Steve Roe

Mr. DiEugenio, I would ask you to kindly refrain from personal insults that Tracy Parnell and I (members of this forum) are not "normal thinking people". If I have to abide by the rules of this forum, don't you think you should as well? Now, back to your #5 point on "Gerdes seeing Oswald". Lester Otillio, Garrison investigator interviewed Gerdes and it specifically states that he never saw Oswald in Banister's office. If you want to ignore this primary document memo to Jim Garrison, then go right ahead. For those that want to see it, just click this link. Did Vernon Gerdes See Oswald with Ferrie and Banister? (onthetrailofdelusion.com) Now Mr. DiEugenio, if you want to comment on this "Otillio to Garrison document", feel free to respond. This is a debate forum and you can choose to or not. Perhaps you never have seen it, and that's OK. Now that you have, then it's your decision to debate it.

Regarding your Point #5.......really??? Did Vernon Gerdes See Oswald with Ferrie and Banister? (onthetrailofdelusion.com)

Of course that's your speculation, that Clay Shaw and Clay Bertrand were one in the same. It's complete nonsense. Clay Shaw had absolutely nothing to do with the assassination. The name "Clay/Clem Bertrand" came out in the Warren Commission. So, answer this please.....if Clay Shaw was a sinister conspirator in killing the President, why was he running around New Orleans using the same "Clay Bertrand" alias YEARS after the Warren Commission Report???? Like the extremely dubious Eastern Airlines VIP lounge incident?

I've read it....and you're right. Of course, the big question....maybe Mr. DiEugenio, the Garrison expert, can answer this. What in the Sam Hill was Clay Shaw's role in getting the President assassinated? What did he actually do?

Yes, and I don't recall any vindictive, bitter, grave-dancing comments on the recent deaths of Vincent Salandria and Gerald McKnight, two long time Conspiracy Advocates. As I stated earlier, there are those on the Conspiracy side who DO have self decency and morals not to publicly make bitter comments upon someone's death out of respect and courtesy to the grieving family members and friends. Sadly, as you stated Tracy, it's now public record.

You mean the Fred Litwin who is debunking your Garrison nonsense? You might want to read his blog, of course after you finish your despicable "Grave Dancing" rants.

There are conspiracy believers that I know, who have lot more class than this tasteless display of bitterness. Congratulations, you hit another all time low.

Excellent piece Tracy, well laid out in detail.

Very well stated Greg. Ruth Paine has been dragged through the cesspool of false innuendos and outright lies for too long. I appreciate your efforts to set the record straight.

AFFIDAVIT OF MRS. ESTELLE TWIFORD The following affidavit was executed by Mrs. Estelle Twiford on July 2, 1964. PRESIDENT'S COMMISSION ON THE ASSASSINATION OF AFFIDAVIT PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY STATE OF TEXAS , County of Harris , ss: I, Mrs. Estelle Twiford, 7018 Schley Street , Houston , Texas , being duly sworn say: 1. I am the wife of Horace Elroy Twiford. 2. In late September of 1963, Lee Harvey Oswald telephoned my house and asked to speak to my husband. I told him that my husband was at sea. Oswald inquired as to how my husband had his address. He also said that he had hoped to discuss ideas with my husband for a few hours before he flew down to *******Mexico********** . He said he only had a few hours. I assume he was calling from 179 Page 180 the Houston area since he did not, to my knowledge, place a long distance call. However, he did not specifically say that he was in Houston . I have no information concerning his whereabouts when this call was placed. I told him if he desired to correspond with my husband, he could direct a letter to 7018 Schley Street , Houston , Texas , and I would see that my husband received it. 3. I cannot recall the date of the call, but I think it occurred during the week prior to the weekend my husband flew home to visit me from New Orleans where his ship was docked. I recall, my husband had shipped out the weekend prior to the call. 4. I cannot recall the exact time he called, but I think that it was in the evening, sometime between 7:00 and 10:00 o'clock. I was not working during this period. 5. I wrote down on a slip of paper that Oswald had called and that he mentioned he was a member of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee. I did this in order to remember to tell my husband about the call. I told my husband about the call on the weekend he visited me. I have initialed and released note made of telephone call. (To Secret Service.) 6. Oswald did not state what he was going to *********Mexico******** for, nor did he state how long he would be there. 7. Other than the above mentioned telephone call, I have never had any contact with Lee Harvey Oswald. 8. I am not a member of the Socialist Labor Party. Signed this 2d day of July 1964. (S) Mrs. Estelle Twiford, Mrs. ESTELLE TWIFORD.

Mr. DiEugenio, respectfully I'm not here to simply "amplify" Mr. Doudna's comments. I happen to agree with him, as he thoughtfully researched this topic, and I am of the same opinion regarding the misinterpretation and character assassination of Ruth Paine. Now regarding your link to the "Melbourne" article which raises the question about the Oswald letter to the Soviet Embassy about how Oswald had foreknowledge that Cuban Consulate Azcue was going to be replaced soon by a successor. Alfredo Mirabal Diaz (who succeeded Azcue) was in the Mexico City Cuban Consulate at the time of Oswald's visit. Diaz witnessed the verbal confrontations between Azcue and Oswald. I suggest you read the HSCA Diaz testimony. showDoc.html (maryferrell.org)

Mr. DiEugenio, I could care less if you find me "Not Credible". What's not credible is your diversion away from Mr. Doudna's points regarding Ruth Paine. He's asking for source material cited in your book, Destiny Betrayed, regarding the Probe article. Evidently you will not provide it, or you missed his point. I agree with Mr. Doudna's assertions that Ruth Paine has been unfairly victimized by reckless researchers and various book authors over the years.

Well stated Greg, thanks

Cory, I agree. I do have evidence of GHWB in Tyler at the Kiwanis luncheon (held every Friday) in the Blackstone Hotel (downtown Tyler). Mr. Niederhut has made up his mind, or convinced himself it was GHWB standing in front of the TSBD. There are obvious doubts to this, of course. GHWB declared his candidacy for Texas Republican Senate back in September 1963. Tyler was just one of his campaign stops at luncheons, civic groups, etc. He had stayed in Dallas at the Sheraton, giving a speech at the API the night before. He then travelled onto Tyler, about 100 miles away to attend the Kiwanis Club meeting. The photo of the "Bush look-alike" standing in front of the TSBD was taken by Willie Allen, who worked for the Dallas Times Herald. The photo was taken sometime before 1:15, as you can see DPD patrolman Maurice "Nick" McDonald standing there as well. The front entrance was sealed off of course, but somehow according to Mr. Niederhut, George Bush managed to get past the cops and stand there. Really? And for what reason? I could go on, but as you say, it's not worth the time and effort to argue the ridiculous. I do have a photo of Bush, in Tyler, speaking at the Kiwanis club. I obtained it from the Bush Presidential Library in College Station. I will not share it here.

I saw the "arguments" and photos. Seen them a hundred times before. That's not GHWB. It is only "your interpretation" and others that it is GHWB, based on a couple of photos. One of them doesn't even look like him. I haven't ignored it, and it's not him. Period.

Why post evidence? Seems you guys got it all figured out that GHWB was there. Nothing is going to change your mind anyway.

That is not GHWB. Period! This is old debunked nonsense. Bush said he was in Tyler and there's proof that he was. If you want to believe it was, then fine. Weak-minded people, huh?

No it's not Landsdale in Dealey Plaza. I believe Rob Clark covered that very well in his podcast. Prouty (aka Mr. X) was debunked. Time to move on.....

Ok, thanks ST.

ST, wasn’t Rob Clark a guest host interviewing Fred Litwin? I know it’s on the Lone Gunman podcast, but can you explain to everyone here why you pulled it off your MWN podcast roster?

Thank you, yes it was Rob Clark.

Greg, I find your research into the Andrews/Betrand/Sehrt matter very interesting. There's some good logic there, and it's certainly worth taking a look into further. May I contact you via private message on this forum to discuss further? Thanks.

ST, didn’t YOU interview Fred Litwin on your podcast? What happened? I don’t see it anymore. I see Jim Fetzer and others. Technical difficulties? https://midnightwriternews.com/mwn-show-archives/

Yes, you are correct. He took this project on fully self-funded and self published. That’s important to note because the old 70’s Garrison supporters will undoubtedly try to launch another conspiracy.