand at the back of the couch---not over 5 minutes and go to his room and shut the door and never say a word. So... he never sat and watched and never stayed over 5 minutes. But here is what Gladys said: Mrs. JOHNSON. No, sir; that man never talked; that was the only peculiarity about him. He would never speak. If we would speak to him and some of the men renters he would speak to the housekeeper and I every time we would speak and we would speak to him just most every time we would meet him and, of course, he would speak after we would speak, but he would come in and watch television maybe 30, 40 minutes at a time and never speak to a man. Mr. BALL. He would watch television sometimes? Mrs. JOHNSON. Yes, sir; watch television, with the other men renters and he wouldn't speak to them, Maybe they would speak to him but he wouldn't speak. So which was it? Not sitting down and staying no more than 5 minutes, or sitting down and watching with others for 30 or 40 minutes? XXXXX just never get their stories straight. The sole reason Floyd was located and interviewed was that he himself had been mistaken for Oswald. Someone reported to the FBI that they had seen Oswald go out for beers with an employee at the Enco gas station across the road. In that circumstance, it is not surprising Floyd wuld remember the "real" Oswald - otherwise he may himself, end up implicated somehow. But Floyd does give one piece of interesting info. The day he went for drinks with the Enco employee, he had raced over to the boarding house, raced in and quickly grabbed one of his own clean shirts for the Enco employee to wear... which Mrs Roberts may have assumed he was putting on on his way out.. Floyd (who don't forget was mistaken for Oswald by one other) was the shirt-changer - not Oswald - and it may have been on a different day. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10673&search=enco_and+floyd#relPageId=80&tab=page showDoc.html maryferrell.org 8 mosLikeReplyMore Martin Shackelford Again, grasping at straws--maybe a different guy, maybe a different day..... 8 mosLikeReplyMore Greg R. Parker replied · 20 replies Greg R. Parker Another bit on the interview with Leon Lee by Russo So... according to Lee (who didn't recall anything about Oswald in Dec 1963) 30 years later recalled how Mrs Roberts had told him "how interesting" it was that another Mr Lee had moved in. Yet None of them -- Roberts, or the Johnson's thought to share this interesting fact with any of the authorities.... yeah right. 1 8 mosLikeReplyMore Casey LeDoux 8 mosLikeReplyMore Martin Shackel... replied · 1 reply Steve Roe Here's more XXXXX to be added to ROKC "Cecil B. DeMille's" cast of thousands epic "Oswald never lived at the Beckley rooming house”. Deputies Harry Weatherford and J.L Oxford, of course Ruth Paine, Sheriff Bill Decker, Alan Sweatt and Clint Lewis. I post evidence, ROKC says it's not evidence. Go figure...... 7 mosLikeReplyMore Greg R. Parker replied · 3 replies Greg R. Parker I love it, Anything Martin can't explain, is pushed aside as inexplicable and therefore unimportant. THe only important thing is keeping the WC /DPD/FBI myths about Oswald alive and well -- even if they make no sense when held up to the light. Prime example: Whaley's passenger gets let out way past the boarding house and is described as a drunk by Whaley. Rather than the common sense approach that the guy was indeed a drunk, and he got let off exactly where he lived, the classic CT approach is to turn this into Oswald using "spycraft" to fool anyone following him. Meanwhile the flip side of your idiotic coin - the Lone Nutters - will claim it is evidence that Oswald was in a panic about anyone seeing where he really lived. The simple truth just gets lost in the propaganda of one side and the fantasies of the other. 7 mosLikeReplyMore Steve Roe Getting hard to follow the discussion here on Oswald at Beckley, inner threads, etc. So here's some evidence that ROKC will never show you. The Beckley Rooming House telephone number in Oswald's notebook. Sit back and enjoy the excuses coming forth on this piece of evidence. Document 1. 7 mosLikeReplyMore Steve Roe Oswald's Notebook entry Play Video 7 mosLikeReplyMore Steve Roe Deeper and deeper...….. 7 mosLikeReplyMore Greg R. Parker I agree. Your delusions are getting deeper. By the same token, credit due. You finally found something of which I was not aware, or if I was, I;d long forgotten. Too bad the writing is not Oswald's. Too neat. Different :9"s and different "H" What we see here, and in the FBI list of books, are examples of what the intel community itself, calls "backstopping" - putting things in official records to support official stories - especially in regard to false places of residence. and employment of agents and assets so their cover is not blown. https://publicintelligence.net/counterintelligence-terms-and-definitions/ The very same methods of course, can also easily be used to help frame someone. Terms and Definitions of Interest for... publicintelligence.net 7 mosLikeReplyMore Write a reply... Reply Greg R. Parker Watching season 2 of the Confession Tapes. Cops using manufactured evidence (including finding a car similar to the suspects and photographing it near the murder season and then claiming it was the suspects car and the photo was taken by a freakin satellite around the time of the murder. There is no low that some cops won't stoop to. But no way that Oswald was framed by the man who provably and knowingly sent innocent men to the electric chair. Saint Fritz! Patron Saint of Evidence Manufacturers everywhere! 7 mosLikeReplyMore Greg R. Parker replied · 4 replies Write a comment... Post Loading... Try Again Cancel Loading... Loading... Loading... Can't connect right now. There was an error processing your request. Like Love Thankful Pride Haha Wow Sad Angry New! React to a Comment Press and hold the Like link to see all reactions. Write PostSend as MessageShare in a Group EditEdit HistoryDeleteHideRemove tagFind Support or Report CommentBanDelete Comment and Remove MemberDelete Comment and Block UserMute MemberUnmute Member

Boy that holster is sure bothering you guys. Maybe you should take that up with the DPD or FBI and quit pestering me and everyone else. I’m sure the FBI has a cough cough high success rate lifting print off rough leather, right? And those 1/4” snap or rivet beveled buttons will yield a usable print, right? But what really bothers you and ROKC is the backyard photos with Oswald wearing a holster. Isn’t that the end-game for this fantasy theory? Bart, listen you guys at ROKC are not going to fool long time researchers on both sides of the argument. Maybe you can hoodwink some Newbies, that could be your audience that will praise you guys. As exhibited here, nobody believes this theory. It’s DOA. Now you guys go back and hunt for keys, ashtrays, yourselves. And one more thought, you darn well know this was discussed before. Does June 8th ring a bell? I presented that Oswald notebook entry to you, LeDoux and Parker. Parker even commented he never saw it before and in the span of 5-10 minutes became a handwriting expert and denounced it as “fakery”. Of course this never shows up in Ed LeDoux’s essay......I wonder why?

ROKC Greg Parker, is he a member here?

Well that’s her own recollections. According to ROKC, she’s not telling the truth. Let me take this moment, since you bring up Pat Hall, this debate/conversation was already been hashed out months ago with ROKC Parker, Kamp and LeDoux on social media. All of it got erased (or did it ;)). Pat Hall was in the middle of this after ROKC called her a xxxx and her family a bunch of money grabbing opportunists. Parker, Kamp and LeDoux will never tell you about this on their endless parlour games.

A long post, so let’s cut to the bottom line here. Did Oswald live at 1026 North Beckley or not? A simple question to you.

Well it’s time to call this theory DEBUNKED. When Ed LeDoux starts quoting Walt Brown’s timeline stating Oswald went to Beckley, there’s no reason to discuss this forward. Time to move on to more meaningful discussions.

Quite a story you got going there Ed. Now it's the Cops intentionally putting Oswald's residence at 1026 North Beckley so they can frame him with an empty holster that they already knew was there? Oh yeah, that's real believable. As I have stated before about this Rube Goldberg theory, it take bizarre answers to support it. So far you have demonstrated that perfectly. And of course all those letters, birth certificate, Russian literature recovered at Beckley were just planted I guess. Huh?

Neely Street too? Really Ed?

That's about as clear as you can get. Good luck Andrej in trying to get Mr. LeDoux to answer it.

Rob, until ROKC can address those questions put forward by Hosty’s notes stating Oswald lived there at Beckley and the letters, birth certificate, Russian Flash Cards and others listed in the last post, there’s no need to carry on with the subject at hand. Seriously.....

Rob, I believe that Mexican Ashtray account came from Hugh Aynesworth, who was not there during the search. He arrived later. The ashtray most likely belonged to the Johnson's rooming house and the cops may have used it while searching the room. It's not anywhere in the list of items recovered during the Beckley search. But what was recovered were Oswald's letters, birth certificate etc. See list. Regarding the Gray Jacket, Earlene Roberts testified Oswald was wearing it as he left the rooming house. It was cool and windy that day, so that would be reasonable that he did grab a jacket. However he is arrested at the Texas Theater with no jacket. So where did it go? That's a partial answer to your list.

Ed LeDoux, so everyone can understand your proposed theory, why are all these people insisting, something innocuous as Oswald living at 1026 North Beckley? Is there a sinister motive to all of this?

Well now the story/theory gets more bizarre. Instead of just accepting the simple answer that Oswald lived at the Beckley Rooming house, now he's where?? Irving? Don't think so Mr. LeDoux. I've talked to one of the Robert's boys (next door neighbor to Ruth Paine). He was one of the Irving neighborhood kids that Oswald played with on his Irving visits.. He never saw Oswald during the weekdays, only on the weekends, tossing the football around with his brother and him. To even entertain that idea that Oswald lived in the Paine home all this time is just not credible. So now the story shifts around again with Ruth Paine getting the telephone number to the Beckley Rooming house and passing it on to Oswald? Really? And now the explanation is "Roe can't even recognize a simple phone book". Well first of all, how did Ruth Paine know there was a room for rent at 1026 North Beckley? Wasn't in the newspapers. It wasn't on the sign out front? Are you now suggesting Ruth Paine did a drive by in her Station Wagon and "wrote down the phone number"? Why not simply give Oswald the address? Regular phone books list the name, then the address. Somehow Ruth Paine magically looked up Arthur Johnson, how did she know that? Coles and Polk's were not distributed on the front porches of Dallas residents. I know I lived there in 1963. Both Marina and Paine testified they had no idea where he lived. This theory does not accept that. They are not telling the truth right Mr. LeDoux? And why lie about it? Makes zero sense. So far let's assemble the cast of Truth Benders to support this theory: 1. AC Johnson 2. Gladys Johnson 3. Earlene Roberts 4. Marina Oswald 5. Ruth Paine 6. Herbert Leon Lee 7. Assistant DA Bill Alexander 8. JP David Johnston 9. Fay Turner 10. Henry Moore 11. Walter Potts 12. Will Fritz

Well ok......

So where did Oswald get that Beckley Rooming House telephone number in his notebook? Well I checked the Dallas Morning News Classifieds all the way back to 1950 to view the ads that the Johnson's listed. There were 12 in total, and none of them had a phone number on them. For proof here are 2 ads from $4 in 1950 to $7 in 1963. So it appears that Oswald did get the phone number, because he lived there. The Johnsons and Earlene Roberts were telling the truth. There was no mix-up between Herbert Leon Lee and Oswald as put forth in this theory.

Quote edited for emphasis. Profound and well stated.

Military Intelligence tipped off the Beckley rooming house? That’s a very bold claim, surely you can back that up with evidence so everyone can see for themselves.

David, I guess you are with ROKC on this because you do not believe the Johnson and Earlene are telling the truth, is that right? Also you find no credibility that with that you have the exact rooming house telephone number in Oswald’s notebook? And those articles found in the Beckley search are not Oswald’s?

Quote above edited (shortened) for emphasis. Bart, here's what Ed LeDoux left out of his essay. WH3-8993 Now Mr. LeDoux, what's Oswald doing with the Beckley Rooming House Telephone Number in his Notebook? CE402 (Ruth Paine's address book)

Now back to the subject of "Oswald NOT living at the Beckley Rooming house". In my opinion this theory is just not believable. I think you would even have a difficult time convincing long time conspiracy advocates of that. First of all, let's look at the logic of this argument. Why lie about Oswald living at the Beckley House? Are we so naïve to believe that the Johnson's, Earlene Roberts and even Pat Hall could not identify Oswald from Herbert Leon Lee? Or were they in a conspiracy with LEO's to Frame Oswald? That's just not believable. Second, do you really expect us to believe the Search Warrant performed at Beckley that recovered Oswald's possessions, were not Oswald's? Were they Herbert Leon Lee's? If so, when did Herbert Leon Lee purchase Russian Flash cards, and a bar of soap from Mexico? A search was performed of Beckley, and yes it did not list Oswald's name specifically. Is that sinister? I highly doubt it. The search warrant was requested by Sheriff Decker and of course JP David Johnston personally delivered it to Beckley himself and witnessed the search. The brown leather holster seems to be a hot issue with you guys. It was most certainly recovered and with a Justice of the Peace witnessing. Now, in this interview by Eddie Barker (Channel 4) with Gladys Johnson later that afternoon or evening.....is she lying? Mistaken? I'll pause there.

Bart, what ever disagreement you had with a Brian Doyle is your business. You're trying to compare me to him.....sorry I don't even know Brian Doyle.

Sorry Bart, I'll answer and/or comment in any fashion I choose to do. Apparently there seems to be little if NO support for this theory of Oswald not living in the Beckley Rooming House. And for obvious reasons. But if other Education Forum members think this is credible, would love to hear from them. On the PrayerMan site, here is a copy of Hosty's notes where Bart contends Oswald told the absolute truth about being out front. But some reason, the paragraph above states that Oswald lived at 1026 N. Beckley. So is this a double standard being applied? Well excuse me, but I'm not making the claim that Oswald never lived at Beckley. Please stay on the subject of Oswald living at Beckley, that's what the topic is about. If you want to debate that, start another thread. The below copied image is credited to the Prayer Man site (Hosty's first interrogation notes).